Episode 3: 'In Harm's Way' Your Choices?
So I haven't seen a thread directed at asking what each of your specific choices were, and why you chose them. I feel like it'd be something nice to discuss. I was a little shocked because 2 of my choices were actually seen the as the least popular choice (not by much) and so I'm curious as to what other people chose, and your reasoning.
Helped Sarah With Her Chores?
I decided to help her because I figured after getting slapped by her father (which actually made me hate Carver that much more) I figured that she'd need someone to talk to and help her out. I originally didn't even think that we were supposed to be doing two separate sides of work and so when Reggie told me I didn't do any of my work for helping Sarah, I actually stated "Oh, shit." knowing that nothing good could come from it.
Told Bonnie About Luke?
This was one of my choices that didn't go with the majority. I didn't tell Bonnie because although she said she was originally planned to leave with them, I was afraid of telling her about Luke that Carver, Troy, or someone would overhear which would lead to Luke getting caught (Which, he does anyway, so...) so I decided to just tell her I had to go talk to Kenny.
Admitted To Stealing The Walkie Talkie?
The other choice of mine that didn't go with the majority. I thought about keeping it a secret, but then Carver had said if it wasn't in his hand by the count of three, things would get a lot more difficult. This instantly made me think of the Ski Lodge situation, and I thought that if I didn't bring it up he may begin to kill people in order to get answers. So of course, I went to tell him, but then Kenny took the blame.
Watched Kenny Kill Carver?
Yes. I did. Enough said, on that one.
Chopped Off Sarita's Arm?
Indeed I did. The instant I saw Sarita get bit, the first thing that came to my mind was "I have to cut this off" even before the choice came up. Of course, now that I did, I'm afraid I've doomed Sarita faster because of how quickly the blood was spurting out, and of course with no doctor as well as her scream, I'm pretty sure she's gonna die faster from cutting it off rather than if you just kept it attached.
Helped Sarah With Her Chores?
I decided to help her because I figured after getting slapped by her father (which actually made me hate Carver that much more) I figured that she'd need someone to talk to and help her out. I originally didn't even think that we were supposed to be doing two separate sides of work and so when Reggie told me I didn't do any of my work for helping Sarah, I actually stated "Oh, shit." knowing that nothing good could come from it.
Told Bonnie About Luke?
This was one of my choices that didn't go with the majority. I didn't tell Bonnie because although she said she was originally planned to leave with them, I was afraid of telling her about Luke that Carver, Troy, or someone would overhear which would lead to Luke getting caught (Which, he does anyway, so...) so I decided to just tell her I had to go talk to Kenny.
Admitted To Stealing The Walkie Talkie?
The other choice of mine that didn't go with the majority. I thought about keeping it a secret, but then Carver had said if it wasn't in his hand by the count of three, things would get a lot more difficult. This instantly made me think of the Ski Lodge situation, and I thought that if I didn't bring it up he may begin to kill people in order to get answers. So of course, I went to tell him, but then Kenny took the blame.
Watched Kenny Kill Carver?
Yes. I did. Enough said, on that one.
Chopped Off Sarita's Arm?
Indeed I did. The instant I saw Sarita get bit, the first thing that came to my mind was "I have to cut this off" even before the choice came up. Of course, now that I did, I'm afraid I've doomed Sarita faster because of how quickly the blood was spurting out, and of course with no doctor as well as her scream, I'm pretty sure she's gonna die faster from cutting it off rather than if you just kept it attached.
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Helped Sarah with her chores: Yes, because why not? She clearly didn't know how, and I didn't want her to get a beating for it.
Told Bonnie about Luke: Yes, because I trusted her enough.
Admitted to stealing the walkie talkie: No. It didn't matter though, because Kenny already had it.
Watched Kenny kill Carver: Yes, and I loved it too.
Chopped of Sarita's arm: Yes. It seemed like the right thing to do at the time, because I knew I would just have to cut it off later.
Well...at least she has a chance to survive...
I told Bonnie about Luke because (in my playthrough) she seemed very uncomfortable about Carver, and she was genuinely caring towards Clementine.
I admitted to stealing the walkie-talkie because I thought Carver would let it go if Clementine admitted it straight away.
I watched Kenny kill Carver because I felt helpless when Carver beat Kenny's eye, so it was bittersweet to watch Kenny get his revenge.
