Well guess what, I was hurt by such outbursts directed towards me in situations where emotions ran high. I'm sure you have to. Hell, my own father threatened to break my arms just because I told him off-handedly to blow me when he was being a smart-ass. (I know he's serious because, like Kenny, he is not very emotionally stable) But guess what, you get over it and learn to get thicker skin. If harsh words was the worst Clementine had to endure, then by god get over it.
For a damaged person she seems to be holding out OK.
Watch how she reacts to Kenny's outburst. She's clearly very hurt and her reaction implies she believes what he's saying. Also seeing those people die has damaged her, even if she's trying not to show it.
Well guess what, I was hurt by such outbursts directed towards me in situations where emotions ran high. I'm sure you have to. Hell, my own … morefather threatened to break my arms just because I told him off-handedly to blow me when he was being a smart-ass. (I know he's serious because, like Kenny, he is not very emotionally stable) But guess what, you get over it and learn to get thicker skin. If harsh words was the worst Clementine had to endure, then by god get over it.
For a damaged person she seems to be holding out OK.
I wish Christa were here, i just thinking how fucking much these people sucks now.
Kennys is a dirtbag again
Lukes a dirtbag too
Mi… moreke is just there
Bonnies only character which is even semi okay but not enough for me to start liking this 'group'.
This episode was pretty bad.
The only thing that really bothered me about this episode was Nick's death. However, although I see where you're coming from, I don't mind the fact that almost everyone is becoming total assholes. If the choice comes down to Kenny or Luke, having them both be sunshine and rainbows will have people likely choosing Kenny out of nostalgia. If one is a asshole and the other isn't, then the choice becomes pretty obvious there. However, if both of them look irredeemable, then the lesser of two evils choice comes in to play. I always felt those were the best kind of choices, the ones that don't really have a "right" answer or at least some kind of moral center.
The whole disappointing sequel thing usually happens.
I wasn't expecting much from season two because season one was so great, it got everyone rushing to play it again and I think that's why this is happening. This episode wasn't actually bad, it was just crappy compared to the rest of s2 and s1. The characters acted different, it was weird but I think this episode is just something we'll have to excuse as players.
I agree with the Sarah thing, she was handled badly like Nick. As people, you crave a happy ending or at least one that meant something and these two endings didn't. Sarah was meant to die, like she had no chance. If you save her and then try to save her again, she still dies. That was a bit of a blow to the face, considering that I had made Clementine almost like a guardian for Sarah. I also saved Nick.
I thought Nick was going to die from the beginning, I just didn't agree with how they did it. The emotional bombs always die, Nick was no exception to that rule. I just wish they had done it better.
How about the fact that she helped you escape from Carver's camp? And she's been nothing but helpful since then, so cut her some slack, she's more than earned her place in the group.
At this point Mike is the only sane person in the entire group. Bonnie is still a poorly written character. The writers expect us to forgive… more her as players, but expect us to do it through Clementine, who'd have no real reason to forgive her. Oh, Bonnie's sowwy. That don't cut it, betrayal isn't easily forgiven.
As I said, betrayal isn't easily forgiven as it shows either a weakness of character or a habit of lying and deceiving people. Hell, she had an affair with Leland. And she was a druggy. Shows she's not one with a strong power of will.
How about the fact that she helped you escape from Carver's camp? And she's been nothing but helpful since then, so cut her some slack, she's more than earned her place in the group.
This is all based on personal opinions.. Everyone YOU like is dead or those who are left alive YOU do not like. Remember, this is The Walking Dead during a zombie apocalypse and not everything is going to work out the way YOU want it to. Those who you like may not survive, those who die may not go out in a blaze of glory. Many will just die in a sad, horrible way then it becomes about how you deal with it.
Personally I feel Sarah's death was just fine, we had 2 options and they both work (IMO) same with Nick. Just because he had alot of fan's does not mean he has do die in a heroic glorious manner. Rebecca's death was accurate as it's very possible to die that way regardless how you felt about her.
I disagree that her death in the episode was unexpected. The second she became a determinant character it was obvious that she was living on borrowed time and her impact on the story was at its end. When a character becomes determinate it's basically Telltale's way of telling you their arc is over, and you trying to save them will just amount to a worse death later on. If you're lucky they might have more than 3 lines for the rest of their life, but that's not always the case either.
Sorry, but I can't agree with you.
