I already posted this in your "Everyone is either dead or unlikable", but I figured I might as well reply here too.
I don't agree with your reasons to dislike Bonnie. She had every right to justify Walter's murder because as she rightly says, Carver only killed him to protect his people since "Kenny could've killed us all." And let's face it; Kenny would have killed them all because he's a violent prick.
And Bonnie had no idea what she was taking her old friends back to. Judging by her reaction to Reggie's death, she honestly didn't believe Carver would've treated them so horribly. She never saw him slap Sarah remember? And she is shocked when Clem tells her Carver didn't feed any of them, and says "Bill said you'd eat every night..."
Bonnie is pretty much the only character left besides Clem and Christa(if she's alive) that I really like. She looks out for Clem and is pretty much the only adult in the group who recognises that she's just a kid, but doesn't use that as a reason to look down on her. I liked her interactions with Clem because of her cool big sis vibe (dat jacket), and she's reasonable and relatively capable. The fact that we actually got to see her backstory (something rare for Season 2 characters) through 400 days also helps.
Mike is cool too, but I'm not really attached to him. Luke and Kenny can go fuck off for all I care.
You're assuming he's been through more then? All we know is he was holed up, found by Sarita and then later found Matthew and Walter. Until … morewe're told otherwise, we have no reason to believe he's been through more than Clem during that gap.
I wouldn't be so fast to bet your life because I'd sooner die than be the kind of person to snap at a girl who was supposedly family to me for... killing a walker that was biting someone. And especially the words he used. That's the important part.
It would be relief for Clem at this point. She can't suffer any more. She just saw what could've easily been herself under different circumstances get killed by walkers and now all she's got left is the traitorous Kenny, horny Luke who doesn't care his best friend died, a baby that's fucked because it's the ZA, Carver fangirl Bonnie who is partly to blame for the group getting captured and Mike who she has no bond with whatsoever and who would've dropped h… [view original content]
Eh, it's subjective, is there really anything wrong with wishing a horrible asshole who's made people suffer gets a taste of his own medicin… moree? What if it was Carver? Under different circumstances where no little girls would be watching, it wouldn't be delaying the escape, he could just have the shitty death he deserved.
He killed Larry. Clem killed Sarita, yeah, but it wasn't intentional, whereas Kenny intended on killing Larry. I don't know why 'he' would think he's any better. Like, I understand he doesn't want to be alone again, but he was out of line.
Kenny killing them all would've been a good thing, Carver and his thugs that is, since they were just evil and dangerous. Walter had nothing to do with that one thug's death, Carver just treated him like a tool, that doesn't justify murdering someone.
She saw Carver slap Clem and just continued to be a Carver fangirl. She's told Carver killed Reggie and still persisted to be a Carver fangirl, I'm sure if he lied to her about killing him she'd have kept believing him.
Still, each to their own. I just really hate her. But my hatred for Kenny eclipses my hatred for her right now. It's not nice being betrayed like he betrayed Clem.
I already posted this in your "Everyone is either dead or unlikable", but I figured I might as well reply here too.
I don't agree with yo… moreur reasons to dislike Bonnie. She had every right to justify Walter's murder because as she rightly says, Carver only killed him to protect his people since "Kenny could've killed us all." And let's face it; Kenny would have killed them all because he's a violent prick.
And Bonnie had no idea what she was taking her old friends back to. Judging by her reaction to Reggie's death, she honestly didn't believe Carver would've treated them so horribly. She never saw him slap Sarah remember? And she is shocked when Clem tells her Carver didn't feed any of them, and says "Bill said you'd eat every night..."
Bonnie is pretty much the only character left besides Clem and Christa(if she's alive) that I really like. She looks out for Clem and is pretty much the only adult in the group who recognises that she's… [view original content]
I meant that Bonnie's not at fault for Walter's death. She clearly didn't expect the situation to escalate like that, and Carver wouldn't have killed Walter if Kenny hadn't shot his thug (Clementine says as much). Seriously, why was there no option to tell Kenny to shoot Carver immediately???
She saw Carver slap Clem and was the only one who showed concern for her, even helping her off the ground. Troy would've just kicked her back down. Also, she's the only one who checks up on Clem if she's bashed in the face by Troy's gun. Everyone else, Luke, Rebecca, they do nothing to help her.
