Who doesn't think it's BM or the Cooked Man...?
Personally, I think that the killer being either Bloody Mary or the Crooked Man would just be too obvious. Also, why would they reveal the murderer in the third episode...? They wouldn't. I think that Telltale want you to think that the Crooked Man is the killer but actually it is somebody who was introduced in the earlier episodes like Beauty cough cough
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Well, it's not Beauty, unless she ends up completely getting away with it. She's in the comic book, which takes place after TWAU.
Me neither. They obviously are involved, but it's too obvious.
I think the killer will still be someone we won't expect still.
Cooked Man, cough cough.
The Crooked Man is the most obvious answer of them all, though. For a second I thought it was the piggeh but that's retarded. I honestly have no evidence for my answers except for Beauty but I just think Mary and Crooked are too easy.
I find id rather hard to believe that a "cooked man" could pull of such elaborate murders, however I haven't been cooked so I am not really a credible source.
I agree with that.
I don't think the killer is anyone who's been introduced so far. But I do think there are a few characters who aren't telling everything they know. (Georgie, Bluebeard, Nerissa, Dum and Dee) The Crooked Man is definitely tied to what's going on, though I don't think he's the one actually committing the murders.
It can't be Beauty, Beast, Bluebeard, Jack, or Snow, since they all show up later in the comics, or somehow they managed to go free. Can't be Crane, Bloody Mary said he's no killer, and I doubt he has the balls to do something like that anyways.
In Nerissa's case she can't physically tell us.... I wonder couldn't she just write down what she knows? or maybe the spell doesn't allow that either.
Anyways ya I don't think the killer is introduced yet. Bloody Mary and the Crooked man are to obvious so I really don't think its them. I still think the Red/Orange haired man has something to do with it. he's always following bigby and you can even see in EP.3 that he is driving the taxi.
Hmmm, you never know. Maybe in a future episode the spell will be broken. I get the vibe that she definitely knows something about what's going on, and wants to tell, but can't because of the ribbon. It's probably related to the Crooked Man, seeing as Georgie has ties with him. I figure that when we're finally told what the whole business with the Crooked Man is all about, things will start coming together.
I'm iffy on the red-haired guy. On one hand I think he might just be a model placeholder, but the fact that he shows up in Toad's apartment building is very suspicious, especially considering that we've seen him in every episode thus far. Very strange.
I am with you. I think that the Crooked Man is being targeted by the real killer.
They are killing off his business both the actual girls, but also the Pudding and Pie and Open Arms. The Crooked Man has BM, and the Tweedles on his payroll - so we are looking for someone opposing him.
Could be Bluebeard I suppose, but that feels pretty obvious too, since his back story has in decapitating his wives without remorse.
But what about the dwarves? All we know of them is that they are supposed to be connected with Snow White somehow, and yet all we get is "The less said about them the better." from Ep 1. In the same picture, there is also Badger in the picture; but he doesn't really seem to fit like the picture of the sinister dwarves.
The Headless horseman is a possibility, but it seems a stretch - he would only be after Crane - and there is no good tie-in to Faith.
The red-haired guy is interesting. It does look like the same guy driving the Crooked Man and the Taxi. He was in line for the Business Office, when Bigby goes in to discuss Faith's head. Could he be Peter the Pumpkin eater - in some of the darker variations it was not mentioned that his wife survived being in the pumpkin shell?
Yeah the * Cooked * Man is a pretty good one
I agree, it would be too simple a solution. Both Faith and Lilly were working for the Crooked Man (as Georgie is) and probably owed him money so he would need a damn good reason to kill them both. Obviously one can think of a motive that would push the CM to murder them (like the compromising photo Faith supposedly stole and perhaps wanted to use in order to blackmail Crane). But then it seems inexplicable why he would try to frame Crane as it was clearly the case with the Lilly's murder? Crane owes him even more money and moreover, if the CM wanted to make make a scapegoat of Crane why would he even bother to steal him from Bigby and Snow? This does not add up, at least in my opinion.
i think it might be "the butcher"
To be honest, I'm starting to have thoughts about Snow. Mainly because I don't think she has a strong alibi and is beginning to show a "darker" side in EP 3 (EP 1 Snow would never burn down that tree, especially if that was the only way a fable could get by in life) I mean think about it, where was she on the night she supposedly died? With Toad? You're telling me she went to investigate a problem on her own without any help or supervision? Yeah right.
Plus she was the first to discover Faith's body and if I believe that tarot card he kept means backstabbing or betrayal (thats how I interpret it) then perhaps he gets betrayed by somebody close to him, like Snow.
I'm thinking of potentially Bluebeard or Prince Charming (if he somehow gets introduced). It just seems that whoever is the perpetrator wants to overthrow the current leaders of the take fable community and take charge him/herself. Bluebeard has hinted on it as well as Bloody Mary.
COMIC BOOK SPOILERS
In the comics there comes a time where Prince Charming wants to become the new mayor of Fabletown and he actually ends up killing Bluebeard so he can takeover his wealth and use it to gain control of the community, so he might be the one behind what's happening. It might also be the Adversary working through Bloody Mary and the Crooked Guy to take over the Fable Community as well and then extend his dominion to earth.
