Are you sure Carley was unarmed? She usually carries her gun with her everywhere. She did nothing? Daamn man go play that scene again because Carley really told Lilly off and I would be pissed as Lilly was.
Leaving Clem behind. PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES. Jesus all you people complain about bitches, killers, idiots, dumb asses. Well guess what. Humans actually make mistakes. We learn from those mistakes. Some make more than others. Some don't learn and some will learn later than others.
Again. None of the TWD characters have had a huge ass brick thing dropped on a parent who is the only thing the person cares about. Carley insults Lilly calling her a scared little bitch. You call that nothing? Swearing in my book is pretty hurtful.
When seeing Kenny. Yes because you wouldn't hug a guy you haven't seen in years. He was in her group. Doesn't matter what he did but that he was there. Seeing someone familiar after years isn't scary even if they did horrible stuff.
Okay, So in an apocalypse. One of your group members is a convicted killer. Lets all be friends!!! I love murderers! Larry wants to give murderers his charm!
Well it seems to me that Kenny swears the most.
Again with the RV. People make mistakes. She probably figured they would use the train and if not then... walk.
Yes but a boat? Don't you think other people had the same idea?
The car situation was definitely the Stranger's fault...
Yes but when you return she is concerned. Kenny says something like "We could have left her" and Lilly responds "And let her suffer?" like she disagreed with Kenny. Obviously she said that were not responsible for survivors thing. But this was a different scenario. The girl was bit and shes not much of a survivor in my eyes.
Yes but Kenny was eager to go looking for a boat, with or without Omid.
Stuck with me to the end? HAHA hilarious my friend. Stuck by my side no matter what decisions? That is a good one. I tried to save Larry and guess what? When Danny attacked me he watched, when the door fell on me in the pharmacy he watched, when a pilot zombie attacked me he watched, when I went to look for Clem he stayed behind. Lilly saved me from Danny and Andy(my play through) Stuck by your side no matter what decision my ass. In my playthrough the only one Lilly trusted was me. I bet you played pro-kenny...
And killing Larry was necessary? I could have saved him. His mouth moved. The LEAST Kenny could have done was hold the salt lick over his head and if he reanimated then drop it.
Lilly killed Carley because she insulted her. She went off on her. That is the thing about this game. Everyone is different and unique in their own way. But I am sick and tired of people calling Lilly, Bonnie, Dee, etc bitches. I find that is a strong word and it is just so insulting. And then they go out of their way to say I hope that bitch burns in hell like what the f***! That's just cruel...
Why do you guys not want Lilly back so much? Seriously whats up with all the hate?
She's hated because she's a murderous, backstabbi… moreng, whiny, hypocritical coward.
Obviously you do not see characters as Lilly fans do.
We saw enough on screen to determine how bad she is.
As UndeadEuan said... Lilly killed Carley out of anger. Lee killed the senator out of anger.
Lee killed a guy in a fight by accident with reason and showed remorse.
Lilly killed a woman in cold blood on purpose for no reason and showed no remorse.
I know killing Carley/Doug sucked but this is the walking dead. People die.
Really? That's your excuse? People die? Yeah people die but that doesn't give her or anyone a reason to shoot an unarmed woman that never did anything to her.
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Why do you guys not want Lilly back so much? Seriously whats up with all the hate? Obviously you do not see characters as Lilly fans do. As … moreUndeadEuan said... Lilly killed Carley out of anger. Lee killed the senator out of anger. I know killing Carley/Doug sucked but this is the walking dead. People die. And for some reason when your watching Jolene's video and Clementine is playing with chalk on the sidewalk. Lilly goes up to Clementine kneels down and talks to her. That may not mean much but it means a lot to me. She lost it a little but seriously. How would you feel if a person you hated dropped a salt lick on one of your parents heads. That's really brutal if you ask me.
Kenny scared Clementine even more. He drops a salt lick on a mans head right in front of her. He swears all the time in front of her. He runs away with Duck leaving Shawn to die. He becomes a hard man who's only goal is a boat. He takes the food in the car when Lilly a… [view original content]
Are you sure Carley was unarmed? She usually carries her gun with her everywhere. She did nothing? Daamn man go play that scene again because Carley really told Lilly off and I would be pissed as Lilly was.
Was Carley holding a gun or pointing it at anyone? No. And yeah, she did nothing not unless you count telling people off as a sign of danger which is nonsense. You're telling me to play that scene? Why do you think Carley told Lilly off? So Carley had no right to defend herself?
Leaving Clem behind. PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES. Jesus all you people complain about bitches, killers, idiots, dumb asses. Well guess what. Humans actually make mistakes. We learn from those mistakes. Some make more than others. Some don't learn and some will learn later than others.
She left a little girl for dead, that's no mistake, that's just cowardly and heartless not to mention she didn't have the look of guilt when she was stealing it, she knew what she was doing. You were criticizing Kenny earlier when he did the same with Shawn Greene even though he was trying to get his son to safety and showed remorse yet you you're not giving him the benefit of the doubt as you're doing with Lilly. Oh the Irony!
Again. None of the TWD characters have had a huge ass brick thing dropped on a parent who is the only thing the person cares about. Carley insults Lilly calling her a scared little bitch. You call that nothing? Swearing in my book is pretty hurtful.
You must not read the comics if you think that's bad. And yes, I call that nothing and Carley never called her a scared little bitch, she called her a scared little girl and if Lilly wants to act like a bitch then she gets called one. In your book, does swearing get you the death sentence?
When seeing Kenny. Yes because you wouldn't hug a guy you haven't seen in years. He was in her group. Doesn't matter what he did but that he was there. Seeing someone familiar after years isn't scary even if they did horrible stuff.
That makes no sense. So she would hug The Stranger or the St Johns because they are familiar faces?
Okay, So in an apocalypse. One of your group members is a convicted killer. Lets all be friends!!! I love murderers! Larry wants to give murderers his charm!
