She's going to try and make Clementine let go of her humanity completely.
You CAN be a survivor and still care about the ones close to you.
"Connecting with people is so important."
I don't trust her. With that misanthropic attitude of her, she seems like she'd leave Clementine behind if they're in a tough spot and Clem needs to be saved, to save herself. "You gonna die, Clementine. I'm not letting you pull me down with you." sounds like something she'd say.
She's like an evil Molly.
I'm not really supporting what she says, but you said ''being an asshole'', which caught my attention. So to be hypothetical, I tried to view it from her perspective, if you know what I mean. She's a fairly new character so in my opinion it's a bit too soon to jump to conclusions.
But as a reaction on your new comment (playing devil's advocate here :P): You're right, Clementine could have died if it werent't for the others, but does that mean that Jane was wrong? She simply said that she'll die if she were to stay with them. We have yet to see a succesfull group in-game that is not falling apart, so how can we say that Jane's advice is misguided if we haven't seen any hard evidence to support the claim that she's wrong?
(I like rambling stuff like this, pls forgive me)
Well she's one of those who believes what they say is the right thing. It's actually not very good advice. Think of all of the time Clementine could have died if it weren't for other people.
There is a slim chance Jane is right but it seems like telltale isn't trying to make her a reasonable guardian for Clem... more of a rebellious one who will give her advice which might not actually turn out to be good advice. That's just my take on it so far.
I'm not really supporting what she says, but you said ''being an asshole'', which caught my attention. So to be hypothetical, I tried to vie… morew it from her perspective, if you know what I mean. She's a fairly new character so in my opinion it's a bit too soon to jump to conclusions.
But as a reaction on your new comment (playing devil's advocate here :P): You're right, Clementine could have died if it werent't for the others, but does that mean that Jane was wrong? She simply said that she'll die if she were to stay with them. We have yet to see a succesfull group in-game that is not falling apart, so how can we say that Jane's advice is misguided if we haven't seen any hard evidence to support the claim that she's wrong?
(I like rambling stuff like this, pls forgive me)
There is a slim chance Jane is right but it seems like telltale isn't trying to make her a reasonable guardian for Clem... more of a rebelli… moreous one who will give her advice which might not actually turn out to be good advice. That's just my take on it so far.
I think you misunderstand what a psychopath is. You probably think all psychopaths are murderers, or do other such things. Psychopathy is ju… morest a mental disorder that is quite prevalent, and causes less empathy and the ability to feel less emotions, and the emotions you do feel are in big pangs. In fact a lot of psychopaths make great politicians, Lawyers, and Businessmen. A lot aren't killers that kill o n whim. In fact I probably do have a few psychopath friends.
I don't think Jane is a mercenary .If she is so sure she can fend off by herself she can just abandon the group after they escape.I mean we have a one eyed man , a pregnant lady, Nick, Sarita one arm and Sarah.
if you think that Jane would abandon the group with Clementine or make her paranoid with that phrase she said you're wrong she would have chosen Mike and Bonnie to manipulate but she chose Clementine not to make her evil just to make her careful.It seems Jane sees Clementine in her or something.Remember it's not only Clementine in the walking dead.And for crying out loud she could have gone with Troy.
Totally agree. The way I see it, I'd rather die doing something good for someone I liked than let people die to continue living. Avoiding her at all costs in episode four, I want nothing to do with her. She's gonna do something horrible to the group and ditch them in need, I just feel it.
I don't like Jane.
She's going to try and make Clementine let go of her humanity completely.
You CAN be a survivor and still care … moreabout the ones close to you.
"Connecting with people is so important."
I don't trust her. With that misanthropic attitude of her, she seems like she'd leave Clementine behind if they're in a tough spot and Clem needs to be saved, to save herself. "You gonna die, Clementine. I'm not letting you pull me down with you." sounds like something she'd say.
She's like an evil Molly.
ANYONE who says something that egotistical in the midst of the apocalypse should be regarded with extreme suspicion themselves. Why the hell should Jane have any right to judge who's worthy of survival and who isn't? I'm picking up on creepy Darwin-meets-Nazi-Eugenics vibes from that lady, and I sincerely hope she leaves the group or gets killed VERY soon before she gives someone else the same treatment she gave Troy.
These days, a lot of people believe that anyone who isn't whiny, lazy, useless, self-defeating, or a drama whore is some sort of psychopath, whether the person meets the diagnostic criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder or not. :P
I feel like she's right, EVERYONE in the group other than Jane and Clementine is weak, physically and emotionally.
You could say Kenny is … morea strong character, however i think it's quite clear he's going insane.
Because of this i think that there is going to be a lot of commotion about Jane, even though i personally think her views are right, they just are too cruel for Clementine and most of the people that play the game.
having one eye doesn't make you weak look at the governor he was strong kenny managed to get up his feet after being beating up badly by carver he even fucked up carver for payback hell kenny is the most toughest son of a bitch currently on season 2
Not sure if it's TellTale hint but it's a zombie apocalypse so it's not difficult to come to that conclusion..