And she stopped being a Carver fangirl pretty much the second Clem tells her about Reggie. Did you see her insanely worried expression? She didn't completely believe Clem, but she was starting to realize there was something wrong in her little paradise. That's why she went directly to Carver to confirm the truth. And I honestly doubt Bonnie would still be a Carver fangirl after her reaction to the truth about Reggie and Kenny's beating.
Everything points to Bonnie being genuinely remorseful for her actions, and I really respect her for that. She had the balls to admit straight out that she made a mistake and risked everything to make up for it. Contrast with Kenny, who never ever ever owns up to any of his own mistakes and pushes all of the blame on other people to make himself feel better.
Well, just my opinion. At least we are united in our hatred of Kenny :P
Kenny killing them all would've been a good thing, Carver and his thugs that is, since they were just evil and dangerous. Walter had nothing… more to do with that one thug's death, Carver just treated him like a tool, that doesn't justify murdering someone.
She saw Carver slap Clem and just continued to be a Carver fangirl. She's told Carver killed Reggie and still persisted to be a Carver fangirl, I'm sure if he lied to her about killing him she'd have kept believing him.
Still, each to their own. I just really hate her. But my hatred for Kenny eclipses my hatred for her right now. It's not nice being betrayed like he betrayed Clem.
Everyone is different. Everyone handle things differently. Clem is stronger than Kenny, mentally. Kenny didn't do shit to Clem, all he did was yell at her for a bit, than he gets over it.
You should get over it too.
Lee can be mean to Clem more than anyone in the whole game. Does he deserve that "horrible death"?
What about Rebecca? She was mean in 201, does she deserve a horrible death? Well she got it.
I could never love a video game character, but i like Clem a lot. I may respect Kenny, but i kicked his ass in 103 and i wanted to kick his ass when he was getting pissed in 204. Mike should've done that.
I still do not want him to die. He shouts at Clem because he is not right in the head. He lost it after Katjaa and Duck. He will never be the same.
I do think Kenny is an ass, but i would never want him to die.
How has Kenny gone through way more? Clem saw her parents' walkers right in front of her and knows they're probably still out there wanderin… moreg around as monsters, had to either shoot Lee in the head or leave him to become another walker, saw Omid get shot right in front of her with her own gun, was forced to kill a fucking dog, lost several very close friends, many of whom died right in front of her very eyes AND she's only a kid, so take how all that would affect an adult and amplify it a shitload. Kenny on the other hand? Katjaa died from a shot to the head, she won't reanimate and he got to spend time with her right until the end. Duck being left to turn is pretty harsh, Kenny having to shoot him is pretty harsh but Lee can even shoot Duck for Kenny, which he did in my playthrough. And again Kenny got to spend time with him until the end. Other than that all he's really had is Sarita dying and some friends dying, most of whom didn't even di… [view original content]
That line, "You think just because you're a little girl you can get people killed." really made me mad at Kenny. That was a low blow. I don't know if he was hinting at Lee, but Clem probably thought of Lee when he said that and you just don't do that to a little kid. Especially knowing how attached Lee and Clem were to each other and what she had to do to him.
Wow, I actually didn't remember all that. I felt bad for getting Sarita killed and felt like Kenny had some sort of right to lash out at Cle… morem, but remembering everything he did at Season 1, and how he didn't even bother to help Lee go look for Clem in ep. 5 - Fuck that guy, now I'm actually a bit mad at him for saying all the things he did to Clem, especially the "you think just because you're a little girl you can get people killed and no one will care?" part. What a major dickhead.
Oh, the lengths to which people will go to downplay the crimes of Kenny.
Kenny just yelled her for a bit? Nothing serious? More like verbally assaulted her and nearly traumatized her with his immaturity. Did you see Clem’s face while he went at it? She was terrified. You would honestly tell her to "just get over it"? The fact that his belated apology is completely optional and incredibly easy to miss doesn’t help.
I can’t remember if Lee, at any point, verbally abused Clementine in such a way, or did anything even remotely as “mean” to her. Lee would have never told Clem “oh, these people died horrible, horrible deaths, and it is all your fault”. Who the hell would ever willingly force that kind of guilt onto a little girl? A little girl who is already torn up with guilt for Lee and Omid’s deaths?
