well i don't know lies are hard to think up on the fly the best lies are with the truth i think avro's sister is real maybe not her problem with needing the medicine i think avro needs the medicine
I knew he was lying right away.. I would have offed him if given the chance too. He lied to his group about us (If you don't steal) and he lied about his "sister," he's just a deceptive person.
There is no such thing as evil, and that becomes much more evident in the setting of the Walking Dead. People are trying to survive. They do what they have to. Clem's group may see Arvo's as "evil", and the same can be said the other way around. We only think of Clem's group as the good guys because that's who we know and that's who we play as. But they are no more good or bad than anyone else trying to make it.
We are also only able to judge the actions of characters as being either "good" or "bad" because we live in a time and setting where such things are established. If we were all living in a zombie apocalypse playing this, we would probably see the actions of characters in a different light. It's never as simple as black and white. It's a whole mess of grey. Which is one of the things I really love about this whole series.
As I said, I'm Russian, and I totally understand what did they say. Maybe they used Russian proverb "eat you with your entrails" (get a flawless victory) and it confused some people, but I can't remember them saying something like this.
They opened fire because Kenny/Clem shot first and they overreacted. They wanted to rob Clem's group because Jane, a woman who they assumed… more belonged to them, had attacked, threatened and robbed Arvo of his weapons (and possibly medical supplies.)
It seems a little too obvious for them to just be generic "evil Russians". We'll probably change our minds just as players quickly changed their opinions about Bonnie. I have more faith in the writing than to just call them 'evil' because they're angry at Clem's group - you'd have done the same thing if a friend of yours was attacked and robbed.
I don't think Arvo is evil, if he was he wouldn't be shaking like a leaf when holding the gun towards Clem and wouldn't even bother to say t… morehey have a baby to his group. I'll be honest, I thought he was lying about his sister or the medicine, even if it was true, he wasn't telling us everything.
That said, I agree about the theory that the group is using him somehow. Though I think he was trying to hide the medicine from them. I didn't steal from him, he still said I did it. Which made me think he hid it away somewhere else and told them we (Jane) stole it. He doesn't want them to have the medicine for some reason and I believe it is because he don't like the rest of the group, most likely because they treat him like shit. He does say "they are laughing because you're little girl" makes me think, they are making fun of him because he got robbed by a little girl. Sounds pretty stereotypical bullying to me.
I kinda have to disagree with you when you say no one is straight up evil, because I can name a lot of sick assholes in history who have done some pretty evil things:
Adolf Hitler: responsible for the murder of countless men, women and children.
Osama bin Laden: Told his supporters to fly planes into the twin towers and murder thousands of U.S citizens.
In those cases, I don't think the motive or reason should matter, because nothing can justify what those people did.
Although I would like to say that I don't think the same of Arvo's group. They could easily have seen the group as a threat, so I can paritially understand their attitude.
No one is just straight up Evil, everyone has their reasons for things but some are more stricter than others on things, and I just don't like that they are SO the stereotypical Russian antagonist....
Yeah at least one half of TeamBike is gonna die in the shootout unless if another group takes out the Russians, and I just don't like that they are the stereotypical Russian villains because it's overdone in my opinion...
I knew he was lying right away.. I would have offed him if given the chance too. He lied to his group about us (If you don't steal) and he lied about his "sister," he's just a deceptive person.
They opened fire because Kenny/Clem shot first and they overreacted. They wanted to rob Clem's group because Jane, a woman who they assumed… more belonged to them, had attacked, threatened and robbed Arvo of his weapons (and possibly medical supplies.)
It seems a little too obvious for them to just be generic "evil Russians". We'll probably change our minds just as players quickly changed their opinions about Bonnie. I have more faith in the writing than to just call them 'evil' because they're angry at Clem's group - you'd have done the same thing if a friend of yours was attacked and robbed.
Well, why in the fuck they claimed I stole their meds, even when I didn't? That's pretty evil don't you think?
I'm sure they're just some junkies dealing drugs with another group, that's why Arvo was hiding the bag to a trash can. If they're for his sister, why he tried to hide them? Or is it some sick game; "Hehehe I hide the medicine bag you little cunt sister, go find it or do you wanna die?!"
They opened fire because Kenny/Clem shot first and they overreacted. They wanted to rob Clem's group because Jane, a woman who they assumed… more belonged to them, had attacked, threatened and robbed Arvo of his weapons (and possibly medical supplies.)
It seems a little too obvious for them to just be generic "evil Russians". We'll probably change our minds just as players quickly changed their opinions about Bonnie. I have more faith in the writing than to just call them 'evil' because they're angry at Clem's group - you'd have done the same thing if a friend of yours was attacked and robbed.
