It really burns my ass when Europeans or whatever bitch about America. Its the only country that does anything.
You don't see Canada putting ground troops on the table, or Switzerland. Hell Switzerland was neutral against the Nazi in WW2. What does
that say. Cowards.
Completely agree about intervening earlier. When Assad used chemical weapons, the US had a perfect excuse to establish a no-fly zone. The Assad regime would've fallen in months. Da'esh would still have a decent foothold, but the other rebels could overwhelm them if they didn't have to worry about Assad.
I disagree about the anti-war sentiment. Americans were easily sold on two wars since 2000 and would happily approve a ground war against Da'esh. The question is, when would war fatigue set in? We've haven't fought a group that's so well-motivated and armed since the NVA regulars in Vietnam. They gave us a VERY hard time and killed plenty of our troops. This generation isn't used to those kinds of tragedies; in Fallujah, less than 100 American KIA was still considered a near-catastrophe. What happens if we lose 500 KIA when we retake Fallujah from Da'esh. In 2004, they could censor footage of US combat, but the internet is just too expanse to do so now.
The past few generations are too soft if you ask me, and an anti-war rhetoric is making itself far to prevalent in society. Sometimes war is… more the only way to deal with a threat. Talking can only get us so far. Of course, it's sad to say how War will change the ones involved, and I hate what it does to good young men and women, our soldiers who see the absolute horror of war and fighting. But we can't simply think of war as the ultimate evil, sometimes it has been the tool that liberated and saved far more lives, and our inaction to often gets people killed, like now.
America doesn't need nukes anymore, they have space satellites that can level cities in seconds. Why else would America not be testing/trying to get away from "nuclear" weapons, because obviously America has developed better WoMD.
I'm not islamophobic. I just don't want ISIS taking over my country. That's like saying someone is homophobic because they don't want to be raped by a gay guy.
That's kind of unfair. Aren't you forgetting the Canadian, German, British, Polish, etc troops that deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan alongside the US?
The real cowards are the leaders of Turkey and the gulf states. The mess is right on their doorstep, yet they refuse to do anything about it except beg for help. Probably because they know Da'esh would cream them.
Pretty much.
It really burns my ass when Europeans or whatever bitch about America. Its the only country that does anything.
You don't… more see Canada putting ground troops on the table, or Switzerland. Hell Switzerland was neutral against the Nazi in WW2. What does
that say. Cowards.
Really? I don't think that Islamic Operation Sealion is something you really have to worry about. If the Nazis can't invade Britain, neither can Da'esh.
Also, I remember seeing you make these sharia law posts in another thread. At the very least, it betrays ignorance and a fear of Islamic culture.
I'm not islamophobic. I just don't want ISIS taking over my country. That's like saying someone is homophobic because they don't want to be raped by a gay guy.
I have no fear of Islamic culture. As long as they're not hurting people, they can do anything they want. I admit I am ignorant about Islam, but who knows everything? I just don't want Islamic laws forced on my country. I'm not that worried, I'd be joining the army if I thought they were that big a threat.
Really? I don't think that Islamic Operation Sealion is something you really have to worry about. If the Nazis can't invade Britain, neith… moreer can Da'esh.
Also, I remember seeing you make these sharia law posts in another thread. At the very least, it betrays ignorance and a fear of Islamic culture.
So I've heard, but I mean come on... The brutal hate on here is too high. You'd probably say they deserve it, and I don't know how to respond except maybe refer to my post in the bandit thread.
So I've heard, but I mean come on... The brutal hate on here is too high. You'd probably say they deserve it, and I don't know how to respond except maybe refer to my post in the bandit thread.
Blades, I understand where you're coming from. We don't want war and violence to exist, but sometimes, it must be used to make peace.
There are two types of people in this world when it comes to peace. There are peace keepers, and peace makers. Peace Keepers will keep the peace. They will do whatever they have to to avoid resorting to violence to keep this peace. They will appease, and kiss butt, turn a blind eye to some injustices and kneel down before what they know is wrong, all for the sake of keeping the peace. They don't want things to get violent, to escalate, for the peace to be destroyed. I know that these people have good intentions, and they don't want to resort to violence, they are good for dealing with enemies/people that can be reasoned with. They can keep the period of peace going.
