Both Kenny lovers and haters are vocal. But that's because whenever a pro or anti Kenny comment is posted, a barrage of comments from the other side just pop up.
I think fans of Nick, Sarah and Luke would like a word with you.
I get the impression that YOU'D rather have a word with me, and it … morewouldn't be a particularly insightful one either.
Nick's death was badly handled, there's no getting around that. But there's been too much debate in this forum about Sarah's fate to just dismiss with a wave of the hand, and as for Luke...I don't know if you've taken a poll or something, but I doubt Luke has had as much of an impression on the fan community as you obviously think he has. I have a sneaking suspicion the Kenny-haters are a very small minority. They just seem numerous because they're loud and confrontational.
I’m almost certain that they put more work in Kenny’s endings on purpose. Need more proof? Compare the ending where you kill Kenny and leave Jane, and the ending where you let Jane die and leave Kenny.
In the former, Jane gets about two lines pathetically begging Clem to forgive her as Clem angrily stalks off with the baby.
In the latter, Kenny gets a five minute speech where he tells Clem she’s awesome and that she’ll be the best big sister ever and begs her to live for all the people that took care of her, complete with heartrending violin music. And the worst part about this ending is that it is solid evidence that Telltale’s ultimate concern with the writing was making absolutely sure the player sympathized with Kenny, no matter what choices you made.
If you tell Kenny that “you’re too dangerous, AJ and I aren’t safe with you,” Kenny doesn’t protest at all. The man who flipped out whenever Clem didn’t agree with him and was obsessed with the baby’s safety just goes completely out of character and immediately agrees with Clem that he shouldn’t take care of the kids. He isn’t at all concerned about letting Clem wander off into a blizzard alone with a baby and no supplies at all. And why? Because Kenny being overprotective and forcing Clem to stay with him for her own safety would make him come across as unsympathetic, even though that would’ve actually made sense and been in character. Telltale had an incredibly obvious aversion to doing anything to make Kenny’s endings unsympathetic, no matter which ending you choose, no matter how illogical they had to make the writing to squeeze out those feels.
In other words, the writers cared more about forcing the player to sympathize with Kenny than they cared about the damn writing actually making sense. Looks like they screwed up their priorities a bit :P
Choosing Kenny is the Good End where you win. Choosing Jane is the Bad End where you lose.
Don't know why you're all overthinking this. Plenty of other games have endings like that. This time Telltale tricked you by making you think Kenny was the dark path, when instead he's Love and Life.
You get more heart and discussion with Kenny, it feels far more complete as an ending, I think the Jane one really was just a bit quick and … moredidn't end on a proper note like Kenny's did, in his you either see him walking into the sunset alone or with Clem/AJ. Jane's just has the black kid complimenting your hat, it's not terrible it's just not nearly as powerful. The subtext is nice, but the execution, not so much in my opinion.
It's a possibility. I think we will likely have a long timeskip to allow the start of season 3 to happen regardless of our ending, which would make sense.
I thought the Jane endings were interesting. If you let the people in, it shows the guy having a gun and the boy saying, "cool hat". The mus… moreic suddenly becomes dark/looming at this part too. Maybe they're putting on an act and will rob Jane and Clem? Who knows...
THE WALKING DEAD, for all its brutality, isn't GAME OF THRONES, where a beloved character can be decapitated in the blink of an eye just for… more the sake of shocking the viewer/reader
I think fans of Nick, Sarah and Luke would like a word with you.
But once I start to analyze once? Saying Kenny would be just okay is like being in an abusive relationship. He always says sorry, he didn't mean it,. he won't do it again/ He's happy, yes, but for how long? Until the next time. That's the analyses. Anything less is wishful thinking because this has happened since S1, over and over again. He says sorry, then does exactly what he wants, damn the consequences. This could get people killed but it doesn't matter. Bad things happen, he says sorry, then everyone just goes "Oh, well that makes it okay then."