Yeah, he did. Eddie also said that Nate's group were a bunch of assholes that were dangerous, and given who Nate is, that too is a fact. If you think Nate went on a righteous quest to get revenge for a good friend's death, well, I don't know what to tell ya. You're wrong.
As for what happened to the old couple, keep the gun out of the old man's reach, and they're never a threat again. Nate had no reason to kill the two of them in that moment. His actions are not justified except to someone who's biased in his favor. Period.
no not right...
Eddie shot his friend in the head when he was taking a dump in the woods fact.
Old people shoot first, Nate shoots las… moret, i don't see the problem. In a survival situation first rule of survival is to either eliminate or avoid a known threat. How does Nate know they won't do it again, what if someone got killed because grandpa went crazy , and we just let him keep his guns. It would be on me.
I assume you mean a black and white view of good and evil. I'd be the first to say yes, oh, most certainly. Case in point, the Governor, one of the most straight up "wahahaha I'm evil" villains ever. Or if we're talking mainly about the game, you got Carver and the Save Lots bandits. Meanwhile, you also have characters like Sarah, who has not a single evil bone in her body. So sure, while most characters tend to have shades of grey, there are also a lot of characters in TWD who are straight up good, and straight up evil.
Sorry that man was insane all the way through. That look in his cartoony insane eyes told us this man can never be trusted ever and most likely pretty dangerous even towards those he likes. ps they could put him in for 50 secs and still.
no not right...
Eddie shot his friend in the head when he was taking a dump in the woods fact.
Old people shoot first, Nate shoots las… moret, i don't see the problem. In a survival situation first rule of survival is to either eliminate or avoid a known threat. How does Nate know they won't do it again, what if someone got killed because grandpa went crazy , and we just let him keep his guns. It would be on me.
Yeah, he did. Eddie also said that Nate's group were a bunch of assholes that were dangerous, and given who Nate is, that too is a fact. If … moreyou think Nate went on a righteous quest to get revenge for a good friend's death, well, I don't know what to tell ya. You're wrong.
As for what happened to the old couple, keep the gun out of the old man's reach, and they're never a threat again. Nate had no reason to kill the two of them in that moment. His actions are not justified except to someone who's biased in his favor. Period.
They were pissed that Jane attacked a member of their group, stole his gun, and threatened to kill him with it. Their reaction is an eye for an eye, honestly.
If the shoe was on the other foot, if Clementine was assaulted by the huge tattooed guy and robbed of her weapons, I wouldn't doubt that Kenny would go on a rampage.
Well, why in the fuck they claimed I stole their meds, even when I didn't? That's pretty evil don't you think?
I'm sure they're just some… more junkies dealing drugs with another group, that's why Arvo was hiding the bag to a trash can. If they're for his sister, why he tried to hide them? Or is it some sick game; "Hehehe I hide the medicine bag you little cunt sister, go find it or do you wanna die?!"
They were pissed that Jane attacked a member of their group, stole his gun, and threatened to kill him with it. Their reaction is an eye fo… morer an eye, honestly.
If the shoe was on the other foot, if Clementine was assaulted by the huge tattooed guy and robbed of her weapons, I wouldn't doubt that Kenny would go on a rampage.
In the zombie Apocalypse, there is no 911, if someone shoots at me , they better be able to finish what they started. I would react the same exact way, you eliminate the threat. The old woman was gutshot, she was dead. No saving her. Putting a bullet in her was mercy.
Someone kills my friend during the ZA, they aren't coming back in episode 5.
Yeah, he did. Eddie also said that Nate's group were a bunch of assholes that were dangerous, and given who Nate is, that too is a fact. If … moreyou think Nate went on a righteous quest to get revenge for a good friend's death, well, I don't know what to tell ya. You're wrong.
As for what happened to the old couple, keep the gun out of the old man's reach, and they're never a threat again. Nate had no reason to kill the two of them in that moment. His actions are not justified except to someone who's biased in his favor. Period.
Of course they aren't evil, they are just playing with our minds again.
We haven't seen the groups shooting at each other, so my guess is that walkers came from the woods.
And I don't blame Arvo for lieing, it's a skill that has kept him alive.
Wishing neither to defend or further assault the motives of the abovementioned people, I should just like to offer another example which might give doubts as to the (in)defensibility of some very murderous actions: Harry S. Truman for ordering his army to drop atomic bombs on two Japanese cities causing the deaths of between 130,000 and 245,000 men, women, and children.
I'm just trying to point out that very few people wake up and say "Today I will act in some way simply because that is the evil thing to do".
Nobody is motivated in that way. People are likely to try and figure out the right way to act and attempt to do that - but nobody acts in a way because that way is evil. Other things motivate to do actions that are evil.
Truman and co. saw the nuclear bombings as the best way to end the war with Japan, whilst showing enough strength to discourage possible Soviet aggression in Europe (and elsewhere). But I reckon that reason didn't matter much to Mr. and Mrs. Nagasaki resident.
