Jane Took Advantage Of Luke
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Think about it, Luke just lost his best friend of 20 years and probably has a lot of emotion bottled up inside of him, some people might say Luke doesn't care about anyone he knows dying but that is not true, when walking back to the meeting place with Clem, Jane and possibly Sarah (based on player choice) he says he cant believe himself for either almost leaving Sarah behind, or letting her die and that he will never forget it, this shows that although Luke doesn't show much emotion, he still has emotion and it eats him up inside, he has nobody else left in the group who cares about him (other than Clem but that's also based on player choice) and has felt so much pain, Jane who knows all this offers him sex and manipulates him just so she can get funky, even after this she says she doesn't care about Luke, however Luke thought they had something and she made him think that he had someone to love again, but nope, she just pulls a mega bitch move and leaves without even telling him, so why the fuck are people mad at Luke? why blame Luke? why not be mad at Jane?
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"Duuuh gurls cant taek advntage of men lawlawl"
There im saying it so the white knights dont embarass themselves first.
Honestly, i really hate all this "slut shaming" Jane is getting, in case you don't know, it takes 2 people to have sex, although you said all this stuff about Luke wanting a serious relationship, i really don't think that's true, they literally only just met, they were just doing it because they wanted too.
Also an added note, Jane left the group because she didn't want to see the people she cared for die, so i wouldn't really call it a mega bitch move, tbh.
EDIT: Just another thing, if Luke really did want a serious relation ship with Jane but that didn't happen he really has himself to blame, they pretty much just met, in my opinion it's what i would call a one night stand in real life terms.
Yeah I know, I'm assuming that most people are blaming Luke and thinking that because hes the guy hes ultimately responsible, however people seem to forget that having sex is pretty much a males biggest priority and because of that we can be easily manipulated, i'm not saying this because all men are shallow douchebags who want sex, i'm saying this because its just science
Honestly, i don't think this is really true, and i don't think anyone is mad at anyone, they had sex, the end, i don't think many people are pissed.
Janes gotten very little "slut shaming", ive seen most people freak out at Luke for this whole thing, and is Luke supposed to get to know her for a couple years first? chances are one of them will die before any of that happens, and even if they weren't getting back together, could you really blame Luke for getting it on? he just wanted ONE MINUTE of happiness in his shitty life
Also, despite her reasons for leaving, it was still a mega bitch move because she could have at least told Luke
Jane and Luke had a shitty day.
Jane just relived her sister through Sarah.
Luke hasn't been sleeping, eating, drinking for a few days.
Plus think of this on Luke's side of the equation.
Alvin died, Carlos died, Sarah ran off and is an insane wreck or he left her to die, Rebecca's about to give birth extremely shortly, Sarita's dead, Kenny's going bonkers, he doesn't know if he can trust Mike, Either Nick died too, or he just learned about it. Also unlike Jane, who did her job to get that door open, Luke had a job of scouting the perimeter for Walkers. He was stressed, she was stressed, they had bonded, and they had sex.
It's just sex. Badly timed sex, but who fucking cares? It's the biological process of how billions and more were born, you and I. If they wanna do the Winky Doo, let'em. The only thing you can blame is bad timing....
coughs AndBonnieAndLukeProbablyHadSexSoIncomingDramaBomb cough
Ben Made lots of Mistakes, PEople forgave him. Luke made only one mistake, And People hate him.
Darn. I was so hoping this wouldn't happen. Blaming the "slutty woman" while the guy gets off Scott free. So far, most people on these forums have been so reasonable about it. Blaming Luke is the logical action.
We're mad at Luke because we trusted Luke. We trusted him, and he said he would keep watch, so we trusted him to do it. But he didn't. And by not following through on his word, he broke our trust in him.
Of course, we're not mad at Jane because we didn't trust her. Everyone could see she was unreliable and could just totally take off at a moment's notice (which is exactly what she did). Bonnie knew it, Rebecca knew it, I knew it, everyone on this forum knew it. I liked Jane but I never trusted her, and she never broke any of her promises, so of course I wasn't mad at her. Besides, Jane was also in a bad place when she and Luke had sex. She was all upset about threatening Arvo and remembering her sister and reliving her sister's death with Sarah. Not that I'm saying that being in a bad place excuses making bad choices, because IT DOESN'T. But there is no way Jane took advantage of Luke.
