It's frankly amazing how you still can't manage to understand this.
I didn't say anything about how Kenny is as a person. I didn't say anything about whether his actions have been justifiable or not. The character doesn't have to be a morally good character in order to be a well written character. I'm not even going to argue whether he is a good guy or not as it is 100% irrelevant.
For the hundredth time, just because you don't like Kenny as a person does not mean that he is not a well written character. Wny can't you manage to seperate these two things?
You're right, Kenny is a great character... He can do NO wrong, none at all. I won't continue to give you my points anymore if you don't lis… moreten.
Kenny is the greatest, he could kill Clementine and the group and still be justified. Y'know why? Cause he's Kenny, and he lost his selfish wife and mentally handicapped son. Which is justification for ANY future actions.
Please don't respond, because I won't. Kenny rules, everyone drolls. You win, Kenny would be proud.
When i meant payback as in Payback in the Narrative sense. @Wowmutt said if you intend to kill someone and fail, don't get upset that payback is a bitch
And That Larry deserved to die because he failed at killing Lee. that's a false equivalence. So Kenny Killing Larry in front of Lilly, then Kenny getting the same treatment where he watches Sarita get killed would be "payback" (karma) for what he did to Lilly.
A woman dying from a zombie attack is not "revenge". Payback would actually mean Lilly killing Kenny in revenge.
Or, more likely by this… more point, Kenny seriously having to consider the fact that he's endangering the group and will have to be put down for their safety.
He still ended up accepting it, he was of course very upset for a while though. Wouldn't you be? If he really thought Clementine was wrong for what she did, he wouldn't have just moved on.
You forgot that that someone who was murdered in cold blood also attempted to murder someone else in cold blood before, just because he didn't like him?
Well some people think that it's perfectly fine to murder someone they hate in cold blood with their only family member left watches them ge… moret a deadly makeover and a little girl is present to.
Other people think that it's perfectly fine to kill a Walker that wasn't very dislikeable, was the only important thing left to someone, and was in that situation because you tried to save that person, even though you get blamed for it no matter what you do.
Kenny had every right to be an ass, he lost everything he had, AGAIN.
And also, Luke's aways pushing Kenny's buttons and argue with him.
Fe; when Kenny want's to hold the baby, Luke makes a complete drama about it.
I'm still loving Kenny, but Luke is starting to bother me sometimes.
Belan isn't asking you to praise Kenny or proclaim that he's the best character ever, all he is pointing out is that just because you hate Kenny, that doesn't mean he's a poorly written character. Everyone but you can see that you're biased. Just admit you're biased and move on.
You're right, Kenny is a great character... He can do NO wrong, none at all. I won't continue to give you my points anymore if you don't lis… moreten.
Kenny is the greatest, he could kill Clementine and the group and still be justified. Y'know why? Cause he's Kenny, and he lost his selfish wife and mentally handicapped son. Which is justification for ANY future actions.
Please don't respond, because I won't. Kenny rules, everyone drolls. You win, Kenny would be proud.
Yeah, he is. But.... "What's the most important thing in this world?" -"Clem, it's my dick."
Credit goes to the amazing @Prid… moree
I'm just saying, everyone is a bit of a hypocrite at this point. The reasong being that most of the time you have to be.
-Lee can go off on Kenny for murder when he's done it before himself and determinantly does it again 5 mimutes later.
-Clementine can condemn Carver for his actions and leave Sarah to die a day later.
-Alvin seemed really pissed that Nick killed Matthew but we later find out he wasn't a stranger to murder either.
Kenny IS a hypocrite, but so is everyone, or mostly everyone who's lived 2 years in the ZA.
In other words, my only problem with your thread is that it appears to be just another biased one that further proves Kenny's fans point: they might not be the most annoying out there after all.
Seriously, I eat these types of threads for breakfast. Every point that was brought up was nonsensical and suffered from that person's clouded judgement.
The least I can do is give you an upvote for your support, heh.