And this wouldn't make me so annoyed, if they did it with EVERYONE. But then don't. Anyone who makes the SMALLEST mistake is instantly hated and everything is their fault: Luke (till his death when everyone loves him because, you guessed it, he was getting along with Kenny), Jane, Mike/Bonnie, hell even Arvo get shit for things they do indirectly even! If they make one mistake they're awful people.
My point isn't that Kenny is bad, lets get that straight, it's simply that the POINT of TWD is that "Things will not be okay" plain and simple. The show and especially the comics tell us this. So would should it be different for Kenny? Why is he so special? The simple answer is: It's a cop out. And if I had went with Kenny (and were a major Kenny fan) I'd be pissed off. Because WTF aren't the writers being consistent with that? Why do things just change? That's bad writing. And the worst part is that TT ISN'T bad at what they do, so it's even more noticeable.
Well, TWD is actually like GoT in that manner,. The comics, TV series, and game have proven that. Lee died pretty brutally and pretty quickly. But the point isn't that Kenny should have died off screen. It was that his ending was far too happy for the tone of TWD, of course long time WD fans are going to be pissed.
You kinda missed the whole point.
What, that Kenny should have been the one who drowned in the lake? Or received some other randomly… more pointless death two episodes earlier, because "that's how the world of TWD works?"
Plot armor is one thing. Good storytelling is another. THE WALKING DEAD, for all its brutality, isn't GAME OF THRONES, where a beloved character can be decapitated in the blink of an eye just for the sake of shocking the viewer/reader. Giving Kenny an abrupt death in season 2 would have been completely pointless. The way Telltale allowed the player to choose the outcome of Kenny's story (as well as Clem's) simply makes sense from a narrative's perspective, in addition to gameplay.
It was that his ending was far too happy for the tone of TWD
"Too happy?" Have you SEEN the endings where Kenny lives? They're a lot of things, but I don't think a lot of people would criticize them as being "too happy".
Well, TWD is actually like GoT in that manner,. The comics, TV series, and game have proven that. Lee died pretty brutally and pretty quickl… morey. But the point isn't that Kenny should have died off screen. It was that his ending was far too happy for the tone of TWD, of course long time WD fans are going to be pissed.
Yes, I saw it. It's purpose felt it was to make a hero. It was a pretty happy ending. Walking off in the sunset (figuratively) with Kenny then him sacrificing himself to let you into Wellington. I don't mind the premise in and of itself it's just mixed with everything else Kenny's favoring was very forced. I felt it was shoved down my throat. Just like Luke in EP1. Then if you pick Kenny, oh look everything is better. Kenny was right, Kenny is fine, Kenny's the hero. But I can't see that happening in RL and even less in TWD, where that almost never happens. Look at Shane. Hell, Carl almost got raped and even had to kill his mother. Compared to all these things, it's very obvious Kenny wasn't meant to be a huge hero, even though I never felt he was.
It was that his ending was far too happy for the tone of TWD
"Too happy?" Have you SEEN the endings where Kenny lives? They're a lot of things, but I don't think a lot of people would criticize them as being "too happy".
The big reason why Kenny's ending is more fulfilling is that it bring with it the Wellington element, something that Clem and Christa originally set their goals for in the beginning of the game. Wellington was Clem's goal before she got picked up by the Cabin Crew, and if Jane's ending was the only possible conclusion, this aspect would have been an extremely uncomfortable plot-hole left unfilled, much like how there are people still chewed up over Christa's unknown fate.
The fact that, in one of Kenny's endings, Clem could actually enter Wellington, it serves as a potential final good-bye to a character that had been around since S1 Ep.1. It also shows a huge character change in Kenny. While he's typically seen by others as a selfish, impulsive asshole, he begs to get separated from Clem and AJ in order to guarantee their safety. The one character change we see in the Jane ending is that she determinately lets strangers into Howe's, which is not nearly as strong as Kenny's martyr-ism.