What if I told you if Lee killed the Senator because the Senator called him a bitch, would that make things better?
In all seriousness, isn't that what you're doing with Lilly, "Let's all be friends with the murderers hallelujah".
Well it seems to me that Kenny swears the most.
Larry is the one that swears the most.
Again with the RV. People make mistakes. She probably figured they would use the train and if not then... walk.
That's real constructive. Why couldn't the lazy bitch walk?
Yes but a boat? Don't you think other people had the same idea?
They were out in a middle of the road, they had no where else to go so the boat idea seemed good at the time.
The car situation was definitely the Stranger's fault...
That's something we both can agree on.
Yes but when you return she is concerned. Kenny says something like "We could have left her" and Lilly responds "And let her suffer?" like she disagreed with Kenny. Obviously she said that were not responsible for survivors thing. But this was a different scenario. The girl was bit and shes not much of a survivor in my eyes.
She always disagrees with Kenny. Don't you remember that she was willing to let Lee, Clem, Kenny, Katjaa & Duck suffer and expect Lee, Mark & Kenny to do the same with Ben? Lilly didn't know she was bitten before questioning Kenny & Lee on their decision to let her suffer. Besides, she wouldn't waste a bullet for living healthy survivors so why would she waste a bullet on bitten infected survivors.
Yes but Kenny was eager to go looking for a boat, with or without Omid.
Did he actually leave him behind?
Stuck with me to the end? HAHA hilarious my friend. Stuck by my side no matter what decisions? That is a good one. I tried to save Larry and guess what? When Danny attacked me he watched, when the door fell on me in the pharmacy he watched, when a pilot zombie attacked me he watched, when I went to look for Clem he stayed behind. Lilly saved me from Danny and Andy(my play through) Stuck by your side no matter what decision my ass. In my playthrough the only one Lilly trusted was me. I bet you played pro-kenny...
I'm curious, in your playthrough, did Kenny take the boat and run? Nope, I don't think he did. Where was Lilly again? oh that's right, she ditched your ass and is cruising in the RV, yeah she really trusted you didn't she, I thought you two were the best of friends HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Maybe you should play the game with different choices, you'll I notice that Kenny has more positives than negatives while Lilly had only negatives. The bitch didn't give a fuck that her dad tried to kill me and expected me to favors for him, never listened to anybody, killed a close friend(Though I suspect you may have egged Lilly on when she was pointing fingers instead of telling her to keep calm because most Lilly fans have a heavy hatred for Carley) and didn't give a shit, ratted me out as a killer, leaves you for dead and she does this no matter what choices you make with her. I'm sure you got these results even when you played Pro-Lilly.
And killing Larry was necessary? I could have saved him. His mouth moved. The LEAST Kenny could have done was hold the salt lick over his head and if he reanimated then drop it.
There was no saving him without the meds he needs, remember Episode 1. Besides, if killing Larry isn't necessary, was killing Carley necessary? because you seem to be more furious with Larry's death than you are with Carley's.
Lilly killed Carley because she insulted her. She went off on her. That is the thing about this game. Everyone is different and unique in their own way. But I am sick and tired of people calling Lilly, Bonnie, Dee, etc bitches. I find that is a strong word and it is just so insulting. And then they go out of their way to say I hope that bitch burns in hell like what the f***! That's just cruel...
So by your logic, if a guy gets up in my face and starts giving me a hard time and I call him a dickhead which pisses him off and stabs me, is it my fault that I got stabbed because some asshole couldn't handle the dirt he was dishing out to me? That's because Lilly is one. She committed an evil act as well having a bitchy attitude. Insulting to who? It's not like your calling all women that word only to the person you directed it at. So wanting a murderer dead is cruel now but her killing an innocent person isn't?
Been protecting Lilly all day.. Well here goes.
Are you sure Carley was unarmed? She usually carries her gun with her everywhere. She did… more nothing? Daamn man go play that scene again because Carley really told Lilly off and I would be pissed as Lilly was.
Leaving Clem behind. PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES. Jesus all you people complain about bitches, killers, idiots, dumb asses. Well guess what. Humans actually make mistakes. We learn from those mistakes. Some make more than others. Some don't learn and some will learn later than others.
Again. None of the TWD characters have had a huge ass brick thing dropped on a parent who is the only thing the person cares about. Carley insults Lilly calling her a scared little bitch. You call that nothing? Swearing in my book is pretty hurtful.
When seeing Kenny. Yes because you wouldn't hug a guy you haven't seen in years. He was in her group. Doesn't matter what he did but that he was there. Seeing s… [view original content]
Um, not quite that simple. Lilly killed someone because she was steadfastly sure that it had to be Ben (and she was right) and/or Carley who were the thieves and traitors to the group. And then Carley openly insulted her and mocked her (and she deserved it, I grant you), but it was an insult coming from someone she already strongly suspected of being involved in the plot to kill everybody. That significantly draws out more rage than a simple insult.
You also can't make light of the rationing decisions. That's about as hard a job as it can get in this life, especially since Lilly felt like everyone was resenting her for a job that nobody wanted to do. That's actually a very decent point she made. That said, I don't know about "tough" decisions, but she handled the food, and also scheduled gun training for the group to help them defend themselves with firearms. She was a good leader when she had to be, but then started to lose it after Larry's death.
Killing someone because they said something mean to you vs. killing someone because they're having an affair with your wife.. hmmm. I'm not … moresaying Lee's actions from back then are justified, but come on. He also actively redeemed himself all of season one. Its surprising that Lee murdered someone in the past. Its not surprising what Lilly did.
Other than handling food rations, what "tough" decisions did Lilly ever make? She was an emotionally unbalanced character and a bad leader.
Nah, I think she can be fairly likable based on her better moments. I never thought she was particularly unpleasant to you when you agree with her. I mean, seriously, if people can say Nate is likable, or Merle or even the goddamn Governor from the TV show, there's nothing wrong with saying Lilly was likable, lol.