Actually, Larry dying was a 100 % certainty. Larry didn't just stop breathing or go into cardiac arrest, he had a heart attack. It has to be noted that Larry had a preexisting heart condition that required a specific type of medication that they didn't have access to while locked in a meat locker. Also, CPR alone is not sufficient in reviving someone who just had a heart attack, all it does for the victim is reduce the amount of brain damage done from lack of oxygen until an EMT with the proper equipment arrives. Among the required equipment, they would definitely need the AED the most. Obviously, seeing as they're in the middle of an apocalypse and are locked inside a meat locker by cannibals, nobody was coming to help them.
Now,some would suggest that an adequate amount of mechanical force to the chest (beyond the compressions in CPR) could potentially kickstart a heart. This (known as precordial thump) used to be part of the algorithm used by professionals (ACLS - Advanced Cardiac Life Support) but has fallen out of favor and subsequently been removed for a variety of reasons. What really restarts a heart in a ventricular rhythm is defibrillation.
With all this taken into account, along with the fact that they were locked inside a meat locker with absolutely no access to any of the required medication/equipment, and nobody there had professional training, Larry dying and then subsequently turning on them and eating everybody was inevitable.There was no saving Larry, so Kenny made the right call on immediately putting him down.
But if Sarita made it out of the herd and then subsequently died from her bite wound and infection, you can be damned sure Kenny would be th… moree first (and only) one to say: "Fucking hell Clementine you stupid little kid! You had a hatchet, you know what to do - why the hell didn't you cut of her arm before it was too late"
Sarita dying (at least without Clem chopping her arm off) was a 100% certainty - not so with Larry.
And so is Murdering a woman's father who probably Knows more than Kenny about her father's condition/seen and treated her father at his Wors… moret health? Kenny had no right, KATJAA maybe who has atleast minimal Knowledge of First aid but nowhere in Hell should Kenny be excused for murdering a man who he didn't even know was dead. This is also in direct correlation to Katjaa who was desperately treating Ben's friend to his final moments covered in blood to save him, yet Kenny makes some bland assumption that a heart attack from stress is suddenly the end of the line for Larry? People are resuscitated from Drowning and having a heart stop for up to 10 minutes.
Also even covered in zombie guts you can still get bit by a zombie. I don't think A Meat LOCKER is going to bite you if you make alot of noise. Clementine cutting off Sarita's arm is wrong but she is an 11 year old girl who has seen it work. Reggie was proof of that. It was a quick decisio… [view original content]
No problem. And you're right, I just read through the whole thread and almost every single point brought up is biased to a laughable degree. Just keep doing what you're doing, these people obviously don't know who they messing with.:)
Thanks, Gurl.
Seriously, I eat these types of threads for breakfast. Every point that was brought up was nonsensical and suffered from that person's clouded judgement.
The least I can do is give you an upvote for your support, heh.
No problem. And you're right, I just read through the whole thread and almost every single point brought up is biased to a laughable degree. Just keep doing what you're doing, these people obviously don't know who they messing with.:)
Shooting down poorly constructed/biased arguments is one of my favorite past times, it feeds my soul lol. So we'll most definitely see each other on the battlefield again!
Wow. before I thought you were just being willfully obtuse about what I was trying to say, but now I think you just genuinely don't get such a simple concept.
But I'm glad you have your little circle jerk to validate each other.
Thanks, Gurl.
Seriously, I eat these types of threads for breakfast. Every point that was brought up was nonsensical and suffered from that person's clouded judgement.
The least I can do is give you an upvote for your support, heh.
Actually, Larry dying was a 100 % certainty. Larry didn't just stop breathing or go into cardiac arrest, he had a heart attack. It has to be… more noted that Larry had a preexisting heart condition that required a specific type of medication that they didn't have access to while locked in a meat locker. Also, CPR alone is not sufficient in reviving someone who just had a heart attack, all it does for the victim is reduce the amount of brain damage done from lack of oxygen until an EMT with the proper equipment arrives. Among the required equipment, they would definitely need the AED the most. Obviously, seeing as they're in the middle of an apocalypse and are locked inside a meat locker by cannibals, nobody was coming to help them.