Well, what punch did you expect? Do you have any ideas?
I think it was fine to me. It was a good conclusion to either Clem or Jane's char… moreacters taking the family in or not.
If you take the family in, it shows how much Jane has progressed as a person. How she smiles when the woman suddenly hugs her, and then hugs her back. She's finally able to trust people again, thanks to Clem. She would never, ever, ever have done something like that if she'd never met her. I was smiling like an idiot when it happened, it was cute to see how much of a good influence Clem had been on her. It felt like a relatively happy ending.
And if Clem refuses the family, it shows how much Clem has changed. She'd be starting to put survival of her loved ones aboved everything else.
Maybe I'm the only one but... I don't see any of them a "happy" ending. In my opinion all o them ended without we knowing for sure if it's safe. Let me explain.
Kenny ending: Yeah, we found Wellington, but is it really safe? And even if you don't go to Wellington how be alone with Kenny in the middle of nowhere, snowing is happy?
Jane ending: People, people always is problem. Yeah, invite them to stay, we still don't really now if they were lying or not, maybe they good I don't know, the I can't tell just from that ending. Don't invite them, it is still the same problem. Maybe alone was the "Humanity"....?
The big reason why Kenny's ending is more fulfilling is that it bring with it the Wellington element, something that Clem and Christa origin… moreally set their goals for in the beginning of the game. Wellington was Clem's goal before she got picked up by the Cabin Crew, and if Jane's ending was the only possible conclusion, this aspect would have been an extremely uncomfortable plot-hole left unfilled, much like how there are people still chewed up over Christa's unknown fate.
The fact that, in one of Kenny's endings, Clem could actually enter Wellington, it serves as a potential final good-bye to a character that had been around since S1 Ep.1. It also shows a huge character change in Kenny. While he's typically seen by others as a selfish, impulsive asshole, he begs to get separated from Clem and AJ in order to guarantee their safety. The one character change we see in the Jane ending is that she determinately lets strangers into Howe's, which is not nearly as strong as Kenny's martyr-ism.
The Jane endings were realistic just because of the way Jane is. Do you expect Jane to hug Clementine and give Clementine her jacket?
I don't know why people are upset over the Jane endings either, I mean she's a loner who's ready to start a community with Clementine, she's kind of putting herself out there for her.
I really dislike how some people are saying that the writers are in love with Kenny because they gave you plenty of options to kill him and if you're trying to say that his ending is a contradiction of his characterization then you're wrong his ending is just a contradiction from the characterization of your expectations. Kenny might not be very stable but he isn't Carver just accept that, his endings had closure which was needed to prove that he wasn't a monster.
Be happy with your ending. No ending is superior to the other.
I thought the Jane endings were interesting. If you let the people in, it shows the guy having a gun and the boy saying, "cool hat". The mus… moreic suddenly becomes dark/looming at this part too. Maybe they're putting on an act and will rob Jane and Clem? Who knows...
That baby is going to be seeing alot more shit when he grows up. Also its not like this will be the first time the baby freaked out in a dangerous situation ( the shootout with the russians for an example). I do see where you are coming from though, its just I found the Clem alone ending to be powerful and satisfying. It showed briefly how fearless Clementine has become, and i like the idea of her trying to protect the baby by herself. I will admit though, the wellington ending- particularly if you enter and leave Kenny behind- is the more satisfying ending that gives the season more closure.
A matter of opinion. The 'lonely Clem' ending, despite me personally preferring it to Clem being stuck with either insane adult, seems abru… morept and puts Clem in the greatest amount of danger. Do you honestly expect the baby to not freak out once she's in the middle of the horde?
They gave him an almost literal 'walk into sunset' ending. In the walking dead. It was stupid.
If I recall correctly, the sun wasn't setting.
Besides, if you don't like that ending, you can always just put a bullet in Kenny.