For me, it was her moments of leadership that were alluded to, her kindness towards Lee when you agreed, her badass moments like taking out Danny, shooting Andy, and immediately jumping out the window to get the drop on the bandits who almost killed everybody. I have my issues with Kenny these days, but I also say he's a very likable guy when you're on his good side.
lol yeah maybe likeable is a bit of a long shot. I found her strangely likeable anyway. All I know is that through my first playthrough I always took her side, because I always agreed with her. But yeah, I totally agree with you.
I have to know why people are justifying Lee's killing of the senator. I know y'all start off with "I'm not trying to justify it" but then you proceed to do just that. Murdering someone because they are having sex is bullshit. "But it's his wife!" A) She's not his property, Adultery is not a capital offense.
Kenny and Lilly both murdered someone in a crime of passion shortly following several extremely distressing events. Kenny murdered Larry while he was panicking about his wife and son being eaten by cannibals. Lilly murdered Carley while she was freaking out about watching her dad's head getting turned into Ragu in front of her, finding out that her home was being betrayed from the inside, having her home be overrun, and then having someone give her even more shit. Carley's behavior was especially galling given that she and Ben did not suffer any of the crap the other players did at St. Johns. This doesn't excuse her murder, but it has to be mentioned that her behavior only made a volatile situation worse.
Kenny and Lilly are very similar people, though Kenny cares about individuals over the group and Lilly cares about the group over individuals (though she has a soft spot for kids, apparently). Both are hard-headed, rash, impulsive people who make huge mistakes in the heat of the moment and then try to justify it to themselves. Dunno why people act like they're so different from each other when they're so obviously mirrors of each other.
I don't know if I want Lilly to return, but I do think there is some good that could be done with her presence. It would give Clem and chance to confront her about what she did to Carley/Doug. Killing her would be cathartic, yes, but I don't know if that would add anything to the story.
So we can tie her to a stake with barbed wire, cut her eyes out, pour gasoline in the sockets and set her on fire. After that her putrid soul can join her father's in Hell for eternity.
Why else would we want that worthless piece of human garbage to come back?
So we can tie her to a stake with barbed wire, cut her eyes out, pour gasoline in the sockets and set her on fire. After that her putrid sou… morel can join her father's in Hell for eternity.
Why else would we want that worthless piece of human garbage to come back?
Are you sure Carley was unarmed? She usually carries her gun with her everywhere. She did nothing? Daamn man go play that scene again becaus… moree Carley really told Lilly off and I would be pissed as Lilly was.
Was Carley holding a gun or pointing it at anyone? No. And yeah, she did nothing not unless you count telling people off as a sign of danger which is nonsense. You're telling me to play that scene? Why do you think Carley told Lilly off? So Carley had no right to defend herself?
Leaving Clem behind. PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES. Jesus all you people complain about bitches, killers, idiots, dumb asses. Well guess what. Humans actually make mistakes. We learn from those mistakes. Some make more than others. Some don't learn and some will learn later than others.
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I agree man. In fact, I ended up siding with Lilly more than Kenny in season 1. She always had good points when it came to her arguments between Kenny. I was sure that the ITYWD person was gonna be Lilly, I was even preparing for it. Then I saw Kenny (which I was still EXTREMELY happy over), but I was kind of surprised that it wasn't Lilly. Either way. I'm sure Lilly will return later in season 2. Telltale makes sure we don't know if people actually dead for a reason. Just like the #1 rule in The Walking Dead, no one is ever confirmed dead unless you see a body.
(Sorry if there were a lot of typos or mistakes, I'm on my Kindle Fire at the moment).
Why do you guys not want Lilly back so much? Seriously whats up with all the hate? Obviously you do not see characters as Lilly fans do. As … moreUndeadEuan said... Lilly killed Carley out of anger. Lee killed the senator out of anger. I know killing Carley/Doug sucked but this is the walking dead. People die. And for some reason when your watching Jolene's video and Clementine is playing with chalk on the sidewalk. Lilly goes up to Clementine kneels down and talks to her. That may not mean much but it means a lot to me. She lost it a little but seriously. How would you feel if a person you hated dropped a salt lick on one of your parents heads. That's really brutal if you ask me.
Kenny scared Clementine even more. He drops a salt lick on a mans head right in front of her. He swears all the time in front of her. He runs away with Duck leaving Shawn to die. He becomes a hard man who's only goal is a boat. He takes the food in the car when Lilly a… [view original content]
Lilly is pretty much one of the only characters from season one whom's fate was left ambiguous, so now that we have Kenny's fate explored, how about Lilly's?
I guess a lot of the dislike with Lily is due to Carley. I had chosen Doug in my first playthrough, and Lily's character seems so much more different just because of that. In the Carley case, she just up and shot her in the face out of nowhere. In Doug's case, she was going to shoot Ben (and she was right about his actions, maybe not what he deserved) and Doug went all BAMF hero mode and took the bullet. In this scenario, Lily is devastated, completely remorseful of what she did, and I see the sign of her shutting up as a "ohgodwhathaveIdone" thing. In Carley's scenario, Lily just seems to be "she deserved it", making her seem much more cold and bitchy. I'd wager that this is an important point here, since depending on the survivor, Lily appears as a completely different person by the end.
If Lily does make it back, I hope Telltale sees this, because if she turns out to be a mean bitch for players who chose Doug, it'll seem out of place, since they may not hold the same image of her as those who chose Carley.
I hope to see her again, but I agree with your analysis on here character. She pretty much ONLY cares about Larry. Then again, that means that when you lose someone like that, you go nuts. Kenny almost did, and Lee's interactions with him (and the fact that there was little for him to be paranoid about) saved him from that fate. I guess I just feel that there's a bunch of hate thrown on Lily that I don't understand, probably because my experience with her as a character was different because of my choices.
