There is DRM. But from past experience it's not very strict... I've had a couple of games on 2 systems and 5 different Windows installations without any issues. The good thing about the telltale DRM vs. the Steam DRM is that it doesn't require a constant connection.
Anyway, when you buy through Steam, TTG has to pay Valve for that and it cuts into their profits, so of course they're not going to advertise that. It's made available on Steam for people who wouldn't usually notice a TTG game to get additional customers, not to cut into the direct ones.
You don't have to agree with this strategy but those are the reasons.
Are you sure the online version uses Securom? I think it's their own system, but I could be wrong.
Nope, SecuROM also does online activation.
Try right-clicking on your MonkeyIsland101.exe and note the "Launch analysis" item; that's something added by SecuROM (and only showing up on SecuROMed executables) in case there's problems with running the game...
Try right-clicking on your MonkeyIsland101.exe and note the "Launch analysis" item; that's something added by SecuROM (and only showing up on SecuROMed executables) in case there's problems with running the game...
np: Tim Exile - Carouselle (Listening Tree)
Ah, you're right. Couldn't find it in the properties, but a quick look into my hex editor showed a few securom related registry keys.
There is DRM. But from past experience it's not very strict... I've had a couple of games on 2 systems and 5 different Windows installations without any issues. The good thing about the telltale DRM vs. the Steam DRM is that it doesn't require a constant connection.
You obviously are quite uninformed about Steam. Yes you need a connection in order to download the game, that goes without saying. After the game has been downloaded, no connection is required. Steam works without internet connection, it's not going to suddenly cut you off from your games if your internet connection isn't available. This seems to be the main issue non-steam users have with steam and it's something they seem to have a really hard time taking notice of no matter how many times it's been corrected.
Telltale DRM requires a connection for the first time you load up an episode. In that way it is inferior to steam, as you will need an internet connection on every computer you run it on for the first time for activation. You could say that this compares to the download/install on steam, except there are many more steps involved with the Telltale option. On steam, once downloaded, internet connection or not, no activation is required. On as many computers and as many times you see fit.
To reply to the original person who emailed asking if it would be on steam who DID NOT want the bonuses... why not wait until a hour or two after release (or even minutes in this situation). You would have seen it was on steam and bought it. Solved. But no, you had to preorder when the only benefit of preordering was bonuses you didn't want? :S
You obviously are quite uninformed about Steam. Yes you need a connection in order to download the game, that goes without saying. After the game has been downloaded, no connection is required. Steam works without internet connection, it's not going to suddenly cut you off from your games if your internet connection isn't available. This seems to be the main issue non-steam users have with steam and it's something they seem to have a really hard time taking notice of no matter how many times it's been corrected.
Telltale DRM requires a connection for the first time you load up an episode. In that way it is inferior to steam, as you will need an internet connection on every computer you run it on for the first time for activation. You could say that this compares to the download/install on steam, except there are many more steps involved with the Telltale option. On steam, once downloaded, internet connection or not, no activation is required. On as many computers and as many times you see fit.
It's been a while since I last used Steam. Back then many (not all, but many) titles required Steam to launch and connect during each start of the game. Glad to hear that's changed. After a while I simply couldn't be bothered to install Steam anymore. Especially since it had major stability issues (for me). Steam's startup would often interrupt the games during launch and vice-versa.
About the activation... uhm, you can't install on Steam without download can you? You can only move the raw data, but then Steam needs to reverify the data online, at least that's how it was when I last used it.
"Many more steps"? You download and install on Steam, you download, install and double-click for TTG. Intensive!
It's not that I don't like Steam; I've got it, I've got almost a dozen games registered through it, and I'll have more once I get the new LucasArts offerings. I just don't see how it makes that much of a difference.
To reply to the original person who emailed asking if it would be on steam who DID NOT want the bonuses... why not wait until a hour or two after release (or even minutes in this situation). You would have seen it was on steam and bought it. Solved. But no, you had to preorder when the only benefit of preordering was bonuses you didn't want? :S
Speaking just for myself, Tales being my first game, I was under the impression that the $35 price was a pre-order deal only. I checked the price of individual episodes of other games and it was $8.95, so I figured if I was gonna pay $35 for the thing I would have to pre-order or wait for a season DVD. I never once got the impression that the only real pre-order benefit was a slip cover, which is nice and all considering it's from Steve Purcell but not enough to make me pre-ordered just for that.