Especially if you let the timer on the main decision run out, and Jane decided to let in the family! She's willing to trust people now, she's willing to grow.
I'm proud of my choice of #Jane'sEnding, and judging by that look, Clem's proud of Jane too.
But once I start to analyze once? Saying Kenny would be just okay is like being in an abusive relationship. He always says sorry, he didn't … moremean it,. he won't do it again/ He's happy, yes, but for how long? Until the next time. That's the analyses. Anything less is wishful thinking because this has happened since S1, over and over again. He says sorry, then does exactly what he wants, damn the consequences. This could get people killed but it doesn't matter. Bad things happen, he says sorry, then everyone just goes "Oh, well that makes it okay then."
And this wouldn't make me so annoyed, if they did it with EVERYONE. But then don't. Anyone who makes the SMALLEST mistake is instantly hated and everything is their fault: Luke (till his death when everyone loves him because, you guessed it, he was getting along with Kenny), Jane, Mike/Bonnie, hell even Arvo get shit for things they do indirectly even! If they make one mistake they're awful pe… [view original content]
Kenny was planned as an end choice, Jane was tacked on at the last minute hence why it's not as developed. It's clear it was supposed to be Luke or Luke/Jane.
You know nothing about that walled off community that only lets certain people in. Like Crawford. Also, those walls AREN'T meant to keep the dead out, they were made that way to keep the living out and keep those inside well... Inside.
Going with Kenny leaves you uncertain as you're back to square one only you're worse for wear, have no shelter, very little food/supplies, and you're with a guy who tore apart 2 groups already and is even more insane than before.
With Jane you literally have a shelter you can call your own with food and the ability to make it self-sufficient. You also have the power to choose who gets in and who doesn't.
He is no better than Carver and Lily at the end and he knows it. That's why he wants Clementine and the Baby to leave because he knows he's too dangerous. If you leave him he kills himself, simple as that. He doesn't want to live. Especially not as a monster that would make his family sick.
The Jane endings were realistic just because of the way Jane is. Do you expect Jane to hug Clementine and give Clementine her jacket?
I don… more't know why people are upset over the Jane endings either, I mean she's a loner who's ready to start a community with Clementine, she's kind of putting herself out there for her.
I really dislike how some people are saying that the writers are in love with Kenny because they gave you plenty of options to kill him and if you're trying to say that his ending is a contradiction of his characterization then you're wrong his ending is just a contradiction from the characterization of your expectations. Kenny might not be very stable but he isn't Carver just accept that, his endings had closure which was needed to prove that he wasn't a monster.
Be happy with your ending. No ending is superior to the other.
The big reason why Kenny's ending is more fulfilling is that it bring with it the Wellington element, something that Clem and Christa origin… moreally set their goals for in the beginning of the game. Wellington was Clem's goal before she got picked up by the Cabin Crew, and if Jane's ending was the only possible conclusion, this aspect would have been an extremely uncomfortable plot-hole left unfilled, much like how there are people still chewed up over Christa's unknown fate.
The fact that, in one of Kenny's endings, Clem could actually enter Wellington, it serves as a potential final good-bye to a character that had been around since S1 Ep.1. It also shows a huge character change in Kenny. While he's typically seen by others as a selfish, impulsive asshole, he begs to get separated from Clem and AJ in order to guarantee their safety. The one character change we see in the Jane ending is that she determinately lets strangers into Howe's, which is not nearly as strong as Kenny's martyr-ism.
No, Jane is the good ending. You save Kenny from becoming the next Lily/Carver and you get to run your own Community. Finally Clementine is calling the shots.
Choosing Kenny is the Good End where you win. Choosing Jane is the Bad End where you lose.
Don't know why you're all overthinking this. P… morelenty of other games have endings like that. This time Telltale tricked you by making you think Kenny was the dark path, when instead he's Love and Life.
If you want the good end, just go and get it.