Trying to justify Lilly's actions on the fact she was in a delicate mental state, she had just lost her dad and booh booh in just sad and wr… moreong
Everyone in the walking dead is constantly in a delicate mental state, everyone has seen friends and relatives die. I.e. Carley saw her friend from tv being eaten alive in front of her. Lee saw his brother turned into a zombie and had to kill him again. Clementine saw her babysitter turned into a monster and Shawn being eaten alive.
All Lilly really cared about was her father. If she had to choose between saving her father and let the whole group die or leave her father and save the others, she would've saved Larry without a doubt.
Given this point, i actually hope not to see her again. As i said in another thread, It's ok to let a charachter return, but if all surviving charachters from season 1 start coming back, things would get cheesy really fast, even by the fact that Clem is now in Nort… [view original content]
What exactly does "importance" have to do with anything, though? A lot of people love Kenny more than they love Lee, despite Lee being the more "important" character. Nate is of little to no importance to the grand story, but he's clearly deeply loved by a lot of people (and yes, I know I bring him up a lot, but the love for the guy and sometimes outright defending of his evil actions is just baffling to me). How much weight a character has in the story really doesn't impact character preference at all, or else side characters would always be second to the main character as far as fandom love goes, and that's just not the case.
Simple answer, Kenny is more important than Lilly. This is a fact that you actually can not deny as in the "Making of" video, they say that … moreKenny was the third most important character next to Lee and Clementine. Also, most people found Lilly to be an unpleasant, negative person. Kenny was supposed to be more likeable.
So basically... Kenny was just supposed to be more likeable and important than Lilly. ._.
He killed Larry and he always made Clementine scared and Clementine witnessed Larry's death! When did he ever do good? If he comes back this season then he will probably be MORE messed up!
All joking aside, Lilly was the reason your group didn't starve to death for the first few episodes. I'm in Kenny's camp but even I can admit this.
Well between these two, I like Kenny and Lilly equally: 50:50. They are both very different but right now Kenny has one thing going on for him, one very important thing - I CAN TRUST HIM. If Lilly would show up, I'm not sure I would be able to trust her right away even if she would have been less of and A-hole than Kenny.
PS: We all know that be able to TRUST someone in TWD world is the most important thing.
Why do you guys not want Lilly back so much? Seriously whats up with all the hate? Obviously you do not see characters as Lilly fans do. As … moreUndeadEuan said... Lilly killed Carley out of anger. Lee killed the senator out of anger. I know killing Carley/Doug sucked but this is the walking dead. People die. And for some reason when your watching Jolene's video and Clementine is playing with chalk on the sidewalk. Lilly goes up to Clementine kneels down and talks to her. That may not mean much but it means a lot to me. She lost it a little but seriously. How would you feel if a person you hated dropped a salt lick on one of your parents heads. That's really brutal if you ask me.
Kenny scared Clementine even more. He drops a salt lick on a mans head right in front of her. He swears all the time in front of her. He runs away with Duck leaving Shawn to die. He becomes a hard man who's only goal is a boat. He takes the food in the car when Lilly a… [view original content]
I'm tired of you guys hating on Lilly on every single threads.
Plus when us Lilly fans dare respond to you we're called out on that. That's just becoming old ... I mean ... We're not always on you talking trash about Kenny and God knows how bad of a person he is.
Well, Clem blames Lily for shooting Carley for "No reason", because she didn't know about anyone stealing the food. So she does think LIly's a heartless woman who just straight out murdered Carley, but she had a reason to do it. But Clem has yet to realize it. So I agree. I want to see a satisfactory ending (or beginning) to Lily's story.
Seriously? Clem will be "messed up" just by seeing Lilly? She seemed pretty fine talking about her with Alvin. I think far worse things coul… mored happen to Clem.
As for people wanted her back, its simple really, she was a really interesting and likeable character. Throughout season 1 I liked her more because I could totally see where she was coming from and agreed with most of her decisions. She killed Doug/Carley out of anger and it was a weak point for the character, I want to see her redeem herself. That was a huge moment of the season. Her story is far from over and that's why we want her back.
So we can tie her to a stake with barbed wire, cut her eyes out, pour gasoline in the sockets and set her on fire. After that her putrid sou… morel can join her father's in Hell for eternity.
Why else would we want that worthless piece of human garbage to come back?
In E2 I believe Mark asks. "You got your gun?" Carley replies "Always bring it with me" I thought she would have her gun. Lilly was pointing at anyone either until the last second.
Well she was in a tight spot. She didn't want to be in a group where everyone knows you killed one of them. She couldn't handle the situation and left without thinking. But it as MY decision. I chose to let her stay. And I will live with the consequences. If she takes off in the RV that is my fault like Lee said "Bringing her was my call, its on me"
Swearing doesn't deserve a death sentence your right. But Lilly was really pissed. Her dream of staying at the motor inn was ruined and she blamed it on Carley. She hated Carley the most and took all her anger out on her.
No I meant in the group. EG. She would hug Glenn, Katjaa, Doug, Carley, etc if they return.
Lilly was a murderer but around the end where she left. So in E1 E2 she was no murderer and I was her friend. Only in the short time of 5 minutes she was a killer and we weren't really friends because we didn't talk much.
I'm pretty sure Kenny swears the most. He has lived the 2nd longest and has usually been with Clementine all season 1.
Why would she walk? They would catch her. The RV is a good escape but leaves the group without transportation. I blame Kenny for leaving the keys in there..
Well its okay I'm just saying.. Look at savannah and tell me boats were a good plan. Seriously it got people killed. It was a good plan at the time.. But wouldn't they go to Fort Lauderdale? That's where Kenny's boat is so why go to Savannah?.
Stranger is a sad sad man...
Well we'll never know since she was never there.
No but that was because there was a bunch of walkers roaming around the mansion.