After this, I honestly don't think that Bonnie and Luke had anything more than a solid friendship back at Howe's. And this is coming from a (very crushed) Bonnie and Luke shipper.
Not that I'm picking sides, but the reasoning for this is because Ben was a scared kid. Luke's an adult who has proven he's more than capable of holding his own.
Gonna drop this here.
Luke defense essay
you cant even complain about steryotypes cause ever since 2011 or so theyve all
changed, now the guy gets blamed 100% and the woman gets off scott free
Oh, give me a break. If Luke still has the mental faculties and ability to create drama within the group by labeling Mike as an overeager outsider who hasn't earned his place in the group, after everyone he's lost and all the supposed pain he's felt, then he's more than capable of making the right choice on whether or not to have sex when he should be doing something more important. In no way does Luke seem broken down by all that's happened that he should be easily taken advantage of.
Maybe if the writing reflected that, I could agree, but it doesn't. Luke is made to be an idiot and that's exactly what he was. Jane was no better, but she's not a heartless manipulator. Unlike Luke, Jane is clearly showing signs of holding back pain from her past the entire damn episode, and that is reflected in the writing. Luke's situation is obviously specifically made for him and Kenny to have another falling out, since that's the backbone of everything and both of them were shown to have their flaws and failings this episode. And then he admits that he himself screwed up.
So please, everyone, let's drop this silliness of implicitly blaming Jane when both were stupid and are to blame for their own actions.
Janes a pretty sweet piece of ass and its probably been over a year since hes busted a nut, cant blame him
That kinda contradicts your original statement, saying he was manipulated, i mean, if he did it cause she was a "sweet piece of ass" it doesn't really seem like hes being manipulated
I blame them both equally, since I expected better of the both of them.
People still hate Ben to this day, what are you talking about?
A couple of years? No. More than a few hours after she shot the last guy she made such an "offer" to? Yes.
Jane's assignment was to help find shelter , while Luke volunteered to patrol the perimeter, Jane had finished her assignment . Luke chose to stop patrolling the perimeter to go talk to Jane. If you are Jane would you think that Luke would be stupid enough to leave the group at risk? Jane has a strong survivor mentality, would she risk being surprised by walkers in order to sleep with Luke? The whole she made me an offer so I could not refuse, really , that floats ? And Luke may feel guilty about Sarah because he had spent HOURS trying to convince her to move .
Am still more mad at Luke then Jane. At least she did what she had to do[ find Rebecca shelter and get it open plus thought bout the meds]
Luke just str8t up threw everything in the air for a quickie,she did not manipulate him, she made a offer and Luke accepted it
I'm mad at Luke a little because he accepted the offer and the timing just sucked....
I haven't read all the comments so I'm probably just repeating what someone else just said but... wow. It's just sex! When you're an adult, sex doesn't always include emotions. Especially not when you've known each other for two minutes.
If Luke can't handle some strange, he really can't handle a life in that raw universe.
Whilst I get your point of view completely, and she definitely did manipulate him, didn't they all just meet her? He had only known her three or four days or a week max, so really for him to say that is somewhat illogical. But having said that, he was in a vulnerable state and there;s no knowing what she would have said to get sex out of him. All I saying is that I'm not going to rush into blaming JUST her for the whole thing, when he is an adult capable of making his own decisions.
I'm a very fair person, I blame Luke just as much as I do Jane.
If either of them gave a shit about the safety of the group, they would've kept it in their pants until we weren't dealing with all the bullshit we were dealing with. Jane leaving was her backpedaling from the situation though, after going on and on about survival and keeping your head on straight, she goes and lets something as miniscule as sex wager her choices.
Luke is no better, he had a responsibility to keep us informed on the status of the perimeter. What he thought would be a better ideal? Screw some emotionally deviot survivalist and think she'll get attached to you? Who do you think you're fooling?
Yep... Let's all just forget that they are supposed to be human and have idiotic reactions and needs to avoid pain sometimes. The whole game is based on gray decisions, and here you are trying to make it all black or white.