The peace makers, are the people who will make the peace. They see that things can't go on as they are. They will resort to violence, or whatever means necessary to get rid of the people who are creating chaos. They will make peace. Even if it means hurting and killing their enemies and other people in the process.
We know ISIS is not an enemy that can be reasoned with. Their ideology (ISIS NOT the Islamic Faith and the Muslim people in whole) preaches the elimination of anyone who does not share their same mindset, and the forced conversion to their way of thinking. And after what they've been doing to innocent people, their own people even. Raping women and taking them as sex slaves, Murdering innocent civilians for various reasons, their evils can not be stopped unless we stop them. Why would we want to try and find a peaceful solution to stopping them, when they've initiated the upset, and violence?
Where I live, I know almost no one whom believe that war even serves a purpose anymore. People are being taught that war should never be used under any circumstances, my generation is so anti-war that was and would be the only reason they would elect a president or support a politician is if they promised to bring our troops home and make peace.
We were eager to go to war in 2001 because we all bore witness to the horror of 9/11, of course we were eager to fight back. And you're right, we haven't fought any well motivated and well organized for a while. It was after the Vietnam War that this anti-war rhetoric really set in though, I mean, look at how the veterans of this war were treated when they returned home? But today, things are much better. However, I still see hate for our troops, and it pisses me off.
Completely agree about intervening earlier. When Assad used chemical weapons, the US had a perfect excuse to establish a no-fly zone. The … moreAssad regime would've fallen in months. Da'esh would still have a decent foothold, but the other rebels could overwhelm them if they didn't have to worry about Assad.
I disagree about the anti-war sentiment. Americans were easily sold on two wars since 2000 and would happily approve a ground war against Da'esh. The question is, when would war fatigue set in? We've haven't fought a group that's so well-motivated and armed since the NVA regulars in Vietnam. They gave us a VERY hard time and killed plenty of our troops. This generation isn't used to those kinds of tragedies; in Fallujah, less than 100 American KIA was still considered a near-catastrophe. What happens if we lose 500 KIA when we retake Fallujah from Da'esh. In 2004, they could censor footage of US combat, but the internet is just too expanse to do so now.
Well then i wouldn't be the crazy person i am today, i probably would be married with Kids living in California under a palm tree drinking one of those mexican beers, with my perfect marriage.
That's kind of unfair. Aren't you forgetting the Canadian, German, British, Polish, etc troops that deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan alongs… moreide the US?
The real cowards are the leaders of Turkey and the gulf states. The mess is right on their doorstep, yet they refuse to do anything about it except beg for help. Probably because they know Da'esh would cream them.
Well then i wouldn't be the crazy person i am today, i probably would be married with Kids living in California under a palm tree drinking one of those mexican beers, with my perfect marriage.
Maybe you're right, and you probably are. I'm probably just being stupid. I just wish there was a better way, a more peaceful way. I just hate watching people get so much hates, even if people think they do deserve it. Some could say they aren't people, but regardless they are. I was just brought up this way, and this is how I think. Does this have to be our world now? Why does it have to be this way? I know life is unfair, but so many bad things have happened on this Earth, there has to be a way, we have to change. We have to love our enemies, and keep them close.
No matter who it is, I'll always try to justify bad actions. No one can convince me otherwise. I feel really stupid saying the stuff I do and this, but I won't give up on it. I don't believe anyone is truly evil. I think maybe I think this way because it was in my faith. I'm not really sure, but why does killing have to be the answer. It's too much for me. Killing is just really big in my perspective. I never implied that they could be reasoned with, only that I hoped there would be a peaceful approach other then just bombing/shooting/killing all of them.
And we need to find a peaceful solution simply for the sake of peace. We don't need any more death then there is. I'm finding it hard to word this, but I just wish there was a more peaceful solution, but by the looks of it there won't be. My opinion means nothing though, there's no point in arguing. I understand the other point of view, but this is just mine.
Blades, I understand where you're coming from. We don't want war and violence to exist, but sometimes, it must be used to make peace.