Now,some would suggest that an adequate amount of mechanical force to the chest (beyond the compressions in CPR) could potentially kickstart a heart. This (known as precordial thump) used to be part of the algorithm … [view original content]
**Was actually just directly translated at translate-latin.com and put together with no regard for correct grammar, though I've had a year of schooling in latin it is so far back and I really cannot be bothered.
Sometimes I think people over-analyze scenes or situations. Was Kenny being a hypocrite for going off on Clem, proably, but so what. It doesnt change a thing that's happened. My Clem not only cut off Sarita's arm but she also put her down with the hatchet to end her suffering and in case she died and came back quickly to bite Kenny.. Was is "wrong"? that depends on the individual. To me, in that moment, it was the necessary thing to do and was done for the right reason.
My Lee and Kenny killed Larry with the saltlick because in the moment, it was needed. It was the right thing to do to save the rest of us. Of course Lilly wouldnt see it like that, just like Kenny doesnt see it like that about Sarita. Let the shock pass, in time Kenny may or may not realize and accept that Clem did it with the best of intentions.
There really wasn't a realistic chance to save Larry. Even if there was a small chance to resuscitate him, Larry would have turned into a walker before that would happen.
Actually, Larry dying was a 100 % certainty. Larry didn't just stop breathing or go into cardiac arrest, he had a heart attack. It has to be… more noted that Larry had a preexisting heart condition that required a specific type of medication that they didn't have access to while locked in a meat locker. Also, CPR alone is not sufficient in reviving someone who just had a heart attack, all it does for the victim is reduce the amount of brain damage done from lack of oxygen until an EMT with the proper equipment arrives. Among the required equipment, they would definitely need the AED the most. Obviously, seeing as they're in the middle of an apocalypse and are locked inside a meat locker by cannibals, nobody was coming to help them.
Now,some would suggest that an adequate amount of mechanical force to the chest (beyond the compressions in CPR) could potentially kickstart a heart. This (known as precordial thump) used to be part of the algorithm … [view original content]
Oh, ok. I just say that because you never know with some people. A lot of people ask stupid questions, but more often than not are dead serious about it. I didn't want to offend you if you were, in fact, serious lol.
tbh I am so used to getting downvotes that I take it as a compliment now.
Yeah, that was a joke. I try to use the ":p" signify it as such, but with no real standards anywhere on the net it's not easy.
Edit: And to make it clear, it's not my downvote that you've gotten.
This is where you can really tell that most of the people on here don't have any extensive medical knowledge(if any at all) when it comes to heart attacks.
Exactly.
There really wasn't a realistic chance to save Larry. Even if there was a small chance to resuscitate him, Larry would have turned into a walker before that would happen.
Thanks a lot for clarifying that. Despite his medical condition, I just don't get how all of a sudden Larry became a loved character even though he tried to murder Lee?
Actually, Larry dying was a 100 % certainty. Larry didn't just stop breathing or go into cardiac arrest, he had a heart attack. It has to be… more noted that Larry had a preexisting heart condition that required a specific type of medication that they didn't have access to while locked in a meat locker. Also, CPR alone is not sufficient in reviving someone who just had a heart attack, all it does for the victim is reduce the amount of brain damage done from lack of oxygen until an EMT with the proper equipment arrives. Among the required equipment, they would definitely need the AED the most. Obviously, seeing as they're in the middle of an apocalypse and are locked inside a meat locker by cannibals, nobody was coming to help them.
Now,some would suggest that an adequate amount of mechanical force to the chest (beyond the compressions in CPR) could potentially kickstart a heart. This (known as precordial thump) used to be part of the algorithm … [view original content]
No problem. Yeah, I don't really get where all the Larry love came from either, but people have their reasons. He could be pretty funny though,ex: "I have charm coming out of my ass".
Thanks a lot for clarifying that. Despite his medical condition, I just don't get how all of a sudden Larry became a loved character even though he tried to murder Lee?