Speaking just for myself, Tales being my first game, I was under the impression that the $35 price was a pre-order deal only. I checked the price of individual episodes of other games and it was $8.95, so I figured if I was gonna pay $35 for the thing I would have to pre-order or wait for a season DVD. I never once got the impression that the only real pre-order benefit was a slip cover, which is nice and all considering it's from Steve Purcell but not enough to make me pre-ordered just for that.
Ah, fair do's. Although if you looked at the other games on their site you would see they were the same price.
I guess it's just a little lack of communication on their part overall, but can you imagine, being tasked with resurrecting Monkey frickin-island? I bet they were on their toes the entire time, I'd be scared silly at the online reaction myself! You know, things don't go perfect, and I think they did a very good job on it. For those who like to buy on Steam, well sorry, tough break. There are plenty of disadvantages to using steam however, which you might be lucky enough to have never encountered (can't say so myself :@)
"Many more steps"? You download and install on Steam, you download, install and double-click for TTG. Intensive!
It's not that I don't like Steam; I've got it, I've got almost a dozen games registered through it, and I'll have more once I get the new LucasArts offerings. I just don't see how it makes that much of a difference.
Since you use both I really don't have to break it down for you. Yes it's not a days work to get it up and running from Telltale but the whole thing is more of a hassle. On steam it's just open program, install and done. Hunting down games on various websites and manually getting them up and running simply means I probably won't play those games ever again after first play through. I might not even finish them because I might suddenly need the hard drive space it occupies and delete it, never to be installed again.
And before you call me lazy, some of us have a pretty limited gaming time, which I simply can't be bothered wasting it on hunting down games on various websites and get them up and running. Or looking for files to put on my external hard drive to lug it to another computer to install it there. The whole thing on steam is a really streamlined and polished no-nonsense system. This is also why Microsofts xbox online service is infinitely more successful than what the other consoles offer.
Ah, fair do's. Although if you looked at the other games on their site you would see they were the same price.
I guess it's just a little lack of communication on their part overall, but can you imagine, being tasked with resurrecting Monkey frickin-island? I bet they were on their toes the entire time, I'd be scared silly at the online reaction myself! You know, things don't go perfect, and I think they did a very good job on it. For those who like to buy on Steam, well sorry, tough break. There are plenty of disadvantages to using steam however, which you might be lucky enough to have never encountered (can't say so myself :@)
As far as I could tell all the other games had all their episodes out already, except for Wallace and Gromit which based on the price on steam I was under the impression that each episode cost $35, which I found rather odd but didn't investigate further since I have no interest in that game. I now know it says $35 next to every episode on steam since you can only buy the whole season at once like with Tales. As a new customer I found all of this very confusing.
You obviously are quite uninformed about Steam. Yes you need a connection in order to download the game, that goes without saying. After the game has been downloaded, no connection is required. Steam works without internet connection, it's not going to suddenly cut you off from your games if your internet connection isn't available. This seems to be the main issue non-steam users have with steam and it's something they seem to have a really hard time taking notice of no matter how many times it's been corrected.
Telltale DRM requires a connection for the first time you load up an episode. In that way it is inferior to steam, as you will need an internet connection on every computer you run it on for the first time for activation. You could say that this compares to the download/install on steam, except there are many more steps involved with the Telltale option. On steam, once downloaded, internet connection or not, no activation is required. On as many computers and as many times you see fit.
That's funny. Back on June 16th, my broadband internet was down and I couldn't play any of my Steam games. I would try to open Steam, it would try to connect, show an error message and asked if I wanted to start in Offline Mode. And when I clicked yes, I would get a message saying it couldn't find a connection and then close Steam.
In my opinion im glad I bought it from telltale for the single reason that they are offering it at roughly the same price... The only thing that makes me buy games off steam is the fact that there is no CD required and as that is true in this case I have absolutely no problem in giving 100% of the money to the creators of a totally epic game in the hope they will use the money to make even more totally epic games instead of giving it to VALVe who also make totally epic games but didn't make this totally epic game.
The only benifits of buying this game on steam I can see are 1) logging the hours you have played and showing your friends you own it. and 2) if there were additional achievements that were tacked on.
