Realism Problems(Episode 2 Spoilers-Sorry for Bad Grammer)
Ok. So, there are some realism problems. I'm not going to talk about Clem.
First, Carver's team come. With AK-47 guns. And, they headshot zombies without aiming. Yeah, they even not aim, holding guns near waist. And, AK-47 got huge recoil. Doesn't matter you aim or not, huge recoil. You can't keep firing for seconds and hit correctly. And they are not professional soldiers.
Second, Kenny shoots Carver in the shoulder, with hunting rifle. But it didn't effect, he stand up and use his arm without problem, and shoot Alvin. Wow, I mean, he get shot. Min. caliber 22LR, but still effective. People hunt animals with it. And, it couldn't stop Carver. Like I said, didn't effect. But, it can be stronger caliber than 22LR. So still, he can't act like nothing happened.
Look, it hits Nerveous System. Plus, he didn't do anything to stop bleeding, too.
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What is it with people and REALISM? It's a zombie apocalypse: there is nothing real about it.
Still, that doesn't mean they shouldn't stick to some rules, regardless if it's real or not. I'd be lying if I said that part didn't bugged me a bit as well. But then again, I don't make a big deal out of it.
Who says Carver's group aren't professionals? It isn't like no one could've been in the military or law enforcement
When people start walking around with heads lopped off, then talk to me about realism.
Just go with it. Nit-picking the game only ruins the experience.
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That kind of attitude is terrible. Realism can be a factor even when some aspects are unreal. TWD is clearly a realistic game, with one alteration made, just like a lot of good sci-fi is.
The military and law enforcement aim down their sights and still don't hit every shot perfectly. It bugged me too, but I let it go.
Rick in the show hits the Governor there with a .44 and the Governor is fine, in fact he's probably better than ever afterwards. Completely ridiculous, but there's nothing I can do about it now except hope something like that doesn't happen again.
If there was nothing real about it, then the character interactions would probably not be as convincing as they are, and the game would likewise be nowhere near as awesome.
That's not the point: I'm not saying they shouldn't be realistic and use the ZA as an excuse, but come on.
It's a caliber 22 that probably lost some power after going through a window and a very thick coat
I'm just nit picking with that, I know you didn't mean the interactions, but I still think that if they are going to use guns and such that it should be realistic. The reason TWD is so relatable is because of its realism. It's our world thrown into chaos. As for the shot on Carver, I agree with Clem_Is_Awesome, "It's a caliber 22 that probably lost some power after going through a window and a very thick coat."
Realism Problems Episode 2...there are zombies Walking around!!!
Sorry, clarifying, I mean the OP saying there are no professionals in the group
Carver could have easily been shot in the brachial artery. At the very least, being shot in the shoulder should have slowed him down.
OP is totally right about the AK-47s, though. They cannot be fired rapidly due to the huge recoil. Finding ammo for them is a whole other ballgame, and they are very loud guns.
Ah, yeah, that we don't know. Besides, after 2 years in the zombie apocalypse, most surviving people are experts.
Actually it cant slow very much. Rifle is strong but cant explain whole thing in English but ill try later.
Your realism got thrown out the window when zombies started getting up after dying.
Or it could of just grazed him...
Yeah, the AK47 part bugged me too.
First, the big recoil. Professional or not, the rifles still have a too big recoil to fire them rapidly for straight ten seconds.
Second, the noise. If I remeber correctly, the guns weren't that loud ingame. But they are VERY loud IRL.
Third (and worst), they literally hit zombies only. Of course, it would feel ridiculous too if every cabin group member had died, but you can't really aim when you shoot, well, without aiming! They hit every zombie around the cabin, and not a single bullet grazed one of the survivors.
As for Carver, I think the bullet just grazed him. But if it didn't, it could still be possible. Sure, a shot on the shoulder hurts like hell itself, but you can easily survive it. Also, the main artery is closer to the neck. But he is clearly shot in the outer part of the shoulder.
Only thing that bugs me REALLY here is that he just gets up and is able to shoot straight, and how he afterwards has the strength to grab Sarita and point a gun at her head.
Edit: Okay, I was wrong with the shoulder part. He is shot pretty close to the neck, wich is really stupid, because then the OP is right, he should have died.