The… morere are two types of people in this world when it comes to peace. There are peace keepers, and peace makers. Peace Keepers will keep the peace. They will do whatever they have to to avoid resorting to violence to keep this peace. They will appease, and kiss butt, turn a blind eye to some injustices and kneel down before what they know is wrong, all for the sake of keeping the peace. They don't want things to get violent, to escalate, for the peace to be destroyed. I know that these people have good intentions, and they don't want to resort to violence, they are good for dealing with enemies/people that can be reasoned with. They can keep the period of peace going.
The peace makers, are the people who will make the peace. They see that things can't go on as they are. They will resort to violence, or what… [view original content]
Where I live, I know almost no one whom believe that war even serves a purpose anymore. People are being taught that war should never be use… mored under any circumstances, my generation is so anti-war that was and would be the only reason they would elect a president or support a politician is if they promised to bring our troops home and make peace.
We were eager to go to war in 2001 because we all bore witness to the horror of 9/11, of course we were eager to fight back. And you're right, we haven't fought any well motivated and well organized for a while. It was after the Vietnam War that this anti-war rhetoric really set in though, I mean, look at how the veterans of this war were treated when they returned home? But today, things are much better. However, I still see hate for our troops, and it pisses me off.
And war fatigue has already set in if you ask me.
You're not stupid Blades. So don't say this, silly man. We all do, we all wish we could just get along. In all honesty however, I do believe that Humankind has evolved a lot. We have changed so much, we're the most humane now than we've ever been in all of history. We're doing so much better than we used too, and war is just a part of our species. But we're not to that point yet, of being able to just all love one another. Our feelings, I guess are what make us human, we'll always have them, and we need them.
I totally understand what you're saying Blades. People like you are needed in society, because you have compassion in your heart and you see the value in every human life, despite the bad things that human is done. To me, that the exact sort of mentality my faith has taught me, but I'm too harsh, too angry to see past what they've done to understand that they're still people, like you see them as. You're not wrong Blades.
And no one is saying your opinion or view of things is wrong. I'm simply stating my side of things as well. One of us might be more right than the other, but that's not for us to decide, we must go with what we feel, and learn from the world. Our experiences make us who we are, and they help us to believe in what we believe in. You're not wrong at all Blades, don't think that for a moment.
Maybe you're right, and you probably are. I'm probably just being stupid. I just wish there was a better way, a more peaceful way. I just ha… morete watching people get so much hates, even if people think they do deserve it. Some could say they aren't people, but regardless they are. I was just brought up this way, and this is how I think. Does this have to be our world now? Why does it have to be this way? I know life is unfair, but so many bad things have happened on this Earth, there has to be a way, we have to change. We have to love our enemies, and keep them close.
No matter who it is, I'll always try to justify bad actions. No one can convince me otherwise. I feel really stupid saying the stuff I do and this, but I won't give up on it. I don't believe anyone is truly evil. I think maybe I think this way because it was in my faith. I'm not really sure, but why does killing have to be the answer. It's too much for me. Killing is just really… [view original content]
They've beheaded and killed innocent people in general. Their killing of innocent American's is just more incentive for us to get into this fight, to stop them from hurting us or anyone else.
You're correct there. Not to say that Americans in particular being beheaded is worse, but it should give us incentive to fight back as you said. They are constantly talking about how they want to kill all Americans and non-believers, they think they have a chance because they think we're weak. And us not taking action isn't disproving that statement in the least. I am so pissed off tbh.
They've beheaded and killed innocent people in general. Their killing of innocent American's is just more incentive for us to get into this fight, to stop them from hurting us or anyone else.
Maybe you're right, and you probably are. I'm probably just being stupid. I just wish there was a better way, a more peaceful way. I just ha… morete watching people get so much hates, even if people think they do deserve it. Some could say they aren't people, but regardless they are. I was just brought up this way, and this is how I think. Does this have to be our world now? Why does it have to be this way? I know life is unfair, but so many bad things have happened on this Earth, there has to be a way, we have to change. We have to love our enemies, and keep them close.
