What was?! The fact that, after losing his lover, after his wife and son, he freaked out?! I DON'T blame him! When he cooled off in the tent, he was much more compreensive. It's not like he beat up Clem or anything. He just... didn't believe what was happening and didn't want to feel guilty so he blamed Clem. However he knew deep down that that was the only way to go... he regrets arguing with Clem and my Clem forgives him.
Okay, I know it seems so. I'm not completely oblivious to the fact that Joel decided to pull a douche move, but like I said before, it was understandable. She was like a replacement daughter to him, and if he had thrown that away, it would've pushed him over the edge.
He beat her up with words and that's not being melodramatic, her horrified reaction will always stick with me. He didn't want to feel guilty so he blamed Clem, in other words was immature and selfish. If he regrets it he'd have apologised profusely. Never done that for me. So, fuck him.
What was?! The fact that, after losing his lover, after his wife and son, he freaked out?! I DON'T blame him! When he cooled off in the ten… moret, he was much more compreensive. It's not like he beat up Clem or anything. He just... didn't believe what was happening and didn't want to feel guilty so he blamed Clem. However he knew deep down that that was the only way to go... he regrets arguing with Clem and my Clem forgives him.
Luke's best friend Nick dies, so he decides to have sex to feel better.
Sarah's death happens to develop Jane's character and Clem's. Do you keep trying to save her? Altruism over pragmatic decisions?
Kenny is angry because everyone he has ever loved or liked has constantly died, he had a near-death experience, and he sometimes forget that Clementine, the girl he relies on, cherishes, and knows is capable as can be, sometimes fails and is still a kid. He pulls it together for the baby.
Mike is trying to be good for group at a hard time. I like him, even though it's likely Telltale will think we won't like him, and just murder him for the sake of murder. Fuck Telltale sometimes.
Bonnie has a streak of bad decision-making but tries to have morals guide her. She betrayed a group, was a drug addict, slutted on some girl's husband, and justified wanton death initially. But she's doing what she can, and even let the group escape the first time without telling Carver.
Yeah. I'm kid of mad at the group. No one except Jane really even cared Sarah died. I looked at the screen like "Why are you guys smiling, a fifteen year old girl just fell and got eaten alive."
I think that was why she cried but I won't pretend to understand why Rebecca, who I'm not even sure said anything to Nick throughout the gam… moree, cared more about his death than Luke did. And also cared more about his death than Sarah's, a girl she had shown she cared about in the last two episodes, comforting her on multiple occasions.
it's not just the sex guys... TBH, I think the main issue is his constant bitching on this episode, he's just always complaining about something or getting into a petty argument with Kenny
What, OP's reasons? I read them, and I completely disagree. Bonnie had every right to justify Walter's murder because as she rightly says, Carver only killed him to protect his people since "Kenny could've killed us all."
And Bonnie had no idea what she was taking her old friends back to. Judging by her reaction to Reggie's death, she honestly didn't believe Carver would've treated them so horribly. She never saw him slap Sarah remember? And she is shocked when Clem tells her Carver didn't feed any of them, and says "Bill said you'd eat every night..."
Bonnie is pretty much the only character left besides Clem and Christa(if she's alive) that I really like. She looks out for Clem and is pretty much the only adult in the group who recognises that she's just a kid, but doesn't use that as a reason to look down on her. I liked her interactions with Clem because of her cool big sis vibe (dat jacket), and she's reasonable and relatively capable. The fact that we actually got to see her backstory (something rare for Season 2 characters) through 400 days also helps.
Mike is cool too, but I'm not really attached to him. Luke and Kenny can go fuck off for all I care.
She's badly written because of conflict over what the writers want us to do with her (forgive) despite the fact that we have no logical reason to do what they want us to do (reasons listed above).
I still love Luke. I hate how they made up him mess up in this way, but I still like him a lot. I hope the writers put in a scene where Luke talks about Nick next episode. There's no reason not to since he's dead in all games now. I read a post somewhere that Luke's disappointment over Jane leaving had less to do with actually really liking her, but more to do with having the last thing that took him away from the tragedies of this world without any notice. Selfish? Yeah, but he's not a horrible person like people are chalking him up to be now. I still trust him.
I did not appreciate how they killed off Nick. There was literally no point in saving him in episode two if he was just going to have two lines, get shot in the shoulder, and then die while stuck in a fence.
Im very surprised at all this support for Bonnie and I keep hearing how she helped the group out of the store, all she did was open the gate, which led them straight into being held at gunpoint by Carver.