I think the stuff you describe as bad is exactly what's brillant about TWD S2.
I loved how Sarah was … morehandled in this episode. It was really realistic and it broke me.
There have been multiple characters in season two I cared about.
I loved Sarah. I loved Jane. I still love Kenny. I like Bonnie and Mike.
And Sarah's death is something that fits perfectly into this world. Because after all the shit that has happened, Clementine (at least my Clementine) tried to stay strong. But what you do doesn't matter, if you like a character, it doesn't matter. The emotional scene with Sarah (the one with Clementine talking about Lee) was great, and it was even better that Sarah died a few hours later. Because no matter what you do, no character is ever safe. And it isn't guaranteed that a character will have a pay-off before his death. It was unexpected, because after I rescued Sarah from the Walkers at the begin… [view original content]
This is all based on personal opinions.. Everyone YOU like is dead or those who are left alive YOU do not like. Remember, this is The Walki… moreng Dead during a zombie apocalypse and not everything is going to work out the way YOU want it to. Those who you like may not survive, those who die may not go out in a blaze of glory. Many will just die in a sad, horrible way then it becomes about how you deal with it.
Personally I feel Sarah's death was just fine, we had 2 options and they both work (IMO) same with Nick. Just because he had alot of fan's does not mean he has do die in a heroic glorious manner. Rebecca's death was accurate as it's very possible to die that way regardless how you felt about her.
Rebecca's death was handled well I thought. They surprised most people by not killing her in childbirth, but then she died of malnutrition/hypothermia. It was a realistic death and a sad one, especially considering she was still holding the baby. Nick and Sarah's deaths, well those were a different story.
As I said, betrayal isn't easily forgiven as it shows either a weakness of character or a habit of lying and deceiving people. Hell, she had an affair with Leland. And she was a druggy. Shows she's not one with a strong power of will.
Yeah I get what you guys are coming from in response to my next Lee thing. I guess I just meant the next person to look after and be really… more concerned for Clementine. Now that Kenny is seeming to get back into shape, it seems only he will be filling that role now, as Jane chose to leave.
She's badly written because of conflict over what the writers want us to do with her (forgive) despite the fact that we have no logical reason to do what they want us to do (reasons listed above).
I keep seeing a lot of people say they dislike kenny now because of how he treated clementine in this episode. What do you people expect he's lost his entire family and now sarita he's not going to be a big ball of sunshine right now. The things he said to clem were out of line, yes, but you can't blame him for lashing out after what he just went through.
I keep seeing a lot of people say they dislike kenny now because of how he treated clementine in this episode. What do you people expect he'… mores lost his entire family and now sarita he's not going to be a big ball of sunshine right now. The things he said to clem were out of line, yes, but you can't blame him for lashing out after what he just went through.
When characters die in The Walking Dead, it usually has meaning behind them.
Kenny's fake death was to save Ben.
Lee's death to save Clementine, who he had an emotional bond with.
With Sarah's death, they spent ages building this character up. We could even see small changes where she started to see reality, i.e the scene where Reggie dies and she is slightly losing it. I never expected her to actually live, believe it or not. However, my Clementine became a kind of guardian and my decisions, after her death, were practically meaningless. It was insignificant, no one cared ten minutes later.
However, we see when Lee dies Kenny brings up a conversation.
Nick doesn't even get an on screen death, so that sucks. He was a character that was literally meant to die, no one really cared about him.
This is all based on personal opinions.. Everyone YOU like is dead or those who are left alive YOU do not like. Remember, this is The Walki… moreng Dead during a zombie apocalypse and not everything is going to work out the way YOU want it to. Those who you like may not survive, those who die may not go out in a blaze of glory. Many will just die in a sad, horrible way then it becomes about how you deal with it.
Personally I feel Sarah's death was just fine, we had 2 options and they both work (IMO) same with Nick. Just because he had alot of fan's does not mean he has do die in a heroic glorious manner. Rebecca's death was accurate as it's very possible to die that way regardless how you felt about her.
But I disagree with the Bonnie part 100%. I find her a really likeable character - she can be a slightly dim at times but that makes her human! She's a breath of fresh air.
While I think Sarah should've been a better detrimental character, I thought her death in the trailer park was to show you can't act like a child anymore, no matter how much it sucks. You have to keep a straight face and soldier on or you'll die.