Huh, I don't know about that, considering that Larry's lips start to move a little RIGHT before Kenny drops the Saltlick on his head while you're doing CPR and he didn't show any signs of turning into a walker, so there might have been a silm chance that Larry could have been saved if you kept doing CPR and if Kenny didn't drop the Saltlick, at least that's how Telltale made it look like.
Actually, Larry dying was a 100 % certainty. Larry didn't just stop breathing or go into cardiac arrest, he had a heart attack. It has to be… more noted that Larry had a preexisting heart condition that required a specific type of medication that they didn't have access to while locked in a meat locker. Also, CPR alone is not sufficient in reviving someone who just had a heart attack, all it does for the victim is reduce the amount of brain damage done from lack of oxygen until an EMT with the proper equipment arrives. Among the required equipment, they would definitely need the AED the most. Obviously, seeing as they're in the middle of an apocalypse and are locked inside a meat locker by cannibals, nobody was coming to help them.
Now,some would suggest that an adequate amount of mechanical force to the chest (beyond the compressions in CPR) could potentially kickstart a heart. This (known as precordial thump) used to be part of the algorithm … [view original content]
Resuscitation from CPR alone is a very rare occurrence, especially for heart attack victims. But even in the event that someone woke up whilst being given CPR, they'll still have heart muscle damage that needs to be treated immediately to prevent another attack. It wouldn't revive them or stabilize the heart beat. Usually when CPR is performed on a heart attack victim, it is followed by a full emergency response. Paramedics give the victim electric shock, deliver medications, fluids, and a defibrillator, and place an artificial airway to complete the resuscitation effort.
Realistically, Larry couldn't have been saved. But I think that TellTale made it look like Larry was taking a breath to emphasize the importance of your decisions, and to make you think "Oh shit, I made the wrong choice, I could've saved him."
Huh, I don't know about that, considering that Larry's lips start to move a little RIGHT before Kenny drops the Saltlick on his head while y… moreou're doing CPR and he didn't show any signs of turning into a walker, so there might have been a silm chance that Larry could have been saved if you kept doing CPR and if Kenny didn't drop the Saltlick, at least that's how Telltale made it look like.
I suppose, but it also makes Kenny seem like he made the wrong call, as far realistic goes, this is a world where old shotguns NEVER seem to run out of ammo and convicted killers can be nice people, so it wouldn't surprise me if Telltale didn't have good knowledge of how to treat heart attacks.
Resuscitation from CPR alone is a very rare occurrence, especially for heart attack victims. But even in the event that someone woke up whil… morest being given CPR, they'll still have heart muscle damage that needs to be treated immediately to prevent another attack. It wouldn't revive them or stabilize the heart beat. Usually when CPR is performed on a heart attack victim, it is followed by a full emergency response. Paramedics give the victim electric shock, deliver medications, fluids, and a defibrillator, and place an artificial airway to complete the resuscitation effort.
Realistically, Larry couldn't have been saved. But I think that TellTale made it look like Larry was taking a breath to emphasize the importance of your decisions, and to make you think "Oh shit, I made the wrong choice, I could've saved him."
I definitely think that TellTale wanted the possibility of Larry being saved to look ambiguous in order to make it harder for the player to make the choice. And in general, I don't think most players (or even TellTale for that matter) would know the chances of Larry living are nonexistent. I have a brother who is an EMT and on his way to becoming a doctor, (that's partly why I'm somewhat educated in this realm) so for me, the decision to kill Larry was logical and made the most sense.
I suppose, but it also makes Kenny seem like he made the wrong call, as far realistic goes, this is a world where old shotguns NEVER seem to… more run out of ammo and convicted killers can be nice people, so it wouldn't surprise me if Telltale didn't have good knowledge of how to treat heart attacks.
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It's frankly amazing how you still can't manage to understand this.
I didn't say anything about how Kenny is as a person. I didn't say anything about whether his actions have been justifiable or not. The character doesn't have to be a morally good character in order to be a well written character. I'm not even going to argue whether he is a good guy or not as it is 100% irrelevant.