That's a lot of ha's . Well anyway. I could have died four times and Kenny decided not to help me and if I die then its fine. He was sure by my side. I would be dead in game because holding 5 walkers on a door and escaping is unrealistic. Sure Kenny was by my side but he didn't do shit. Lilly fans hate Carley? Damn man. I love all characters. I have feelings too I was pissed when she shot Carley but the important part is I forgive her. She ratted us out to protect herself. She was trying to make a point that she was trying to protect the group.
Because I like all characters especially the... different ones. Larry was not a bad guy. Wouldn't they bring the meds? If not then Lilly can just keep him calm while he sits down like in the drugstore?
Lilly takes after Larry. She inherits his anger issues. Plus no one stepped up to be leader so she has to deal with most of stuff and is probably the most paranoid and stressed out. Lee almost died in the pharmacy because of Larry. Lilly cannot handle these situations like Lee can. She was trying to protect the group. She was trying to kill the betrayer for the good of the group. She failed miserably but that was because Carley was going off on her and Lilly was pissed.
Are you sure Carley was unarmed? She usually carries her gun with her everywhere. She did nothing? Daamn man go play that scene again becaus… moree Carley really told Lilly off and I would be pissed as Lilly was.
Was Carley holding a gun or pointing it at anyone? No. And yeah, she did nothing not unless you count telling people off as a sign of danger which is nonsense. You're telling me to play that scene? Why do you think Carley told Lilly off? So Carley had no right to defend herself?
Leaving Clem behind. PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES. Jesus all you people complain about bitches, killers, idiots, dumb asses. Well guess what. Humans actually make mistakes. We learn from those mistakes. Some make more than others. Some don't learn and some will learn later than others.
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Well in terms of Kenny being more important, we've known him for longer, and also Lilly was written as a generally unpleasant person. Kenny was, I believe, meant to be more likeable.
What exactly does "importance" have to do with anything, though? A lot of people love Kenny more than they love Lee, despite Lee being the m… moreore "important" character. Nate is of little to no importance to the grand story, but he's clearly deeply loved by a lot of people (and yes, I know I bring him up a lot, but the love for the guy and sometimes outright defending of his evil actions is just baffling to me). How much weight a character has in the story really doesn't impact character preference at all, or else side characters would always be second to the main character as far as fandom love goes, and that's just not the case.
Wow thank you and Deceptio for agreeing with me! The Kenny fans do however have some very valid points and honestly Lilly was probably supposed to be hated but I try to see the good side.
I don't think anybody was supposed to be hated (except the obvious villains ofcourse). Telltale gave everybody (good) reasons for their actions.
Unfortunately for Lilly Larry was such an asshole that it's hard to imagine why Lilly lost it after he died. Had he been a nice guy I think more people would have been sympathetic towards Lilly.
Wow thank you and Deceptio for agreeing with me! The Kenny fans do however have some very valid points and honestly Lilly was probably supposed to be hated but I try to see the good side.
I wanted her back because she was the only one with some common sense in that group. I never understood why Kenny and Lee wanted to venture to Savannah. Near the end Of S1.Ep1. Glenn is in the car and the National Guard is saying the Catastrophe levels of all major Georgia cities, and Savannah is at a level 9. Why would anyone with a brain want to venture toward the shit storm is beyond me. Also, they really thought they would find a boat in the harbor 4 month after the world went to shit.
Now that's something i agree with. I hate that bitch, but i do want her back (in a way), because her character hasn't really been fully explored. Who knows maybe that back-stabbing, selfish, heartless bitch from season one has been moulded (moulded?) after having time to herself to think, into a lovable character.......i highly doubt it, but hay-ho you never know. Also now kenny is returned it would be interesting to see how those two get along now after 2 years.
I simply didn't like Lily, although I can see why some people may have an opposite opinion. I also think that anyone in her position anyone would have acted the exact same way. You could tell she was trying her hardest, but it wasn't good enough. She worried about everyone else too much. I think she was just neglecting to think about herself which drove her to insanity.
If Lily came back, she'd still be insane. She shot a human being in front of the whole group (who was a valuable member of her own group). If I saw her again after she also stole her own group's RV (currently the group's only functioning means of transportation), I wouldn't think twice before I gunned her down.
I wanted her back because she was the only one with some common sense in that group. I never understood why Kenny and Lee wanted to venture … moreto Savannah. Near the end Of S1.Ep1. Glenn is in the car and the National Guard is saying the Catastrophe levels of all major Georgia cities, and Savannah is at a level 9. Why would anyone with a brain want to venture toward the shit storm is beyond me. Also, they really thought they would find a boat in the harbor 4 month after the world went to shit.
Nope. I like them both equally, but I wouldn't consider myself really a fan of either. Right now I prefer Kenny because he's had some interesting development.
One thing I really don't like though are fans who refuse to see the bad side of their respective favorite characters. You can acknowledge a character's flaws while still being a fan of them. Kenny is stubborn, ornery, a prick if you don't side with him, and brash. On the opposite side of the coin, he's loyal, puts his family above all else, sticks up for his friends, and is dependable. Same thing goes for avid haters of characters who only see their bad side.
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Been protecting Lilly all day.. Well here goes.
Are you sure Carley was unarmed? She usually carries her gun with her everywhere. She did nothing? Daamn man go play that scene again because Carley really told Lilly off and I would be pissed as Lilly was.
Leaving Clem behind. PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES. Jesus all you people complain about bitches, killers, idiots, dumb asses. Well guess what. Humans actually make mistakes. We learn from those mistakes. Some make more than others. Some don't learn and some will learn later than others.
Again. None of the TWD characters have had a huge ass brick thing dropped on a parent who is the only thing the person cares about. Carley insults Lilly calling her a scared little bitch. You call that nothing? Swearing in my book is pretty hurtful.