Luke is more dislikeable than previous eps, but you answered your own question about him not caring about Nick's recent death in a earlier point ''Don't get me started on how people barely even talk about her death. Such is the fate of a determinate character''.
Kenny was clearly in loss and Clementine maimed Sarita, or Sarita was left infected. Anger is part of mourning, and Kenny's mourned more than anyone, but he got mad at a little girl (which later he calms down and talks to) so he obviously deserves death.
Bonnie is working on redemption, she already broke the group out of Carver's Camp, and kept quiet about the walkie talkie heist. Oh but she said and did bad things, she obviously deserves death.
I agree with a lot of points, and I see how frustrating it is. At the same time, I feel like this is, to some extent, what this game is about. Every episode, the world seems to have turned a little bit darker. It was the same for Season 1. That's a big part of what I like about it. I want it to stay horrifying, twisting me up inside over meaningless deaths of people I started to like.
I enjoyed the Episode thought i do agree with some points such as Nick/Luke. Though Kenny was a dick, He has lost his Wife and kid and now a girlfriend. He has lost almost everything again and i can't judge him for what he does/says.
The problem was that Sarah was never even given a chance to recover and keep living.
I know that's why he barely talks about Nick's death but it's still fucking stupid and reflects badly on him and everyone else because of Telltale's laziness.
It's not that he got mad, it's what he said. Some things are unforgivable and the power of words can be strong indeed. Just look at how she reacts to what he's saying. Kenny hurt her really badly. And he's supposed to look out for her. My Lee was sadly mistaken in wishing it to be Kenny to look after her.
She broke the group out of a camp she brought them to in the first place. She kept quiet about it on the condition Clem didn't say her name, which was all she cared about. "Said and did bad things" is kind of... glossing over it.
Mike grew on me a tiny bit this episode. My main gripe with him is I just have no reason to care. He's just kind of there, occasionally saying funny things.
I only agree with your point about Nick.
While I think Sarah should've been a better detrimental character, I thought her death in the tr… moreailer park was to show you can't act like a child anymore, no matter how much it sucks. You have to keep a straight face and soldier on or you'll die.
Luke is more dislikeable than previous eps, but you answered your own question about him not caring about Nick's recent death in a earlier point ''Don't get me started on how people barely even talk about her death. Such is the fate of a determinate character''.
Kenny was clearly in loss and Clementine maimed Sarita, or Sarita was left infected. Anger is part of mourning, and Kenny's mourned more than anyone, but he got mad at a little girl (which later he calms down and talks to) so he obviously deserves death.
Bonnie is working on redemption, she already broke the group out of Carver's Camp, and kept quiet about the walkie talkie heist. Oh but sh… [view original content]
I agree with a lot of points, and I see how frustrating it is. At the same time, I feel like this is, to some extent, what this game is abou… moret. Every episode, the world seems to have turned a little bit darker. It was the same for Season 1. That's a big part of what I like about it. I want it to stay horrifying, twisting me up inside over meaningless deaths of people I started to like.
"I still hardly care about Mike, who can drop Clem to her death in episode 3."
That is, for the 1000th fucking time, a DETERMINANT choice. Its also a game over screen.
What Mike did is SAVE Clem from that Walker at the museum. That's what counts.
Mike is a cool, if quite an underdeveloped character. And Bonnie redeemed herself, i guess.
Otherwise, i agree with the other things you've said.
"The pizza and ice cream are both shit flavoured."
Pure gold.
I think Sarah's death scene was on the mark. You could tell she wasn't exactly normal when she couldn't comprehend that Carlos was forced to hit her in Season 3. In episode four she was broken beyond words. There was nothing Clementine could do for her. She was completely lost, not even capable to understanding that her father was dead, and he wasn't coming to Parker's Run. When she fell from the gift shop, it gave me a feeling of helplessness. You can't save her, even if you wanted to, which in my mind made her death much more depressing.
Nick's death i agree with you here. I would of loved to see this character had more time in Episode 3/4. I was hoping that we could be with Nick till the end, but that didn't happen.
Luke in my opinion is still likable. He just made a mistake, he is human. He wanted to have some happiness in his life, which i totally understand. He liked Jane, and was upset when she left. Maybe he fell for her emotionally. Who knows but i don't really hold it against him. What made me mad was the fact he gets mad at you if you don't take his side when Kenny tells him to cool it. I mean seriously Luke, stop acting childish.