For the hundredth time, just because you don't like Kenny as a person does not mean that he is not a well written character. Wny can't you manage to seperate these two things?
When i meant payback as in Payback in the Narrative sense.
@Wowmutt said if you intend to kill someone and fail, don't get upset that payback is a bitch
And That Larry deserved to die because he failed at killing Lee. that's a false equivalence. So Kenny Killing Larry in front of Lilly, then Kenny getting the same treatment where he watches Sarita get killed would be "payback" (karma) for what he did to Lilly.
Oh no! Everyone help find KennyAndNickAreGods' ass! xD EDIT: Not intended to be rude.
He still ended up accepting it, he was of course very upset for a while though. Wouldn't you be? If he really thought Clementine was wrong for what she did, he wouldn't have just moved on.
I think most people would be like that, everybody is a hypocrite on some things because you will sometimes be biased. So.. FUCK YOU.
No he's not. But you are
You forgot that that someone who was murdered in cold blood also attempted to murder someone else in cold blood before, just because he didn't like him?
Ooooh, how clever.
Kenny had every right to be an ass, he lost everything he had, AGAIN.
And also, Luke's aways pushing Kenny's buttons and argue with him.
Fe; when Kenny want's to hold the baby, Luke makes a complete drama about it.
I'm still loving Kenny, but Luke is starting to bother me sometimes.
Belan isn't asking you to praise Kenny or proclaim that he's the best character ever, all he is pointing out is that just because you hate Kenny, that doesn't mean he's a poorly written character. Everyone but you can see that you're biased. Just admit you're biased and move on.
preach it~ I'll give it an A++++ for best rebuttal in this thread.
Thanks, Gurl.
Seriously, I eat these types of threads for breakfast. Every point that was brought up was nonsensical and suffered from that person's clouded judgement.
The least I can do is give you an upvote for your support, heh.
Actually, Larry dying was a 100 % certainty. Larry didn't just stop breathing or go into cardiac arrest, he had a heart attack. It has to be noted that Larry had a preexisting heart condition that required a specific type of medication that they didn't have access to while locked in a meat locker. Also, CPR alone is not sufficient in reviving someone who just had a heart attack, all it does for the victim is reduce the amount of brain damage done from lack of oxygen until an EMT with the proper equipment arrives. Among the required equipment, they would definitely need the AED the most. Obviously, seeing as they're in the middle of an apocalypse and are locked inside a meat locker by cannibals, nobody was coming to help them.
Now,some would suggest that an adequate amount of mechanical force to the chest (beyond the compressions in CPR) could potentially kickstart a heart. This (known as precordial thump) used to be part of the algorithm used by professionals (ACLS - Advanced Cardiac Life Support) but has fallen out of favor and subsequently been removed for a variety of reasons. What really restarts a heart in a ventricular rhythm is defibrillation.
With all this taken into account, along with the fact that they were locked inside a meat locker with absolutely no access to any of the required medication/equipment, and nobody there had professional training, Larry dying and then subsequently turning on them and eating everybody was inevitable.There was no saving Larry, so Kenny made the right call on immediately putting him down.
Larry wasn't drowning, he was having a heart attack. There is a huge difference.
No problem. And you're right, I just read through the whole thread and almost every single point brought up is biased to a laughable degree. Just keep doing what you're doing, these people obviously don't know who they messing with.:)
Haha! Me too. It looked like he though he was the baby's father, so he would probably take the baby with him if he got kicked out/left behind.. xD
You're the best, Tinni
We'll both keep representing logical and unbiased thinking. So, I hope to see you in some other "Haha Kuny suckz" thread.
aww thank you, friend, you're pretty awesome yourself.:D
Shooting down poorly constructed/biased arguments is one of my favorite past times, it feeds my soul lol. So we'll most definitely see each other on the battlefield again!
lmfao, kenny stans saying "fuck logic" it's almost too perfect.
Wow. before I thought you were just being willfully obtuse about what I was trying to say, but now I think you just genuinely don't get such a simple concept.