Wasn't it good to see Kenny happy for once? I thought it was kind of bitter sweet in a way. Maybe it would not have lasted, who knows. Maybe Kenny finally would be at peace with himself, knowing that he accomplished what he set out to do, knowing that he did right by Clem and the baby by getting them to as safe a place as could be hoped for. I was so happy for both Clem and Kenny here.
Right after he ends Jane he does ask Clementine to believe in him. But he does know inside that what he did was wrong and he starts doubting himself and then he only wants Clementine and AJ to have a better life. And it's true that after that he doesn't really have a purpose anymore. But when Clementine decides to stay with him I think that's when he feels that he isn't alone anymore and that Clementine truly cares. He isn't Carver, Carver would be the one who wouldn't let Clementine and AJ go, he's sadistic and abusive. So those comparisons are incredibly invalid but the fact that Jane keeps telling him that in the car irritates him and maybe he's lost faith in himself a bit. But I think he's at his happiest when he knows that Clementine cares for him enough to stick with him.
He is no better than Carver and Lily at the end and he knows it. That's why he wants Clementine and the Baby to leave because he knows he's … moretoo dangerous. If you leave him he kills himself, simple as that. He doesn't want to live. Especially not as a monster that would make his family sick.
But he really is and if that Baby dies and it's Clementine's fault? Well, Clementine will be another Jane in his book and that scares Kenny to death because he knows it's true.
Right after he ends Jane he does ask Clementine to believe in him. But he does know inside that what he did was wrong and he starts doubting… more himself and then he only wants Clementine and AJ to have a better life. And it's true that after that he doesn't really have a purpose anymore. But when Clementine decides to stay with him I think that's when he feels that he isn't alone anymore and that Clementine truly cares. He isn't Carver, Carver would be the one who wouldn't let Clementine and AJ go, he's sadistic and abusive. So those comparisons are incredibly invalid but the fact that Jane keeps telling him that in the car irritates him and maybe he's lost faith in himself a bit. But I think he's at his happiest when he knows that Clementine cares for him enough to stick with him.
No, Jane is the good ending. You save Kenny from becoming the next Lily/Carver and you get to run your own Community. Finally Clementine is calling the shots.
TIme for some positivity on the Jane endings:
I thought they were heartwarming.
Especially if you let the timer on the main decision r… moreun out, and Jane decided to let in the family! She's willing to trust people now, she's willing to grow.
I'm proud of my choice of #Jane'sEnding, and judging by that look, Clem's proud of Jane too.
I also got the alone ending. The Wellington ending seemed like the best ending for me. The alone ending is sad and you don't know what is next but that also makes it interesting since you don't know where Clem is going.
I was honestly most underwhelmed by the alone ending. It had no closure at all, no hints at what's to come. Terribly, very anticlimactic. … more In my gut I had to make the choices I made when I made them, but if I could go back I would've gone with Kenny.
Personally I got annoyed when I was forced to feel any one way about someone. I wanted to decide who to like and dislike. I felt like my Clem was way too attached to Kenny, when she had no reason to be from my play through.
The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Kenny's role in season 2 was originally intended for Christa. She would have fit perfectly as the person slowly losing it after Omid's death, blaming Clem for his death, and being focused on her baby (Little AJ would have been little OJ :P)
But because of the timeskip they gave it to Kenny.
The thing is with Wellington is that Kenny had to beg to allow Clem/Baby to be let in. How much food and shelter is their for Clem and the baby? With Jane, You don't have much food. The alone ending you don't have much of anything. The leaving with Kenny ending you are left with someone who can't really be in a group.
Maybe I'm the only one but... I don't see any of them a "happy" ending. In my opinion all o them ended without we knowing for sure if it's s… moreafe. Let me explain.
Kenny ending: Yeah, we found Wellington, but is it really safe? And even if you don't go to Wellington how be alone with Kenny in the middle of nowhere, snowing is happy?