Shes a complete coward, she explains to Clem that it wasnt really her fault at the lodge, bullshit, she had a choice, she chose to kidnap and imprison all of them. You cant trust anyone who makes false interpretations of events to justify their actions. And again, the whole "were friends now" attitude was incredibly condescending, no child is that stupid.
Yes of course, she had a choice to betray and take on three dangerous armed men for the sake of some people she barely knew and people that, from her POV, betrayed her community and ran away. And what "we're friends now" attitude? She begs for Clem's forgiveness in episode 3, and even tells her that she'll understand if Clem doesn't trust her.
Im very surprised at all this support for Bonnie and I keep hearing how she helped the group out of the store, all she did was open the gate… more, which led them straight into being held at gunpoint by Carver.
Shes a complete coward, she explains to Clem that it wasnt really her fault at the lodge, bullshit, she had a choice, she chose to kidnap and imprison all of them. You cant trust anyone who makes false interpretations of events to justify their actions. And again, the whole "were friends now" attitude was incredibly condescending, no child is that stupid.
Her best friend? I didn't even like Sarah. She seemed like a liability from day one. Sorry if that seems cold. In my playthrough, Clem was largely just humoring her most of the time--hoping she could count on her and taking care of her because it was the decent thing to do. Not because of any particular friendship.
Rebecca was the only character I thought was done justice this episode. My Clem was just too broken after Sarah's death, she didn't hold the… more baby and she didn't feel anything from Rebecca calling her family. Why did everyone expect Clem to be all enthusiastic about the baby when her best friend just died horribly?
Don't hate this is just a possibility,Luke on the inside about Nick felt terrible he was just too worried about getting out of their alive at the moment,and when they got out he had to find a way to keep his mind off everything bad that had happened, (including the death of Nick if he was saved) so he kept himself busy and then Jane and Luke had an intimate moment which helped him cope even more;just a theory.
I think it's a good rule of thumb for us at this point that EVERY character introduced in TWD WILL either DIE or LEAVE unceremoniously.
There's no use forming attachments to ANYONE, because when the "xxx when remember that" comes up, you know it's a lie because xxx will probaby just randomly die soon.
Not going to be shocked at all if in the last episode everyone except Kenny, the baby and the new 3 named Russians just died right there randomly. Who cares about writing an actual ending for characters right? Everyone just shoots each other. How convenient.
Dude, for the most part I agree with you. This episode, as well as this season... It wasn't bad, but it was nowhere near Telltale's standards. All the stories that Telltale brought to life were about the characters, working through tough situations(puzzles) and the setting/theme, with action and drama simply at the background. And by this, I mean that having characters argue or be put at harm's way doesn't matter if you can't connect to the characters. You can't enjoy where the plot is taking you if the pace is too fast to soak everything in...
I'll just give you an example; this is the lists of who I cared about for Season 1 and Season 2.
Season 1:
EVERYONE in the group, even those I disliked (Larry, Lilly, Ben)
Season 2:
Clementine, Mike, Bonnie, Jane, Pete, Nick(debatable) and Kenny(on the line).
Two of those from season 2 that I liked are now dead, and one of them didn't even get a chance once he became a determinant character. And now, Jane, who Clem kinda started to look up to like a big sister, left. Now I have two men constantly arguing and fighting, to which I'm not sure if I want to save either of them, and Mike and Bonnie that I can actually trust to keep Clem safe (for now). The baby... well... yeah, it's just done for.
I just couldn't feel for the characters as much, nor keep up with the pace the 1hr - 1 1/2hr episodes set.
I didn't have much reason to save Sarah, and only did because I didn't want her death on Clem's hands. But now... I wonder if that was the best thing to do, since she actually decided to keep living only to be ripped apart by walkers in the same day. Perhaps that was the point(which I think it was), and I can't say I didn't like how the death worked out. I just wish that I'd had a reason to care about her life, other than a promise to protect her from her father.
I didn't really care about Sarita dying, but how it would affect Kenny. That was why I tried to save her(main reason, anyway).
Nick's death was uncalled for and just a waste of time if that was all he was meant to do. He didn't do anything helpful after episode 2. He didn't really have many lines, either. He was just there for the ride, and then died/turned off-screen. And then Clem is forced to put him down, with Jane encouraging that 'she should do it because it was her friend?' She just killed Sarita not even a day ago, and she killed both the Stranger/Lee in my S1 playthrough... So it isn't like he was there to prepare her for anything.