I totally disagree with you with Kenny. I will agree with you here, that what Kenny said to Clementine was over the line, but do i hate him for it? No. Its just words. I understood why he was being a jerk, he just lost his girlfriend and was upset. The only one in his mind that loved him was gone, and Clementine was partially responsible for her death. Of course he is going to be angry with Clementine and he said some things out of anger that he did not mean, but you can tell Kenny genuinely cares for Clementine.
I agree with you and disagree with you on some points.
I agree with you on the fact that Sarah and Nick's death were utterly, fucking, horrible. No point to them whatsoever now. I also agree with you on how Luke is completely unlikeable from now on. He MIGHT redeem himself in some form, shape, or way, but if he ever did, I probably won't care about it. He became a complete idiot at this point. Only saying, "fuck" after his BEST friend of 20 YEARS has passed, then trying to shag Jane in the end. Shit he shows more concern of not getting it on with Jane than Nick's death!
I disagree with you on Kenny's reaction and attitude towards Clem though. It WAS understandable for him to act this way. Just because Clem is a little girl, don't expect him to be like, "Oh its ok sweetie, I instantaneously forgive you for practically killing my girlfriend right before my eyes, wanna go get ice cream?" Kenny, along with Clem, have lost A LOT of close ones during the apocalypse. Its just that Clem is more stable than Kenny emotionally, and you can't necessarily change that fact. It doesn't necessarily show how selfish he is. If he was selfish, he probably would've let Clem die and look out for himself only. The third love of his life got killed for Christ's sake! Its kind of like saying Joel from TLOU was selfish for taking Ellie instead of giving her to the Fireflies. It may seem selfish at first-hand, but when you think about it, he was struggling for survival in dark times for so long, that Ellie showed that Silver Lining for him to move on and fight. It was justified at that point. He has lost so many people for completely stupid reasons, and he wasn't going to let that happen again. Hell, Kenny even said something along the lines of, "Shit I forget you're just a kid, I shouldn't burden you with all this." He may seem like an ass now, but I'm fairly certain he could forgive Clem for that, but the relationship between them might have separated even further now. But just because I think its understandable, doesn't mean that I wasn't angry at Kenny for berating her.
I agree with you and disagree with you on some points.
I agree with you on the fact that Sarah and Nick's death were utterly, fucking, ho… morerrible. No point to them whatsoever now. I also agree with you on how Luke is completely unlikeable from now on. He MIGHT redeem himself in some form, shape, or way, but if he ever did, I probably won't care about it. He became a complete idiot at this point. Only saying, "fuck" after his BEST friend of 20 YEARS has passed, then trying to shag Jane in the end. Shit he shows more concern of not getting it on with Jane than Nick's death!
I disagree with you on Kenny's reaction and attitude towards Clem though. It WAS understandable for him to act this way. Just because Clem is a little girl, don't expect him to be like, "Oh its ok sweetie, I instantaneously forgive you for practically killing my girlfriend right before my eyes, wanna go get ice cream?" Kenny, along with Clem, have lost A LOT of close one… [view original content]
"Consider if you were a father, living in a quarantine zone barely being able to provide food for your children. Then you gather the knowledge that one person took it upon himself to nullify the only chance for a better future. It does not matter if the fireflies actually would be able to create, distribute and cure the world with this potential vaccine. Joel took away the only chance the world had based on his own subjective feelings towards this little girl.
And whose to say that chance of Ellie making the cure was going to work? I think there was some sort of evidence saying that there was no sure way it was going to work. I remember finding it somewhere, but I don't remember where. Besides, that's the world they live in now, and they can't really change that. Many people have gotten used to it. There have been many societies such as Tommy's that are thriving. Sure there are hunters, and infected out there but like he even said before, that is the world they live in now, and they are adapting to that kind of life style. Shit, they've been going through that for 20 YEARS. I'm sure there are a lot of people who have just given up and decided to deal with the problems in some way, shape, or form. Yes there's a chance of it crumbling, yes there's a chance of everything coming down, yes there is a chance of all hope faltering, but all you have to do is keep fighting, and you just can't save everybody. I'm not 100% with him on that decision, but I understand him for making it.