When seeing Kenny. Yes because you wouldn't hug a guy you haven't seen in years. He was in her group. Doesn't matter what he did but that he was there. Seeing someone familiar after years isn't scary even if they did horrible stuff.
Okay, So in an apocalypse. One of your group members is a convicted killer. Lets all be friends!!! I love murderers! Larry wants to give murderers his charm!
Well it seems to me that Kenny swears the most.
Again with the RV. People make mistakes. She probably figured they would use the train and if not then... walk.
Yes but a boat? Don't you think other people had the same idea?
The car situation was definitely the Stranger's fault...
Yes but when you return she is concerned. Kenny says something like "We could have left her" and Lilly responds "And let her suffer?" like she disagreed with Kenny. Obviously she said that were not responsible for survivors thing. But this was a different scenario. The girl was bit and shes not much of a survivor in my eyes.
Yes but Kenny was eager to go looking for a boat, with or without Omid.
Stuck with me to the end? HAHA hilarious my friend. Stuck by my side no matter what decisions? That is a good one. I tried to save Larry and guess what? When Danny attacked me he watched, when the door fell on me in the pharmacy he watched, when a pilot zombie attacked me he watched, when I went to look for Clem he stayed behind. Lilly saved me from Danny and Andy(my play through) Stuck by your side no matter what decision my ass. In my playthrough the only one Lilly trusted was me. I bet you played pro-kenny...
And killing Larry was necessary? I could have saved him. His mouth moved. The LEAST Kenny could have done was hold the salt lick over his head and if he reanimated then drop it.
Lilly killed Carley because she insulted her. She went off on her. That is the thing about this game. Everyone is different and unique in their own way. But I am sick and tired of people calling Lilly, Bonnie, Dee, etc bitches. I find that is a strong word and it is just so insulting. And then they go out of their way to say I hope that bitch burns in hell like what the f***! That's just cruel...
I only want want Lilly to return , so i can kill her myself , or take the option of not saving her , if the option ever happens.
Wow 13 likes?... So are those Lilly fans? I thought Lilly fans died...
Edit: My supporting posts are down voted yet my main is up voted... So not Lilly fans then what?
Edit 2: When I do Lilly posts and say come on down votes, I get up votes. I guess the trolls pay attention!
Was Carley holding a gun or pointing it at anyone? No. And yeah, she did nothing not unless you count telling people off as a sign of danger which is nonsense. You're telling me to play that scene? Why do you think Carley told Lilly off? So Carley had no right to defend herself?
She left a little girl for dead, that's no mistake, that's just cowardly and heartless not to mention she didn't have the look of guilt when she was stealing it, she knew what she was doing. You were criticizing Kenny earlier when he did the same with Shawn Greene even though he was trying to get his son to safety and showed remorse yet you you're not giving him the benefit of the doubt as you're doing with Lilly. Oh the Irony!
You must not read the comics if you think that's bad. And yes, I call that nothing and Carley never called her a scared little bitch, she called her a scared little girl and if Lilly wants to act like a bitch then she gets called one. In your book, does swearing get you the death sentence?
That makes no sense. So she would hug The Stranger or the St Johns because they are familiar faces?
What if I told you if Lee killed the Senator because the Senator called him a bitch, would that make things better?
In all seriousness, isn't that what you're doing with Lilly, "Let's all be friends with the murderers hallelujah".
Larry is the one that swears the most.
That's real constructive. Why couldn't the lazy bitch walk?
They were out in a middle of the road, they had no where else to go so the boat idea seemed good at the time.
That's something we both can agree on.
She always disagrees with Kenny. Don't you remember that she was willing to let Lee, Clem, Kenny, Katjaa & Duck suffer and expect Lee, Mark & Kenny to do the same with Ben? Lilly didn't know she was bitten before questioning Kenny & Lee on their decision to let her suffer. Besides, she wouldn't waste a bullet for living healthy survivors so why would she waste a bullet on bitten infected survivors.
Did he actually leave him behind?
I'm curious, in your playthrough, did Kenny take the boat and run? Nope, I don't think he did. Where was Lilly again? oh that's right, she ditched your ass and is cruising in the RV, yeah she really trusted you didn't she, I thought you two were the best of friends HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Maybe you should play the game with different choices, you'll I notice that Kenny has more positives than negatives while Lilly had only negatives. The bitch didn't give a fuck that her dad tried to kill me and expected me to favors for him, never listened to anybody, killed a close friend(Though I suspect you may have egged Lilly on when she was pointing fingers instead of telling her to keep calm because most Lilly fans have a heavy hatred for Carley) and didn't give a shit, ratted me out as a killer, leaves you for dead and she does this no matter what choices you make with her. I'm sure you got these results even when you played Pro-Lilly.
There was no saving him without the meds he needs, remember Episode 1. Besides, if killing Larry isn't necessary, was killing Carley necessary? because you seem to be more furious with Larry's death than you are with Carley's.
So by your logic, if a guy gets up in my face and starts giving me a hard time and I call him a dickhead which pisses him off and stabs me, is it my fault that I got stabbed because some asshole couldn't handle the dirt he was dishing out to me? That's because Lilly is one. She committed an evil act as well having a bitchy attitude. Insulting to who? It's not like your calling all women that word only to the person you directed it at. So wanting a murderer dead is cruel now but her killing an innocent person isn't?
Um, not quite that simple. Lilly killed someone because she was steadfastly sure that it had to be Ben (and she was right) and/or Carley who were the thieves and traitors to the group. And then Carley openly insulted her and mocked her (and she deserved it, I grant you), but it was an insult coming from someone she already strongly suspected of being involved in the plot to kill everybody. That significantly draws out more rage than a simple insult.
You also can't make light of the rationing decisions. That's about as hard a job as it can get in this life, especially since Lilly felt like everyone was resenting her for a job that nobody wanted to do. That's actually a very decent point she made. That said, I don't know about "tough" decisions, but she handled the food, and also scheduled gun training for the group to help them defend themselves with firearms. She was a good leader when she had to be, but then started to lose it after Larry's death.