You are not seeing what Luke Did, He ran across the state to save his friends from Carver, And On the Bridge When Clementine almost Slipped, He wanted to catch her, But he couldn't, If u leave Sarah, He still says that it was his fault, And if you bring Sarah, He still blame himself that He was going to Leave her. And He just Took One Break and........
I read this on facebook.
Luke had a responsibility. It got Sarah killed. No excuses.
Jane hit it, and quit it.
Jane was arrested today. She was charged with a hit and run. XD
Well, in all honesty, lousy writing killed Sarah.
Not really no.
Did you miss the part where I said I wasn't picking sides? I'm merely pointing out why it's so easy for people to dislike him now: it's BECAUSE Luke did all that that makes it such a blow.
Wait, what? I haven't been around the forums much lately, but slut shaming Jane? People doing that are BSing... So she wanted a little quickie. Big deal. It's not like she took him out to dinner, had him meet her parents, and then dumped him as soon as she screwed him...
Yes I guess you do need sex to live right?
You guys.. Jesus Christ are you fucking kidding me?
Umm... We didn't see anything of anything. Maybe she just looked at him and said 'how about a lil' of the ol' in-and-out?" in her best Malcolm McDowell impression. We know nothing to suggest that she indicated that there would be strings attached. If you have a one night stand with somebody, is that manipulating them? I don't think so. If you say, "oh I love you and I want to be with you" then you dump him immediately, then yeah, that's manipulative, but we have no indication that that happened.
Besides, people aren't mad about the sex, they're mad about the abandoning of the post, for which both parties are responsible.
She did dump him as soon as she was done..
And slut shaming always happen if there is sex
I'm not saying she didn't make short work of it, I'm just saying she didn't (as far as we know) lead Luke to believe that it was true love and a long lasting relationship. Same way if you meet somebody at a bar and have sex with them that night, generally speaking there's a social understanding that one party is not beholden to the other.
"Slut shaming always happen if there is sex" - Perhaps, and if so I think that's a major problem with our society.
In all honesty, you can't expect to have a username like that and not have every one of your posts to get a shitload of downvotes. No offense to you or your username, I particularly like Kenny (even though he is becoming more and more broken, he had many reasons for acting the way he did in Episode 4, so I forgive him), but I don't hate.
In regards to your post, I like Jane as a character, I thought she was going to be really interesting as soon as she started talking in Episode 3, and I enjoyed the development she received in 4. When I first came across Luke and her, there was the initial "Yo, wtf?", and then when she left there was "Jane y u do
", but after reflecting on the episode, I thought about her character, and realized that she probably is the type of person who would offer sex and then not expect a serious relationship, Jane is all about survival, she wouldn't start a relationship with somebody. What I think went down was Luke went up there to check up as you do, he and Jane had a bit of a heart to heart because they do have something in common: loss. Jane knew how Luke felt and offered to ease his pain for a few minutes (or seconds, I don't know), but that's it. It was to relieve the stress that is brought on by the ZA, however short a time the stress is gone. Jane didn't want to start anything, and didn't think twice about having started something when she left (which she did because, as she says in the episode, she thinks she's been directly responsible for two deaths now, and doesn't want to be put in a third situation where she is unable to help a person). Luke, on the other hand, is not like Jane, he is probably not much younger than her, but he hasn't had to survive on his own like she has, he is much more naive compared to her, and when they talk and eventually have sex, he thinks that they've begun a serious relationship, you can tell this by his reaction to her leaving without telling him. Luke did put everyone in danger when he stopped checking the perimeter, and he does realize this and admit he fucked up.
So, in the end, I think they both are to blame for something, Jane (even though she was trying to help the situation) for offering sex at such an unseemly time, and Luke for accepting said offer and abandoning his watch. Luke is honestly more responsible in my opinion because he could have declined instead of endangering everyone, but Luke is weaker than Jane, he is, and the loss he has experienced would have a bigger toll on him than Jane (who has only lost one person that we know of), so he probably needed this so much that he couldn't decline. In no way do I think Jane is a slut that manipulated Luke "so she can get funky", nor do I think Luke is some fucking idiot who just wanted sex and didn't care if his friends died.