You know what, Kenny? You’re lucky. Real lucky. Lucky that Clem never brings up how you played a huge part in the deaths of Walter, Carlos, Nick, Sarah and Sarita. You’re lucky that Clem is so much more mature and rational a person than you are, isn’t someone who rubs every little mistake you’ve ever made into the gaping wounds in your heart so they can make themselves feel better at the expense of others.
And Rebecca was hostile, yes, but not only did she have a justification for her behavior, she manned up and apologized and took responsibility for her actions. Can’t say the same for ol’ Kenneth. "He is not right in the head" does not justify his bullying a child he supposedly cares about.
I liked Kenny at one point, I really did. But for me, he’s long since worn out his welcome. I feel nothing but resentment for him now. I resent him for taking the spotlight from more deserving characters. I resent him for being such a self-absorbed, pathetic douchebag who’s managed to outlive far more decent people.
Though like I already said, I do agree that Kenny doesn't deserve a horrible death. No matter what crimes a person has committed, I don't think anyone deserves a horrible death. There are characters who deserve to die, like Carver, but I don't think it would be right to condemn anyone to a slow, painful demise.
Everyone is different. Everyone handle things differently. Clem is stronger than Kenny, mentally. Kenny didn't do shit to Clem, all he did w… moreas yell at her for a bit, than he gets over it.
You should get over it too.
Lee can be mean to Clem more than anyone in the whole game. Does he deserve that "horrible death"?
What about Rebecca? She was mean in 201, does she deserve a horrible death? Well she got it.
I could never love a video game character, but i like Clem a lot. I may respect Kenny, but i kicked his ass in 103 and i wanted to kick his ass when he was getting pissed in 204. Mike should've done that.
I still do not want him to die. He shouts at Clem because he is not right in the head. He lost it after Katjaa and Duck. He will never be the same.
I do think Kenny is an ass, but i would never want him to die.
You're assuming he's been through more then? All we know is he was holed up, found by Sarita and then later found Matthew and Walter. Until … morewe're told otherwise, we have no reason to believe he's been through more than Clem during that gap.
I wouldn't be so fast to bet your life because I'd sooner die than be the kind of person to snap at a girl who was supposedly family to me for... killing a walker that was biting someone. And especially the words he used. That's the important part.
It would be relief for Clem at this point. She can't suffer any more. She just saw what could've easily been herself under different circumstances get killed by walkers and now all she's got left is the traitorous Kenny, horny Luke who doesn't care his best friend died, a baby that's fucked because it's the ZA, Carver fangirl Bonnie who is partly to blame for the group getting captured and Mike who she has no bond with whatsoever and who would've dropped h… [view original content]
Hit Kenny? In that mental state I'm pretty sure he would have hit Clem back. He's not a bad guy but he was not in his right mind back then, especially if you axed Sarita
And if you did axe Sarita I wish there was a way we could have reminded him he did the same thing at the meat locker
Clementine: You know what Kenny? Go flip yourself! I've been with you this whole time, and I tried to save Sarita! and this how you repay me? Flip you.
Not sure about hitting, but an "I hate you!" or [Cry] option would have been very appropriate, Kenny says some unbelievably cruel things, especially in the arm-chop scenario. She already thinks that Sarita's death was her fault and then Kenny has to go off with that shit. Clementine is tough-as-nails, but I don't anyone could realistically just stand there and take that kind of abuse without lashing out or breaking down.
I get what you're saying, but who hasn't lost their whole family in the apocalypse, or have their fates unknown. Like Ben said, at least Kenny gets to say goodbye; have closure.
I get what you're saying, but who hasn't lost their whole family in the apocalypse, or have their fates unknown. Like Ben said, at least Kenny gets to say goodbye; have closure.
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I already posted this in your "Everyone is either dead or unlikable", but I figured I might as well reply here too.
I don't agree with your reasons to dislike Bonnie. She had every right to justify Walter's murder because as she rightly says, Carver only killed him to protect his people since "Kenny could've killed us all." And let's face it; Kenny would have killed them all because he's a violent prick.