Jane ending: People, people always is problem. Yeah, invite them to stay, we still don't really now if they were lying or not, maybe they good I don't know, the I can't tell just from that ending. Don't invite them, it is still the same problem. Maybe alone was the "Humanity"....?
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Both Kenny lovers and haters are vocal. But that's because whenever a pro or anti Kenny comment is posted, a barrage of comments from the other side just pop up.
Or the best... you never know! I'm just fairly sure the Jane ones will lead to shit happening...
Absolutely. We had enough of him yelling at everyone to do what he wants in Season 1.
Oh he mad.
I’m almost certain that they put more work in Kenny’s endings on purpose. Need more proof? Compare the ending where you kill Kenny and leave Jane, and the ending where you let Jane die and leave Kenny.
In the former, Jane gets about two lines pathetically begging Clem to forgive her as Clem angrily stalks off with the baby.
In the latter, Kenny gets a five minute speech where he tells Clem she’s awesome and that she’ll be the best big sister ever and begs her to live for all the people that took care of her, complete with heartrending violin music. And the worst part about this ending is that it is solid evidence that Telltale’s ultimate concern with the writing was making absolutely sure the player sympathized with Kenny, no matter what choices you made.
If you tell Kenny that “you’re too dangerous, AJ and I aren’t safe with you,” Kenny doesn’t protest at all. The man who flipped out whenever Clem didn’t agree with him and was obsessed with the baby’s safety just goes completely out of character and immediately agrees with Clem that he shouldn’t take care of the kids. He isn’t at all concerned about letting Clem wander off into a blizzard alone with a baby and no supplies at all. And why? Because Kenny being overprotective and forcing Clem to stay with him for her own safety would make him come across as unsympathetic, even though that would’ve actually made sense and been in character. Telltale had an incredibly obvious aversion to doing anything to make Kenny’s endings unsympathetic, no matter which ending you choose, no matter how illogical they had to make the writing to squeeze out those feels.
In other words, the writers cared more about forcing the player to sympathize with Kenny than they cared about the damn writing actually making sense. Looks like they screwed up their priorities a bit :P
Choosing Kenny is the Good End where you win. Choosing Jane is the Bad End where you lose.
Don't know why you're all overthinking this. Plenty of other games have endings like that. This time Telltale tricked you by making you think Kenny was the dark path, when instead he's Love and Life.
If you want the good end, just go and get it.
So what would be your ideal ending with Jane?
It's a possibility. I think we will likely have a long timeskip to allow the start of season 3 to happen regardless of our ending, which would make sense.
And Carlos died in the blink of an eye at the last min for shock value
But once I start to analyze once? Saying Kenny would be just okay is like being in an abusive relationship. He always says sorry, he didn't mean it,. he won't do it again/ He's happy, yes, but for how long? Until the next time. That's the analyses. Anything less is wishful thinking because this has happened since S1, over and over again. He says sorry, then does exactly what he wants, damn the consequences. This could get people killed but it doesn't matter. Bad things happen, he says sorry, then everyone just goes "Oh, well that makes it okay then."
And this wouldn't make me so annoyed, if they did it with EVERYONE. But then don't. Anyone who makes the SMALLEST mistake is instantly hated and everything is their fault: Luke (till his death when everyone loves him because, you guessed it, he was getting along with Kenny), Jane, Mike/Bonnie, hell even Arvo get shit for things they do indirectly even! If they make one mistake they're awful people.
My point isn't that Kenny is bad, lets get that straight, it's simply that the POINT of TWD is that "Things will not be okay" plain and simple. The show and especially the comics tell us this. So would should it be different for Kenny? Why is he so special? The simple answer is: It's a cop out. And if I had went with Kenny (and were a major Kenny fan) I'd be pissed off. Because WTF aren't the writers being consistent with that? Why do things just change? That's bad writing. And the worst part is that TT ISN'T bad at what they do, so it's even more noticeable.
