No, the Fables were merely giving Snow their trust to do her job. They didn't find CM guilty until Nerissa came in and started spewing lies.
Awesome, five other lying prostitutes. That should help us find the truth! You keep missing the point that you can't just make crap up at a trail just because you don't like a person.
There is no way to have a discussion about this with you. Nerissa is an angel who can do no wrong in your eyes. According to you she has every right to lie to law enforcement, provide false evidence at a trial and keep important details of the case a secret. (post ribbon coming off)
Uh. No. Play the scene again. Snow gives a speech, all the townies line up beside her, THEN Nerissa comes in.
The argument the Crooked Ma… moren gave was that no one else heard Georgie's confession but Bigby. And if Nerissa does indeed have 5 other girls to back up what she says (which she probably would seeing as how they have a huge grudge against the Crooked Man as well), it's their words against his. Besides, Bigby was perfectly content with letting her go before his sudden realization at the end.
How would it be suspicious? There was absolutely nothing indicating any wrongdoing on her part except for her confession to Bigby. Do you actually have a theory as to what she was doing or are you just suspicious of some nebulous criminal activity she may have been involved in?
They did find the Crooked Man guilty of the other charges, because it focused on their trust of Snow, Bigby, and eachother. If Nerissa came in she lied a lot and everyone agreed with her false testimony of hearing the Crooked Man, however if it was Faith she lied when she said 5 other prostitutes would back her up and after the trial. It is best to go after whoever we talked to.
No, the Fables were merely giving Snow their trust to do her job. They didn't find CM guilty until Nerissa came in and started spewing lies.… more
Awesome, five other lying prostitutes. That should help us find the truth! You keep missing the point that you can't just make crap up at a trail just because you don't like a person.
There is no way to have a discussion about this with you. Nerissa is an angel who can do no wrong in your eyes. According to you she has every right to lie to law enforcement, provide false evidence at a trial and keep important details of the case a secret. (post ribbon coming off)
Nerissa's goals were also Bigby's and Snow's goals. And most of the town's. What she did was technically illegal, yes. So was half the stuff… more that Bigby did to bring the Crooked Man to justice. And what would chasing after her do? Are you going to make her answer for her crime of lying at the trial? How? How would you prove she was lying?
Nerissa already came clean to Bigby about the one crime she committed, even though she had no reason to. Her glamouring herself up as Faith and getting Bigby to feel sorry for her wasn't a crime. And she explained her reasoning for it. She didn't want Faith to fade away. She wanted someone to care for Faith enough to get her the justice she deserves. How does that make her a bad person?
You have to follow her. Unless you're a fool who does anything for a pretty face. Oh wait, I forgot that the majority of players gave all their money to a prostitute in episode one for no reason. lmao
This is like arguing that Deep Sea Divers deserve to get eaten by Sharks if it happens.... "They chose that line of work." How do legalities play into your human decency? Also your point that "it happens often in that line of work"? People also get mugged and killed while minding their own business pretty often..
I am unsympathetic towards people who "make their own beds". Did she deserve to be slapped around? No, but sorry that's the line of work you… more chose sweetheart. I wouldn't spend my own money to protect a drug dealer from his supplier. So why would I spend my cash to protect a hooker from her pimp?
Your major point here seems to be that she got beaten up for no reason. Well sadly people catch beatings all the time when they are involved in illegal activity. It could have been easily avoided by staying away from that lifestyle. Please feel free to visit some of your local prostitutes and give them some money though. I am sure they would appreciate it.
No, the Fables were merely giving Snow their trust to do her job. They didn't find CM guilty until Nerissa came in and started spewing lies.
You seem to have lost track of the argument. The point was that the Fables wanted The Crooked Man gone, which they clearly showed by lining up beside Snow as she was talking about putting him away.
Again, you lost track of what we were arguing about.
The point is that there is no way for Bigby to convict Nerissa of anything given the dearth of evidence he has, We already know the truth is that she lied.
There is no way to have a discussion about this with you. Nerissa is an angel who can do no wrong in your eyes. According to you she has every right to lie to law enforcement, provide false evidence at a trial and keep important details of the case a secret. (post ribbon coming off)
Yeah, I'm going to take that as "No, I have no theory as to what nefarious scheme Nerissa could possibly be involved in; I'm just suspicious of her because reasons." She admitted to the one crime she could have committed when there was no reason to and whatever detail that she omits doesn't change the fact that it was Georgie who killed the girls and the Crooked Man who gave the orders. That is what the case is about. Not one prostitute glamouring herself up an another.
No, the Fables were merely giving Snow their trust to do her job. They didn't find CM guilty until Nerissa came in and started spewing lies.… more
Awesome, five other lying prostitutes. That should help us find the truth! You keep missing the point that you can't just make crap up at a trail just because you don't like a person.
There is no way to have a discussion about this with you. Nerissa is an angel who can do no wrong in your eyes. According to you she has every right to lie to law enforcement, provide false evidence at a trial and keep important details of the case a secret. (post ribbon coming off)
It was just him working through everything and coming to a realization of who she was. Telltale purposefully left it ambiguous by including quotes that support both the Faith and Nerissa theories. However, the evidence beyond the quotes, like Faith's smashed in make-up box and the fact that Nerissa talked about her Fable origin but Faith never did, leads me to believer that the Nerissa theory is more plausible. Not to say the Faith theory is impossible, just less likely.
The line we hear contradicts the entry. There is actually less that supports the Nerissa whole time theory. The box was broken open after the head was dropped at the Woodlands, we know this because the Tweedles searched for the photo of Crane and Lily together. The photo is the only decisive evidence there is.
It was just him working through everything and coming to a realization of who she was. Telltale purposefully left it ambiguous by including … morequotes that support both the Faith and Nerissa theories. However, the evidence beyond the quotes, like Faith's smashed in make-up box and the fact that Nerissa talked about her Fable origin but Faith never did, leads me to believer that the Nerissa theory is more plausible. Not to say the Faith theory is impossible, just less likely.
Pay attention to what was broken in (the makeup box and jewlery boxes) and what was beside it (the note from Lily). The chain of events that seem most plausible here is that after Nerissa saw Faith die, she decided to leave her head at the Woodlands to get Bigby's attention so that he would get justice for her.
But if she just left a head there, Bigby would have no idea whose head it was and would have no idea how to pursue the case. So she broke into Faith's jewlery box and took out her ring, hoping that it would identify her. But then she also stumbled upon the note left by Lily thanking Faith for covering for her. So she glamoured herself up as Faith, put Faith's ring on, and went to see Woody, knowing that the angry drunk would cause trouble and force Bigby to come down there and deal with him.
By meeting with Bigby, she clued him in to the fact that she was a prostitute and by leaving Faith's ring in her mouth, she clued him into her identity. Both key pieces of evidence that led Bigby to the Puddind & Pie, where Nerissa would be waiting for her chance to guide him further towards "what he was looking for."
The line we hear contradicts the entry. There is actually less that supports the Nerissa whole time theory. The box was broken open after th… moree head was dropped at the Woodlands, we know this because the Tweedles searched for the photo of Crane and Lily together. The photo is the only decisive evidence there is.
Pay attention to what was broken in (the makeup box and jewlery boxes) and what was beside it (the note from Lily). The chain of events that… more seem most plausible here is that after Nerissa saw Faith die, she decided to leave her head at the Woodlands to get Bigby's attention so that he would get justice for her.
But if she just left a head there, Bigby would have no idea whose head it was and would have no idea how to pursue the case. So she broke into Faith's jewlery box and took out her ring, hoping that it would identify her. But then she also stumbled upon the note left by Lily thanking Faith for covering for her. So she glamoured herself up as Faith, put Faith's ring on, and went to see Woody, knowing that the angry drunk would cause trouble and force Bigby to come down there and deal with him.