I think it's a bit to late to introduce a vital character to the plot, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Hmmm. Yeah its obvious. But don't forget we're 60% into the series.
I asked myself whether it could have been the husband of Faith, prince jobless. Finding out what his beloved wife was doing to earn money would make a motiv. And why else should this guy suddenly appear at the trolls furneral?
Or perhaps it has got something to do with the ribbons all the fancy women have to wear arround their necks, so that their "lips are sealed." Perhaps you loose your head if you try to break the silence or to remove the ribbon hereunto without permission.
Ok, this will probably sound a bit far fetched but, it might be Dr. Swineheart? I know, I know, but since we never got to see Faith's head since Episode 1 and the ribbon or the ring having any use since then either, (except for when we find Lilly's body, Snow asks if she also has a ribbon) I'd expect he would want to cover at least some of his tracks without raising suspicion. You can also see in the photo found in Lilly's personal effects at Holly's place, she had a ribbon around her neck. Now, I'm not sure where her ribbon is, but I'm guessing at the bottom of the lake where she was found. Maybe they also found a ribbon but Swineheart threw it away or something. This is just a theory and I'm pretty sure I'm dead wrong but... you can never be too careful, right?
I think Telltale is going to pull this MAJOR plot twist in the last episode, making all our theories about the killer go poof. I don't think it's Bloody Bitch or Crooky. It would be way too obvious. I thought so, once, but now... Meh. Not so much.
Go, plot twist!
Aaaaah.
Your avatar reminds me of this girl from this anime horror show, Corpse Party! I can't!
Probably nobody knows what the fuck i am talking about, but, hey.
;-;
Right in the feels.
I've heard of the anime horror game called Corpse Party, if that's what you're referring to. I watched a LP of it around a year and a half ago, the plot was very intriguing. I liked it, though it got pretty gruesome at certain points in the game. I've been planning on re-watching it for a while now, since I've forgotten most of the story.
My avatar does kinda look like Seiko, with the hair swirls and all.
The Crooked Man (TCM) has been introduced as a leader in the criminal underground. That means the actual killings were not done by him personally, but they still could have been done at his behest to further a yet-unknown agenda. The fact of the matter is that both Faith and Holly worked for Georgie, and Georgie clearly runs the Pie operation for the benefit of TCM. My guess is that Faith discovered something about one of TCM's schemes. We know she stole something-- that's why the Tweedles were looking for her, and that's why Dum was ransacking Woody's apartment-- to try and find it, since she'd been there. Faith was covering for Holly when she went to go see Woody, so after Faith was killed and didn't have whatever was stolen on her, they might have assumed that Holly had it and then killed her, framing Crane in the process to cover their tracks and keep suspicion off TCM. The actual murders were probably done by Bloody Mary, using Woody's axe to chop off the heads. The axe hasn't been in his possession since his initial fight with Bigby, and we know as of the end of Episode 3 that Bloody Mary has it.
Oh, no, there's an anime, too! Trust me, the anime is WAY creepier. It's a show. But remember some of those horrible scenes from the game? They are ten times worse in the anime. The kids that got killed and shit... It shows you how he got stabbed in the eye and it shows you how he got his head cut off with scissors and how their tongues got cut out and how... How Mayu got squelched. Poor Mayu. But mostly, poor Morishige. The bastard went insane
But your character reminds me of Seiko
Really? There's an anime now? Wow, I didn't know about that. I knew about the manga and that other game, Book of Shadows or whatever it is, but I hadn't heard about any anime. And yikes, I bet it's brutal.
Aw man, I loved Morishige and Mayu, (I kinda shipped them around the first time I watched the game, actually) their endings were too tragic, especially Mayu's.
Sorry to repeat myself, but I think there is one hole in this theory. If the Crooked Man was behind murders, why would he try to frame Crane? Crane owes him a great sum of money and in this way TCM cannot get it back. In fact it is even worse because Crane could expose some of the criminal dealings of TCM in order to save his own skin. Moreover, if TCM wanted the murders to be blamed on Crane why would he even try to steal him from Bigby's custody? He should be perfectly happy about Crane being captured by Bigby and Snow. By the way, Faith stole a compromising photo of Crane, that's probably the thing Tweedles were looking for. I guess that it was the same photo that was found next to Lily's body.
I KNOW.
I shipped them so hard, and then there goes Mayu, and Shig-bro goes cray, and UGH.
MY FEELS.
And, yeah, the show's called Corpse Party: Tortured Souls. I love it. I would show you a bit of it, but, you know why i can't. I think i can get banned for posting that kinda shit here.
Nope, why does he marry her then? Snow "darker" side was actually the pressure of things happening she actually wanted to end everything as fast as possible, she also considered herself guilty for Lily's death. How can she not be harsh when a dude was glamouring a prostitute as her and banging her everything using stolen Fabletown money.
I think that the killer is someone who isn't n comics because we propably get to kill him/her in episode 5. Also Bloody mary said "I don't think that crane did it" so it kinda hints to Bloody mary being an innocent.