Rebecca... a witch in episode 1, a little nicer in episode 2, and then a complete 180... After wanting Clem dead for pretty much an entire episode, was I supposed to sympathize with her and her child? Especially when it's probably not even Alvin's? I was nice because I didn't see reasons for arguing with her, and she was actually a nice person until her death. But that doesn't explain why the sudden change of character? Same with Carlos, honestly...
I dunno... I feel like I'm just ranting now. It wasn't a bad episode, and I feel like in terms of hard decisions/bleakness, this episode was incredible. Might be the best episode of the season for me... but that is not a good thing. I want to give this episode an 8/10, but if I do, then that would mean the other episodes weren't that good. 80 or less... if I had brought home grades of 80 and less to my parents when I was younger, they would have flipped... And I feel that Telltale can still make a season as good as season 1. Sorry, Telltale. I'm just trying to be honest about my opinion. I think lapiswolf's post should be heavily considered.
I think it was more that Nick was apart of the tight knit group Rebecca was with so his death just jabbed her a bit. It's kind of strange that she didn't react to Sarah's death.
I think that was why she cried but I won't pretend to understand why Rebecca, who I'm not even sure said anything to Nick throughout the gam… moree, cared more about his death than Luke did. And also cared more about his death than Sarah's, a girl she had shown she cared about in the last two episodes, comforting her on multiple occasions.
Have to second that one. One of the few characters to ever call herself Clem's friend pitifully died like two minutes ago, I wasn't really up for a heartwarming scene.
Yeah. I'm kid of mad at the group. No one except Jane really even cared Sarah died. I looked at the screen like "Why are you guys smiling, a fifteen year old girl just fell and got eaten alive."
Well, technically Duck and Ben were her friends, but still, I agree. Clem just lost one of the few people we could really call one of her friends, I don't want to cheer up.
Have to second that one. One of the few characters to ever call herself Clem's friend pitifully died like two minutes ago, I wasn't really up for a heartwarming scene.
Telltale is IGNORANT and don't care what fans think, and don't care for their characters as well. They probably care more about shitty borderlands than walking dead by now. Pathetic.
Watch the views and likes sky rocket, and telltale hide and laugh counting their cash. From now on, I'm totally not recommending any of these games to anybody. And i'm skipping out on episode 5 and all telltale future games.
I just remembered something. When Luke started getting all sad when we were going back to the camp and he said "I can't believe it." I thought it was going to be about Nick, but no, it was because he went through the skylight first, something that he didn't even decided. Jane told him to. Like seriously Luke, that's what your thinking about, not your lifelong friend's death?
Well, that's how evolution works. "Pro-natal society" is an odd sort of way to describe natural selection and the protection of the innocents. What's your ethic, and how does infanticide fit in with it?
Because we live in a pro-natal society that sees babies as miracles.
I don't think she was done justice. It's a pretty cheap death and on… moree that's done a lot. Even outside of apocalypse games there are plenty of times where a woman is outlived by her fetus as a way to write her off. I could think of at least 5 stories where that's a thing and it's treated as a worthwhile sacrifice.
Leaving the forums now. I'm tired of these complaining bitches.
Gran' disgraziato.
Vai all'inferno.
Che cazzo?
Pezzo di merda.
Figlio di troia.
Good bye everyone.
Leaving the forums now. I'm tired of these complaining bitches.
Gran' disgraziato.
Vai all'inferno.
Che cazzo?
Pezzo di merda.
Figlio di troia.
Good bye everyone.
He beat her up with words and that's not being melodramatic, her horrified reaction will always stick with me. He didn't want to feel guilty… more so he blamed Clem, in other words was immature and selfish. If he regrets it he'd have apologised profusely. Never done that for me. So, fuck him.
I enjoyed the Episode thought i do agree with some points such as Nick/Luke. Though Kenny was a dick, He has lost his Wife and kid and now a girlfriend. He has lost almost everything again and i can't judge him for what he does/says.
If episode 3 is anything to go by, Carver has been a psycho for quite a while now, and for Bonnie to not notice that then she's got to be wilfully ignorant or slow. Then again, the drugs may have fucked her brain. Also, word would have gotten through to her somehow that Carver was being a maniac. There is no way to conceal such tyranny for long. This is just poor writing.
See, I don't like Bonnie because I know what writing is like, and I see what the writers want. They want us to like her, they're actively orchestrating situations for us to like her, instead of writing the characters and seeing where it goes. She, out of damn near all the characters, is the only overtly-nice one, and that makes her stand out. I also read that Errin Yvette (fuck spelling) is a girlfriend of one of the TTG team members, so that explains why she's a goddamn angel. And why she played that godawful Mary Sue Molly.