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Faith probably told her about it. They were in on the plan to escape together. If Faith got some "leverage," it would make sense that she shared it with the others.
As for the timeline, it would look something like:
Georgie kills Faith in front of Nerissa
Nerissa decides to get justice for her friend
Nerissa looks through Faith's stuff and sees her ring and Lily's note about filling in for her
Nerissa goes to Woody's apartment, expecting to cause a ruckus and get Bigby to come by
First scene of the game happens
Nerissa leaves and takes the glamour off
Nerissa takes Faith's head and leaves it at the Woodlands, cutting her leg on the fence
Tell me what your prediction of timeline is until Snow discovers the head at the doorstep to the Woodlands.
Also how do you explain Nerissa knowing where the photos were taken from.
That is an impossible timeline because of the pictures at the foundry. Georgie would have killed Nerissa if Nerissa glamoured herself as Faith because he would think he's being played around. We already know how fast everyone knows Bigby will be at their doorstep.
There is more than that though, Nerissa doesn't know anything about Toad who called because of what was going on. And Nerissa never met Bigby earlier, and considering her story she wouldn't even think of messing around. Funny how you mentioned "leverage" since that could only mean Faith was planning to get Bigby involved.
How do you explain the line "I thought I could do this" since Nerissa would never use that line based on her story. Also everyone including "Nerissa" mentioned only one photo. Take a look next time you replay episode 5 to look at the opposite side of the photos, Nerissa wouldn't know where to look for the 2 other photos since the only place they could be is in a box in which 3 are marked Bigby Wolf and 1 marked Snow White.
Also "Nerissa" said that she went straight from the Woodlands to the Open Arms, and we also know she didn't go there twice since she didn't know Lily was killed there. Also why didn't Nerissa write a letter to Lily at Lily's funeral, she would have written more than anyone else considering she regarded Lily as her friend.
I do agree that Faith talked to Nerissa and Lily about one photo.
Faith probably told her about it. They were in on the plan to escape together. If Faith got some "leverage," it would make sense that she sh… moreared it with the others.
As for the timeline, it would look something like:
* Georgie kills Faith in front of Nerissa
* Nerissa decides to get justice for her friend
* Nerissa looks through Faith's stuff and sees her ring and Lily's note about filling in for her
* Nerissa goes to Woody's apartment, expecting to cause a ruckus and get Bigby to come by
* First scene of the game happens
* Nerissa leaves and takes the glamour off
* Nerissa takes Faith's head and leaves it at the Woodlands, cutting her leg on the fence
* Snow finds the head.
What do the pictures at the foundry have to do with anything? I didn't see anything indicating when they were taken or who they were taken by. Of course Nerissa didn't glamour herself up as Faith in front of Georgie. I would imagine that immediately after killing Faith, he would have gone to dispose of her body or to plan out Lilly's murder.
She doesn't have to know anything about Toad. She knew that Woody would cause a huge disturbance and that someone would eventually call Bigby over to deal with him. She didn't have to know anything about Bigby. Just that he was the sheriff. All she wanted to do was drop hints for him and maybe get his sympathy. The leverage that Faith wanted was over the Crooked Man and Georgie. It doesn't involve Bigby at all.
She meant that she thought it would be easier to lead Bigby to find Faith's killer. Which photos are you talking about? The ones in room 207? Those are pictures that Crane took. He was obsessed with Snow so he stalked her and snapped pictures of her. The one that Faith took was the one with Crane and Lily. That was the incriminating one.
When did she say she went straight from the Woodlands to the Open Arms? And of course she knew Lily was killed there. That's why she sent Bigby there!
That is an impossible timeline because of the pictures at the foundry. Georgie would have killed Nerissa if Nerissa glamoured herself as Fai… moreth because he would think he's being played around. We already know how fast everyone knows Bigby will be at their doorstep.
There is more than that though, Nerissa doesn't know anything about Toad who called because of what was going on. And Nerissa never met Bigby earlier, and considering her story she wouldn't even think of messing around. Funny how you mentioned "leverage" since that could only mean Faith was planning to get Bigby involved.
How do you explain the line "I thought I could do this" since Nerissa would never use that line based on her story. Also everyone including "Nerissa" mentioned only one photo. Take a look next time you replay episode 5 to look at the opposite side of the photos, Nerissa wouldn't know where to look for the 2 other photos since the only place they could be is i… [view original content]
There are 3 photos taken of Bigby with "Faith" found at the foundry, you also said she wouldn't glamour up in front of Georgie yet those photos at the foundry would reach Georgie's hands the moment Bloody Mary was called.
Crane didn't take the photos we find in room 207, since he was supposed to look into all of Fabletown's citizens as clearly mentioned by Johann the Butcher. Also judging by the amount of money Crane owed, he most likely got Bloody Mary to take pictures, or whoever owns the red car parked in front of Toad's apartment in episode 1.
She would have to know about Toad always calling Bigby. Faith certainly knew this since Toad's words clearly say he knew Faith and repossession only happens when someone can't afford to pay the rent. Also Woody doesn't read books, but Faith does based on Lawrence's apartment. Also it was past midnight when Bigby arrived at Toad's in episode 1.
Do you remember this line "After dropping of Faith's head I went straight away to warn Lily, but she wasn't at her scheduled appointment."
What do the pictures at the foundry have to do with anything? I didn't see anything indicating when they were taken or who they were taken b… morey. Of course Nerissa didn't glamour herself up as Faith in front of Georgie. I would imagine that immediately after killing Faith, he would have gone to dispose of her body or to plan out Lilly's murder.
She doesn't have to know anything about Toad. She knew that Woody would cause a huge disturbance and that someone would eventually call Bigby over to deal with him. She didn't have to know anything about Bigby. Just that he was the sheriff. All she wanted to do was drop hints for him and maybe get his sympathy. The leverage that Faith wanted was over the Crooked Man and Georgie. It doesn't involve Bigby at all.
She meant that she thought it would be easier to lead Bigby to find Faith's killer. Which photos are you talking about? The ones in room 207? Those are pictures that Crane took. He was obsess… [view original content]
I only remember one photo of Faith and Bigby at the foundry. And even then it's not like the Crooked Man and Georgie tell each other everything. The Crooked Man may not have known that Georgie killed Faith prior to that picture with Bigby and thus not known that it was actually Nerissa.
Why does Crane's looking into Fabletown citizens mean that he didn't take the photos. He had a huge obsession with Snow White. Why would Crane pay The Crooked Man extraordinary amounts of money to take pictures of Snow White when he could easily just do it himself from afar?
Bigby is literally the only form of law enforcement Fabletown has. Who else would Toad call to deal with a huge brute smashing his apartment up? What does it matter if it was past midnight?
That doesn't necessarily mean she was going to the Open Arms. Also, what does it matter what she did after dropping off the head? Aren't we only concerned about what she did before then?
There are 3 photos taken of Bigby with "Faith" found at the foundry, you also said she wouldn't glamour up in front of Georgie yet those pho… moretos at the foundry would reach Georgie's hands the moment Bloody Mary was called.
Crane didn't take the photos we find in room 207, since he was supposed to look into all of Fabletown's citizens as clearly mentioned by Johann the Butcher. Also judging by the amount of money Crane owed, he most likely got Bloody Mary to take pictures, or whoever owns the red car parked in front of Toad's apartment in episode 1.
She would have to know about Toad always calling Bigby. Faith certainly knew this since Toad's words clearly say he knew Faith and repossession only happens when someone can't afford to pay the rent. Also Woody doesn't read books, but Faith does based on Lawrence's apartment. Also it was past midnight when Bigby arrived at Toad's in episode 1.