"Consider if you were a father, living in a quarantine zone barely being able to provide food for your children. Then you gather the knowled… morege that one person took it upon himself to nullify the only chance for a better future. It does not matter if the fireflies actually would be able to create, distribute and cure the world with this potential vaccine. Joel took away the only chance the world had based on his own subjective feelings towards this little girl.
Would you still support his choice?"
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Well guess what, I was hurt by such outbursts directed towards me in situations where emotions ran high. I'm sure you have to. Hell, my own father threatened to break my arms just because I told him off-handedly to blow me when he was being a smart-ass. (I know he's serious because, like Kenny, he is not very emotionally stable) But guess what, you get over it and learn to get thicker skin. If harsh words was the worst Clementine had to endure, then by god get over it.
For a damaged person she seems to be holding out OK.
I wish Christa were here, i just thinking how fucking much these people sucks now.
Kennys is a dirtbag again
Lukes a dirtbag too
Mike is just there
Bonnies only character which is even semi okay but not enough for me to start liking this 'group'.
This episode was pretty bad.
Yes she can get over it, that doesn't mean it can be excused though.
I think she's holding a lot in.
I don't even think much of Christa but at this point I'd take her over this group in a heartbeat. At least she protected Clementine.
The only thing that really bothered me about this episode was Nick's death. However, although I see where you're coming from, I don't mind the fact that almost everyone is becoming total assholes. If the choice comes down to Kenny or Luke, having them both be sunshine and rainbows will have people likely choosing Kenny out of nostalgia. If one is a asshole and the other isn't, then the choice becomes pretty obvious there. However, if both of them look irredeemable, then the lesser of two evils choice comes in to play. I always felt those were the best kind of choices, the ones that don't really have a "right" answer or at least some kind of moral center.
The whole disappointing sequel thing usually happens.
I wasn't expecting much from season two because season one was so great, it got everyone rushing to play it again and I think that's why this is happening. This episode wasn't actually bad, it was just crappy compared to the rest of s2 and s1. The characters acted different, it was weird but I think this episode is just something we'll have to excuse as players.
I agree with the Sarah thing, she was handled badly like Nick. As people, you crave a happy ending or at least one that meant something and these two endings didn't. Sarah was meant to die, like she had no chance. If you save her and then try to save her again, she still dies. That was a bit of a blow to the face, considering that I had made Clementine almost like a guardian for Sarah. I also saved Nick.
I thought Nick was going to die from the beginning, I just didn't agree with how they did it. The emotional bombs always die, Nick was no exception to that rule. I just wish they had done it better.
How about the fact that she helped you escape from Carver's camp? And she's been nothing but helpful since then, so cut her some slack, she's more than earned her place in the group.
As I said, betrayal isn't easily forgiven as it shows either a weakness of character or a habit of lying and deceiving people. Hell, she had an affair with Leland. And she was a druggy. Shows she's not one with a strong power of will.
This is all based on personal opinions.. Everyone YOU like is dead or those who are left alive YOU do not like. Remember, this is The Walking Dead during a zombie apocalypse and not everything is going to work out the way YOU want it to. Those who you like may not survive, those who die may not go out in a blaze of glory. Many will just die in a sad, horrible way then it becomes about how you deal with it.
Personally I feel Sarah's death was just fine, we had 2 options and they both work (IMO) same with Nick. Just because he had alot of fan's does not mean he has do die in a heroic glorious manner. Rebecca's death was accurate as it's very possible to die that way regardless how you felt about her.
I disagree that her death in the episode was unexpected. The second she became a determinant character it was obvious that she was living on borrowed time and her impact on the story was at its end. When a character becomes determinate it's basically Telltale's way of telling you their arc is over, and you trying to save them will just amount to a worse death later on. If you're lucky they might have more than 3 lines for the rest of their life, but that's not always the case either.
Except every other important character had some meaning to their death until this episode. I personally didn't really mind Rebecca's death.
"The pizza and ice cream are both shit flavoured."
Given I actually like Bonnie as a character, I'm okay if this is plot armor.
Yeah, but they didn't have to bash his character into the center of hatred just to "innovate"
Rebecca's death was handled well I thought. They surprised most people by not killing her in childbirth, but then she died of malnutrition/hypothermia. It was a realistic death and a sad one, especially considering she was still holding the baby. Nick and Sarah's deaths, well those were a different story.
So she has weak will power and did drugs. That makes her badly written? Your personal morals =/= good characterization.
Edit: Reread his other posts. I was wrong.