I cut off Sarita's arm because I wanted to save her, though she was absent in the Episode 4 Trailer, and there is the chance she gets bitten again by the herde.
I told Bonnie about Luke. I trusted her from the start, and I like her character. I don't think she would turn on me, especially because she seemed to be having second thoughts about Carver, and I don't think she would want to get a little girl get punished.
I admitted to stealing the walkie talkie. I was scared and pressured when he was counting down. Like you said it might have been another ski lodge situation. We have already seen what Carver is capable of, and pissing him off won't help. I think it would have made things worse for the group in the long run.
A choice that was no mentioned was Restrain Sarita, or Help Kenny. I restrained Sarita because as I said before, I don't want things to get worse then they need to be.
Now this is an opinion I feel strongly about and I have to admit I copy and pasted it from my comment on another thread, but I really like it, and tired of writing something that mean's the same in different words.
I told her to leave, but not in fear of someone in trouble, but in fear of her mental state. She has seen so many horrible things that this is unnecessary to watch. Carver calls me weak, a sheep, a follower, but I believe I was brave by not watching a man I hated suffer. I proved to him that I'm not like him, and that satisfies me. I'm quite glad I didn't watch. I watched on youtube what happened if you stayed and it was brutal. And Clementine seemed to be satisfied with the punishment Carver received. She showed no remorse, or pity for him. She just watched, as Kenny bashed his face in.
It just seemed more moral not to watch because she's a little girl, and watching Carver die would be sickening, and changing. I know she needs to grow up... "But I don't want her to stop caring about people." Believe it or not I tried to convince the others to spare Carver with Luke. Call me stupid but that was just my opinion. I was okay with him dying, but the way in which it was done was gruesome. This episode was truly a fight of emotions, and change. Is it time for Clementine to change? To make hard decisions to survive? I hope it doesn't come to this but at some point in the future I can assure you there will be a decision of survival, or paying the price of keeping innocence. And when that point comes we will see, what kind of person that we all are, and how this game has affected us.
I cut her arm off the instant I saw it. Kenny would be mad if I didn't try. "You don't just give up because it's hard. You stick it out and care for those you love." When she looked at her arm and screamed, it was so chilling. And then people say she will die so I kind of regret giving her more pain. But whatever.
2) I told Bonnie about Luke, because I knew she could be trusted, and I highly doubt she would want to see a little girl get punished.
3) I admitted to stealking the walkie talkie, because I felt like it was the right thing to do, and that Carver may have spared everyone if Clementine admitted it herself (he seemed to take somewhat of a liking to Clementine in my play-through).
4) I watched Kenny kill Carver, because I wanted to see Carver feel the pain he inflicted on countless others.
5) I cut off Sarita's arm, because I wanted to save her for multiple reasons; she's the closest thing to a family Kenny has, she is always nice to Clementine, and she's a very likable character (though I can imagine her death will happen in the first few minutes of Episode 4).
2. I didn't tell Bonnie about Luke, I still wasn't sure if I could trust her. She was supposed to escape with the group the first time, she seemed wishy washy when it came to making concrete decisions. I didn't want to risk her changing her mind and telling Carver.
3. I was about to say "maybe you lost it" in what I hope would be a really snarky way, but then Kenny got hit and I wish I confessed.:(
4. I watched Kenny kill Carver, because I wanted to see him suffer and I've always had Kenny's back since the days of Lee.
5. I cut off Sarita's arm, I didn't want to risk waiting too long and then having the infection spread like it did with Lee and Pete.And I like Sarita. I also don't want Kenny to suffer anymore than he needs to, I honestly believe Sarita dying might be the straw that breaks the came's back for Kenny's will to live. So if I can prevent Sarita from dying, I'll do whatever is neccessary.
1. Compassion - Did Sarah's chores for her. Friends help one another.
2. Trust - I told Bonnie about Luke. I wanted to be able to trust her.
3. Selflessness - I tried to confess about the walkie talkie, but Kenny did it for me, and then I tried to save him.
4. Vengeance - I stayed to watch Kenny kill Carver. I wanted to see what was coming to him.
5. Risk - Chopped Sarita's arm off. When I saw Sarita in trouble, I thought that TTG had seen my "Sarah or Sarita" thread and decided to do that. But then, I see the walker taking a bite out of her hand. At first I thought I was only going to have to kill the walker, but then, it showed me that it was either that or chop the hand. I hope it worked.