Much as Bin Laden and co. probably had/have reasons to view the US as the big enemy that must be fought by any means necessary - and if we can symbolically his their center of trade it'll be a great blow. That reasoning did not matter to anyone who lost someone because of the attacks.
Let me conclude with saying that I hope I haven't offended anyone (too much at least). And if I have offended you - perhaps by discussing 9/11 - then I would also be expecting you to have contacted your political representatives in Washington (if you're American of course) to get the politicians to actually pass laws to support the first responders others who selflessly got involved with helping on that day.
I kinda have to disagree with you when you say no one is straight up evil, because I can name a lot of sick assholes in history who have don… moree some pretty evil things:
Adolf Hitler: responsible for the murder of countless men, women and children.
Osama bin Laden: Told his supporters to fly planes into the twin towers and murder thousands of U.S citizens.
In those cases, I don't think the motive or reason should matter, because nothing can justify what those people did.
Although I would like to say that I don't think the same of Arvo's group. They could easily have seen the group as a threat, so I can paritially understand their attitude.
Fair point about Truman. Also, I should have worded my statement more clearly. I didn't suggest that people wake up and decided to do the evil thing. Those people such as Hitler,Truman and bin Laden did have motives for doing what the did, but in the case of Hitler and bin Laden, it was their desire to force their belief on their own people that led to that decision. If bin Laden had control of America (which would never and will never happen because... America), would you be surprised if he forced Islam on everyone in the country? The same applies to Hitler. They had evil motives and tried t justify slaughtering millions of innocent people. It's sick that conflict is still driven by religion in the 21st century.
Wishing neither to defend or further assault the motives of the abovementioned people, I should just like to offer another example which mig… moreht give doubts as to the (in)defensibility of some very murderous actions: Harry S. Truman for ordering his army to drop atomic bombs on two Japanese cities causing the deaths of between 130,000 and 245,000 men, women, and children.
I'm just trying to point out that very few people wake up and say "Today I will act in some way simply because that is the evil thing to do".
Nobody is motivated in that way. People are likely to try and figure out the right way to act and attempt to do that - but nobody acts in a way because that way is evil. Other things motivate to do actions that are evil.
Truman and co. saw the nuclear bombings as the best way to end the war with Japan, whilst showing enough strength to discourage possible Soviet aggression in Europe (and elsewhere). But I reckon that reason didn't … [view original content]
Fair point about Truman. Also, I should have worded my statement more clearly. I didn't suggest that people wake up and decided to do the ev… moreil thing. Those people such as Hitler,Truman and bin Laden did have motives for doing what the did, but in the case of Hitler and bin Laden, it was their desire to force their belief on their own people that led to that decision. If bin Laden had control of America (which would never and will never happen because... America), would you be surprised if he forced Islam on everyone in the country? The same applies to Hitler. They had evil motives and tried t justify slaughtering millions of innocent people. It's sick that conflict is still driven by religion in the 21st century.
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well i don't know lies are hard to think up on the fly the best lies are with the truth i think avro's sister is real maybe not her problem with needing the medicine i think avro needs the medicine
I love that gif it makes me Laugh.
wtf is teambike?
There is no such thing as evil, and that becomes much more evident in the setting of the Walking Dead. People are trying to survive. They do what they have to. Clem's group may see Arvo's as "evil", and the same can be said the other way around. We only think of Clem's group as the good guys because that's who we know and that's who we play as. But they are no more good or bad than anyone else trying to make it.
We are also only able to judge the actions of characters as being either "good" or "bad" because we live in a time and setting where such things are established. If we were all living in a zombie apocalypse playing this, we would probably see the actions of characters in a different light. It's never as simple as black and white. It's a whole mess of grey. Which is one of the things I really love about this whole series.
i hope so or there friends with the st.jones
maybe it is a political statement, current affairs, maybe someone at telltale wanted to make a symbolic statement.
yea lets see them laugh while clementine kills the lot of them...... they done and pissed off mama bear
lee quote a man is'n bad a man just is
I believe it's the team of Bonnie and mIKE - B IKE - bike
I kinda have to disagree with you when you say no one is straight up evil, because I can name a lot of sick assholes in history who have done some pretty evil things:
Adolf Hitler: responsible for the murder of countless men, women and children.
Osama bin Laden: Told his supporters to fly planes into the twin towers and murder thousands of U.S citizens.
In those cases, I don't think the motive or reason should matter, because nothing can justify what those people did.
Although I would like to say that I don't think the same of Arvo's group. They could easily have seen the group as a threat, so I can paritially understand their attitude.
They don't seem stereotypical. They do what any group does so far
You'd kill him without any knowledge of him?