I would not say Kenny is back in shape now since he is showing signs of being mentally unstable.
He become quite obsessed with the baby after all.
She's badly written because of conflict over what the writers want us to do with her (forgive) despite the fact that we have no logical reason to do what they want us to do (reasons listed above).
That explains why she's not treated badly, at all, despite what she'd done.
I keep seeing a lot of people say they dislike kenny now because of how he treated clementine in this episode. What do you people expect he's lost his entire family and now sarita he's not going to be a big ball of sunshine right now. The things he said to clem were out of line, yes, but you can't blame him for lashing out after what he just went through.
I can blame him, as it was incredibly immature and selfish.
When characters die in The Walking Dead, it usually has meaning behind them.
Kenny's fake death was to save Ben.
Lee's death to save Clementine, who he had an emotional bond with.
With Sarah's death, they spent ages building this character up. We could even see small changes where she started to see reality, i.e the scene where Reggie dies and she is slightly losing it. I never expected her to actually live, believe it or not. However, my Clementine became a kind of guardian and my decisions, after her death, were practically meaningless. It was insignificant, no one cared ten minutes later.
However, we see when Lee dies Kenny brings up a conversation.
Nick doesn't even get an on screen death, so that sucks. He was a character that was literally meant to die, no one really cared about him.
He made one realistic mistake, I still really like him as a character.
I agree with the Sarah part 100%.
But I disagree with the Bonnie part 100%. I find her a really likeable character - she can be a slightly dim at times but that makes her human! She's a breath of fresh air.
So this was a character dump basically?
I only agree with your point about Nick.
While I think Sarah should've been a better detrimental character, I thought her death in the trailer park was to show you can't act like a child anymore, no matter how much it sucks. You have to keep a straight face and soldier on or you'll die.
Luke is more dislikeable than previous eps, but you answered your own question about him not caring about Nick's recent death in a earlier point ''Don't get me started on how people barely even talk about her death. Such is the fate of a determinate character''.
Kenny was clearly in loss and Clementine maimed Sarita, or Sarita was left infected. Anger is part of mourning, and Kenny's mourned more than anyone, but he got mad at a little girl (which later he calms down and talks to) so he obviously deserves death.
Bonnie is working on redemption, she already broke the group out of Carver's Camp, and kept quiet about the walkie talkie heist. Oh but she said and did bad things, she obviously deserves death.
And your point on Mike is fucking stupid.
3/10 post would not read again.
I agree with a lot of points, and I see how frustrating it is. At the same time, I feel like this is, to some extent, what this game is about. Every episode, the world seems to have turned a little bit darker. It was the same for Season 1. That's a big part of what I like about it. I want it to stay horrifying, twisting me up inside over meaningless deaths of people I started to like.
I enjoyed the Episode thought i do agree with some points such as Nick/Luke. Though Kenny was a dick, He has lost his Wife and kid and now a girlfriend. He has lost almost everything again and i can't judge him for what he does/says.
The problem was that Sarah was never even given a chance to recover and keep living.
I know that's why he barely talks about Nick's death but it's still fucking stupid and reflects badly on him and everyone else because of Telltale's laziness.
It's not that he got mad, it's what he said. Some things are unforgivable and the power of words can be strong indeed. Just look at how she reacts to what he's saying. Kenny hurt her really badly. And he's supposed to look out for her. My Lee was sadly mistaken in wishing it to be Kenny to look after her.
She broke the group out of a camp she brought them to in the first place. She kept quiet about it on the condition Clem didn't say her name, which was all she cared about. "Said and did bad things" is kind of... glossing over it.
Mike grew on me a tiny bit this episode. My main gripe with him is I just have no reason to care. He's just kind of there, occasionally saying funny things.
No main death was meaningless until this episode. I'd say that's far from what the game's been about until now.
"I still hardly care about Mike, who can drop Clem to her death in episode 3."
That is, for the 1000th fucking time, a DETERMINANT choice. Its also a game over screen.
What Mike did is SAVE Clem from that Walker at the museum. That's what counts.
Mike is a cool, if quite an underdeveloped character. And Bonnie redeemed herself, i guess.
Otherwise, i agree with the other things you've said.
"The pizza and ice cream are both shit flavoured."
Pure gold.
Okay i respectfully disagree with you here.
