She was supposed to be Lilly Caul, but then Kirkman messed it up. That was her role. The fact is it said at the end of S1:
"She was never seen again."
I had no problem with Lilly, i just think Kenny was right. With the exception of Larry, he could've been saved. I don't mind her coming back. But everyone can admit:
Nothing happens if you side with Lilly. Nothing. No matter what, you kick her out or she leaves. No matter what.
I honestly think she killed Carley out of jealously because Lee liked Carley. It's a thought.
Nope. I like them both equally, but I wouldn't consider myself really a fan of either. Right now I prefer Kenny because he's had some intere… moresting development.
One thing I really don't like though are fans who refuse to see the bad side of their respective favorite characters. You can acknowledge a character's flaws while still being a fan of them. Kenny is stubborn, ornery, a prick if you don't side with him, and brash. On the opposite side of the coin, he's loyal, puts his family above all else, sticks up for his friends, and is dependable. Same thing goes for avid haters of characters who only see their bad side.
She was supposed to be Lilly Caul, but then Kirkman messed it up. That was her role. The fact is it said at the end of S1:
"She was never… more seen again."
I had no problem with Lilly, i just think Kenny was right. With the exception of Larry, he could've been saved. I don't mind her coming back. But everyone can admit:
Nothing happens if you side with Lilly. Nothing. No matter what, you kick her out or she leaves. No matter what.
I honestly think she killed Carley out of jealously because Lee liked Carley. It's a thought.
Another option could be to tie Lilly's wrists and ankles together in one binding, then attach it with a chain to one of the blades of that wind turbine. If there's enough slack on the chain she'll repeatedly smash and scrape her tailbone on each rotation and slowly be mashed into a pulp.
If at any time her head comes free due to her hitting the ground at a weird angle it would be unfortunate that her agonizing death wouldn't be prolonged, yes, but on the bright side you could use her severed head and its frozen expression of pain and horror as a festive third choice for the Christmas Tree topping.
I have to know why people are justifying Lee's killing of the senator. I know y'all start off with "I'm not trying to justify it" but then y… moreou proceed to do just that. Murdering someone because they are having sex is bullshit. "But it's his wife!" A) She's not his property, Adultery is not a capital offense.
Kenny and Lilly both murdered someone in a crime of passion shortly following several extremely distressing events. Kenny murdered Larry while he was panicking about his wife and son being eaten by cannibals. Lilly murdered Carley while she was freaking out about watching her dad's head getting turned into Ragu in front of her, finding out that her home was being betrayed from the inside, having her home be overrun, and then having someone give her even more shit. Carley's behavior was especially galling given that she and Ben did not suffer any of the crap the other players did at St. Johns. This doesn't excuse her murder, but it has… [view original content]
Another option could be to tie Lilly's wrists and ankles together in one binding, then attach it with a chain to one of the blades of that w… moreind turbine. If there's enough slack on the chain she'll repeatedly smash and scrape her tailbone on each rotation and slowly be mashed into a pulp.
If at any time her head comes free due to her hitting the ground at a weird angle it would be unfortunate that her agonizing death wouldn't be prolonged, yes, but on the bright side you could use her severed head and its frozen expression of pain and horror as a festive third choice for the Christmas Tree topping.
In E2 I believe Mark asks. "You got your gun?" Carley replies "Always bring it with me" I thought she would have her gun. Lilly was pointing at anyone either until the last second.
But the point is. Carley was not threatening anyone with it so or using it at the time so there was no need to shoot her.
Well she was in a tight spot. She didn't want to be in a group where everyone knows you killed one of them. She couldn't handle the situation and left without thinking. But it as MY decision. I chose to let her stay. And I will live with the consequences. If she takes off in the RV that is my fault like Lee said "Bringing her was my call, its on me"
Still doesn't take away the fact that she betrays your trust and selfishly leaves everyone for dead.
Swearing doesn't deserve a death sentence your right. But Lilly was really pissed. Her dream of staying at the motor inn was ruined and she blamed it on Carley. She hated Carley the most and took all her anger out on her.
There you go then. She's a cowardly bully that takes her anger out on others yet you seem to think this is no big deal.
No I meant in the group. EG. She would hug Glenn, Katjaa, Doug, Carley, etc if they return.
So she would hug friends. Why would she hug someone that killed one of her friends and betrayed her guardian?
Lilly was a murderer but around the end where she left. So in E1 E2 she was no murderer and I was her friend. Only in the short time of 5 minutes she was a killer and we weren't really friends because we didn't talk much.
But you were on good terms with her but she didn't seem to acknowledge this, so she threw all that friendship you had with her out the window once she killed an innocent person. That tells you a lot about her doesn't it.
I'm pretty sure Kenny swears the most. He has lived the 2nd longest and has usually been with Clementine all season 1.
OK even so, how does this make him bad?
Why would she walk? They would catch her. The RV is a good escape but leaves the group without transportation. I blame Kenny for leaving the keys in there..
Kenny and the others wanted to ditch her after what she did so why would they waste their time hunting her down if she decided to run off on foot? And yet you still think she cared about the group when she escaped with the only transportation. Yeah blame Kenny, it's not like Lilly knew what she was doing.
Well its okay I'm just saying.. Look at savannah and tell me boats were a good plan. Seriously it got people killed. It was a good plan at the time.. But wouldn't they go to Fort Lauderdale? That's where Kenny's boat is so why go to Savannah?.