No matter who it is, I'll always try to justify bad actions. No one can convince me otherwise. I feel really stupid saying the stuff I do and this, but I won't give up on it. I don't believe anyone is truly evil. I think maybe I think this way because it was in my faith. I'm not really sure, but why does killing have to be the answer. It's too much for me. Killing is just really… [view original content]
You're not stupid Blades. So don't say this, silly man. We all do, we all wish we could just get along. In all honesty however, I do believ… moree that Humankind has evolved a lot. We have changed so much, we're the most humane now than we've ever been in all of history. We're doing so much better than we used too, and war is just a part of our species. But we're not to that point yet, of being able to just all love one another. Our feelings, I guess are what make us human, we'll always have them, and we need them.
I totally understand what you're saying Blades. People like you are needed in society, because you have compassion in your heart and you see the value in every human life, despite the bad things that human is done. To me, that the exact sort of mentality my faith has taught me, but I'm too harsh, too angry to see past what they've done to understand that they're still people, like you see them as. You're not wrong Blades.
And no o… [view original content]
Some could say they aren't people, but regardless they are.
Ranging, you know you my bro, but these "things" aren't people, they're trash and they need to be taken out.
I don't getting rid of Assad is a good idea - look at how Libya is after we got rid of Ghaddafi, or Iraq after Saddam (of course, that's why we're in this mess now). Baathism is considered a dirty word because of Saddam (and now Assad), but really it is a secular, socialist (and often Pan-Arab) political movement and that's why we worked so hard to get rid of them during the cold war. The United States supported Islamic extremists in an effort to combat the Soviet Union (not to mention training the Mujahadeen - the precursor to Al Qaeda).
Plus, as far as Syrian intervention is considered, in combatting ISIS we are effectively helping the Assad Regime - the two are opposed.
Then there is the question of exactly how involved can we be in another country's politics. Assad does still have wide popular support (so do the rebels, but it's not the story of an evil tyrant who everybody hates). We overthrew the Sunni Saddam, and replaced him with a regime that highly favored Shiites and got close to Iran. Should we have overthrown their government again and again until we got one that we liked?
Completely agree about intervening earlier. When Assad used chemical weapons, the US had a perfect excuse to establish a no-fly zone. The … moreAssad regime would've fallen in months. Da'esh would still have a decent foothold, but the other rebels could overwhelm them if they didn't have to worry about Assad.
I disagree about the anti-war sentiment. Americans were easily sold on two wars since 2000 and would happily approve a ground war against Da'esh. The question is, when would war fatigue set in? We've haven't fought a group that's so well-motivated and armed since the NVA regulars in Vietnam. They gave us a VERY hard time and killed plenty of our troops. This generation isn't used to those kinds of tragedies; in Fallujah, less than 100 American KIA was still considered a near-catastrophe. What happens if we lose 500 KIA when we retake Fallujah from Da'esh. In 2004, they could censor footage of US combat, but the internet is just too expanse to do so now.
Great idea! What better way to improve our image in the Middle East than to vaporize a few million Arabs? Somebody get Ellias a job in the Department of Defense.
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For constantly decrying us as world police, the rest of the world certainly loves to cast us in that role, huh?
(?) Abu Bakr dropped the soap.
(?) The Booty Warrior will remember that.
Pretty much.
It really burns my ass when Europeans or whatever bitch about America. Its the only country that does anything.
You don't see Canada putting ground troops on the table, or Switzerland. Hell Switzerland was neutral against the Nazi in WW2. What does
that say. Cowards.
Completely agree about intervening earlier. When Assad used chemical weapons, the US had a perfect excuse to establish a no-fly zone. The Assad regime would've fallen in months. Da'esh would still have a decent foothold, but the other rebels could overwhelm them if they didn't have to worry about Assad.
I disagree about the anti-war sentiment. Americans were easily sold on two wars since 2000 and would happily approve a ground war against Da'esh. The question is, when would war fatigue set in? We've haven't fought a group that's so well-motivated and armed since the NVA regulars in Vietnam. They gave us a VERY hard time and killed plenty of our troops. This generation isn't used to those kinds of tragedies; in Fallujah, less than 100 American KIA was still considered a near-catastrophe. What happens if we lose 500 KIA when we retake Fallujah from Da'esh. In 2004, they could censor footage of US combat, but the internet is just too expanse to do so now.
Take that Islamophobic crap somewhere else man. Ain't you late for a EDL rally or something?