See, I like Mike (there's a slogan for a politician) because he is the only nice person who fits into the situation. He's calm, he's cool, but he's also hardened by the world and knows when to be a survivor like the rest, yet his neutral emotional state is that of a helpful dude who gets along with everyone.
What, OP's reasons? I read them, and I completely disagree. Bonnie had every right to justify Walter's murder because as she rightly says, C… morearver only killed him to protect his people since "Kenny could've killed us all."
And Bonnie had no idea what she was taking her old friends back to. Judging by her reaction to Reggie's death, she honestly didn't believe Carver would've treated them so horribly. She never saw him slap Sarah remember? And she is shocked when Clem tells her Carver didn't feed any of them, and says "Bill said you'd eat every night..."
Bonnie is pretty much the only character left besides Clem and Christa(if she's alive) that I really like. She looks out for Clem and is pretty much the only adult in the group who recognises that she's just a kid, but doesn't use that as a reason to look down on her. I liked her interactions with Clem because of her cool big sis vibe (dat jacket), and she's reasonable and relatively capa… [view original content]
Leaving the forums now. I'm tired of these complaining bitches.
Gran' disgraziato.
Vai all'inferno.
Che cazzo?
Pezzo di merda.
Figlio di troia.
Good bye everyone.
I agree wity you.
Sarah was my favourite character so far and i found their way to handle that character pretty offensive.
Now, a lot of people are saying that she and nick die because telltale stories are realistic and in realistic stories characters often die a meaningless death without the possibility to redeem themselves or show up a big internal change or evolution and i just want to say: who cares about realistic stories? If we have had a realistic story clementine probably would have died in the first episode of season 1.
I want a great story, and sarah probably was the best and the most interesting character so far and they definitly wasted her big potential. After this episode this will be probably my last telltale game.
I don't understand hate against bonnie, shes my faviroute character so maybe i'm a little bias. But i thought the reason why bonnie told carver about their location was because carver was looking for the group anyway? She would of returned to the camp with a box of food, it's obvious eyebrows were raise, carver probably thought it would have been the group.
Im very surprised at all this support for Bonnie and I keep hearing how she helped the group out of the store, all she did was open the gate… more, which led them straight into being held at gunpoint by Carver.
Shes a complete coward, she explains to Clem that it wasnt really her fault at the lodge, bullshit, she had a choice, she chose to kidnap and imprison all of them. You cant trust anyone who makes false interpretations of events to justify their actions. And again, the whole "were friends now" attitude was incredibly condescending, no child is that stupid.
I like how you assume I want all babies dead because I'm not all gung-ho for them. My ethic is that people should be free to choose whether or not to have children without any outside pressure. There are a lot of people right now who don't want kids but are pushed to anyways because babies are ~magic~ and with them your life can be like a Hallmark gift card.
I find it pretty gross that a character like Rebecca was discarded so quickly because she fulfilled her narrative purpose of having a baby. Women are more than noble cattle.
Well, that's how evolution works. "Pro-natal society" is an odd sort of way to describe natural selection and the protection of the innocents. What's your ethic, and how does infanticide fit in with it?
Barely knew? Betrayed her? Were you not paying attention in episode 3 at all?
She knew all of the cabin group very well and hints that she cares deeply for Luke. She also says she was supposed to go with them, but backed out, if anything, she betrayed them by staying.
But all right, I guess its okay to execute a man because people refuse to be restrained and kidnapped right? Carver isnt really that bad.
Yes of course, she had a choice to betray and take on three dangerous armed men for the sake of some people she barely knew and people that,… more from her POV, betrayed her community and ran away. And what "we're friends now" attitude? She begs for Clem's forgiveness in episode 3, and even tells her that she'll understand if Clem doesn't trust her.
By barely knew, I was referring to Clem and the lodge survivors. And nothing suggests she knew the cabin group very well outside of Luke. They barely even reacted to her when she showed up at the lodge. Even then, her staying behind was not a betrayal. She was told of the escape plan, and she kept quiet about it. She had the chance to completely ruin their escape by blabbing, and chose to let them go.