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Such as? (things that you can prove, not crap Nerissa said)
The Crooked Man tried to kidnap the Deputy Mayor of Fable Town. He can argue that he had good intentions all that he wants, but that doesn't make it okay to just decide to kidnap someone, let alone a Fabletown official. When Bigby and Snow interfered with the kidnapping, the CM let his minions take Crane through violent force. When Bigby later goes to his lair to arrest him, the CM decides to have his minions attempt to kill Bigby once he realized that he was not going to be able to talk his way out of an arrest.
So just with those charges, we have the kidnap of acting Mayor of Fabletown, attempted murder on Bigby x2, attempted murder on Snow, assault on Fabltown officials, and resisting arrest. Those are violent actions of Treason.
Everything you mentioned is an assumption and a guess. We already have facts that Crooked Man tells Georgie everything. Remember the line "When word gets out, I hear about it especially when it concerns my livelihood."? Beast or Beauty also say "word gets out".
The reason he can't focus on Snow is because he would be killed by Bloody Mary if he disobeyed the Crooked Man's orders. To put it short he wouldn't have time, which is exactly what the Crooked Man wants as said by Nerissa and the Butcher.
Like I said Toad calls Bigby very often, that's why Bigby says he wished Toad would like his privacy. After midnight in a place where there are few fables and more mundies, mundies wouldn't call Bigby.
If she didn't than she never read the note from Lily to Faith, which also means she didn't go to Woody's till after dropping Faith's head.
I only remember one photo of Faith and Bigby at the foundry. And even then it's not like the Crooked Man and Georgie tell each other everyth… moreing. The Crooked Man may not have known that Georgie killed Faith prior to that picture with Bigby and thus not known that it was actually Nerissa.
Why does Crane's looking into Fabletown citizens mean that he didn't take the photos. He had a huge obsession with Snow White. Why would Crane pay The Crooked Man extraordinary amounts of money to take pictures of Snow White when he could easily just do it himself from afar?
Bigby is literally the only form of law enforcement Fabletown has. Who else would Toad call to deal with a huge brute smashing his apartment up? What does it matter if it was past midnight?
That doesn't necessarily mean she was going to the Open Arms. Also, what does it matter what she did after dropping off the head? Aren't we only concerned about what she did before then?
Evidently, word doesn't always get out as evidenced by the fact that one of Georgie's employees was able to sneak a head up to the Woodlands without him knowing. Georgie's line about hearing stuff about his business was a response to Bigby asking him about the murders. Of course he would say something vague like "word gets out." He's not just going to admit to murder right there.
The only thing that the Crooked Man and Bloody Mary want from Crane is his money, as shown by the answering machine message you hear. He most certainly did have the time for Snow as evidenced by the fact that he was always getting "massages."
That was an apartment owned by Mr. Toad. Why would there be more Mundies there than Fables? The point is that causing such a ruckus would guarantee that Bigby would show up.
What are you talking about? The note from Lily to Faith was left at the Pudding N' Pie. My timeline has her finding the note before the game even begins. The Open Arms has nothing to do with this.
Everything you mentioned is an assumption and a guess. We already have facts that Crooked Man tells Georgie everything. Remember the line "W… morehen word gets out, I hear about it especially when it concerns my livelihood."? Beast or Beauty also say "word gets out".
The reason he can't focus on Snow is because he would be killed by Bloody Mary if he disobeyed the Crooked Man's orders. To put it short he wouldn't have time, which is exactly what the Crooked Man wants as said by Nerissa and the Butcher.
Like I said Toad calls Bigby very often, that's why Bigby says he wished Toad would like his privacy. After midnight in a place where there are few fables and more mundies, mundies wouldn't call Bigby.
If she didn't than she never read the note from Lily to Faith, which also means she didn't go to Woody's till after dropping Faith's head.
Snow was in the Business Office more than Crane. The only time Crane had time he was at his room at the Open Arms. How do you explain Crane's coat being bloody also, and what Johann told you?
Crane was ordered to spy on fables and report back so that the Crooked Man could gain more money. That is why no one got what they wanted from the Business Office, but the Crooked Man got them in his pocket.
The neighborhood is on the outskirts of Fabletown where there are few fables and more mundies. Nerissa wouldn't go anywhere without certainty that only Bigby came is what you said. Also you seem to be forgetting that there are a lot of fables that still don't trust Bigby. Especially those that didn't see him when he freed Snow. Nerissa would only know about Bigby's past and the negative one.
When was Nerissa telling the truth than? First you say after the trial, but your timeline contradicts it. I'm honestly curious.
Also what you should have noticed about all the photos in the game have the same edges. Also the mirror when focusing on someone blackens out most of the background from time to time which makes taking pictures awful.
One last thing, why was Jack stealing glamours and his bag wind up in presumably Nerissa's hands. Also there is enough evidence that Jack knows who is supposedly Nerissa. One is really hard to notice.
Evidently, word doesn't always get out as evidenced by the fact that one of Georgie's employees was able to sneak a head up to the Woodlands… more without him knowing. Georgie's line about hearing stuff about his business was a response to Bigby asking him about the murders. Of course he would say something vague like "word gets out." He's not just going to admit to murder right there.
The only thing that the Crooked Man and Bloody Mary want from Crane is his money, as shown by the answering machine message you hear. He most certainly did have the time for Snow as evidenced by the fact that he was always getting "massages."
That was an apartment owned by Mr. Toad. Why would there be more Mundies there than Fables? The point is that causing such a ruckus would guarantee that Bigby would show up.
What are you talking about? The note from Lily to Faith was left at the Pudding N' Pie. My timeline has her finding the note before the game even begins. The Open Arms has nothing to do with this.
Crane never does any of his work, giving him plenty of time to go snooping around and taking pictures of Snow. It's not like it would have taken very long. An hour or two one weekend is all he needs. The Crooked Man doesn't have such a stranglehold on Crane that he doesn't have the time to take two pictures.
All she would have to know is that it's Toad's apartment to know that he would probably be the one calling the authorities. Even with Bigby's reputation, he's still the sheriff and Faith is still a dead Fable. He at least has the responsibility to investigate. She only dropped Faith's head off after meeting him. I'm sure if he turned out to be an irresponsible jerk when he showed up, she may not have bothered.
All Nerissa said was that she tried to warn Lily after Faith died, but Lily wasn't at her usual appointment. If this appointment is the one with Woody, there are two ways she could have known that Lilly wasn't there. Either she went there herself or she found the note that Lilly left for Faith. How does my timeline contradict this?
The photos have the same edges? What does that have to do with anything? Two photos having a white edge automatically means that they're taken by the same person?
Glamours and other magical items are expensive. He was just trying to sell them. What makes you say his bag winds up in Nerissa's hands?
Snow was in the Business Office more than Crane. The only time Crane had time he was at his room at the Open Arms. How do you explain Crane'… mores coat being bloody also, and what Johann told you?
Crane was ordered to spy on fables and report back so that the Crooked Man could gain more money. That is why no one got what they wanted from the Business Office, but the Crooked Man got them in his pocket.
The neighborhood is on the outskirts of Fabletown where there are few fables and more mundies. Nerissa wouldn't go anywhere without certainty that only Bigby came is what you said. Also you seem to be forgetting that there are a lot of fables that still don't trust Bigby. Especially those that didn't see him when he freed Snow. Nerissa would only know about Bigby's past and the negative one.
When was Nerissa telling the truth than? First you say after the trial, but your timeline contradicts it. I'm honestly curious.
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I let her go. The only bad thing she did was glamouring herself as another Fable (Faith or Nerissa depending on what theory you believe), which isn't even illegal.
I think you're making baseless assumptions about my POV. The point is that Narissa (or whomever you want to think it is) was using you and f… moreed you a bunch of lies about the Crooked Man. She even admits that at the end. Yet she still doesn't want to be completely honest with you, even when the ribbon is off.