Nah, I think she can be fairly likable based on her better moments. I never thought she was particularly unpleasant to you when you agree with her. I mean, seriously, if people can say Nate is likable, or Merle or even the goddamn Governor from the TV show, there's nothing wrong with saying Lilly was likable, lol.
For me, it was her moments of leadership that were alluded to, her kindness towards Lee when you agreed, her badass moments like taking out Danny, shooting Andy, and immediately jumping out the window to get the drop on the bandits who almost killed everybody. I have my issues with Kenny these days, but I also say he's a very likable guy when you're on his good side.
I have to know why people are justifying Lee's killing of the senator. I know y'all start off with "I'm not trying to justify it" but then you proceed to do just that. Murdering someone because they are having sex is bullshit. "But it's his wife!" A) She's not his property,
Adultery is not a capital offense.
Kenny and Lilly both murdered someone in a crime of passion shortly following several extremely distressing events. Kenny murdered Larry while he was panicking about his wife and son being eaten by cannibals. Lilly murdered Carley while she was freaking out about watching her dad's head getting turned into Ragu in front of her, finding out that her home was being betrayed from the inside, having her home be overrun, and then having someone give her even more shit. Carley's behavior was especially galling given that she and Ben did not suffer any of the crap the other players did at St. Johns. This doesn't excuse her murder, but it has to be mentioned that her behavior only made a volatile situation worse.
Kenny and Lilly are very similar people, though Kenny cares about individuals over the group and Lilly cares about the group over individuals (though she has a soft spot for kids, apparently). Both are hard-headed, rash, impulsive people who make huge mistakes in the heat of the moment and then try to justify it to themselves. Dunno why people act like they're so different from each other when they're so obviously mirrors of each other.
I don't know if I want Lilly to return, but I do think there is some good that could be done with her presence. It would give Clem and chance to confront her about what she did to Carley/Doug. Killing her would be cathartic, yes, but I don't know if that would add anything to the story.
So we can tie her to a stake with barbed wire, cut her eyes out, pour gasoline in the sockets and set her on fire. After that her putrid soul can join her father's in Hell for eternity.
Why else would we want that worthless piece of human garbage to come back?
You got problems, son.
~I got 99, but Lilly ain't one~
the only reason I would want her back is so that I can kill her and get the option to say this is for carley/doug bitch!
Jesus Christ, dude! TLDR!
She was one of the more in-depth group members of the first season and one of the few to leave with an open-ended story.
Whether or not you liked the things she did, I think there's strong potential for the character arc left to explore.
I agree man. In fact, I ended up siding with Lilly more than Kenny in season 1. She always had good points when it came to her arguments between Kenny. I was sure that the ITYWD person was gonna be Lilly, I was even preparing for it. Then I saw Kenny (which I was still EXTREMELY happy over), but I was kind of surprised that it wasn't Lilly. Either way. I'm sure Lilly will return later in season 2. Telltale makes sure we don't know if people actually dead for a reason. Just like the #1 rule in The Walking Dead, no one is ever confirmed dead unless you see a body.
(Sorry if there were a lot of typos or mistakes, I'm on my Kindle Fire at the moment).
Lilly is pretty much one of the only characters from season one whom's fate was left ambiguous, so now that we have Kenny's fate explored, how about Lilly's?
I guess a lot of the dislike with Lily is due to Carley. I had chosen Doug in my first playthrough, and Lily's character seems so much more different just because of that. In the Carley case, she just up and shot her in the face out of nowhere. In Doug's case, she was going to shoot Ben (and she was right about his actions, maybe not what he deserved) and Doug went all BAMF hero mode and took the bullet. In this scenario, Lily is devastated, completely remorseful of what she did, and I see the sign of her shutting up as a "ohgodwhathaveIdone" thing. In Carley's scenario, Lily just seems to be "she deserved it", making her seem much more cold and bitchy. I'd wager that this is an important point here, since depending on the survivor, Lily appears as a completely different person by the end.
If Lily does make it back, I hope Telltale sees this, because if she turns out to be a mean bitch for players who chose Doug, it'll seem out of place, since they may not hold the same image of her as those who chose Carley.
I hope to see her again, but I agree with your analysis on here character. She pretty much ONLY cares about Larry. Then again, that means that when you lose someone like that, you go nuts. Kenny almost did, and Lee's interactions with him (and the fact that there was little for him to be paranoid about) saved him from that fate. I guess I just feel that there's a bunch of hate thrown on Lily that I don't understand, probably because my experience with her as a character was different because of my choices.
What exactly does "importance" have to do with anything, though? A lot of people love Kenny more than they love Lee, despite Lee being the more "important" character. Nate is of little to no importance to the grand story, but he's clearly deeply loved by a lot of people (and yes, I know I bring him up a lot, but the love for the guy and sometimes outright defending of his evil actions is just baffling to me). How much weight a character has in the story really doesn't impact character preference at all, or else side characters would always be second to the main character as far as fandom love goes, and that's just not the case.
Why do you guys want Kenny back so much?!
He killed Larry and he always made Clementine scared and Clementine witnessed Larry's death! When did he ever do good? If he comes back this season then he will probably be MORE messed up!
All joking aside, Lilly was the reason your group didn't starve to death for the first few episodes. I'm in Kenny's camp but even I can admit this.
so kenny and clem can kick her ass
Well between these two, I like Kenny and Lilly equally: 50:50. They are both very different but right now Kenny has one thing going on for him, one very important thing - I CAN TRUST HIM. If Lilly would show up, I'm not sure I would be able to trust her right away even if she would have been less of and A-hole than Kenny.
PS: We all know that be able to TRUST someone in TWD world is the most important thing.
Thanks ! Thanks a lot ! You said what I wasnt able to say.