Either way it's about e-peen.
So good work Telltale and good work Steam too, but I do think you should have held exclusivity for a little longer
People, after all these times, after all these Telltale episodic games being released on Steam, how could you NOT expect the game coming on Steam?
I myself had wondered if I would wait until the game comes out on Steam, but I said to myself, the hell with Steam, I'd rather give myself the bonus content. And I might in the future buy it again on Steam. But never did I think the games wouldn't come out on Steam. I mean, I did had my doubts with Wallace and Gromit, but never with ToMI. The only thing that surprised me was the fact that the game is already in the stores right now.
And really, you don't care about the bonus content? What are you, freaking nuts? You get to pay the same amount of money people would have to pay up now on Steam, but WITH free stuff. Not to mention Europe, including the UK, gets screwed over on Steam with the price ratio. At least on the Telltale store you pay up IN DOLLARS. So $1 =! €1.
The only reason I would buy it on Steam is to boast to everybody how much money I spent on Steam using the Steam Calculator. Whoop dee doo, I spent $649.68 on Steam. Now I'm the man.
EDIT: Correction, $664.65, $899.24 without packages.
I will not talk about steam again, i promised i would stop and thats what i intend to do, my opinion about steam can be found in several posts, thats enough
i learned one thing from writing here, its great to live in a democratie as we do and being able to express our opinion, i always believed and still do, that is important to say what your opinion is, if you dont say it nothing will change, if you do perhaps one day the people who decide will change their opinion, but its not good if you get angry when somebody does not have the same opinion, i apologize if i insulted somebody
Just wanted to report that i got my money back super quickly after contacting the telltale games support, after writing this post i will go to steam and buy the game there, i love steam, i love telltale games and i love elaine errr monkey island
I'm glad you were able to get what you wanted, Telltale's support is definitely fairly amicable in most regards.
It still just seems extremely odd that this sort of thing wasn't communicated on the outset by either party, though. Unless it was a last-minute LucasArts thing? I have no idea.
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I can install on 5 computers with no restrictions?
np: Tim Exile - Pay Tomorrow (Listening Tree)
Anyway, when you buy through Steam, TTG has to pay Valve for that and it cuts into their profits, so of course they're not going to advertise that. It's made available on Steam for people who wouldn't usually notice a TTG game to get additional customers, not to cut into the direct ones.
You don't have to agree with this strategy but those are the reasons.
I think you get 20 installs to start with. And if you use them up I believe the kind support people can help you get more. Within reason, of course.
As for DRM well yeah there is some - it's activated either online or through the use of your serial code.
Are you sure the online version uses Securom? I think it's their own system, but I could be wrong.
Try right-clicking on your MonkeyIsland101.exe and note the "Launch analysis" item; that's something added by SecuROM (and only showing up on SecuROMed executables) in case there's problems with running the game...
np: Tim Exile - Carouselle (Listening Tree)
Ah, you're right. Couldn't find it in the properties, but a quick look into my hex editor showed a few securom related registry keys.
You obviously are quite uninformed about Steam. Yes you need a connection in order to download the game, that goes without saying. After the game has been downloaded, no connection is required. Steam works without internet connection, it's not going to suddenly cut you off from your games if your internet connection isn't available. This seems to be the main issue non-steam users have with steam and it's something they seem to have a really hard time taking notice of no matter how many times it's been corrected.
Telltale DRM requires a connection for the first time you load up an episode. In that way it is inferior to steam, as you will need an internet connection on every computer you run it on for the first time for activation. You could say that this compares to the download/install on steam, except there are many more steps involved with the Telltale option. On steam, once downloaded, internet connection or not, no activation is required. On as many computers and as many times you see fit.
It's been a while since I last used Steam. Back then many (not all, but many) titles required Steam to launch and connect during each start of the game. Glad to hear that's changed. After a while I simply couldn't be bothered to install Steam anymore. Especially since it had major stability issues (for me). Steam's startup would often interrupt the games during launch and vice-versa.
About the activation... uhm, you can't install on Steam without download can you? You can only move the raw data, but then Steam needs to reverify the data online, at least that's how it was when I last used it.