Also our group consists … moreof a pregnant lady, one eyed man and possibly a one armed lady. (Not to mention a child that has just lost her dad -not helped by her screaming and giving the group away- and doesn't know how to look after herself if we find her..) So Jane kinda has a point.. Luke, Jane, Bonnie and Mike are basically the stronger members of the group. Nick's alive in my save but he doesn't think before he acts and Kenny is clearly going insane -and with only one eye now.
I did hope we would see more of the 400 days characters / some of them would come with us but instead it was just small glimpse of each. =/
Totally agree. The way I see it, I'd rather die doing something good for someone I liked than let people die to continue living. Avoiding he… morer at all costs in episode four, I want nothing to do with her. She's gonna do something horrible to the group and ditch them in need, I just feel it.
I think overall Telltale has a theme for Clementine, since the beginning, that is only now emerging as a pattern. That pattern is Clem's personal morality. Clem has had to make a few critical (in my mind) moral choices that defines who she is as a person. Killing the dog in episode one can be seen as an act of mercy. Convincing Walter that Nick is a good guy can seen as a plea for compassion. Staying to witness Carver's death can be looked at as the last shed of Clementine's innocents.
It may very well be for episode four that Clementine may have to make moral choice that will determine who lives and who dies. Carver has already implied a couple of times that Clem isn't like the others... that she is like Carver, a wolf, and the rest of them are sheep. Guess we'll see in a couple of months.
I think that Jane want to say that all the entire group depends on Clem to do everything, so they put her in danger all the time... If they continue depending on Clem, she eventually will get killed or the group will be killed for her actions in some point...
I see a LOT of Molly in Jane. She is a lone wolf who can survive on her own. To be honest, I have some faith in Jane. She seemed to like Clementine and she is a good asset to the group I think.
This line really stuck out to me, because a huge theme of this episode was weak vs strong, and how people define what is weak and what is strong. Telltale's advertising of the episode ("Only the strong will survive..."), Carver's huge speech to Clementine about her forming the hardened and capable new generation, and now Jane implying that Clementine can't be pulled down by the others in the group (which seems a lot like what Carver was saying) has to be leading somewhere. I'm really not sure where I'm heading with this comment anymore, lol. But I like Jane tbh
he said she would never make it if lee didn't taught her how to use a gun and to defend herself if lee didn't she would die but lee taught her how to survive i think she will make it i hope...
Isn't it ironic how in Episode 3 of Season 1, the homeless guy tells Clem will never make it and everyone will eventually die... Please tell me I wasn't the only one who noticied this
More or less. People like to throw those terms around a lot with a lack of understanding. Interesting shocker for these people would be that a lot of autistic people suffer from Antisocial personality disorder but in a more sociopathic sense. I just try and make it simple for people: Psychopathic: Tendency to have a lack of empathy or understanding of social situationsvue to high emotional mental influence Sociopath: Tendency to have a lack of empathy or understanding of social situations without a sense of emotional influence. But those are just watered down definitions that aren't entirely accurate but easier for people without an understanding of abnormal psychology to recognize.
These days, a lot of people believe that anyone who isn't whiny, lazy, useless, self-defeating, or a drama whore is some sort of psychopath, whether the person meets the diagnostic criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder or not. :P
Jane is strange, that's for sure, but I get a Molly vibe from her-- I didn't think she was disgusting or weird for being found in walker guts when it became clear she did it to hide among them. Michonne, for example, had walkers on leashes and she's never been widely seen as crazy. More importantly, she's a survivor. I thought Jane was going to be neat from the get-go, when they explained how they found her.
Still though, we don't know yet. She could be completely bonkers and try to hurt Clem or the others to "teach" them or something. I don't think everyone's going to die in ep 4-- I just think Jane sees something in Clem the way Carver did, and she's got a very, very cold and brutal out look on people with any softness or irrationality to them.
The forum is full of idiots...
I really like jane she is awesome and knows what needs to be done in order to survive,she has potentiol to survive the season and i hope she teaches clem how to survive better
See? This is what I hate with this forum. An unpopular opinion and you've got youself 6 downvotes.
Personally I Think Jane, Bonnie, Luke and maybe even Kenny got what it takes to survive. Rebecca, Sarita and Sarah on the other hand..
Kenny isn't a leader, i predict that this group is going to eat itself very early on. their will be a huge amount of in-fighting and personal vendettas being waged against each other. though i do predict that Kenny's going to sacrifice himself to save Clem, heres hoping theirs a option to kick him in the face after he helps save your life.
I don't want Clem to be like Jane. Because Jane isn't what Lee wants Clem to be. Lee survived just fine by keeping his sense of empathy. I went through a lot in season one to show Clem that you don't need to be an asshole to survive!
That's gonna be the theme of episode 4/5 I bet. It all comes back to the conversation with Carver, are you going to cut off the weak so they can't drag the strong down with them?
I don't give a f*ck what that lady's saying. I'm staying with my group until the end. I'll keep as many of them alive as possible.
My Clementine leaves no one behind. Not even if we got a new shitbird.
Clem got their backs as long as they got hers and all that soapy stuff!
Jane seems like an expert manipulator. It's heavily implied she was trying to seduce Troy during the time she had been here. And that ended … morewith a dick shot (seriously... what males here didn't wince at that?) It's too early to tell what her game is but I'm looking forward to finding out.