"Projection of his own insecurity over his failure to grasp of the plot." I love when pseudo-intellectuals like yourself try too hard to sound intelligent, and fall on their face grammatically. Keep up the condescending BS though.
He wouldn't have time since Snow would notice what he's doing by the mirror. Crane would rather focus on being alive than doing what could cost him his job and life.
Now you are not making any sense. With fables not trusting Bigby they all fell into the Crooked Man's trap, meaning they could have called Bigby but didn't. Also Nerissa doesn't know Toad.
She said "After dropping Faith's head I went to warn Lily, but she wasn't at her scheduled appointment." You are relying too much on chance in your timeline.
You already said that the photos were at Crane's before they were in room 207, someone who knows how to break in had to have taken the photos. Faith stole the one with Crane and Lily, hence she knew either how to break in or knew who could break in (Jack). Nerissa to get the 2 additional photos would need to ask someone (Jack). Jack lies to you every single time you talk to him. Also remember that the tubes are empty, which means Jack wouldn't be able to sell them just like that. Every detail of the bag says it's the same one. Fables don't travel often is one indication.
How do you explain the bruises on Faith's head if she was killed before episode 1? Because Georgie's bat wouldn't make the bruise around the eyes, or the lip considering the angle. Also how would Nerissa's wounds heal in 36 hrs when Beast's took 48?
Crane never does any of his work, giving him plenty of time to go snooping around and taking pictures of Snow. It's not like it would have t… moreaken very long. An hour or two one weekend is all he needs. The Crooked Man doesn't have such a stranglehold on Crane that he doesn't have the time to take two pictures.
All she would have to know is that it's Toad's apartment to know that he would probably be the one calling the authorities. Even with Bigby's reputation, he's still the sheriff and Faith is still a dead Fable. He at least has the responsibility to investigate. She only dropped Faith's head off after meeting him. I'm sure if he turned out to be an irresponsible jerk when he showed up, she may not have bothered.
All Nerissa said was that she tried to warn Lily after Faith died, but Lily wasn't at her usual appointment. If this appointment is the one with Woody, there are two ways she could have known that Lilly wasn't there. Either sh… [view original content]
What's the worst possible crime that Faith could have committed? Georgie killed the two women; Crooked Man gave the order. We know those t… morewo things for a fact. So at worst, all Faith did was disguise herself as another Fable to avoid getting murdered and manipulated Bigby into dealing with a crime syndicate he should have dealt with a long time ago.
You vastly overestimate how busy Crane is. Remember at end of Episode 2? Crane was all alone with the mirror and even smashed it without Snow knowing.
They still try to reach him when they need it. Beauty, Beast, Toad. They do call on Bigby if the occassion calls for it. Nerissa doesn't have to know Toad personally to know that he owns the apartment complex.
No, you're wrong. Play the scene again. She said "That night after Faith...I tried to warn Lily." She said nothing about warning Lily after dropping off Faith's head or actually going to warn Lily. Only that she tried.
You're putting words in my mouth. I never said the photos were at Crane's. I said that Crane had them. Doesn't mean they were in his apartment. He had 207 rented out long-term. He could have kept the photos there. Glamour tubes, even if empty are still rare magical artifacts (what's why destroying Greenleaf's tree was a big deal).
How do you know that Beast's wounds took 48 hours to heal? Did you see him 36 hours after he was wounded and saw that he wasn't healed? Also, Nerissa's wounds were far less severe. The wound on the head I admit is a problem for the theory. But it's also a problem for the alternate theory. If it was really Faith and she glamoured the head to look like hers, why would the bruises be there?
He wouldn't have time since Snow would notice what he's doing by the mirror. Crane would rather focus on being alive than doing what could c… moreost him his job and life.
Now you are not making any sense. With fables not trusting Bigby they all fell into the Crooked Man's trap, meaning they could have called Bigby but didn't. Also Nerissa doesn't know Toad.
She said "After dropping Faith's head I went to warn Lily, but she wasn't at her scheduled appointment." You are relying too much on chance in your timeline.
You already said that the photos were at Crane's before they were in room 207, someone who knows how to break in had to have taken the photos. Faith stole the one with Crane and Lily, hence she knew either how to break in or knew who could break in (Jack). Nerissa to get the 2 additional photos would need to ask someone (Jack). Jack lies to you every single time you talk to him. Also remember that the tubes are empty, which means … [view original content]
Let's start with the last. Faith could have taken a photo of herself after fighting the Woodsman, meaning the glamour would make the wound impressions with a picture, just like Lily's glamour copied Snow's skintone. There is no problem with the Faith theory considering the bruises, it has an explanation of when she glamoured Nerissa as well as what she used. It also fits both MOs Faith sneaking out of tough situations, and Nerissa's tendency to make sacrifices.
Crane wouldn't have reported an incriminating photo missing to the Tweedles if he had it in his hotel room and knew about it, also he wouldn't want to incriminate himself since he knows that if Bigby sensed something Bigby would just bust through a door.
That night... we know she went to drop the head at the Woodlands immediately, she would have watched to know only Snow and Bigby saw the head before she went anywhere. We also know it was before the Business Office was open. The time only makes sense if she went immediately considering the circumstances.
I know what you wrote earlier and you also know it wouldn't make sense or safe. And that's the only time he had during the entire game. Crane would be more concerned about his life, and would want to keep his fantasy a secret. Or are you forgetting what Jack said.
You vastly overestimate how busy Crane is. Remember at end of Episode 2? Crane was all alone with the mirror and even smashed it without Sno… morew knowing.
They still try to reach him when they need it. Beauty, Beast, Toad. They do call on Bigby if the occassion calls for it. Nerissa doesn't have to know Toad personally to know that he owns the apartment complex.
No, you're wrong. Play the scene again. She said "That night after Faith...I tried to warn Lily." She said nothing about warning Lily after dropping off Faith's head or actually going to warn Lily. Only that she tried.
You're putting words in my mouth. I never said the photos were at Crane's. I said that Crane had them. Doesn't mean they were in his apartment. He had 207 rented out long-term. He could have kept the photos there. Glamour tubes, even if empty are still rare magical artifacts (what's why destroying Greenleaf's tree was a big deal).
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With all the questions I had at that moment I tried following her on my first run, but I think that letting her go is the more satisfying conclusion of the two.
Glamours need to be specifically made by a witch who knows magic like Aunty Greenleaf. Any random person can't just pick up a glamour tube, put the right items inside and make a glamour. Faith didn't know any magic. So unless after fighting with Bigby, she took a quick selfie, rushed over to Greenleaf to have her make a glamour, and then rushed back to give the glamour to Nerissa right before Georgie killed her, she couldn't have done what you are suggesting.
Okay fine, so let's say that Crane did leave the photos in his apartment and Faith did hire Jack to sneak in there and steal it. It doesn't mean that she couldn't have taken the other two photos as well. They were in the same envelope. Crane just specifically wanted the one with Lily back because it incriminated him. Neither Faith nor Nerissa would have any reason to steal the other two photos if they already had the one with Crane and Lilly. So it makes the most sense for the photos to have been stolen together at the same time.
No. We don't know that she went to drop off the head immediately. That's just your guess at the timeline. There's nothing supporting that. In fact, Nerissa's words at the end imply that the first thing she wanted to do after Faith died was warn Lily. It was only after she realized that she couldn't warn Lily in time that she dropped off the head. Watch the scene again. Unless Lily had a second appointment that night that wasn't written down in the ledger, the appointment that that Lily wasn't there for was the one with Woody. This means that Faith died before Lily's appointment with Woody, which supports my timeline.