Carver is a one tough old man
You took the thoughts right out of my head, the biggest problem for me though (oddly i didn't really think twice about him getting back up from the rifle shot - although it did shock the hell out of me) was the AK'S i mean seriously, in the first place where did they get them?. Secondly, as you already said, they were hip firing and still managed accurate head shots - Bull.S. Maybe carver can't feel pain lol (you know like renard from the james bond films) - seriously though, maybe he's just used to getting shot, after all how many times has kenny been shot now?.
I mean seriously, a quick google search would have told TT that much, do they not have a researcher in their team?
EDIT also when kenny took the risk to shoot Carver (and hit him), and he got back up and took serita,(or however you spell her name) WHY TELLTALE did you not give me the option to encourage Kenny to shoot, he could have made that shot - sure it would be risky - but he could do (he took the risk for alvin and it paid off... kinda)
Oh yeah, I forgot. Why they don't use M16 or M4A1? Or any American Military Gun? Why fcuking AK's?
In game, rifles like .308 Winchester.
For Recoil.
Going through a window is going to take VERY little power away from it - IT'S 22 CALIBER!! going past the speed of sound at fairly close range- and as for a thick coat lol don't make me laugh - that's like saying butter slows down a butchers knife..... by about 0.00000000001 seconds.
You'd be surprised how easy it can be to find guns, even obscure ones you think would only be used in a nation's military; especially in the south.
I totally agree. I also find it weird how Clem is able to listen to conversations that she is not even close to being within earshot of.
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I ask myself the whole season why does a little girl everything in the group. Clem does more than Carlos or alvin
This. In the US, they should be using scoped M16s or AR-15s with single-shot or burst fire. It's not hard to imagine that they could find ammo- the US has so incredibly much of that lying around that they could shoot zombies for a hundred years and not run out.
But an AK? Why? By the way, 7.62 doesn't just go in, it COMES OUT. It doesn't make neat little holes. Those zombies should have been more or less cut to ribbons.
And no matter what Carver got hit with, even if he was able to get up right away, he would not be firing a gun from that arm. It's just ridiculous.
I'm with you. This kind of nitpicking drives me crazy. These aren't even real people. They're basically cartoons.
Double post sorry
I don't think the US military uses AK'S though do they? i thought that was just for militias on a budget in some poor African country - after all some far more advanced guns have been developed since the AK'S time. http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyweapons/l/aainfantry1.htm this page goes over some standard issues. America is full of guns, but i would amagine you'll only find AK'S in select gun shops and in the apocalypse (not to mention his camp is the middle of a woodland/national park area) i just don't find it reasonably they would be able to get that many AK'S AND the ammo for them. Now if they came out blasting M16'S - that would be a different story. It's very likely in the even of a apoc the army would have weapon stashes/air drops with crates of ammo, if (or rather when) they got overrun by zombies, it's reasonable to think carver and his ragtag band could stride in and pinch them. But AK's seriously?. WTF are you going to find lots of them in modern day america, with a plentiful supply of ammo?.Certainly not in the middle of (what i think is) a national park. Heck even any gun shops nearby are going to contain common hunting weapons - like the common place 22 caliber rifles everyone's always carrying about in TWD and the common place pistols - you ain't gonna find outdated AK'S.
(sorry for the long post - it seemed shorter in my head lol)
Come on man. Are you really going to complain because the characters didn't hold the guns like they would in real life? What does it matter anyway. If they wouldn't have gone for headshots they'd just have been able to spray them down.
And as for carver; there's a reason he's shot in the shoulder and not in the head.
To be honest a 22 would not knock Clementine on her ass. It has very little kick so it's probably a higher caliber rifle.
I agree. While it's not completely immersion-breaking, I really dislike that getting shot in the shoulder has become narrative shorthand for walking away from a gunshot. Infection and tissue damage, not to mention blood loss will still be potentially life threatening factors, especially in a post hospital world.
Not a huge deal, I guess, but it rubs me the wrong way.
The only thing i can possibly think of (and i said it before in an earlier post - but partially as a joke) is that Carver has nervous system problems and probably can't feel - maybe that gets explored in later episodes. Think about Renard from the James bond films, he could things no normal man would even get close to (although that was due to a bullet to the brain - not being able to be operated on to remove it, pressure on a certain part of the brain shut down his nervous system - which is obviously not what happened to Carver). But even that is a bit of a stretch explanation. I can't think of any rational reason they managed to headshot those zombies, from the hip, on full auto without hitting at-least one survivor.
might as well add lee in ep 5 and say the bite was a dog bite and confirmed by carlos
Unless it was a flesh wound