The biggest problem with the new group is that practically EVERYONE has their own set of petty issues, and in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, it's all too easy for those issues to get you killed. Only Lee was even-tempered enough to weather the storm, and now that he's gone, it's all up to Clem...and who's ready to listen to a little girl?
(Okay, maybe Kenny and Luke, but Kenny's still unstable, while Luke is...well, a tad flaky, to be honest.)
No idea, but Jane seems a bit weird, don't trust anyone in this game really anymore, we don't even know what really happened about the cabin crew before they left carvers camp
I don't watch the show so referencing the governor means nothing to me. (Tried watching it but couldn't get into it.) and I didn't say Kenny was necessarily weak, just that Jane had a point. She doesn't really know and if all you knew about the group was that they all had some sort of 'disability' (however small/temporary etc.) or weakness, then you'd probably be in a similar mind set. I mean put yourself in Janes shoes for a minute, they don't exactly look like a strong group on paper/looks alone do they?
having one eye doesn't make you weak look at the governor he was strong kenny managed to get up his feet after being beating up badly by carver he even fucked up carver for payback hell kenny is the most toughest son of a bitch currently on season 2
I don't want Clem to be like Jane. Because Jane isn't what Lee wants Clem to be. Lee survived just fine by keeping his sense of empathy. I went through a lot in season one to show Clem that you don't need to be an asshole to survive!
Kenny isn't a leader, i predict that this group is going to eat itself very early on. their will be a huge amount of in-fighting and persona… morel vendettas being waged against each other. though i do predict that Kenny's going to sacrifice himself to save Clem, heres hoping theirs a option to kick him in the face after he helps save your life.
Jane is indeed ruthless but she's not an asshole,why would she bother explained about the walker guts stuff? when she could've just slipped out alone using the same trick while Clem's group just shoot their way out and will create a diversion for her
I don't want Clem to be like Jane. Because Jane isn't what Lee wants Clem to be. Lee survived just fine by keeping his sense of empathy. I went through a lot in season one to show Clem that you don't need to be an asshole to survive!
That's gonna be the theme of episode 4/5 I bet. It all comes back to the conversation with Carver, are you going to cut off the weak so they can't drag the strong down with them?
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She's going to try and make Clementine let go of her humanity completely.
You CAN be a survivor and still care about the ones close to you.
"Connecting with people is so important."
I don't trust her. With that misanthropic attitude of her, she seems like she'd leave Clementine behind if they're in a tough spot and Clem needs to be saved, to save herself. "You gonna die, Clementine. I'm not letting you pull me down with you." sounds like something she'd say.
She's like an evil Molly.
But as a reaction on your new comment (playing devil's advocate here :P): You're right, Clementine could have died if it werent't for the others, but does that mean that Jane was wrong? She simply said that she'll die if she were to stay with them. We have yet to see a succesfull group in-game that is not falling apart, so how can we say that Jane's advice is misguided if we haven't seen any hard evidence to support the claim that she's wrong?
(I like rambling stuff like this, pls forgive me)
if you think that Jane would abandon the group with Clementine or make her paranoid with that phrase she said you're wrong she would have chosen Mike and Bonnie to manipulate but she chose Clementine not to make her evil just to make her careful.It seems Jane sees Clementine in her or something.Remember it's not only Clementine in the walking dead.And for crying out loud she could have gone with Troy.
She's bio-chemically fucking psycho.
And christa's status remains unknown
It may very well be for episode four that Clementine may have to make moral choice that will determine who lives and who dies. Carver has already implied a couple of times that Clem isn't like the others... that she is like Carver, a wolf, and the rest of them are sheep. Guess we'll see in a couple of months.
Still though, we don't know yet. She could be completely bonkers and try to hurt Clem or the others to "teach" them or something. I don't think everyone's going to die in ep 4-- I just think Jane sees something in Clem the way Carver did, and she's got a very, very cold and brutal out look on people with any softness or irrationality to them.
I really like jane she is awesome and knows what needs to be done in order to survive,she has potentiol to survive the season and i hope she teaches clem how to survive better
My Clementine leaves no one behind. Not even if we got a new shitbird.
Clem got their backs as long as they got hers and all that soapy stuff!
(Okay, maybe Kenny and Luke, but Kenny's still unstable, while Luke is...well, a tad flaky, to be honest.)
...exept Kenny!
I don't watch the show so referencing the governor means nothing to me. (Tried watching it but couldn't get into it.) and I didn't say Kenny was necessarily weak, just that Jane had a point. She doesn't really know and if all you knew about the group was that they all had some sort of 'disability' (however small/temporary etc.) or weakness, then you'd probably be in a similar mind set. I mean put yourself in Janes shoes for a minute, they don't exactly look like a strong group on paper/looks alone do they?
but he didn't survive.
Wow.
sadly... Amneoss's right
Jane is indeed ruthless but she's not an asshole,why would she bother explained about the walker guts stuff? when she could've just slipped out alone using the same trick while Clem's group just shoot their way out and will create a diversion for her
ahh shit that be hard to do