Why are people saying generic Russians anyway? They've only done what many other groups have done, yet because they're Russian it's political now aye
Well, why in the fuck they claimed I stole their meds, even when I didn't? That's pretty evil don't you think?
I'm sure they're just some junkies dealing drugs with another group, that's why Arvo was hiding the bag to a trash can. If they're for his sister, why he tried to hide them? Or is it some sick game; "Hehehe I hide the medicine bag you little cunt sister, go find it or do you wanna die?!"
but we can try to make a deal for peaceful and arvo says no they want all of there stuff i didn't steal for him so that means they are not nice people
Yeah, he did. Eddie also said that Nate's group were a bunch of assholes that were dangerous, and given who Nate is, that too is a fact. If you think Nate went on a righteous quest to get revenge for a good friend's death, well, I don't know what to tell ya. You're wrong.
As for what happened to the old couple, keep the gun out of the old man's reach, and they're never a threat again. Nate had no reason to kill the two of them in that moment. His actions are not justified except to someone who's biased in his favor. Period.
I assume you mean a black and white view of good and evil. I'd be the first to say yes, oh, most certainly. Case in point, the Governor, one of the most straight up "wahahaha I'm evil" villains ever. Or if we're talking mainly about the game, you got Carver and the Save Lots bandits. Meanwhile, you also have characters like Sarah, who has not a single evil bone in her body. So sure, while most characters tend to have shades of grey, there are also a lot of characters in TWD who are straight up good, and straight up evil.
True. They're survivors just trying to survive like everyone else, unfortunately they and Clem's group happened to cross paths with one another.
Sorry that man was insane all the way through. That look in his cartoony insane eyes told us this man can never be trusted ever and most likely pretty dangerous even towards those he likes. ps they could put him in for 50 secs and still.
damkylan i wish i saw ur post first.
They were pissed that Jane attacked a member of their group, stole his gun, and threatened to kill him with it. Their reaction is an eye for an eye, honestly.
If the shoe was on the other foot, if Clementine was assaulted by the huge tattooed guy and robbed of her weapons, I wouldn't doubt that Kenny would go on a rampage.
ok then the bald tattooed guy is there kenny that goes to show kenny is dangerous for the group and should be left behind
In the zombie Apocalypse, there is no 911, if someone shoots at me , they better be able to finish what they started. I would react the same exact way, you eliminate the threat. The old woman was gutshot, she was dead. No saving her. Putting a bullet in her was mercy.
Someone kills my friend during the ZA, they aren't coming back in episode 5.
Of course they aren't evil, they are just playing with our minds again.
We haven't seen the groups shooting at each other, so my guess is that walkers came from the woods.
And I don't blame Arvo for lieing, it's a skill that has kept him alive.
Wishing neither to defend or further assault the motives of the abovementioned people, I should just like to offer another example which might give doubts as to the (in)defensibility of some very murderous actions: Harry S. Truman for ordering his army to drop atomic bombs on two Japanese cities causing the deaths of between 130,000 and 245,000 men, women, and children.
I'm just trying to point out that very few people wake up and say "Today I will act in some way simply because that is the evil thing to do".
Nobody is motivated in that way. People are likely to try and figure out the right way to act and attempt to do that - but nobody acts in a way because that way is evil. Other things motivate to do actions that are evil.
Truman and co. saw the nuclear bombings as the best way to end the war with Japan, whilst showing enough strength to discourage possible Soviet aggression in Europe (and elsewhere). But I reckon that reason didn't matter much to Mr. and Mrs. Nagasaki resident.
Much as Bin Laden and co. probably had/have reasons to view the US as the big enemy that must be fought by any means necessary - and if we can symbolically his their center of trade it'll be a great blow. That reasoning did not matter to anyone who lost someone because of the attacks.
Let me conclude with saying that I hope I haven't offended anyone (too much at least). And if I have offended you - perhaps by discussing 9/11 - then I would also be expecting you to have contacted your political representatives in Washington (if you're American of course) to get the politicians to actually pass laws to support the first responders others who selflessly got involved with helping on that day.
No such thing as evil. Bad and stupid? Yeah. Evil? Nah.
Fair point about Truman. Also, I should have worded my statement more clearly. I didn't suggest that people wake up and decided to do the evil thing. Those people such as Hitler,Truman and bin Laden did have motives for doing what the did, but in the case of Hitler and bin Laden, it was their desire to force their belief on their own people that led to that decision. If bin Laden had control of America (which would never and will never happen because... America), would you be surprised if he forced Islam on everyone in the country? The same applies to Hitler. They had evil motives and tried t justify slaughtering millions of innocent people. It's sick that conflict is still driven by religion in the 21st century.
I keep being surprised at this forum... I could've sworn this was on the internet - yet people are so level headed and rational!
You make good points, and I agree in most regards