And more like "I guess its justified to execute a man in order to prove you mean business so as to prevent the insane bearded redneck with a rifle from murdering anymore of your people"
And you know what I really appreciate about Bonnie? She is one of the very very few people who admits they made a horrible mistake and feels genuinely remorseful. She feels guilty as hell and apologizes, and she risks everything to make up for her fuck-up. Whether or not that redeems her in your eyes, she earned a ton of respect from me after being stuck with Kenny, i.e "Mr. I never do anything wrong and even if I do I will never own up for it or take responsibility for any of my mistakes".
Barely knew? Betrayed her? Were you not paying attention in episode 3 at all?
She knew all of the cabin group very well and hints that sh… moree cares deeply for Luke. She also says she was supposed to go with them, but backed out, if anything, she betrayed them by staying.
But all right, I guess its okay to execute a man because people refuse to be restrained and kidnapped right? Carver isnt really that bad.
And whose to say that chance of Ellie making the cure was going to work? I think there was some sort of evidence saying that there was no su… morere way it was going to work. I remember finding it somewhere, but I don't remember where. Besides, that's the world they live in now, and they can't really change that. Many people have gotten used to it. There have been many societies such as Tommy's that are thriving. Sure there are hunters, and infected out there but like he even said before, that is the world they live in now, and they are adapting to that kind of life style. Shit, they've been going through that for 20 YEARS. I'm sure there are a lot of people who have just given up and decided to deal with the problems in some way, shape, or form. Yes there's a chance of it crumbling, yes there's a chance of everything coming down, yes there is a chance of all hope faltering, but all you have to do is keep fighting, and you just can't save everybody. I'm not 100% with him on that decision, but I understand him for making it.
Still could've helped out Sarah. Could've carried her out or something. She snapped out of it when Clementine was leaving so if Clementine was more aggressive at getting her out she could've been saved.
The moment you play a zombie game, you lost all realism. Also, this was a character dump; just like in episode three of season 1. Bet you there's going to be a character dump next season in episode three too.
I agree wity you.
Sarah was my favourite character so far and i found their way to handle that character pretty offensive.
Now, a lot of… more people are saying that she and nick die because telltale stories are realistic and in realistic stories characters often die a meaningless death without the possibility to redeem themselves or show up a big internal change or evolution and i just want to say: who cares about realistic stories? If we have had a realistic story clementine probably would have died in the first episode of season 1.
I want a great story, and sarah probably was the best and the most interesting character so far and they definitly wasted her big potential. After this episode this will be probably my last telltale game.
The problem was that Sarah was never even given a chance to recover and keep living.
I know that's why he barely talks about Nick's death… more but it's still fucking stupid and reflects badly on him and everyone else because of Telltale's laziness.
It's not that he got mad, it's what he said. Some things are unforgivable and the power of words can be strong indeed. Just look at how she reacts to what he's saying. Kenny hurt her really badly. And he's supposed to look out for her. My Lee was sadly mistaken in wishing it to be Kenny to look after her.
She broke the group out of a camp she brought them to in the first place. She kept quiet about it on the condition Clem didn't say her name, which was all she cared about. "Said and did bad things" is kind of... glossing over it.
Mike grew on me a tiny bit this episode. My main gripe with him is I just have no reason to care. He's just kind of there, occasionally saying funny things.
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What was?! The fact that, after losing his lover, after his wife and son, he freaked out?! I DON'T blame him! When he cooled off in the tent, he was much more compreensive. It's not like he beat up Clem or anything. He just... didn't believe what was happening and didn't want to feel guilty so he blamed Clem. However he knew deep down that that was the only way to go... he regrets arguing with Clem and my Clem forgives him.
Okay, I know it seems so. I'm not completely oblivious to the fact that Joel decided to pull a douche move, but like I said before, it was understandable. She was like a replacement daughter to him, and if he had thrown that away, it would've pushed him over the edge.
He beat her up with words and that's not being melodramatic, her horrified reaction will always stick with me. He didn't want to feel guilty so he blamed Clem, in other words was immature and selfish. If he regrets it he'd have apologised profusely. Never done that for me. So, fuck him.
Luke's best friend Nick dies, so he decides to have sex to feel better.
Sarah's death happens to develop Jane's character and Clem's. Do you keep trying to save her? Altruism over pragmatic decisions?
Kenny is angry because everyone he has ever loved or liked has constantly died, he had a near-death experience, and he sometimes forget that Clementine, the girl he relies on, cherishes, and knows is capable as can be, sometimes fails and is still a kid. He pulls it together for the baby.
Mike is trying to be good for group at a hard time. I like him, even though it's likely Telltale will think we won't like him, and just murder him for the sake of murder. Fuck Telltale sometimes.