And Bonnie had no idea what she was taking her old friends back to. Judging by her reaction to Reggie's death, she honestly didn't believe Carver would've treated them so horribly. She never saw him slap Sarah remember? And she is shocked when Clem tells her Carver didn't feed any of them, and says "Bill said you'd eat every night..."
Bonnie is pretty much the only character left besides Clem and Christa(if she's alive) that I really like. She looks out for Clem and is pretty much the only adult in the group who recognises that she's just a kid, but doesn't use that as a reason to look down on her. I liked her interactions with Clem because of her cool big sis vibe (dat jacket), and she's reasonable and relatively capable. The fact that we actually got to see her backstory (something rare for Season 2 characters) through 400 days also helps.
Mike is cool too, but I'm not really attached to him. Luke and Kenny can go fuck off for all I care.
I'll say this much. Kenny deserved to be brutally torn apart by walkers far more than Sarah ever did.
He killed Larry. Clem killed Sarita, yeah, but it wasn't intentional, whereas Kenny intended on killing Larry. I don't know why 'he' would think he's any better. Like, I understand he doesn't want to be alone again, but he was out of line.
[Poke Kenny's one good eye].
Yep.
I GOT IT UPLOADED HERE YA GO!
;____;
Kenny killing them all would've been a good thing, Carver and his thugs that is, since they were just evil and dangerous. Walter had nothing to do with that one thug's death, Carver just treated him like a tool, that doesn't justify murdering someone.
She saw Carver slap Clem and just continued to be a Carver fangirl. She's told Carver killed Reggie and still persisted to be a Carver fangirl, I'm sure if he lied to her about killing him she'd have kept believing him.
Still, each to their own. I just really hate her. But my hatred for Kenny eclipses my hatred for her right now. It's not nice being betrayed like he betrayed Clem.
Even better
I meant that Bonnie's not at fault for Walter's death. She clearly didn't expect the situation to escalate like that, and Carver wouldn't have killed Walter if Kenny hadn't shot his thug (Clementine says as much). Seriously, why was there no option to tell Kenny to shoot Carver immediately???
She saw Carver slap Clem and was the only one who showed concern for her, even helping her off the ground. Troy would've just kicked her back down. Also, she's the only one who checks up on Clem if she's bashed in the face by Troy's gun. Everyone else, Luke, Rebecca, they do nothing to help her.
And she stopped being a Carver fangirl pretty much the second Clem tells her about Reggie. Did you see her insanely worried expression? She didn't completely believe Clem, but she was starting to realize there was something wrong in her little paradise. That's why she went directly to Carver to confirm the truth. And I honestly doubt Bonnie would still be a Carver fangirl after her reaction to the truth about Reggie and Kenny's beating.
Everything points to Bonnie being genuinely remorseful for her actions, and I really respect her for that. She had the balls to admit straight out that she made a mistake and risked everything to make up for it. Contrast with Kenny, who never ever ever owns up to any of his own mistakes and pushes all of the blame on other people to make himself feel better.
Well, just my opinion. At least we are united in our hatred of Kenny :P
I am so, so sorry about Sarita, and i know i fucked up, but STOP pushing me around and STOP wishing i was dead.
Oh my god, I feel so bad for Clem
And my opinion of Kenny steadily declines...
nice.. i should have chose that words x)
Kenny- "I can't even look at you right now!"
It's probably from that eye of yours.
Damn thats cold.
At least you got to say goodbye
But funny
So was Rebecca.
A cry option or "What would you have done?" option would've sufficed for me.
Kenny is just going though a lot, I mean wouldn't you be upset if your girlfriend died? I think anyone would act that way.
*Kenny won't remember this.
"And not some namby-pamby thing. A good, hard smack. Put him back into place".
Plenty of people just wanted Lilly to suffer after she lost her whole family.
But She actually like, hated people... and killed Carley/Doug for no good reason!
Everyone is different. Everyone handle things differently. Clem is stronger than Kenny, mentally. Kenny didn't do shit to Clem, all he did was yell at her for a bit, than he gets over it.
You should get over it too.
Lee can be mean to Clem more than anyone in the whole game. Does he deserve that "horrible death"?