This is the same Crane who left a key to his room at the Open Arms on his desk. Like Snow said, he was never that smart. And his obsession with Snow was so bad that the first thing he does when he hears about the murders is get a "massage." The man wasn't thinking straight. He would have used every opportunity at his disposal to stalk Snow.
Let's start with the last. Faith could have taken a photo of herself after fighting the Woodsman, meaning the glamour would make the wound i… morempressions with a picture, just like Lily's glamour copied Snow's skintone. There is no problem with the Faith theory considering the bruises, it has an explanation of when she glamoured Nerissa as well as what she used. It also fits both MOs Faith sneaking out of tough situations, and Nerissa's tendency to make sacrifices.
Crane wouldn't have reported an incriminating photo missing to the Tweedles if he had it in his hotel room and knew about it, also he wouldn't want to incriminate himself since he knows that if Bigby sensed something Bigby would just bust through a door.
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You are grasping for straws. Even contradicting the evidence we know is there.
Remember the line "Anyone with the proper ingredients and knowledge could theoretically produce a glamour."? There were books at Lawrence's apartment yet it is unknown how many there actually were.
Faith would have additional reason because the first time she met Bigby was the same time she met Snow. She would know Bigby would be more drawn to the case if it involved Snow. Also an entire envelope is very hard to hide, unless it was under a coat.
Faith couldn't have died before anyone went to Woody's because Lily would have been killed the moment she entered the club to tell Faith or Nerissa glamoured as Faith. Drop that guess. "Let's talk before you go over to the apartment", I know you remembered that. That note means Lily was at the club until either Nerissa or Faith left, and that also means she would be dead if your timeline theory was true.
True he ain't that smart. Crane ain't stupid either since he took a piece of the mirror. We know Crane was spying on everyone with a particular interest in both Bigby and Snow. We only find out the extent when we read the comics. First he would want to survive, because he knows that if he doesn't give Bloody Mary what she wants he won't get what he wants at the club. He wants to live out his fantasies, and Bufkin talks to the mirror most often.
Glamours need to be specifically made by a witch who knows magic like Aunty Greenleaf. Any random person can't just pick up a glamour tube, … moreput the right items inside and make a glamour. Faith didn't know any magic. So unless after fighting with Bigby, she took a quick selfie, rushed over to Greenleaf to have her make a glamour, and then rushed back to give the glamour to Nerissa right before Georgie killed her, she couldn't have done what you are suggesting.
Okay fine, so let's say that Crane did leave the photos in his apartment and Faith did hire Jack to sneak in there and steal it. It doesn't mean that she couldn't have taken the other two photos as well. They were in the same envelope. Crane just specifically wanted the one with Lily back because it incriminated him. Neither Faith nor Nerissa would have any reason to steal the other two photos if they already had the one with Crane and Lilly. So it makes the most sense for the photos … [view original content]
There is nothing to suggest that Faith had any magical knowledge. In her origin story, it was someone else who casted magical enchantments on her. She isn't a witch. You are assuming that Faith had knowledge of magic based solely on the fact that her husband kept a lot of books at his apartment. That is grasping at straws.
Faith...never met Snow. I have no idea where you're getting that. Also, who said anybody needed to hide the envelope? If it was taken from Crane's apartment while he wasn't there, what would be the need to hide it? You're not making any sense.
Georgie had to lure Lily to the Open Arms to kill her rather than do so at the Pudding and Pie because, as a troll, she could have put up a fight against him whereas Faith could not. Think about it for a second. Why else do you think he waited so long and planned this elaborate murder, telling her to dress up as Snow and having her lie on the bed like the fairytale book?
None of what you just said suggests that Crane couldn't have taken those photos. Aside from Bufkin, Snow, and Bigby, Crane was the one with the most access to the mirror.
You are grasping for straws. Even contradicting the evidence we know is there.
Remember the line "Anyone with the proper ingredients and … moreknowledge could theoretically produce a glamour."? There were books at Lawrence's apartment yet it is unknown how many there actually were.
Faith would have additional reason because the first time she met Bigby was the same time she met Snow. She would know Bigby would be more drawn to the case if it involved Snow. Also an entire envelope is very hard to hide, unless it was under a coat.
Faith couldn't have died before anyone went to Woody's because Lily would have been killed the moment she entered the club to tell Faith or Nerissa glamoured as Faith. Drop that guess. "Let's talk before you go over to the apartment", I know you remembered that. That note means Lily was at the club until either Nerissa or Faith left, and that also means she would be dead if your timeline theory was true.
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Bufkin would have noticed unless he got his hands on booze since he sleeps at the Business Office. The photos are all taken outside except for the incriminating one.
I already told you that Snow recognized Faith's head from before the murder. "I recognize her, but I can't place her though". Also the tarot card matches one of "Faith's" lines, "What's the matter Bigby... tempted to take a bite".
Georgie certainly didn't tell Lily to put on a Snow White dress, and you already said only Crane had the key to 207. Crane is the one that has a fantasy about Snow and acts it out with Lily. If all the photos were stolen before the murder than there would only be 2 considering what Lily was wearing and the time "Nerissa" looked for her. The only photo of the real Snow was the one taken in winter. Remember that the buttons don't match.
Also why would Nerissa need something she already has, as the evidence at The Cut Above clearly shows.
There is nothing to suggest that Faith had any magical knowledge. In her origin story, it was someone else who casted magical enchantments o… moren her. She isn't a witch. You are assuming that Faith had knowledge of magic based solely on the fact that her husband kept a lot of books at his apartment. That is grasping at straws.
Faith...never met Snow. I have no idea where you're getting that. Also, who said anybody needed to hide the envelope? If it was taken from Crane's apartment while he wasn't there, what would be the need to hide it? You're not making any sense.
Georgie had to lure Lily to the Open Arms to kill her rather than do so at the Pudding and Pie because, as a troll, she could have put up a fight against him whereas Faith could not. Think about it for a second. Why else do you think he waited so long and planned this elaborate murder, telling her to dress up as Snow and having her lie on the bed like the fairytale book?
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Bufkin doesn't just hang around the Mirror all the time. Why do you find it so hard to believe that Crane would have some time to himself to use the Mirror? Jersey Devil says that he even uses it to locate the Crooked Man. And if Bufkin does hang around the mirror all the time, he would see anyone using the Mirror to take pictures of Snow. So if Crane couldn't have taken those pictures because Bufkin was around to notice, no one else would have been able to do so either.
Snow said that Faith "looked familiar" but she wasn't even sure whether or not Faith was a Fable. That hardly means the met. The tarot card has nothing to do with anything so I don't know why you brought it up.
Lily wasn't killed in the Snow white dress. Bigby said so himself. The Snow White dress was from her previous encounter with Crane, as depicted in the photo that Faith took. We don't know that Crane had the only key to 207. Georgie holds all the keys. You don't think he would keep a spare around? Do you deny that Lily was killed by Georgie in Room 207? If not, there he must have had a way into the room.
Your thoughts are very scattered and disorganized. Try to stick to one line of evidence at a time. You'll be less confused that way.
Bufkin would have noticed unless he got his hands on booze since he sleeps at the Business Office. The photos are all taken outside except f… moreor the incriminating one.
I already told you that Snow recognized Faith's head from before the murder. "I recognize her, but I can't place her though". Also the tarot card matches one of "Faith's" lines, "What's the matter Bigby... tempted to take a bite".
Georgie certainly didn't tell Lily to put on a Snow White dress, and you already said only Crane had the key to 207. Crane is the one that has a fantasy about Snow and acts it out with Lily. If all the photos were stolen before the murder than there would only be 2 considering what Lily was wearing and the time "Nerissa" looked for her. The only photo of the real Snow was the one taken in winter. Remember that the buttons don't match.
Also why would Nerissa need something she already has, as the evidence at The Cut Above clearly shows.