Well, TWD is actually like GoT in that manner,. The comics, TV series, and game have proven that. Lee died pretty brutally and pretty quickly. But the point isn't that Kenny should have died off screen. It was that his ending was far too happy for the tone of TWD, of course long time WD fans are going to be pissed.
"Too happy?" Have you SEEN the endings where Kenny lives? They're a lot of things, but I don't think a lot of people would criticize them as being "too happy".
Yes, I saw it. It's purpose felt it was to make a hero. It was a pretty happy ending. Walking off in the sunset (figuratively) with Kenny then him sacrificing himself to let you into Wellington. I don't mind the premise in and of itself it's just mixed with everything else Kenny's favoring was very forced. I felt it was shoved down my throat. Just like Luke in EP1. Then if you pick Kenny, oh look everything is better. Kenny was right, Kenny is fine, Kenny's the hero. But I can't see that happening in RL and even less in TWD, where that almost never happens. Look at Shane. Hell, Carl almost got raped and even had to kill his mother. Compared to all these things, it's very obvious Kenny wasn't meant to be a huge hero, even though I never felt he was.
The big reason why Kenny's ending is more fulfilling is that it bring with it the Wellington element, something that Clem and Christa originally set their goals for in the beginning of the game. Wellington was Clem's goal before she got picked up by the Cabin Crew, and if Jane's ending was the only possible conclusion, this aspect would have been an extremely uncomfortable plot-hole left unfilled, much like how there are people still chewed up over Christa's unknown fate.
The fact that, in one of Kenny's endings, Clem could actually enter Wellington, it serves as a potential final good-bye to a character that had been around since S1 Ep.1. It also shows a huge character change in Kenny. While he's typically seen by others as a selfish, impulsive asshole, he begs to get separated from Clem and AJ in order to guarantee their safety. The one character change we see in the Jane ending is that she determinately lets strangers into Howe's, which is not nearly as strong as Kenny's martyr-ism.
Maybe I'm the only one but... I don't see any of them a "happy" ending. In my opinion all o them ended without we knowing for sure if it's safe. Let me explain.
Kenny ending: Yeah, we found Wellington, but is it really safe? And even if you don't go to Wellington how be alone with Kenny in the middle of nowhere, snowing is happy?
Jane ending: People, people always is problem. Yeah, invite them to stay, we still don't really now if they were lying or not, maybe they good I don't know, the I can't tell just from that ending. Don't invite them, it is still the same problem. Maybe alone was the "Humanity"....?
Probably not, but at least you can get an idea that Jane has grown up a little.
The Jane endings were realistic just because of the way Jane is. Do you expect Jane to hug Clementine and give Clementine her jacket?
I don't know why people are upset over the Jane endings either, I mean she's a loner who's ready to start a community with Clementine, she's kind of putting herself out there for her.
I really dislike how some people are saying that the writers are in love with Kenny because they gave you plenty of options to kill him and if you're trying to say that his ending is a contradiction of his characterization then you're wrong his ending is just a contradiction from the characterization of your expectations. Kenny might not be very stable but he isn't Carver just accept that, his endings had closure which was needed to prove that he wasn't a monster.
Be happy with your ending. No ending is superior to the other.
I don't like them.
That baby is going to be seeing alot more shit when he grows up. Also its not like this will be the first time the baby freaked out in a dangerous situation ( the shootout with the russians for an example). I do see where you are coming from though, its just I found the Clem alone ending to be powerful and satisfying. It showed briefly how fearless Clementine has become, and i like the idea of her trying to protect the baby by herself. I will admit though, the wellington ending- particularly if you enter and leave Kenny behind- is the more satisfying ending that gives the season more closure.
Hence 'almost' literal.
TIme for some positivity on the Jane endings:
I thought they were heartwarming.
Especially if you let the timer on the main decision run out, and Jane decided to let in the family! She's willing to trust people now, she's willing to grow.