I think Sarah's death scene was on the mark. You could tell she wasn't exactly normal when she couldn't comprehend that Carlos was forced to hit her in Season 3. In episode four she was broken beyond words. There was nothing Clementine could do for her. She was completely lost, not even capable to understanding that her father was dead, and he wasn't coming to Parker's Run. When she fell from the gift shop, it gave me a feeling of helplessness. You can't save her, even if you wanted to, which in my mind made her death much more depressing.
Nick's death i agree with you here. I would of loved to see this character had more time in Episode 3/4. I was hoping that we could be with Nick till the end, but that didn't happen.
Luke in my opinion is still likable. He just made a mistake, he is human. He wanted to have some happiness in his life, which i totally understand. He liked Jane, and was upset when she left. Maybe he fell for her emotionally. Who knows but i don't really hold it against him. What made me mad was the fact he gets mad at you if you don't take his side when Kenny tells him to cool it. I mean seriously Luke, stop acting childish.
I totally disagree with you with Kenny. I will agree with you here, that what Kenny said to Clementine was over the line, but do i hate him for it? No. Its just words. I understood why he was being a jerk, he just lost his girlfriend and was upset. The only one in his mind that loved him was gone, and Clementine was partially responsible for her death. Of course he is going to be angry with Clementine and he said some things out of anger that he did not mean, but you can tell Kenny genuinely cares for Clementine.
I agree with you and disagree with you on some points.
I agree with you on the fact that Sarah and Nick's death were utterly, fucking, horrible. No point to them whatsoever now. I also agree with you on how Luke is completely unlikeable from now on. He MIGHT redeem himself in some form, shape, or way, but if he ever did, I probably won't care about it. He became a complete idiot at this point. Only saying, "fuck" after his BEST friend of 20 YEARS has passed, then trying to shag Jane in the end. Shit he shows more concern of not getting it on with Jane than Nick's death!
I disagree with you on Kenny's reaction and attitude towards Clem though. It WAS understandable for him to act this way. Just because Clem is a little girl, don't expect him to be like, "Oh its ok sweetie, I instantaneously forgive you for practically killing my girlfriend right before my eyes, wanna go get ice cream?" Kenny, along with Clem, have lost A LOT of close ones during the apocalypse. Its just that Clem is more stable than Kenny emotionally, and you can't necessarily change that fact. It doesn't necessarily show how selfish he is. If he was selfish, he probably would've let Clem die and look out for himself only. The third love of his life got killed for Christ's sake! Its kind of like saying Joel from TLOU was selfish for taking Ellie instead of giving her to the Fireflies. It may seem selfish at first-hand, but when you think about it, he was struggling for survival in dark times for so long, that Ellie showed that Silver Lining for him to move on and fight. It was justified at that point. He has lost so many people for completely stupid reasons, and he wasn't going to let that happen again. Hell, Kenny even said something along the lines of, "Shit I forget you're just a kid, I shouldn't burden you with all this." He may seem like an ass now, but I'm fairly certain he could forgive Clem for that, but the relationship between them might have separated even further now. But just because I think its understandable, doesn't mean that I wasn't angry at Kenny for berating her.
Once you think about it what Joel did was still selfish
Sure it was selfish but can we blame him?
"Consider if you were a father, living in a quarantine zone barely being able to provide food for your children. Then you gather the knowledge that one person took it upon himself to nullify the only chance for a better future. It does not matter if the fireflies actually would be able to create, distribute and cure the world with this potential vaccine. Joel took away the only chance the world had based on his own subjective feelings towards this little girl.
Would you still support his choice?"
He may have been somewhat justified but in the end it was still a selfish thing to do
And whose to say that chance of Ellie making the cure was going to work? I think there was some sort of evidence saying that there was no sure way it was going to work. I remember finding it somewhere, but I don't remember where. Besides, that's the world they live in now, and they can't really change that. Many people have gotten used to it. There have been many societies such as Tommy's that are thriving. Sure there are hunters, and infected out there but like he even said before, that is the world they live in now, and they are adapting to that kind of life style. Shit, they've been going through that for 20 YEARS. I'm sure there are a lot of people who have just given up and decided to deal with the problems in some way, shape, or form. Yes there's a chance of it crumbling, yes there's a chance of everything coming down, yes there is a chance of all hope faltering, but all you have to do is keep fighting, and you just can't save everybody. I'm not 100% with him on that decision, but I understand him for making it.