Bonnie has a streak of bad decision-making but tries to have morals guide her. She betrayed a group, was a drug addict, slutted on some girl's husband, and justified wanton death initially. But she's doing what she can, and even let the group escape the first time without telling Carver.
Yeah. I'm kid of mad at the group. No one except Jane really even cared Sarah died. I looked at the screen like "Why are you guys smiling, a fifteen year old girl just fell and got eaten alive."
Every episode it feels like...
I have no idea why everyone hates Kenny?
As if all of the other characters have said things they don't mean?
I mean Kenny even corrected luke after he had his childish breakdown about Jane.
it's not just the sex guys... TBH, I think the main issue is his constant bitching on this episode, he's just always complaining about something or getting into a petty argument with Kenny
What, OP's reasons? I read them, and I completely disagree. Bonnie had every right to justify Walter's murder because as she rightly says, Carver only killed him to protect his people since "Kenny could've killed us all."
And Bonnie had no idea what she was taking her old friends back to. Judging by her reaction to Reggie's death, she honestly didn't believe Carver would've treated them so horribly. She never saw him slap Sarah remember? And she is shocked when Clem tells her Carver didn't feed any of them, and says "Bill said you'd eat every night..."
Bonnie is pretty much the only character left besides Clem and Christa(if she's alive) that I really like. She looks out for Clem and is pretty much the only adult in the group who recognises that she's just a kid, but doesn't use that as a reason to look down on her. I liked her interactions with Clem because of her cool big sis vibe (dat jacket), and she's reasonable and relatively capable. The fact that we actually got to see her backstory (something rare for Season 2 characters) through 400 days also helps.
Mike is cool too, but I'm not really attached to him. Luke and Kenny can go fuck off for all I care.
I still love Luke. I hate how they made up him mess up in this way, but I still like him a lot. I hope the writers put in a scene where Luke talks about Nick next episode. There's no reason not to since he's dead in all games now. I read a post somewhere that Luke's disappointment over Jane leaving had less to do with actually really liking her, but more to do with having the last thing that took him away from the tragedies of this world without any notice. Selfish? Yeah, but he's not a horrible person like people are chalking him up to be now. I still trust him.
I did not appreciate how they killed off Nick. There was literally no point in saving him in episode two if he was just going to have two lines, get shot in the shoulder, and then die while stuck in a fence.
Im very surprised at all this support for Bonnie and I keep hearing how she helped the group out of the store, all she did was open the gate, which led them straight into being held at gunpoint by Carver.
Shes a complete coward, she explains to Clem that it wasnt really her fault at the lodge, bullshit, she had a choice, she chose to kidnap and imprison all of them. You cant trust anyone who makes false interpretations of events to justify their actions. And again, the whole "were friends now" attitude was incredibly condescending, no child is that stupid.
Yes of course, she had a choice to betray and take on three dangerous armed men for the sake of some people she barely knew and people that, from her POV, betrayed her community and ran away. And what "we're friends now" attitude? She begs for Clem's forgiveness in episode 3, and even tells her that she'll understand if Clem doesn't trust her.
Her best friend? I didn't even like Sarah. She seemed like a liability from day one. Sorry if that seems cold. In my playthrough, Clem was largely just humoring her most of the time--hoping she could count on her and taking care of her because it was the decent thing to do. Not because of any particular friendship.
Don't hate this is just a possibility,Luke on the inside about Nick felt terrible he was just too worried about getting out of their alive at the moment,and when they got out he had to find a way to keep his mind off everything bad that had happened, (including the death of Nick if he was saved) so he kept himself busy and then Jane and Luke had an intimate moment which helped him cope even more;just a theory.
I think it's a good rule of thumb for us at this point that EVERY character introduced in TWD WILL either DIE or LEAVE unceremoniously.
There's no use forming attachments to ANYONE, because when the "xxx when remember that" comes up, you know it's a lie because xxx will probaby just randomly die soon.
Not going to be shocked at all if in the last episode everyone except Kenny, the baby and the new 3 named Russians just died right there randomly. Who cares about writing an actual ending for characters right? Everyone just shoots each other. How convenient.
Dude, for the most part I agree with you. This episode, as well as this season... It wasn't bad, but it was nowhere near Telltale's standards. All the stories that Telltale brought to life were about the characters, working through tough situations(puzzles) and the setting/theme, with action and drama simply at the background. And by this, I mean that having characters argue or be put at harm's way doesn't matter if you can't connect to the characters. You can't enjoy where the plot is taking you if the pace is too fast to soak everything in...