I already said that the only time Crane would have time to use the mirror is when either Bufkin is sleeping or drunk, drunk Bufkin is more likely which gives him time to save his ass and only just save his ass. I also said Georgie has the keys to room 207. Take pictures of the chalkboard next time you go to the Butcher first, and also take pictures of the ingredients. Lets both get some rest.
By the way we might even convince Telltale to give us an answer on the theories.
Bufkin doesn't just hang around the Mirror all the time. Why do you find it so hard to believe that Crane would have some time to himself to… more use the Mirror? Jersey Devil says that he even uses it to locate the Crooked Man. And if Bufkin does hang around the mirror all the time, he would see anyone using the Mirror to take pictures of Snow. So if Crane couldn't have taken those pictures because Bufkin was around to notice, no one else would have been able to do so either.
Snow said that Faith "looked familiar" but she wasn't even sure whether or not Faith was a Fable. That hardly means the met. The tarot card has nothing to do with anything so I don't know why you brought it up.
Lily wasn't killed in the Snow white dress. Bigby said so himself. The Snow White dress was from her previous encounter with Crane, as depicted in the photo that Faith took. We don't know that Crane had the only key to 207. Georgie holds all the keys. You don't t… [view original content]
You have to follow her. Unless you're a fool who does anything for a pretty face. Oh wait, I forgot that the majority of players gave all their money to a prostitute in episode one for no reason. lmao
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No, the Fables were merely giving Snow their trust to do her job. They didn't find CM guilty until Nerissa came in and started spewing lies.
Awesome, five other lying prostitutes. That should help us find the truth! You keep missing the point that you can't just make crap up at a trail just because you don't like a person.
There is no way to have a discussion about this with you. Nerissa is an angel who can do no wrong in your eyes. According to you she has every right to lie to law enforcement, provide false evidence at a trial and keep important details of the case a secret. (post ribbon coming off)
They did find the Crooked Man guilty of the other charges, because it focused on their trust of Snow, Bigby, and eachother. If Nerissa came in she lied a lot and everyone agreed with her false testimony of hearing the Crooked Man, however if it was Faith she lied when she said 5 other prostitutes would back her up and after the trial. It is best to go after whoever we talked to.
What would be the point of the audible thought-process of Bigby at the very end then?
I mean I was the least confrontational and most polite I could be throughout this entire game, cute prostitute or not.
This is like arguing that Deep Sea Divers deserve to get eaten by Sharks if it happens.... "They chose that line of work." How do legalities play into your human decency? Also your point that "it happens often in that line of work"? People also get mugged and killed while minding their own business pretty often..
You seem to have lost track of the argument. The point was that the Fables wanted The Crooked Man gone, which they clearly showed by lining up beside Snow as she was talking about putting him away.
The point is that there is no way for Bigby to convict Nerissa of anything given the dearth of evidence he has, We already know the truth is that she lied.
Yeah, I'm going to take that as "No, I have no theory as to what nefarious scheme Nerissa could possibly be involved in; I'm just suspicious of her because reasons." She admitted to the one crime she could have committed when there was no reason to and whatever detail that she omits doesn't change the fact that it was Georgie who killed the girls and the Crooked Man who gave the orders. That is what the case is about. Not one prostitute glamouring herself up an another.
It was just him working through everything and coming to a realization of who she was. Telltale purposefully left it ambiguous by including quotes that support both the Faith and Nerissa theories. However, the evidence beyond the quotes, like Faith's smashed in make-up box and the fact that Nerissa talked about her Fable origin but Faith never did, leads me to believer that the Nerissa theory is more plausible. Not to say the Faith theory is impossible, just less likely.
The line we hear contradicts the entry. There is actually less that supports the Nerissa whole time theory. The box was broken open after the head was dropped at the Woodlands, we know this because the Tweedles searched for the photo of Crane and Lily together. The photo is the only decisive evidence there is.
Pay attention to what was broken in (the makeup box and jewlery boxes) and what was beside it (the note from Lily). The chain of events that seem most plausible here is that after Nerissa saw Faith die, she decided to leave her head at the Woodlands to get Bigby's attention so that he would get justice for her.
But if she just left a head there, Bigby would have no idea whose head it was and would have no idea how to pursue the case. So she broke into Faith's jewlery box and took out her ring, hoping that it would identify her. But then she also stumbled upon the note left by Lily thanking Faith for covering for her. So she glamoured herself up as Faith, put Faith's ring on, and went to see Woody, knowing that the angry drunk would cause trouble and force Bigby to come down there and deal with him.
By meeting with Bigby, she clued him in to the fact that she was a prostitute and by leaving Faith's ring in her mouth, she clued him into her identity. Both key pieces of evidence that led Bigby to the Puddind & Pie, where Nerissa would be waiting for her chance to guide him further towards "what he was looking for."
Tell me what your prediction of timeline is until Snow discovers the head at the doorstep to the Woodlands.
Also how do you explain Nerissa knowing where the photos were taken from.
I literally just bought and played that part of L.A. Noire today, a few hours ago.
Faith probably told her about it. They were in on the plan to escape together. If Faith got some "leverage," it would make sense that she shared it with the others.
As for the timeline, it would look something like:
Most excellent, enjoy the game!
I followed her.
That is an impossible timeline because of the pictures at the foundry. Georgie would have killed Nerissa if Nerissa glamoured herself as Faith because he would think he's being played around. We already know how fast everyone knows Bigby will be at their doorstep.
There is more than that though, Nerissa doesn't know anything about Toad who called because of what was going on. And Nerissa never met Bigby earlier, and considering her story she wouldn't even think of messing around. Funny how you mentioned "leverage" since that could only mean Faith was planning to get Bigby involved.
How do you explain the line "I thought I could do this" since Nerissa would never use that line based on her story. Also everyone including "Nerissa" mentioned only one photo. Take a look next time you replay episode 5 to look at the opposite side of the photos, Nerissa wouldn't know where to look for the 2 other photos since the only place they could be is in a box in which 3 are marked Bigby Wolf and 1 marked Snow White.
Also "Nerissa" said that she went straight from the Woodlands to the Open Arms, and we also know she didn't go there twice since she didn't know Lily was killed there. Also why didn't Nerissa write a letter to Lily at Lily's funeral, she would have written more than anyone else considering she regarded Lily as her friend.
I do agree that Faith talked to Nerissa and Lily about one photo.
What do the pictures at the foundry have to do with anything? I didn't see anything indicating when they were taken or who they were taken by. Of course Nerissa didn't glamour herself up as Faith in front of Georgie. I would imagine that immediately after killing Faith, he would have gone to dispose of her body or to plan out Lilly's murder.
She doesn't have to know anything about Toad. She knew that Woody would cause a huge disturbance and that someone would eventually call Bigby over to deal with him. She didn't have to know anything about Bigby. Just that he was the sheriff. All she wanted to do was drop hints for him and maybe get his sympathy. The leverage that Faith wanted was over the Crooked Man and Georgie. It doesn't involve Bigby at all.
She meant that she thought it would be easier to lead Bigby to find Faith's killer. Which photos are you talking about? The ones in room 207? Those are pictures that Crane took. He was obsessed with Snow so he stalked her and snapped pictures of her. The one that Faith took was the one with Crane and Lily. That was the incriminating one.
When did she say she went straight from the Woodlands to the Open Arms? And of course she knew Lily was killed there. That's why she sent Bigby there!
There are 3 photos taken of Bigby with "Faith" found at the foundry, you also said she wouldn't glamour up in front of Georgie yet those photos at the foundry would reach Georgie's hands the moment Bloody Mary was called.
Crane didn't take the photos we find in room 207, since he was supposed to look into all of Fabletown's citizens as clearly mentioned by Johann the Butcher. Also judging by the amount of money Crane owed, he most likely got Bloody Mary to take pictures, or whoever owns the red car parked in front of Toad's apartment in episode 1.