A 'peace' of shrapnel from a 66mm LAW would do the trick too.
America doesn't need nukes anymore, they have space satellites that can level cities in seconds. Why else would America not be testing/trying to get away from "nuclear" weapons, because obviously America has developed better WoMD.
I'm not islamophobic. I just don't want ISIS taking over my country. That's like saying someone is homophobic because they don't want to be raped by a gay guy.
That's kind of unfair. Aren't you forgetting the Canadian, German, British, Polish, etc troops that deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan alongside the US?
The real cowards are the leaders of Turkey and the gulf states. The mess is right on their doorstep, yet they refuse to do anything about it except beg for help. Probably because they know Da'esh would cream them.
Really? I don't think that Islamic Operation Sealion is something you really have to worry about. If the Nazis can't invade Britain, neither can Da'esh.
Also, I remember seeing you make these sharia law posts in another thread. At the very least, it betrays ignorance and a fear of Islamic culture.
I have no fear of Islamic culture. As long as they're not hurting people, they can do anything they want. I admit I am ignorant about Islam, but who knows everything? I just don't want Islamic laws forced on my country. I'm not that worried, I'd be joining the army if I thought they were that big a threat.
Is not having invaded Iraq in 2003 an option?
So I've heard, but I mean come on... The brutal hate on here is too high. You'd probably say they deserve it, and I don't know how to respond except maybe refer to my post in the bandit thread.
I realize where you're coming from and I agree....mostly.
Sometimes people deserve to die, these guys are included on this.
Suit yourself, it's not like any of us on this thread can do anything about it anyway.
XD That much is the truth bro.
Blades, I understand where you're coming from. We don't want war and violence to exist, but sometimes, it must be used to make peace.
There are two types of people in this world when it comes to peace. There are peace keepers, and peace makers. Peace Keepers will keep the peace. They will do whatever they have to to avoid resorting to violence to keep this peace. They will appease, and kiss butt, turn a blind eye to some injustices and kneel down before what they know is wrong, all for the sake of keeping the peace. They don't want things to get violent, to escalate, for the peace to be destroyed. I know that these people have good intentions, and they don't want to resort to violence, they are good for dealing with enemies/people that can be reasoned with. They can keep the period of peace going.
The peace makers, are the people who will make the peace. They see that things can't go on as they are. They will resort to violence, or whatever means necessary to get rid of the people who are creating chaos. They will make peace. Even if it means hurting and killing their enemies and other people in the process.
We know ISIS is not an enemy that can be reasoned with. Their ideology (ISIS NOT the Islamic Faith and the Muslim people in whole) preaches the elimination of anyone who does not share their same mindset, and the forced conversion to their way of thinking. And after what they've been doing to innocent people, their own people even. Raping women and taking them as sex slaves, Murdering innocent civilians for various reasons, their evils can not be stopped unless we stop them. Why would we want to try and find a peaceful solution to stopping them, when they've initiated the upset, and violence?
Where I live, I know almost no one whom believe that war even serves a purpose anymore. People are being taught that war should never be used under any circumstances, my generation is so anti-war that was and would be the only reason they would elect a president or support a politician is if they promised to bring our troops home and make peace.
We were eager to go to war in 2001 because we all bore witness to the horror of 9/11, of course we were eager to fight back. And you're right, we haven't fought any well motivated and well organized for a while. It was after the Vietnam War that this anti-war rhetoric really set in though, I mean, look at how the veterans of this war were treated when they returned home? But today, things are much better. However, I still see hate for our troops, and it pisses me off.
And war fatigue has already set in if you ask me.
Well then i wouldn't be the crazy person i am today, i probably would be married with Kids living in California under a palm tree drinking one of those mexican beers, with my perfect marriage.
I was over there. I stick by my statement. The only way Isis will be dealt with is with American Ground Troops.
I don't see any other nation sending Ground Troops. They are waiting for America to do everything.
I hate Political Correctness.
Its actually really sad to think about...