You make some good points, and obviously my answers are going to be speculation at this point because we don't know what exactly was stolen from him or what his motivations are.
That being said, i don't think TCM's motivations are saving his own skin. He's well protected and clearly doesn't fear reprisal from the Fabletown administration. He clearly had Crane in his pocket, but perhaps Crane reached a point where he wouldn't cooperate any more and therefore outlived his usefulness? Money is the be-all-end-all motivation for someone like, say, Georgie... but someone in TCM's position is more considered with power and money is just a means to an end. So if Crane needed to be dealt with, framing him would be a good way to go. But TCM probably didn't count on Bigby being as dogged (pun intended) in his investigation and discovering as much as he did, so more direct measures were necessary-- hence his abduction. That would also go toward explaining why Crane felt there was some kind of "scheme" being played against him and was trying to get details with that useless ring... he knows he's being set up for a fall.
You are right, what was stolen was mentioned to be a photograph. But I don't think it was ever said what the photograph was of. It may be a photograph of something else entirely. These sort of noir detective stories tend to lead the reader/viewer/player into making assumptions by providing enough details so that you fall into a "trap," only to later reveal that you assumed too much. Even if it is a photo of Crane, we don't know for a fact what was compromising about it... we assume it is compromising because it involves a prostitute, but it could be compromising because of something else in the photo totally unrelated to Crane himself.
I agree that Crane is being framed and that's why he went straight to Pudding n' Pie after he got the ring. And you might be right that money is not the primary motivation for TCM. With that being said, I still remain unconvinced about TCM (whatever power game he is playing) being the one who tried to frame Crane. I cannot provide any conclusive evidence, but for the sake of argument let's assume that Crane really outlived his usefulness for TCM. In this case the simplest and the most effective way of dealing with him would be to kill him (not necessarily sth which looks like a murder, but rather like an unfortunate accident). Bigby's investigation would stop then, there would be no further leads, no loose ends, nothing to connect the killings of the prostitutes with the death of Crane and both of them with TCM. Trying to frame him seems like taking a very unnecessary risk, something which someone supposedly as intelligent and ambitious as TCM would like to avoid. And if he decided to abduct Crane from Bigby and Snow that means that either Crane still has some usefulness for him or he knows something which potentially might be dangerous for TCM and his plans. If the latter is true that gives us an even better reason to silence him as quickly as possible. Please note that the Tweedles showed up at Lily's funeral right after (literally) Bigby discovered the supposed involvement of Crane in the murders of the prostitutes and they warned Bigby against going after Crane. They are known to be working for TCM, so why would he change his mind about Crane's fate so quickly? On the night before he ordered to kill Lily and wanted it to be blamed on Crane, but 24 hours later he decided otherwise? Sure, it's not impossible, yet seems rather improbable. Also Bloody Mary reveals to Snow that Crane is no killer, a strange act for someone who is supposedly trying to set Crane up. As I said, it's not a conclusive evidence, but in my opinion it suggests that something is not right here.
And regarding the photo, you are obviously right that we cannot know for sure. I'm only speculating that it was a photo of Crane indulging in his Snow White fetish-fantasy. Right now it seems to me like the best guess, but with the arrival of the next episode my theory might very well end up in a trash bin
Cheers!
I thought CM would be pulling the strings from the dark.
Too easy? Its obviusly its either Bloody Mary or The Crooked Man.And it won't be too easy to get them. I'm sure they are the killers. But getting to them will be a problem.
Only 2 episodes to do that (if it happens), unless Telltale pulls a cliffhanger ending on us and makes another season.
The Butcher makes an appearance in the comics... preparing food for Snow and Bigby's wedding, no less. So I'm pretty confident it's not him. It's not the Baker or the Candlestick Maker, either.
Well, a couple thoughts:
You're right about fables being hard to kill, still it would perhaps be feasible. But more importantly, the best available explanation of the Tweedles showing at the funeral is the phone call which Crane made after he smashed the mirror. My guess is that he called TCM or the Tweedles directly. He wouldn't probably turn for help to a person he was suspecting of setting him up, would he? Obviously this does not mean that TCM didn't do it, but surprisingly after this phone call he came to his aid (sort of, it's obvious that Crane is panically affraid of him and usnure what is going to happen to him;)!
Now, your theory, if I understand it correctly, must rest on the assumption that TCM wanted to frame Crane, but then changed his mind probably because of Bigby's determination. The thing is that precisely at this point in the story (I mean Lily's funeral) the things were going rather smoothly for TCM if we assume that he was the one trying to set Crane up. Bigby has just found a room at the Open Arms with all the evidence planted in there and he was pursuing Crane as the main suspect. In short, it seemed like the plan was working! It was only after the shootout at the funeral that Bigby started to uncover some of the connections between Crane and TCM. As for now it seems to me that either TCM is not the guy responsible for trying to frame Crane or he is acting in a really confused and irrational way.
I agree that TCM ain't framing Crane. It would be completely irrational to send someone you want dead to Paris, France. Crane ends up being in France after all that happens here.
That's why i hate knowing outside info, it kills the fun of it a little. We pretty much know automatically who isn't the killer.