She would have to know about Toad always calling Bigby. Faith certainly knew this since Toad's words clearly say he knew Faith and repossession only happens when someone can't afford to pay the rent. Also Woody doesn't read books, but Faith does based on Lawrence's apartment. Also it was past midnight when Bigby arrived at Toad's in episode 1.
Do you remember this line "After dropping of Faith's head I went straight away to warn Lily, but she wasn't at her scheduled appointment."
I wish there had been 1 more dialouge choice, with the decision being in the end percentages. Say the end goes like this..
"You're not as bad as they say you are"
-quotes run through Bigby's head as Nerissa walks away
-He goes after her (no follow/walk away option). Dialouge choice comes up:
"Nerissa!" "..Faith!"
"Hey!" "..."
Black screen right after he says it. Would have been interesting to see what people's first reaction to that was
I only remember one photo of Faith and Bigby at the foundry. And even then it's not like the Crooked Man and Georgie tell each other everything. The Crooked Man may not have known that Georgie killed Faith prior to that picture with Bigby and thus not known that it was actually Nerissa.
Why does Crane's looking into Fabletown citizens mean that he didn't take the photos. He had a huge obsession with Snow White. Why would Crane pay The Crooked Man extraordinary amounts of money to take pictures of Snow White when he could easily just do it himself from afar?
Bigby is literally the only form of law enforcement Fabletown has. Who else would Toad call to deal with a huge brute smashing his apartment up? What does it matter if it was past midnight?
That doesn't necessarily mean she was going to the Open Arms. Also, what does it matter what she did after dropping off the head? Aren't we only concerned about what she did before then?
I didn't mean it literally.
I have already said as much.
The Crooked Man tried to kidnap the Deputy Mayor of Fable Town. He can argue that he had good intentions all that he wants, but that doesn't make it okay to just decide to kidnap someone, let alone a Fabletown official. When Bigby and Snow interfered with the kidnapping, the CM let his minions take Crane through violent force. When Bigby later goes to his lair to arrest him, the CM decides to have his minions attempt to kill Bigby once he realized that he was not going to be able to talk his way out of an arrest.
So just with those charges, we have the kidnap of acting Mayor of Fabletown, attempted murder on Bigby x2, attempted murder on Snow, assault on Fabltown officials, and resisting arrest. Those are violent actions of Treason.
Everything you mentioned is an assumption and a guess. We already have facts that Crooked Man tells Georgie everything. Remember the line "When word gets out, I hear about it especially when it concerns my livelihood."? Beast or Beauty also say "word gets out".
The reason he can't focus on Snow is because he would be killed by Bloody Mary if he disobeyed the Crooked Man's orders. To put it short he wouldn't have time, which is exactly what the Crooked Man wants as said by Nerissa and the Butcher.
Like I said Toad calls Bigby very often, that's why Bigby says he wished Toad would like his privacy. After midnight in a place where there are few fables and more mundies, mundies wouldn't call Bigby.
If she didn't than she never read the note from Lily to Faith, which also means she didn't go to Woody's till after dropping Faith's head.
Followed her.
Evidently, word doesn't always get out as evidenced by the fact that one of Georgie's employees was able to sneak a head up to the Woodlands without him knowing. Georgie's line about hearing stuff about his business was a response to Bigby asking him about the murders. Of course he would say something vague like "word gets out." He's not just going to admit to murder right there.
The only thing that the Crooked Man and Bloody Mary want from Crane is his money, as shown by the answering machine message you hear. He most certainly did have the time for Snow as evidenced by the fact that he was always getting "massages."
That was an apartment owned by Mr. Toad. Why would there be more Mundies there than Fables? The point is that causing such a ruckus would guarantee that Bigby would show up.
What are you talking about? The note from Lily to Faith was left at the Pudding N' Pie. My timeline has her finding the note before the game even begins. The Open Arms has nothing to do with this.
Snow was in the Business Office more than Crane. The only time Crane had time he was at his room at the Open Arms. How do you explain Crane's coat being bloody also, and what Johann told you?
Crane was ordered to spy on fables and report back so that the Crooked Man could gain more money. That is why no one got what they wanted from the Business Office, but the Crooked Man got them in his pocket.
The neighborhood is on the outskirts of Fabletown where there are few fables and more mundies. Nerissa wouldn't go anywhere without certainty that only Bigby came is what you said. Also you seem to be forgetting that there are a lot of fables that still don't trust Bigby. Especially those that didn't see him when he freed Snow. Nerissa would only know about Bigby's past and the negative one.
When was Nerissa telling the truth than? First you say after the trial, but your timeline contradicts it. I'm honestly curious.
Also what you should have noticed about all the photos in the game have the same edges. Also the mirror when focusing on someone blackens out most of the background from time to time which makes taking pictures awful.
One last thing, why was Jack stealing glamours and his bag wind up in presumably Nerissa's hands. Also there is enough evidence that Jack knows who is supposedly Nerissa. One is really hard to notice.
Crane never does any of his work, giving him plenty of time to go snooping around and taking pictures of Snow. It's not like it would have taken very long. An hour or two one weekend is all he needs. The Crooked Man doesn't have such a stranglehold on Crane that he doesn't have the time to take two pictures.
All she would have to know is that it's Toad's apartment to know that he would probably be the one calling the authorities. Even with Bigby's reputation, he's still the sheriff and Faith is still a dead Fable. He at least has the responsibility to investigate. She only dropped Faith's head off after meeting him. I'm sure if he turned out to be an irresponsible jerk when he showed up, she may not have bothered.
All Nerissa said was that she tried to warn Lily after Faith died, but Lily wasn't at her usual appointment. If this appointment is the one with Woody, there are two ways she could have known that Lilly wasn't there. Either she went there herself or she found the note that Lilly left for Faith. How does my timeline contradict this?
The photos have the same edges? What does that have to do with anything? Two photos having a white edge automatically means that they're taken by the same person?
Glamours and other magical items are expensive. He was just trying to sell them. What makes you say his bag winds up in Nerissa's hands?
Could the downvoter at least explain why they disagree with what I did?
The fact Nerissa lied didn't really matter to me, because Georgie confessed TCM gave the order.
He wouldn't have time since Snow would notice what he's doing by the mirror. Crane would rather focus on being alive than doing what could cost him his job and life.
Now you are not making any sense. With fables not trusting Bigby they all fell into the Crooked Man's trap, meaning they could have called Bigby but didn't. Also Nerissa doesn't know Toad.
She said "After dropping Faith's head I went to warn Lily, but she wasn't at her scheduled appointment." You are relying too much on chance in your timeline.
You already said that the photos were at Crane's before they were in room 207, someone who knows how to break in had to have taken the photos. Faith stole the one with Crane and Lily, hence she knew either how to break in or knew who could break in (Jack). Nerissa to get the 2 additional photos would need to ask someone (Jack). Jack lies to you every single time you talk to him. Also remember that the tubes are empty, which means Jack wouldn't be able to sell them just like that. Every detail of the bag says it's the same one. Fables don't travel often is one indication.
How do you explain the bruises on Faith's head if she was killed before episode 1? Because Georgie's bat wouldn't make the bruise around the eyes, or the lip considering the angle. Also how would Nerissa's wounds heal in 36 hrs when Beast's took 48?
And what about falsely accusing someone when they were deciding whether to let him live?
You vastly overestimate how busy Crane is. Remember at end of Episode 2? Crane was all alone with the mirror and even smashed it without Snow knowing.
They still try to reach him when they need it. Beauty, Beast, Toad. They do call on Bigby if the occassion calls for it. Nerissa doesn't have to know Toad personally to know that he owns the apartment complex.