I'll just give you an example; this is the lists of who I cared about for Season 1 and Season 2.
Season 1:
EVERYONE in the group, even those I disliked (Larry, Lilly, Ben)
Season 2:
Clementine, Mike, Bonnie, Jane, Pete, Nick(debatable) and Kenny(on the line).
Two of those from season 2 that I liked are now dead, and one of them didn't even get a chance once he became a determinant character. And now, Jane, who Clem kinda started to look up to like a big sister, left. Now I have two men constantly arguing and fighting, to which I'm not sure if I want to save either of them, and Mike and Bonnie that I can actually trust to keep Clem safe (for now). The baby... well... yeah, it's just done for.
I just couldn't feel for the characters as much, nor keep up with the pace the 1hr - 1 1/2hr episodes set.
I didn't have much reason to save Sarah, and only did because I didn't want her death on Clem's hands. But now... I wonder if that was the best thing to do, since she actually decided to keep living only to be ripped apart by walkers in the same day. Perhaps that was the point(which I think it was), and I can't say I didn't like how the death worked out. I just wish that I'd had a reason to care about her life, other than a promise to protect her from her father.
I didn't really care about Sarita dying, but how it would affect Kenny. That was why I tried to save her(main reason, anyway).
Nick's death was uncalled for and just a waste of time if that was all he was meant to do. He didn't do anything helpful after episode 2. He didn't really have many lines, either. He was just there for the ride, and then died/turned off-screen. And then Clem is forced to put him down, with Jane encouraging that 'she should do it because it was her friend?' She just killed Sarita not even a day ago, and she killed both the Stranger/Lee in my S1 playthrough... So it isn't like he was there to prepare her for anything.
Rebecca... a witch in episode 1, a little nicer in episode 2, and then a complete 180... After wanting Clem dead for pretty much an entire episode, was I supposed to sympathize with her and her child? Especially when it's probably not even Alvin's? I was nice because I didn't see reasons for arguing with her, and she was actually a nice person until her death. But that doesn't explain why the sudden change of character? Same with Carlos, honestly...
I dunno... I feel like I'm just ranting now. It wasn't a bad episode, and I feel like in terms of hard decisions/bleakness, this episode was incredible. Might be the best episode of the season for me... but that is not a good thing. I want to give this episode an 8/10, but if I do, then that would mean the other episodes weren't that good. 80 or less... if I had brought home grades of 80 and less to my parents when I was younger, they would have flipped... And I feel that Telltale can still make a season as good as season 1. Sorry, Telltale. I'm just trying to be honest about my opinion. I think lapiswolf's post should be heavily considered.
I think it was more that Nick was apart of the tight knit group Rebecca was with so his death just jabbed her a bit. It's kind of strange that she didn't react to Sarah's death.
Have to second that one. One of the few characters to ever call herself Clem's friend pitifully died like two minutes ago, I wasn't really up for a heartwarming scene.
Well, technically Duck and Ben were her friends, but still, I agree. Clem just lost one of the few people we could really call one of her friends, I don't want to cheer up.
Telltale is IGNORANT and don't care what fans think, and don't care for their characters as well. They probably care more about shitty borderlands than walking dead by now. Pathetic.
Watch the views and likes sky rocket, and telltale hide and laugh counting their cash. From now on, I'm totally not recommending any of these games to anybody. And i'm skipping out on episode 5 and all telltale future games.
I just remembered something. When Luke started getting all sad when we were going back to the camp and he said "I can't believe it." I thought it was going to be about Nick, but no, it was because he went through the skylight first, something that he didn't even decided. Jane told him to. Like seriously Luke, that's what your thinking about, not your lifelong friend's death?
Well, that's how evolution works. "Pro-natal society" is an odd sort of way to describe natural selection and the protection of the innocents. What's your ethic, and how does infanticide fit in with it?
Leaving the forums now. I'm tired of these complaining bitches.
Gran' disgraziato.
Vai all'inferno.
Che cazzo?
Pezzo di merda.
Figlio di troia.
Good bye everyone.
Anyone want me to translate this? I'm Italian and i know what he said. It's pretty friggin funny.
Bye Kenjen.
I see you've learned some Italian, KenJen.
Translation:
Big disgrace.
Go to hell.
What the fuck?
Piece of shit.
Son of a bitch.
Bye KenJen.
Well, haters gonna hate...