What about Rebecca? She was mean in 201, does she deserve a horrible death? Well she got it.
I could never love a video game character, but i like Clem a lot. I may respect Kenny, but i kicked his ass in 103 and i wanted to kick his ass when he was getting pissed in 204. Mike should've done that.
I still do not want him to die. He shouts at Clem because he is not right in the head. He lost it after Katjaa and Duck. He will never be the same.
I do think Kenny is an ass, but i would never want him to die.
Fuck YOU, Bigby!
That line, "You think just because you're a little girl you can get people killed." really made me mad at Kenny. That was a low blow. I don't know if he was hinting at Lee, but Clem probably thought of Lee when he said that and you just don't do that to a little kid. Especially knowing how attached Lee and Clem were to each other and what she had to do to him.
Oh, the lengths to which people will go to downplay the crimes of Kenny.
Kenny just yelled her for a bit? Nothing serious? More like verbally assaulted her and nearly traumatized her with his immaturity. Did you see Clem’s face while he went at it? She was terrified. You would honestly tell her to "just get over it"? The fact that his belated apology is completely optional and incredibly easy to miss doesn’t help.
I can’t remember if Lee, at any point, verbally abused Clementine in such a way, or did anything even remotely as “mean” to her. Lee would have never told Clem “oh, these people died horrible, horrible deaths, and it is all your fault”. Who the hell would ever willingly force that kind of guilt onto a little girl? A little girl who is already torn up with guilt for Lee and Omid’s deaths?
You know what, Kenny? You’re lucky. Real lucky. Lucky that Clem never brings up how you played a huge part in the deaths of Walter, Carlos, Nick, Sarah and Sarita. You’re lucky that Clem is so much more mature and rational a person than you are, isn’t someone who rubs every little mistake you’ve ever made into the gaping wounds in your heart so they can make themselves feel better at the expense of others.
And Rebecca was hostile, yes, but not only did she have a justification for her behavior, she manned up and apologized and took responsibility for her actions. Can’t say the same for ol’ Kenneth. "He is not right in the head" does not justify his bullying a child he supposedly cares about.
I liked Kenny at one point, I really did. But for me, he’s long since worn out his welcome. I feel nothing but resentment for him now. I resent him for taking the spotlight from more deserving characters. I resent him for being such a self-absorbed, pathetic douchebag who’s managed to outlive far more decent people.
Though like I already said, I do agree that Kenny doesn't deserve a horrible death. No matter what crimes a person has committed, I don't think anyone deserves a horrible death. There are characters who deserve to die, like Carver, but I don't think it would be right to condemn anyone to a slow, painful demise.
OMG YAAAAASSSSSS. Tell em Clementine!
Maybe I am putting It the wrong way but Kenny is definitely handling the stuff worse than Clem, Kenny seems to be on a soon breaking point...
Hit Kenny? In that mental state I'm pretty sure he would have hit Clem back. He's not a bad guy but he was not in his right mind back then, especially if you axed Sarita
And if you did axe Sarita I wish there was a way we could have reminded him he did the same thing at the meat locker
Well that harsh. Bigby is now very sad.
Kenny had hurt my feelings when he talked shit to Clementine
[Glass him]
It's as if almost nobody on this forum understands how grief works.
Clementine: You know what Kenny? Go flip yourself! I've been with you this whole time, and I tried to save Sarita! and this how you repay me? Flip you.
Not sure about hitting, but an "I hate you!" or [Cry] option would have been very appropriate, Kenny says some unbelievably cruel things, especially in the arm-chop scenario. She already thinks that Sarita's death was her fault and then Kenny has to go off with that shit. Clementine is tough-as-nails, but I don't anyone could realistically just stand there and take that kind of abuse without lashing out or breaking down.
"Aw, Clem, I'm--"
I get what you're saying, but who hasn't lost their whole family in the apocalypse, or have their fates unknown. Like Ben said, at least Kenny gets to say goodbye; have closure.
"It wasn't your choice Clementine!"
"Was Larry yours?!"
Kenny nearly gets killed by Carver to save us, but then later his attitude becomes a bit sour when his girlfriend dies?
Gee what an asshole, am i right guys?
Well I think Kenny is handling it worse than most people though...