I told Bonnie about Luke she seems like a trustworthy person
I did press a dialog option to admit but Kenny took the blame anyway
I didn't watch Kenny kill Carver because I know Clem has seen some shit but stuff like that but I just felt like it wasn't neccasary for Clem to see that. He wasn't a threat anymore and I already felt satisfied with Clem's badass jump kick to the back of Carver's head. :D
I cut Sarita's arm because I figured it wasn't too long after she was bitten so MAYBE it will still work.....
PS did any of you guys have Alvin with you this episode because if so I have to admit his final moments got me choked up a little...
1. Compassion: YES: I helped Sarah with the gardening, because, well its nice. I know she can be socially awkward but she has a good heart. She has consistently been excluded from grown up situations and i told Reggie i'd help her, i didnt want to get him in trouble. What i didnt realize was that helping Sarah actually meant doing it for her. BUZZKILL. Otherwise i think i would have left her to it.
2. Trust: NO: I didnt trust her with it. She seemed genuine whilst apologising for lying and leading Carver to the group but that doesnt give a free stab me in the back card.
3. Selflessness: YES: I attempted to take the blame. Carver seemed to have some twisted admiration for Clem that she may have gotten off with a punch and i figured that "i found it" or "it must have been misplaced" wasnt going to cut it. That on top of what happened at the ski lodge.... No.
4. Revenege: HELL YES: He was a cruel sociopath who killed others and was a threat if left in any way, shape or form to survive. I was taking no chances. Had to be there.
5. Risk: Yes: spur of the moment decision that i felt was the best thing to do. But that drove it home that maybe i was a monster like Carver and realised how slippery a slope it could be to take someone elses freedom.. but i dont regret it.... yet, by telling myself she was a dead woman anyway.
2. Trust: (1st playthrough no, 2nd yes) I meant to tell her the first time but I thought there would be more dialogue options allowing you to tell her before you really walked away
3. Selflessness: 1st playthrough I said that I found it, 2nd I said that I had it. I didn't think that Kenny was going to take it from me if I said I found it.
4. Revenge: 1st yes, 2nd no. I only chose yes the first time because I thought that maybe it would be possible to tell Kenny that he was doing the wrong thing during it, and that Kenny himself was turning into someone like Carver by doing this.
5. Cut off Sarita's arm.
2. I told Bonnie about Luke. I could tell from 400 Days that she was a good-hearted character, and she was pretty rad to Clem in this episode, apologizing for being a dick and giving her that awesome jacket. Bonnie's great.
3. Tried to speak up about stealing the walkie-talkies. I almost always try to take the blame for everything in TWD because I know I can handle whatever punishment is dealt out. Besides, we were caught anyway, so there wouldn't be any point in lying to Carter at this point.
4. On my first playthrough, I did watch Kenny kill Carver, but only because I assumed I would be given some option to keep Kenny from going overboard. This wasn't the case at all, though, and it felt disturbing watching Clem silently watch Kenny beat Carver's face in. After thinking about it a lot, I rewound the chapter a bit so I could replay that scene with Clem leaving. In my mind, Clem should be glad Carver's dead (he'll no longer hurt anyone), but she doesn't need to fulfill some desire to see him brutally murdered. As long as he's gone, she's fine, and sticking around to watch it is a waste of her time. I disagree with the notion that watching Carver be murdered is some kind of test to prove that Clem isn't weak and can handle anything--Clem is a strong girl who has already proved herself able to handle anything without needing to witness death to be satisfied. One of the dialogue options before the scene was "Kenny, we don't have time for this", which felt logical to me (even though I actually outright told him to stop on both playthroughs--I could tell Kenny was prepared for some grisly shit and knew it would be unnecessary). So, yeah. Ultimately, I replayed the episode so Clem could leave. Carver's a bastard, and if Clem doesn't need to take care of him herself, hanging around to watch someone else do it isn't worth her time.
5. Chopped off Sarita's arm. I realize that it's a slim chance that it'll keep her from turning (didn't work for Lee, but worked for Reggie) so I figured any help I could give her from turning would be better than just letting the virus from the bite spread through her system. I just hope she doesn't bleed out, pass out, or otherwise die in the mass of zombies before we can patch up her arm.
I 'fessed up to Bonnie about Luke, even though I wasn't 100% sure I could trust her.