I love you for that
I'm tired of you guys hating on Lilly on every single threads.
Plus when us Lilly fans dare respond to you we're called out on that. That's just becoming old ... I mean ... We're not always on you talking trash about Kenny and God knows how bad of a person he is.
Well, Clem blames Lily for shooting Carley for "No reason", because she didn't know about anyone stealing the food. So she does think LIly's a heartless woman who just straight out murdered Carley, but she had a reason to do it. But Clem has yet to realize it. So I agree. I want to see a satisfactory ending (or beginning) to Lily's story.
Lemoncakes what an absolutely disgusting thing to say about anything, real or fake.
The interaction between her and Clem+Kenny would be very interesting.
And because she i such a badass and would fuck people up.
In E2 I believe Mark asks. "You got your gun?" Carley replies "Always bring it with me" I thought she would have her gun. Lilly was pointing at anyone either until the last second.
Well she was in a tight spot. She didn't want to be in a group where everyone knows you killed one of them. She couldn't handle the situation and left without thinking. But it as MY decision. I chose to let her stay. And I will live with the consequences. If she takes off in the RV that is my fault like Lee said "Bringing her was my call, its on me"
Swearing doesn't deserve a death sentence your right. But Lilly was really pissed. Her dream of staying at the motor inn was ruined and she blamed it on Carley. She hated Carley the most and took all her anger out on her.
No I meant in the group. EG. She would hug Glenn, Katjaa, Doug, Carley, etc if they return.
Lilly was a murderer but around the end where she left. So in E1 E2 she was no murderer and I was her friend. Only in the short time of 5 minutes she was a killer and we weren't really friends because we didn't talk much.
I'm pretty sure Kenny swears the most. He has lived the 2nd longest and has usually been with Clementine all season 1.
Why would she walk? They would catch her. The RV is a good escape but leaves the group without transportation. I blame Kenny for leaving the keys in there..
Well its okay I'm just saying.. Look at savannah and tell me boats were a good plan. Seriously it got people killed. It was a good plan at the time.. But wouldn't they go to Fort Lauderdale? That's where Kenny's boat is so why go to Savannah?.
Stranger is a sad sad man...
Well we'll never know since she was never there.
No but that was because there was a bunch of walkers roaming around the mansion.
That's a lot of ha's
. Well anyway. I could have died four times and Kenny decided not to help me and if I die then its fine. He was sure by my side. I would be dead in game because holding 5 walkers on a door and escaping is unrealistic. Sure Kenny was by my side but he didn't do shit. Lilly fans hate Carley? Damn man. I love all characters. I have feelings too I was pissed when she shot Carley but the important part is I forgive her. She ratted us out to protect herself. She was trying to make a point that she was trying to protect the group.
Because I like all characters especially the... different ones. Larry was not a bad guy. Wouldn't they bring the meds? If not then Lilly can just keep him calm while he sits down like in the drugstore?
Lilly takes after Larry. She inherits his anger issues. Plus no one stepped up to be leader so she has to deal with most of stuff and is probably the most paranoid and stressed out. Lee almost died in the pharmacy because of Larry. Lilly cannot handle these situations like Lee can. She was trying to protect the group. She was trying to kill the betrayer for the good of the group. She failed miserably but that was because Carley was going off on her and Lilly was pissed.
Well in terms of Kenny being more important, we've known him for longer, and also Lilly was written as a generally unpleasant person. Kenny was, I believe, meant to be more likeable.
The only way i would be ok with her return if she dies 10 seconds later.
Wow thank you and Deceptio for agreeing with me! The Kenny fans do however have some very valid points and honestly Lilly was probably supposed to be hated but I try to see the good side.
I don't think anybody was supposed to be hated (except the obvious villains ofcourse). Telltale gave everybody (good) reasons for their actions.
Unfortunately for Lilly Larry was such an asshole that it's hard to imagine why Lilly lost it after he died. Had he been a nice guy I think more people would have been sympathetic towards Lilly.
I wanted her back because she was the only one with some common sense in that group. I never understood why Kenny and Lee wanted to venture to Savannah. Near the end Of S1.Ep1. Glenn is in the car and the National Guard is saying the Catastrophe levels of all major Georgia cities, and Savannah is at a level 9. Why would anyone with a brain want to venture toward the shit storm is beyond me. Also, they really thought they would find a boat in the harbor 4 month after the world went to shit.
Now that's something i agree with. I hate that bitch, but i do want her back (in a way), because her character hasn't really been fully explored. Who knows maybe that back-stabbing, selfish, heartless bitch from season one has been moulded (moulded?) after having time to herself to think, into a lovable character.......i highly doubt it, but hay-ho you never know. Also now kenny is returned it would be interesting to see how those two get along now after 2 years.
Am I the only person here who not a Lily fan OR a Kenny fan?
I simply didn't like Lily, although I can see why some people may have an opposite opinion. I also think that anyone in her position anyone would have acted the exact same way. You could tell she was trying her hardest, but it wasn't good enough. She worried about everyone else too much. I think she was just neglecting to think about herself which drove her to insanity.
Nope, I partially agree. I liked Kenny, but he and Lily are both really stubborn characters.
If Lily came back, she'd still be insane. She shot a human being in front of the whole group (who was a valuable member of her own group). If I saw her again after she also stole her own group's RV (currently the group's only functioning means of transportation), I wouldn't think twice before I gunned her down.
We already did! Kenny!
Nope. I like them both equally, but I wouldn't consider myself really a fan of either. Right now I prefer Kenny because he's had some interesting development.
One thing I really don't like though are fans who refuse to see the bad side of their respective favorite characters. You can acknowledge a character's flaws while still being a fan of them. Kenny is stubborn, ornery, a prick if you don't side with him, and brash. On the opposite side of the coin, he's loyal, puts his family above all else, sticks up for his friends, and is dependable. Same thing goes for avid haters of characters who only see their bad side.