It's not that I don't like Steam; I've got it, I've got almost a dozen games registered through it, and I'll have more once I get the new LucasArts offerings. I just don't see how it makes that much of a difference.
Speaking just for myself, Tales being my first game, I was under the impression that the $35 price was a pre-order deal only. I checked the price of individual episodes of other games and it was $8.95, so I figured if I was gonna pay $35 for the thing I would have to pre-order or wait for a season DVD. I never once got the impression that the only real pre-order benefit was a slip cover, which is nice and all considering it's from Steve Purcell but not enough to make me pre-ordered just for that.
Ah, fair do's. Although if you looked at the other games on their site you would see they were the same price.
I guess it's just a little lack of communication on their part overall, but can you imagine, being tasked with resurrecting Monkey frickin-island? I bet they were on their toes the entire time, I'd be scared silly at the online reaction myself! You know, things don't go perfect, and I think they did a very good job on it. For those who like to buy on Steam, well sorry, tough break. There are plenty of disadvantages to using steam however, which you might be lucky enough to have never encountered (can't say so myself :@)
Since you use both I really don't have to break it down for you. Yes it's not a days work to get it up and running from Telltale but the whole thing is more of a hassle. On steam it's just open program, install and done. Hunting down games on various websites and manually getting them up and running simply means I probably won't play those games ever again after first play through. I might not even finish them because I might suddenly need the hard drive space it occupies and delete it, never to be installed again.
And before you call me lazy, some of us have a pretty limited gaming time, which I simply can't be bothered wasting it on hunting down games on various websites and get them up and running. Or looking for files to put on my external hard drive to lug it to another computer to install it there. The whole thing on steam is a really streamlined and polished no-nonsense system. This is also why Microsofts xbox online service is infinitely more successful than what the other consoles offer.
As far as I could tell all the other games had all their episodes out already, except for Wallace and Gromit which based on the price on steam I was under the impression that each episode cost $35, which I found rather odd but didn't investigate further since I have no interest in that game. I now know it says $35 next to every episode on steam since you can only buy the whole season at once like with Tales. As a new customer I found all of this very confusing.
That's funny. Back on June 16th, my broadband internet was down and I couldn't play any of my Steam games. I would try to open Steam, it would try to connect, show an error message and asked if I wanted to start in Offline Mode. And when I clicked yes, I would get a message saying it couldn't find a connection and then close Steam.
The only benifits of buying this game on steam I can see are 1) logging the hours you have played and showing your friends you own it. and 2) if there were additional achievements that were tacked on.
Either way it's about e-peen.
So good work Telltale and good work Steam too, but I do think you should have held exclusivity for a little longer
Seriously?
I mean, seriously?
People, after all these times, after all these Telltale episodic games being released on Steam, how could you NOT expect the game coming on Steam?
I myself had wondered if I would wait until the game comes out on Steam, but I said to myself, the hell with Steam, I'd rather give myself the bonus content. And I might in the future buy it again on Steam. But never did I think the games wouldn't come out on Steam. I mean, I did had my doubts with Wallace and Gromit, but never with ToMI. The only thing that surprised me was the fact that the game is already in the stores right now.
And really, you don't care about the bonus content? What are you, freaking nuts? You get to pay the same amount of money people would have to pay up now on Steam, but WITH free stuff. Not to mention Europe, including the UK, gets screwed over on Steam with the price ratio. At least on the Telltale store you pay up IN DOLLARS. So $1 =! €1.
The only reason I would buy it on Steam is to boast to everybody how much money I spent on Steam using the Steam Calculator. Whoop dee doo, I spent $649.68 on Steam. Now I'm the man.
EDIT: Correction, $664.65, $899.24 without packages.
i learned one thing from writing here, its great to live in a democratie as we do and being able to express our opinion, i always believed and still do, that is important to say what your opinion is, if you dont say it nothing will change, if you do perhaps one day the people who decide will change their opinion, but its not good if you get angry when somebody does not have the same opinion, i apologize if i insulted somebody
Just wanted to report that i got my money back super quickly after contacting the telltale games support, after writing this post i will go to steam and buy the game there, i love steam, i love telltale games and i love elaine errr monkey island
It still just seems extremely odd that this sort of thing wasn't communicated on the outset by either party, though. Unless it was a last-minute LucasArts thing? I have no idea.