Told Carver that I took the Walkie, then tried to help Kenny.
Watched Carver's final moments to make sure he won't come back. Remember, if you don't see them die, they ain't dead!
Chopped off Kenny's lady's arm. Hoping for the best, expecting the worst.
2. I don't know why I didn't tell her. I trusted her for sure, but I thought it would be safer to just say that I needed to speak to Kenny.
3. I said "I found it" and Kenny took the blame. What happens if you take the blame automatically, does Kenny still cut in? In the preview for episode 4, when Clementine says something about how if she had taken the blame for Kenny he maybe wouldn't have gotten hurt so badly, I thought for a second that maybe Clementine could have ended up like him and automatically went to check the forum. O_O
4. I chose to watch Kenny kill Carver because I wanted to make sure he was dead and I wanted to keep an eye out on Rebecca and especially Kenny, whose sanity is still slipping.
5. Cut off Sarita's arm because I want her to at least have a chance at living. Damn, that scream was terrifying though.
Yes. Sarah wasn't in any shape to do anything. Although I was a bit annoyed that she was resisting doing the work because she was afraid of screwing up. I'd figured that Sarah would be smart enough to know that not doing anything at all when tasked with something would be even worse.
Told Bonnie About Luke?
I told Bonnie about Luke. I figured with her feeling guilty about her role at the lodge, wanting leave with the group but chickened out, and her reaction when she discovered that Carver killing Reggie; she'd be a person that could be trusted. Bonnie obviously didn't like what she was seeing there, and she seems to like and care about Clem's welfare.
Admitted To Stealing The Walkie Talkie?
I admitted to the theft... or tried too when Kenny cut in to assume the blame. I honestly think that Clementine would have been smacked around but not nearly as bad as Kenny. Carver likes Clem... in his twisted way. Carver doesn't like Kenny... probably because Kenny was being an ass and shoots off his mouth for most of the episode. Sigh... what's done is done.
Watched Kenny Kill Carver?
Yes, I stayed. I wanted to see Carver get what he deserved. This was a guy who caused a lot of pain and suffering; organized forced labour (aka slavery), tortured and murdered when it suited him. His so called 'beacon of hope' town is a farce. I do not doubt his intent on building a strong community, I do however have issue with his methods - his 'ends justify the means' is no excuse.
Chopped Off Sarita's Arm?
Yes, without a second thought. In fact I couldn't move my mouse over and click fast enough. I figured as soon as I get it chopped off the better. The problem with Lee is that his arm wasn't cut off until hours after he was bitten, and by then it was too late. With Sarita it's barely been a few seconds and has a good chance of surviving the bite if she doesn't bleed to death.
1. Helped Sarah cause I felt bad and shit.
2. Didn't tell Bonnie about Luke. I didn't trust her still at that point.
3. I chose the "I found it" option, but it registered as me trying to shift the blame. Whatever.
4. I watched it. Look at you Clementine, my growing psychopath <3
5. Cut it off. As I've said, Slim chance of survival > none.
2. No, I didn't tell Bonnie. I still didn't trust her. Looking back on it, maybe I should have.
3. Yes, I admitted to stealing the talkie. But man, I wasn't expecting Kenny to take the blame!
4. No, I left with Sarita. I didn't really agree with what Kenny was doing, even though I hated Carver.
5. I tried to help Kenny. I couldn't bear to see him get bashed him up like that :(
6. I cut off Sarita's arm. It was so hard to do, but, it had to be done. At least there would still be some chance that she will survive.
Told Bonnie bout Luke: yes because i feel that Bonnie has no reason to tell Carver its just pointless if she did so.
Admitted steal radio: yes.
Stay at carver: no i'm not interested.
Chop Sarita arm: yep.
i dont wanna replay so may i ask what will happen to Reggie if i didnt help Sarah at the greenhouse?
I honestly thought that Sarah would get beaten if she didn't do her chores, or Clem for not doing hers. Interesting.
When I was faced with the choice of going after the zombie or her arm, that actually made me stop and think for a second longer than it would have if the reticle had been on the back of her head.
I went for the arm, but I am not looking forward to her and Kenny getting on my case throughout the entire next episode. I think maybe that's why I was ready to finish Sarita off instead. With all the confusion going on, no one would have seen Clementine/Sarita, so I don't think anyone would question her about what happened. I feel like Clementine's good enough at taking care of herself (lying, in this case) now, and all she would have to do, if asked, is say "We got separated. I was running and didn't see her."