Ben's death...
learn with this guy @lapiswolf
I was referring to the reasons I listed.
If episode 3 is anything to go by, Carver has been a psycho for quite a while now, and for Bonnie to not notice that then she's got to be wilfully ignorant or slow. Then again, the drugs may have fucked her brain. Also, word would have gotten through to her somehow that Carver was being a maniac. There is no way to conceal such tyranny for long. This is just poor writing.
See, I don't like Bonnie because I know what writing is like, and I see what the writers want. They want us to like her, they're actively orchestrating situations for us to like her, instead of writing the characters and seeing where it goes. She, out of damn near all the characters, is the only overtly-nice one, and that makes her stand out. I also read that Errin Yvette (fuck spelling) is a girlfriend of one of the TTG team members, so that explains why she's a goddamn angel. And why she played that godawful Mary Sue Molly.
See, I like Mike (there's a slogan for a politician) because he is the only nice person who fits into the situation. He's calm, he's cool, but he's also hardened by the world and knows when to be a survivor like the rest, yet his neutral emotional state is that of a helpful dude who gets along with everyone.
Kenny 4 Lyfe.
Lots of unfair deaths :c
Sarah died and it made it seem like Clementine's promise and friendship were practically forgotten.
Nick died off-screen and didn't get a single word to say.
Rebecca dies at the end because she got tired or got hypothermia.
Also, Jane leaves the group with the medicine after having fun with Luke.
At least Mike's personality lightened the mood.
Gran disgraziato doesn't need the apostrophe and, besides that, nobody uses that term in italy
I agree wity you.
Sarah was my favourite character so far and i found their way to handle that character pretty offensive.
Now, a lot of people are saying that she and nick die because telltale stories are realistic and in realistic stories characters often die a meaningless death without the possibility to redeem themselves or show up a big internal change or evolution and i just want to say: who cares about realistic stories? If we have had a realistic story clementine probably would have died in the first episode of season 1.
I want a great story, and sarah probably was the best and the most interesting character so far and they definitly wasted her big potential. After this episode this will be probably my last telltale game.
I don't understand hate against bonnie, shes my faviroute character so maybe i'm a little bias. But i thought the reason why bonnie told carver about their location was because carver was looking for the group anyway? She would of returned to the camp with a box of food, it's obvious eyebrows were raise, carver probably thought it would have been the group.
I like how you assume I want all babies dead because I'm not all gung-ho for them. My ethic is that people should be free to choose whether or not to have children without any outside pressure. There are a lot of people right now who don't want kids but are pushed to anyways because babies are ~magic~ and with them your life can be like a Hallmark gift card.
I find it pretty gross that a character like Rebecca was discarded so quickly because she fulfilled her narrative purpose of having a baby. Women are more than noble cattle.
Barely knew? Betrayed her? Were you not paying attention in episode 3 at all?
She knew all of the cabin group very well and hints that she cares deeply for Luke. She also says she was supposed to go with them, but backed out, if anything, she betrayed them by staying.
But all right, I guess its okay to execute a man because people refuse to be restrained and kidnapped right? Carver isnt really that bad.
By barely knew, I was referring to Clem and the lodge survivors. And nothing suggests she knew the cabin group very well outside of Luke. They barely even reacted to her when she showed up at the lodge. Even then, her staying behind was not a betrayal. She was told of the escape plan, and she kept quiet about it. She had the chance to completely ruin their escape by blabbing, and chose to let them go.
And more like "I guess its justified to execute a man in order to prove you mean business so as to prevent the insane bearded redneck with a rifle from murdering anymore of your people"
And you know what I really appreciate about Bonnie? She is one of the very very few people who admits they made a horrible mistake and feels genuinely remorseful. She feels guilty as hell and apologizes, and she risks everything to make up for her fuck-up. Whether or not that redeems her in your eyes, she earned a ton of respect from me after being stuck with Kenny, i.e "Mr. I never do anything wrong and even if I do I will never own up for it or take responsibility for any of my mistakes".
Not to mention the people that were going to manufacture the cure? They were /mercenaries/ out for /profit/.
Still could've helped out Sarah. Could've carried her out or something. She snapped out of it when Clementine was leaving so if Clementine was more aggressive at getting her out she could've been saved.
The moment you play a zombie game, you lost all realism. Also, this was a character dump; just like in episode three of season 1. Bet you there's going to be a character dump next season in episode three too.
If that is the kind of thing you deem unforgivable I don't know how you play these games. That was tiny compared to things other characters have done