What do you mean by Sarah's personality changed into an irredeemable helpless person? She always was like this. The horrible death of her father just made it alot worse. Or let's put it in other words: She ceased to function. (As it was foreshadowed)
I disagree. Telltale's loss of inspiration and needs for Episode 5 is what killed Sarah & Nick. Just because it's the zombie apocalypse … moredoesn't mean that certain people have to be ultimately killed by it. Sarah's personality changed into an irredeemably helpless person and Telltale even tried to use Jane as a moral guide to persuade players into getting rid of her. Twice. Then when Sarah finally does die, it was because she fell off a deck when it collapsed and got neglected by the group when she was stuck. It's all way too contrived. Sarah could've been handled better. Just like Nick.
Do you guys realize how long ago those title cards are made? Eddie was most likely just a placeholder model, or they just threw him in and never updated it because hmm idk hE'S SHROUDED IN BLACK SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. Sometimes you guys read way too far into things.
Do you guys realize how long ago those title cards are made? Eddie was most likely just a placeholder model, or they just threw him in and n… moreever updated it because hmm idk hE'S SHROUDED IN BLACK SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. Sometimes you guys read way too far into things.
Except she wasn't. Obviously, there's going to be differences between pre- and post-Carlos' death Sarah, but she was never portrayed as this hopeless cause that we had no chance of saving. That was purely invented for this episode alone. Throughout all three prior episodes, Sarah had a strength in her that was not as apparent as the typical kind of strength. She acts against her father's wishes to help Clementine. She asks for gun training and even hid it from the group. If you are a jerk to her when she's worrying because her father's not around, she'll take it and give it right back. My point is, she had her issues, but she was never portrayed as bringing the group down like they tried to get across here.
Bear in mind that the only reason this comes up at all is because of Jane; no one else ever even hints at the idea that the group has problems because of her, it's just Jane who thinks this, and only because she hypocritically doesn't know how to let go of the past and keeps seeing a connection where there isn't one (Sarah did not give up or want to die, especially not in the second scene, her condition is simply not so easily healed or talked out of).
Now yes, it was foreshadowed that she would "cease to function". However, it was also said by an overprotective father who has always been there to protect her. Sure, he'd have an understanding of her condition, but that doesn't mean his word is law. The ending song of episode 3 also heavily hinted at the theme of not letting one's death hold you back, which if not directly meant for Carlos and Sarah, is nevertheless applicable. But then to be met with the theme of "yeah, you're never coming back, fuck you, you're dead, and it's justified because Carlos said something like that" just seems really inconsistent given all the focus she got before. It's kind of like what happened a few times in the TWD TV show during its season 2 run, where certain character interactions felt inconsistent from episode to episode because of differing writers who saw a possibility and ran with it, and a different writer who did the same thing.
I don't know, it's just weird. If "all of Telltale" really hated Sarah or whatever is being said, then why did she get so much development? Was Nick Breckon the only guy pushing for Sarah to live or something?
What do you mean by Sarah's personality changed into an irredeemable helpless person? She always was like this. The horrible death of her father just made it alot worse. Or let's put it in other words: She ceased to function. (As it was foreshadowed)
Well, he was talking about her demeanor in Episode 1. She did come off as extremely cold and uncaring towards Clem back then. Then she mellowed out in episode 2.
Sarah wasn't always like this. Carlos thought she'd cease to function if she knew, "what it's really like out there". She was proving her dad wrong once Clementine came into her life. She wanted to learn to use a gun, she charged into danger when Carver hit her dad, she stood up to Carver if he hit Clem, and she always got wiser from Clementine's words. Her dad's death did traumatize her, but she could've recovered, just like the strong person she was becoming. Writer, Nick Breckon, knew what he was doing with her character.
What do you mean by Sarah's personality changed into an irredeemable helpless person? She always was like this. The horrible death of her father just made it alot worse. Or let's put it in other words: She ceased to function. (As it was foreshadowed)
When did she learn to shoot a gun? All I saw was her holding it clementine telling words that they both didn't understand, he didn't even get target practice
She always was like this.
Sarah wasn't always like this. Carlos thought she'd cease to function if she knew, "what it's really like … moreout there". She was proving her dad wrong once Clementine came into her life. She wanted to learn to use a gun, she charged into danger when Carver hit her dad, she stood up to Carver if he hit Clem, and she always got wiser from Clementine's words. Her dad's death did traumatize her, but she could've recovered, just like the strong person she was becoming. Writer, Nick Breckon, knew what he was doing with her character.
Edit: Well said, damkylan.
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What do you mean by Sarah's personality changed into an irredeemable helpless person? She always was like this. The horrible death of her father just made it alot worse. Or let's put it in other words: She ceased to function. (As it was foreshadowed)
When an interviewer does 90% of the talking during the interview, it's not a good interview. That's really all I have to say about Playing Dead.
Do you guys realize how long ago those title cards are made? Eddie was most likely just a placeholder model, or they just threw him in and never updated it because hmm idk hE'S SHROUDED IN BLACK SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. Sometimes you guys read way too far into things.
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Except she wasn't. Obviously, there's going to be differences between pre- and post-Carlos' death Sarah, but she was never portrayed as this hopeless cause that we had no chance of saving. That was purely invented for this episode alone. Throughout all three prior episodes, Sarah had a strength in her that was not as apparent as the typical kind of strength. She acts against her father's wishes to help Clementine. She asks for gun training and even hid it from the group. If you are a jerk to her when she's worrying because her father's not around, she'll take it and give it right back. My point is, she had her issues, but she was never portrayed as bringing the group down like they tried to get across here.
Bear in mind that the only reason this comes up at all is because of Jane; no one else ever even hints at the idea that the group has problems because of her, it's just Jane who thinks this, and only because she hypocritically doesn't know how to let go of the past and keeps seeing a connection where there isn't one (Sarah did not give up or want to die, especially not in the second scene, her condition is simply not so easily healed or talked out of).
Now yes, it was foreshadowed that she would "cease to function". However, it was also said by an overprotective father who has always been there to protect her. Sure, he'd have an understanding of her condition, but that doesn't mean his word is law. The ending song of episode 3 also heavily hinted at the theme of not letting one's death hold you back, which if not directly meant for Carlos and Sarah, is nevertheless applicable. But then to be met with the theme of "yeah, you're never coming back, fuck you, you're dead, and it's justified because Carlos said something like that" just seems really inconsistent given all the focus she got before. It's kind of like what happened a few times in the TWD TV show during its season 2 run, where certain character interactions felt inconsistent from episode to episode because of differing writers who saw a possibility and ran with it, and a different writer who did the same thing.
I don't know, it's just weird. If "all of Telltale" really hated Sarah or whatever is being said, then why did she get so much development? Was Nick Breckon the only guy pushing for Sarah to live or something?
Well, he was talking about her demeanor in Episode 1. She did come off as extremely cold and uncaring towards Clem back then. Then she mellowed out in episode 2.
Sarah wasn't always like this. Carlos thought she'd cease to function if she knew, "what it's really like out there". She was proving her dad wrong once Clementine came into her life. She wanted to learn to use a gun, she charged into danger when Carver hit her dad, she stood up to Carver if he hit Clem, and she always got wiser from Clementine's words. Her dad's death did traumatize her, but she could've recovered, just like the strong person she was becoming. Writer, Nick Breckon, knew what he was doing with her character.
Edit: Well said, damkylan.
When did she learn to shoot a gun? All I saw was her holding it clementine telling words that they both didn't understand, he didn't even get target practice
Maturity, nice!
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