Anyway, I helped Sarah. No reason, I knew it would end up being a shitty situation anyway so I just thought why not help that poor girl, she's having enough trouble being alive in this world to begin with, I can't just leave her alone.
I told Bonnie about Luke, it was obvious she sympathizes with me and she's actually a decent person so I thought why not.
I admitted to having the walkie talkie as soon as the option popped up. Really didn't want Luke to get (more) hurt.
Yes I watched. I actually waited for us to have a little part in it. I sort of expected Kenny to hand over the crowbar to Rebecca to deliver a final hit. I thought that's why I was there too. Usually my motive is to stay away from murder, be peaceful and to keep the bodycount as low as possible, and the subject of vengeance is really complicated anyway, but Carver did deserve it. Without a doubt.
I already wrote it in another thread, I didn't even know there was an option not to cut it off, and even if I knew I wouldn't have chosen it.
Another thing is when Kenny woke up to tell us that we're leaving tonight I thought "okay I need to hug him" and insantly clicked on the hug option as soon as it showed up. I'm so happy that was an available choice.
Oh and I kinda dislike the fact that I already knew Alvin was going to die. In the previous episode I accidentally got him killed during my first playthrough, and as the predicatble Telltale storytelling goes, if a character can either live or die then it means that character is "disposable" so they'll die anyway (see: Ben, Carley/Doug).
A thing that bothers me is that I just don't _get_ this whole concentration camp that Carver was doing. I don't get the psychology behind it. Why was it so important to him to keep everyone in? There's nothing more destructive to a group than people who don't want to be a part of it. So I absolutely don't understand why he wanted to get us back in there. It just makes no sense at all. If you want to keep a group together then you should only have those in the group that actually want to be an active part of it, not the ones that are trying to break free by any cost.
Or maybe it's just because he's insane, I don't know.
2. Told Bonnie (went all cards out)
3. Admitted to stealing
4. Yeah I watched, just to make sure it happened
5. Chopped it off (great in theory but jeez)
Trusted Bonnie: Yes, definitely.
Admitted to stealing the Walkie-Talkie: Well, I tried to, but Kenny took the blame anyway.
Watched Kenny kill Carver: No. I did go back a second time though on a different save file though. Just to see what happens.
Cut off Sarita's arm: Yes, if you don't, then it's guaranteed that she'll die. You at least have to try...
I helped her because I didn't want to see her get in trouble. Of course I regretted it immediately seeing what he did to the armless guy.
Told Bonnie About Luke?
I thought it was best to hide Luke's presence by creepily saying nothing. Didn't really end up making a difference since he got caught regardless, but it was still the right idea.
Admitted To Stealing The Walkie Talkie?
I tried to say that I found it, which might have been worse than coming out and saying I stole it since that's another lie. Either way, Kenny said he did it.
Watched Kenny Kill Carver?
For some reason, I didn't. Mostly to spite Carver who wanted me to stay.
Chopped Off Sarita's Arm?
I was surprised that so many people went straight for the arm. People that get their limbs severed by unsterilzed blunt instruments don't tend to live long. It didn't work for Allen in the comics, and it didn't work out in the long run for Lee either. Also in the middle of a herd is not the time to make that decision for somebody. Some might choose the less painful death. Also more pain doesn't help you deal with high-stress situations like they were in.
1.) I helped because I know what it feels like to be completely lost at a new task when your have shitty motion-planning skills. I also tried to protect her from Carver's wrath
2.) Didn't tell Bonnie about the plan.
3.) I tried to confess but restrained Sarita.
4.) Watched, reluctantly and only after arguing that he should be spared. This will challenge her worldview and make Clem a more complex character.
5.) Killed the walker.
Anti-Hero (Canon) Clem (reflects Clementine's struggle with guilt and self-doubt and her transformation from innocent little girl to hardened child-soldier.
1.) Clem did her own cores but still tried to defend Sarah from Carver's wrath.
2.) Told Bonnie, she wasn't an ideal ally, but the best we could get.
3.) Tried to confess/protect Kenny and received a nasty hit to the face for her trouble.
4.) Watched. Clem and Kenny are going down a very grim path.
5.) Chopped it, knew that a 90% chance of dying is better than a 100% chance.