No, you're wrong. Play the scene again. She said "That night after Faith...I tried to warn Lily." She said nothing about warning Lily after dropping off Faith's head or actually going to warn Lily. Only that she tried.
You're putting words in my mouth. I never said the photos were at Crane's. I said that Crane had them. Doesn't mean they were in his apartment. He had 207 rented out long-term. He could have kept the photos there. Glamour tubes, even if empty are still rare magical artifacts (what's why destroying Greenleaf's tree was a big deal).
How do you know that Beast's wounds took 48 hours to heal? Did you see him 36 hours after he was wounded and saw that he wasn't healed? Also, Nerissa's wounds were far less severe. The wound on the head I admit is a problem for the theory. But it's also a problem for the alternate theory. If it was really Faith and she glamoured the head to look like hers, why would the bruises be there?
Let's start with the last. Faith could have taken a photo of herself after fighting the Woodsman, meaning the glamour would make the wound impressions with a picture, just like Lily's glamour copied Snow's skintone. There is no problem with the Faith theory considering the bruises, it has an explanation of when she glamoured Nerissa as well as what she used. It also fits both MOs Faith sneaking out of tough situations, and Nerissa's tendency to make sacrifices.
Crane wouldn't have reported an incriminating photo missing to the Tweedles if he had it in his hotel room and knew about it, also he wouldn't want to incriminate himself since he knows that if Bigby sensed something Bigby would just bust through a door.
That night... we know she went to drop the head at the Woodlands immediately, she would have watched to know only Snow and Bigby saw the head before she went anywhere. We also know it was before the Business Office was open. The time only makes sense if she went immediately considering the circumstances.
I know what you wrote earlier and you also know it wouldn't make sense or safe. And that's the only time he had during the entire game. Crane would be more concerned about his life, and would want to keep his fantasy a secret. Or are you forgetting what Jack said.
With all the questions I had at that moment I tried following her on my first run, but I think that letting her go is the more satisfying conclusion of the two.
Glamours need to be specifically made by a witch who knows magic like Aunty Greenleaf. Any random person can't just pick up a glamour tube, put the right items inside and make a glamour. Faith didn't know any magic. So unless after fighting with Bigby, she took a quick selfie, rushed over to Greenleaf to have her make a glamour, and then rushed back to give the glamour to Nerissa right before Georgie killed her, she couldn't have done what you are suggesting.
Okay fine, so let's say that Crane did leave the photos in his apartment and Faith did hire Jack to sneak in there and steal it. It doesn't mean that she couldn't have taken the other two photos as well. They were in the same envelope. Crane just specifically wanted the one with Lily back because it incriminated him. Neither Faith nor Nerissa would have any reason to steal the other two photos if they already had the one with Crane and Lilly. So it makes the most sense for the photos to have been stolen together at the same time.
No. We don't know that she went to drop off the head immediately. That's just your guess at the timeline. There's nothing supporting that. In fact, Nerissa's words at the end imply that the first thing she wanted to do after Faith died was warn Lily. It was only after she realized that she couldn't warn Lily in time that she dropped off the head. Watch the scene again. Unless Lily had a second appointment that night that wasn't written down in the ledger, the appointment that that Lily wasn't there for was the one with Woody. This means that Faith died before Lily's appointment with Woody, which supports my timeline.
This is the same Crane who left a key to his room at the Open Arms on his desk. Like Snow said, he was never that smart. And his obsession with Snow was so bad that the first thing he does when he hears about the murders is get a "massage." The man wasn't thinking straight. He would have used every opportunity at his disposal to stalk Snow.
You are grasping for straws. Even contradicting the evidence we know is there.
Remember the line "Anyone with the proper ingredients and knowledge could theoretically produce a glamour."? There were books at Lawrence's apartment yet it is unknown how many there actually were.
Faith would have additional reason because the first time she met Bigby was the same time she met Snow. She would know Bigby would be more drawn to the case if it involved Snow. Also an entire envelope is very hard to hide, unless it was under a coat.
Faith couldn't have died before anyone went to Woody's because Lily would have been killed the moment she entered the club to tell Faith or Nerissa glamoured as Faith. Drop that guess. "Let's talk before you go over to the apartment", I know you remembered that. That note means Lily was at the club until either Nerissa or Faith left, and that also means she would be dead if your timeline theory was true.
True he ain't that smart. Crane ain't stupid either since he took a piece of the mirror. We know Crane was spying on everyone with a particular interest in both Bigby and Snow. We only find out the extent when we read the comics. First he would want to survive, because he knows that if he doesn't give Bloody Mary what she wants he won't get what he wants at the club. He wants to live out his fantasies, and Bufkin talks to the mirror most often.
There is nothing to suggest that Faith had any magical knowledge. In her origin story, it was someone else who casted magical enchantments on her. She isn't a witch. You are assuming that Faith had knowledge of magic based solely on the fact that her husband kept a lot of books at his apartment. That is grasping at straws.
Faith...never met Snow. I have no idea where you're getting that. Also, who said anybody needed to hide the envelope? If it was taken from Crane's apartment while he wasn't there, what would be the need to hide it? You're not making any sense.
Georgie had to lure Lily to the Open Arms to kill her rather than do so at the Pudding and Pie because, as a troll, she could have put up a fight against him whereas Faith could not. Think about it for a second. Why else do you think he waited so long and planned this elaborate murder, telling her to dress up as Snow and having her lie on the bed like the fairytale book?
None of what you just said suggests that Crane couldn't have taken those photos. Aside from Bufkin, Snow, and Bigby, Crane was the one with the most access to the mirror.
Bufkin would have noticed unless he got his hands on booze since he sleeps at the Business Office. The photos are all taken outside except for the incriminating one.
I already told you that Snow recognized Faith's head from before the murder. "I recognize her, but I can't place her though". Also the tarot card matches one of "Faith's" lines, "What's the matter Bigby... tempted to take a bite".
Georgie certainly didn't tell Lily to put on a Snow White dress, and you already said only Crane had the key to 207. Crane is the one that has a fantasy about Snow and acts it out with Lily. If all the photos were stolen before the murder than there would only be 2 considering what Lily was wearing and the time "Nerissa" looked for her. The only photo of the real Snow was the one taken in winter. Remember that the buttons don't match.
Also why would Nerissa need something she already has, as the evidence at The Cut Above clearly shows.
Bufkin doesn't just hang around the Mirror all the time. Why do you find it so hard to believe that Crane would have some time to himself to use the Mirror? Jersey Devil says that he even uses it to locate the Crooked Man. And if Bufkin does hang around the mirror all the time, he would see anyone using the Mirror to take pictures of Snow. So if Crane couldn't have taken those pictures because Bufkin was around to notice, no one else would have been able to do so either.
Snow said that Faith "looked familiar" but she wasn't even sure whether or not Faith was a Fable. That hardly means the met. The tarot card has nothing to do with anything so I don't know why you brought it up.
Lily wasn't killed in the Snow white dress. Bigby said so himself. The Snow White dress was from her previous encounter with Crane, as depicted in the photo that Faith took. We don't know that Crane had the only key to 207. Georgie holds all the keys. You don't think he would keep a spare around? Do you deny that Lily was killed by Georgie in Room 207? If not, there he must have had a way into the room.
Your thoughts are very scattered and disorganized. Try to stick to one line of evidence at a time. You'll be less confused that way.
I already said that the only time Crane would have time to use the mirror is when either Bufkin is sleeping or drunk, drunk Bufkin is more likely which gives him time to save his ass and only just save his ass. I also said Georgie has the keys to room 207. Take pictures of the chalkboard next time you go to the Butcher first, and also take pictures of the ingredients. Lets both get some rest.
By the way we might even convince Telltale to give us an answer on the theories.
i did it because she was a hot chick so what can't sue me for having a dick