I'm proud of my choice of #Jane'sEnding, and judging by that look, Clem's proud of Jane too.
Oh, I thought you were pro-kenny. I agree with you.
Kenny was planned as an end choice, Jane was tacked on at the last minute hence why it's not as developed. It's clear it was supposed to be Luke or Luke/Jane.
You know nothing about that walled off community that only lets certain people in. Like Crawford. Also, those walls AREN'T meant to keep the dead out, they were made that way to keep the living out and keep those inside well... Inside.
Going with Kenny leaves you uncertain as you're back to square one only you're worse for wear, have no shelter, very little food/supplies, and you're with a guy who tore apart 2 groups already and is even more insane than before.
With Jane you literally have a shelter you can call your own with food and the ability to make it self-sufficient. You also have the power to choose who gets in and who doesn't.
He is no better than Carver and Lily at the end and he knows it. That's why he wants Clementine and the Baby to leave because he knows he's too dangerous. If you leave him he kills himself, simple as that. He doesn't want to live. Especially not as a monster that would make his family sick.
That guy being revealed to have a gun was a punch and makes you wonder if it was right to give them a chance.
Wellington turns out to be a lot like Crawford.... It doesn't feel ideal at all.
Clementine starting her own community with Jane and being in a place that CAN be made self-sufficient is amazing.
Indeed, Jane seemed to be chosen at the last moment for the Final Choice when it was supposed to be Kenny vs Luke or Kenny vs Luke protecting Jane.
No, Jane is the good ending. You save Kenny from becoming the next Lily/Carver and you get to run your own Community. Finally Clementine is calling the shots.
Wasn't it good to see Kenny happy for once? I thought it was kind of bitter sweet in a way. Maybe it would not have lasted, who knows. Maybe Kenny finally would be at peace with himself, knowing that he accomplished what he set out to do, knowing that he did right by Clem and the baby by getting them to as safe a place as could be hoped for. I was so happy for both Clem and Kenny here.
Right after he ends Jane he does ask Clementine to believe in him. But he does know inside that what he did was wrong and he starts doubting himself and then he only wants Clementine and AJ to have a better life. And it's true that after that he doesn't really have a purpose anymore. But when Clementine decides to stay with him I think that's when he feels that he isn't alone anymore and that Clementine truly cares. He isn't Carver, Carver would be the one who wouldn't let Clementine and AJ go, he's sadistic and abusive. So those comparisons are incredibly invalid but the fact that Jane keeps telling him that in the car irritates him and maybe he's lost faith in himself a bit. But I think he's at his happiest when he knows that Clementine cares for him enough to stick with him.
But he really is and if that Baby dies and it's Clementine's fault? Well, Clementine will be another Jane in his book and that scares Kenny to death because he knows it's true.
Yeah very true. Jane would leave Clementine to survive while Kenny would stay with and defend her no matter what!
jane is gonna be carver she would abandon the weak and manipulate people to kill her competition no matter the cost
It's funny. Jane says the same thing to Clementine when you turn them away.
I REALLY want the alone ending to turn out to have been the best one, just to see people here would react.
I also got the alone ending. The Wellington ending seemed like the best ending for me. The alone ending is sad and you don't know what is next but that also makes it interesting since you don't know where Clem is going.
Nothing is really forced. If you dont like Kenny then just be a dick and ignore him every time you can.
The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Kenny's role in season 2 was originally intended for Christa. She would have fit perfectly as the person slowly losing it after Omid's death, blaming Clem for his death, and being focused on her baby (Little AJ would have been little OJ :P)
But because of the timeskip they gave it to Kenny.
The thing is with Wellington is that Kenny had to beg to allow Clem/Baby to be let in. How much food and shelter is their for Clem and the baby? With Jane, You don't have much food. The alone ending you don't have much of anything. The leaving with Kenny ending you are left with someone who can't really be in a group.
I think they owe Kenny more punches in his endings considering the fact that he dies more than any other NPC.