But I'm glad you have your little circle jerk to validate each other.
Wait wait wait!!
Are you saying, that if Kenny had only aimed the saltlick lower, it would've kickstarted Larry's heart?!
Something like infans-non-adultussomnium-laboro-offa-ophile*
Meaning: Child-doesn't-adultnonse-suffer-shot-lover
*Is not an actual word**
**Was actually just directly translated at translate-latin.com and put together with no regard for correct grammar, though I've had a year of schooling in latin it is so far back and I really cannot be bothered.
Sometimes I think people over-analyze scenes or situations. Was Kenny being a hypocrite for going off on Clem, proably, but so what. It doesnt change a thing that's happened. My Clem not only cut off Sarita's arm but she also put her down with the hatchet to end her suffering and in case she died and came back quickly to bite Kenny.. Was is "wrong"? that depends on the individual. To me, in that moment, it was the necessary thing to do and was done for the right reason.
My Lee and Kenny killed Larry with the saltlick because in the moment, it was needed. It was the right thing to do to save the rest of us. Of course Lilly wouldnt see it like that, just like Kenny doesnt see it like that about Sarita. Let the shock pass, in time Kenny may or may not realize and accept that Clem did it with the best of intentions.
No. Something as heavy as a saltlick would have crushed his chest cavity completely...I can't tell if you're being serious or not tbh.
Exactly.
There really wasn't a realistic chance to save Larry. Even if there was a small chance to resuscitate him, Larry would have turned into a walker before that would happen.
Yeah, that was a joke. I try to use the ":p" signify it as such, but with no real standards anywhere on the net it's not easy.
Edit: And to make it clear, it's not my downvote that you've gotten.
Oh, ok. I just say that because you never know with some people. A lot of people ask stupid questions, but more often than not are dead serious about it. I didn't want to offend you if you were, in fact, serious lol.
tbh I am so used to getting downvotes that I take it as a compliment now.
This is where you can really tell that most of the people on here don't have any extensive medical knowledge(if any at all) when it comes to heart attacks.
Thanks a lot for clarifying that. Despite his medical condition, I just don't get how all of a sudden Larry became a loved character even though he tried to murder Lee?
No problem. Yeah, I don't really get where all the Larry love came from either, but people have their reasons. He could be pretty funny though,ex: "I have charm coming out of my ass".
Huh, I don't know about that, considering that Larry's lips start to move a little RIGHT before Kenny drops the Saltlick on his head while you're doing CPR and he didn't show any signs of turning into a walker, so there might have been a silm chance that Larry could have been saved if you kept doing CPR and if Kenny didn't drop the Saltlick, at least that's how Telltale made it look like.
Telltale didn't seem to make it seem that way.
Resuscitation from CPR alone is a very rare occurrence, especially for heart attack victims. But even in the event that someone woke up whilst being given CPR, they'll still have heart muscle damage that needs to be treated immediately to prevent another attack. It wouldn't revive them or stabilize the heart beat. Usually when CPR is performed on a heart attack victim, it is followed by a full emergency response. Paramedics give the victim electric shock, deliver medications, fluids, and a defibrillator, and place an artificial airway to complete the resuscitation effort.
Realistically, Larry couldn't have been saved. But I think that TellTale made it look like Larry was taking a breath to emphasize the importance of your decisions, and to make you think "Oh shit, I made the wrong choice, I could've saved him."
I suppose, but it also makes Kenny seem like he made the wrong call, as far realistic goes, this is a world where old shotguns NEVER seem to run out of ammo and convicted killers can be nice people, so it wouldn't surprise me if Telltale didn't have good knowledge of how to treat heart attacks.
I definitely think that TellTale wanted the possibility of Larry being saved to look ambiguous in order to make it harder for the player to make the choice. And in general, I don't think most players (or even TellTale for that matter) would know the chances of Larry living are nonexistent. I have a brother who is an EMT and on his way to becoming a doctor, (that's partly why I'm somewhat educated in this realm) so for me, the decision to kill Larry was logical and made the most sense.
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