Maybe you're right, and you probably are. I'm probably just being stupid. I just wish there was a better way, a more peaceful way. I just hate watching people get so much hates, even if people think they do deserve it. Some could say they aren't people, but regardless they are. I was just brought up this way, and this is how I think. Does this have to be our world now? Why does it have to be this way? I know life is unfair, but so many bad things have happened on this Earth, there has to be a way, we have to change. We have to love our enemies, and keep them close.
No matter who it is, I'll always try to justify bad actions. No one can convince me otherwise. I feel really stupid saying the stuff I do and this, but I won't give up on it. I don't believe anyone is truly evil. I think maybe I think this way because it was in my faith. I'm not really sure, but why does killing have to be the answer. It's too much for me. Killing is just really big in my perspective. I never implied that they could be reasoned with, only that I hoped there would be a peaceful approach other then just bombing/shooting/killing all of them.
And we need to find a peaceful solution simply for the sake of peace. We don't need any more death then there is. I'm finding it hard to word this, but I just wish there was a more peaceful solution, but by the looks of it there won't be. My opinion means nothing though, there's no point in arguing. I understand the other point of view, but this is just mine.
Wipe them off the face of the earth. They beheaded innocent Americans, monsters don't deserve mercy.
Amen! I agree with this course of action.
Damn Hollay, you are on a roll lately! All your posts here make 100% sense, it's like you're reading my mind!XD
You're not stupid Blades. So don't say this, silly man.
We all do, we all wish we could just get along. In all honesty however, I do believe that Humankind has evolved a lot. We have changed so much, we're the most humane now than we've ever been in all of history. We're doing so much better than we used too, and war is just a part of our species. But we're not to that point yet, of being able to just all love one another. Our feelings, I guess are what make us human, we'll always have them, and we need them.
I totally understand what you're saying Blades. People like you are needed in society, because you have compassion in your heart and you see the value in every human life, despite the bad things that human is done. To me, that the exact sort of mentality my faith has taught me, but I'm too harsh, too angry to see past what they've done to understand that they're still people, like you see them as. You're not wrong Blades.
And no one is saying your opinion or view of things is wrong. I'm simply stating my side of things as well. One of us might be more right than the other, but that's not for us to decide, we must go with what we feel, and learn from the world. Our experiences make us who we are, and they help us to believe in what we believe in. You're not wrong at all Blades, don't think that for a moment.
The trolls finally left me alone, so I felt safe to speak my mind once more. We're redneck sisters, of course we can read each others minds. XD
They've beheaded and killed innocent people in general. Their killing of innocent American's is just more incentive for us to get into this fight, to stop them from hurting us or anyone else.
You're correct there. Not to say that Americans in particular being beheaded is worse, but it should give us incentive to fight back as you said. They are constantly talking about how they want to kill all Americans and non-believers, they think they have a chance because they think we're weak. And us not taking action isn't disproving that statement in the least. I am so pissed off tbh.
I was laying low for a little bit too, but they've backed off. lol Nothing can stop us now!~
Ranging, you know you my bro, but these "things" aren't people, they're trash and they need to be taken out.
Okay, thanks I guess.
Your opinion dude B]
And?
I don't getting rid of Assad is a good idea - look at how Libya is after we got rid of Ghaddafi, or Iraq after Saddam (of course, that's why we're in this mess now). Baathism is considered a dirty word because of Saddam (and now Assad), but really it is a secular, socialist (and often Pan-Arab) political movement and that's why we worked so hard to get rid of them during the cold war. The United States supported Islamic extremists in an effort to combat the Soviet Union (not to mention training the Mujahadeen - the precursor to Al Qaeda).
Plus, as far as Syrian intervention is considered, in combatting ISIS we are effectively helping the Assad Regime - the two are opposed.
Then there is the question of exactly how involved can we be in another country's politics. Assad does still have wide popular support (so do the rebels, but it's not the story of an evil tyrant who everybody hates). We overthrew the Sunni Saddam, and replaced him with a regime that highly favored Shiites and got close to Iran. Should we have overthrown their government again and again until we got one that we liked?
we nuke the people we h8 and make pizza day a national holiday no school for a week
And i'm your suburban brother!
You girls aren't rednecks...
We are children of the soil.
...I'm pretty sure more Americans have killed more innocent people using air strikes in Syria and Iraq.
But, I suppose that's the price of war.