Can nobody just go away?
I've been noting a large number of threads talking about the possible comeback of Lilly, of Molly, or of Jane (the last of whom is obviously the most likely). Can't a character fade away without actively being killed on screen? I mean, it seems to me that in those sort of circumstances there would be plenty of cases in which group members would get lost after splitting up, not to mention in the case of Lilly or Molly we're dealing with a difference of two states. Unless everybody winds up hunkey-dory in Wellington (which would be a bit unbelievable and disappointing honestly), they may very well go away. Even if they were headed in the same direction, the chances of crossing paths are pretty slim. Also, I would hate it if they drop the subplot completely, but you could say the same for Christa. I think bringing Kenny back spoiled the fans... As much as I enjoy his character this season, him inexplicably coming back was a bit much (and I'm still waiting for more than "I got lucky").
Point is, there are some characters I don't think should come back, simply because to do so would feel too deus ex machina. You don't want to drop having interacted with people, but if they've left it doesn't necessarily mean they're going to come back...
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maybe the entire country knows about wellington and everyone is headed there? maybe lilly has been there since months?
The thing is, Kenny coming back WAS a deux ex machina - TTG saw all these whiny posts of "I wanna have Kenny baaaaack!" and they listened (but spoiled us? Please, haven't you played season 2? TTG is taking a major dump on us).
I also think that yes, people who are put on a bus, should disappear in most cases, the most obvious being Lilly. I do think however that it shouldn't be that contrived that some (not all) previous characters actually do show up at a later stage.
Another thing is: The game needs some closure, and it needs to end - happily or depressibgly doesn't matter. Robert Kirkman had this great idea of telling a zombie story in comic book format, but he just couldn't stop telling it, he just churned out the same tired story over and over, and why not? He had struck gold. But that gold turned into crap the instant he stopped developing the franchise and just threw zombies at everything. The TV show was described by Gorge Romero as a soap opera with an occasional zombie thrown in, and I think he is right.
Everything that is being told for too long will go bad - the X-Files, MASH, even The Simpsons (even if they managed to keep up surprisingly well, but the years start to show)... All long-runners that went bad. And so has TWD.
Don't get me wrong - I frikkin' love zombies and the entire premise of a zombicalypse, but the way it's handled is... so disappointing. I want a good story being told, but I also want that story to end - kill of the zombies, find a cure, be the last actual living person on the planet - I don't care. Just let the franchise end.
Please.
Thank you.
Disagree about your Kenny part because they had plans to bring him back since Season 1.
Agree on everything else about the TWD franchise
They had plans to "explore Kenny's fate". In my book, that could have meant nothing besides him returning as a walker or corpse.
I have no doubt that Kenny's return was pure fan service to the detriment of narrative credibility.
And this is indeed a central problem to the way Telltale handles the franchise. Compare what Telltale does e.g. to what Robert Kirkman has said about "just leaving" comic character Andrew:
The absolute same thing is true about Kenny - and the absolute same thing would be true about Telltale's Lilly character and assorted others should they rear their heads again. Meeting Christa again, also, completely and insanely unrealistic; yet I guess that it will happen anyway.
You pretty much got to the heart of what I was trying to say.
Two addenda - in the case of Christa, I would hate if they completely ignored her as a character, whether we see Clementine actively giving up the search for her, or whether she remains a memory, I think the fact that she is gone in the wind is nonetheless important to the story.
Second is, in the case of Christa, and especially of Jane (the first northern North Carolina and the second northern Virginia, there is a bit more credence to them reappearing than Molly or Lilly. (Though at this point Christa is a far cry too).
Basically, I want that unknowing and feeling of uncertain loss to be a part of the story, at least as much as deaths which received certain 'closure' (to the extent there is such a thing).
finnaly someone said it, im like if telltale brings lilly back, why not the surviving cancer members, the safe lots bandits who survived, molly, victor and ralph and the rest who dissapeared, just accept that some character stories are over, as much as i like lilly to return, i dont think it'll happen.
This
Thank you for posting this. I was nearly about to post something myself, as all this 'Lilly coming back' business was starting to get silly. It's already bad enough that Kenny came back with little explanation as to how he got out of Savannah without so much as a scratch on him. If people really want to explore Lilly's fate, the best way to do that is with a DLC, and without just 'happening' to meet Clem's group.
I say, if your going to Deus ex Machina anyone else, it should be Lee Everett. I think almost everyone misses that beautiful man.
Yes I like the idea of certain characters stories just being over and the character being left unknown. Not everyone should get closure. Sure I like the idea of some returning eventually (in a believable way) but not all of them. But one thing I would really like would be another comic crossover, but reversed this time. Take a character who was left unknown (Molly, Jane, maybe Christa if she doesn't reappear) and have them show up in the comic instead. In the timeskip between 126 and 127, it is possible they could have made it to Alexandria safe-zone and joined up with Rick's large community network (which is known to be at least 4 safe-zones, and was kind of implied to be more than that, maybe Kirkman could throw in a reference to Wellington). None of those characters have determinant fates, and their personality is mostly set by the time you talked to them in the game, and your choices don't change them much. It wouldn't really mess with the game's set portrayal of them or your personal game canon.
I hope Kirkman takes the chance to do something like that. And then we could get closure on a character who likely wouldn't show up in Clementine's story again, but they can appear in someone else's, and then maybe get killed off there.
Twd= if you don't see them die, they're not dead.
Yeah but what was the point of saying to lily that you'd leave with her when she steals the RV? Is that going to have an effect or has it already had an effect?
Wellington is like Oregon Trail, everyone's trying to get there with the promise that it's safe
Well put. The enormous amount of factors for these characters to reunite makes them astronomically unbelievable. Jane is the most likely, she was there not long ago. Chista is the second, she was also looking for Wellington and was on roughly the same path as this group. The others are way out in left field, it would make no sense that they would reunite. Kenny was also in that category, but I let it slide... having it happen a second time would be absolutely terrible. Terrible!
Oh, don't get me wrong here. We can't complete Clementine's story arc without finding out Christa's fate.
Nonetheless, just stumbling over her again is STILL absurd.
thts a telltale rule
Looking forward to the Lee/ Katjaa/ Duck reunion in episode 5 then.
No, TWD indeed is the series to break that logic.
Replay the game
You see Katjaa dead on the floor
And it says You chose to shoot duck (Or kenny to shoot duck) And he sits there on the tree dead
So
So I didn't see them die.
If you leave Lee you see him die.
You see Katjaa's dead corpse on the floor.
Duck gets shot in the head or left to turn.
nevermind im dumb I just now got what u said
Some people actually are. :P
I would think that Lee's decisions would matter more if characters from Season 1 reappeared.
Lilly - "He left me out on the road to die!" or "He forgave me... and all I did was steal the R.V." To be honest I only feel like Lilly and Christa should return, I feel like Molly and Jane are more of solo survivors.