They were going to wherever the train took them and I think Lee wanted to go there to look for Clem's parents anyway.
Stranger is a sad sad man...
Just like Lilly. Both blame others for their fuck ups.
Well we'll never know since she was never there.
Come on man, I think you know the answer of what she'll most likely do
No but that was because there was a bunch of walkers roaming around the mansion.
And he decided to let him rest for the day while he went with Lee to look for the boat. And Walkers roamed around the mansion in Episode 5 while Omid rested in Episode 4.
That's a lot of ha's . Well anyway. I could have died four times and Kenny decided not to help me and if I die then its fine. He was sure by my side. I would be dead in game because holding 5 walkers on a door and escaping is unrealistic. Sure Kenny was by my side but he didn't do shit. Lilly fans hate Carley? Damn man. I love all characters. I have feelings too I was pissed when she shot Carley but the important part is I forgive her. She ratted us out to protect herself. She was trying to make a point that she was trying to protect the group.
He only left you once in the Pharmacy, I'm not defending Kenny but Lilly also did the same when she refused to help you against Andy St John. No matter what relationship you had with him, he'll help other members of the group and not threaten others unlike Lilly who only looked out for herself. I didn't say you hate Carley but most Lilly fans do. How can you forgive her for shooting Carley when she herself didn't think she did anything wrong? She ratted you out to take the heat off herself by throwing you under the bus, she tried to drag you down.
Because I like all characters especially the... different ones. Larry was not a bad guy. Wouldn't they bring the meds? If not then Lilly can just keep him calm while he sits down like in the drugstore?
She had a chance to calm him down but instead she was throwing up and he had a heart attack. Lilly should've brought the meds but she's careless. She can keep him calm if she can bring him back to life which was impossible at that point. Not a bad guy? Larry tied to kill you after you save his life.
Lilly takes after Larry. She inherits his anger issues. Plus no one stepped up to be leader so she has to deal with most of stuff and is probably the most paranoid and stressed out. Lee almost died in the pharmacy because of Larry. Lilly cannot handle these situations like Lee can. She was trying to protect the group. She was trying to kill the betrayer for the good of the group. She failed miserably but that was because Carley was going off on her and Lilly was pissed.
How do we know no one wanted to be leader? Was there a voting system? If she can't handle situations like Lee can then maybe she should've stepped down. Trying to kill the betrayer to protect the group? All she did was choose a random person, throw out insults then pulls the trigger. She never cared about the groups interest, only used the traitor excuse because she had a petty grudge against someone who never did anything to her. She would've killed Carley anyway even if she never went off on her, Ben never stood up to her yet she pulled the trigger on him.
In E2 I believe Mark asks. "You got your gun?" Carley replies "Always bring it with me" I thought she would have her gun. Lilly was pointing… more at anyone either until the last second.
Well she was in a tight spot. She didn't want to be in a group where everyone knows you killed one of them. She couldn't handle the situation and left without thinking. But it as MY decision. I chose to let her stay. And I will live with the consequences. If she takes off in the RV that is my fault like Lee said "Bringing her was my call, its on me"
Swearing doesn't deserve a death sentence your right. But Lilly was really pissed. Her dream of staying at the motor inn was ruined and she blamed it on Carley. She hated Carley the most and took all her anger out on her.
No I meant in the group. EG. She would hug Glenn, Katjaa, Doug, Carley, etc if they return.
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Ok look, how about instead we just get an oil drum or a barrel or something like that, line the inside with razor wire, strip Lilly naked and stuff her into it in a fetal position before kicking it down that ski-slope they're at the top of?
By the time it bounces its way to the bottom, hitting a few lift-poles along the way maybe, you'll be left with a delicious shredded meat stew, St. John style. Just need to remove the bones and drain the contents, mix in some peaches and beans and you'll be all set for winter.
Only problem there is if it falls into that river someone downstream gets all the goodies. We also can't use the head as the tree topper, sure, but Lilly's entrails would still have a few intact pieces you could festoon the branches with. We've got 25 feet of intestines in our bodies and, although Lilly isn't technically a human being, it would probably be of a similar length and just as celebratory with their glistening segments draped and dripping by the light of the fireplace.
Yeah I'm not a fan of Lilly either during the game I had mixed feelings about her (Until she murdered Carley then I despised her) our first meeting was essentially her going off at Carley and Glenn for saving our lives but when you spoke to her privately without her pain in the ass father she seemed reasonable and almost likeable but when some one did something she didn't approve like bringing back Ben and his teacher she'd go off at Kenny and Lee ( who where out hunting and providing food to the group not Lilly yes she was responsible for the rationing but to me it seemed Kenny and Lee were responsible for the scavenging) .
As for her mental state being used as an excuse for the shooting of Doug Or Carley well that's no reason, To me everyone would be suffering from some sort of mental stress like Carley listening to her colleagues on the radio get over run and admitted after escaping from the Pharmacy about not sleeping well after what happened to Doug Even Kenny was suffering blaming himself for Shawn on Hershel's farm which you discuss on the train.
Then there's the fact that after being forced from the motel they all would of been scared and stressed out so you can't just say Carley should of kept her mouth shut because not only was she being blamed for something she didn't do which anyone would probably get worked up and angry over but she was as stressed out and exhausted as any one and wouldn't be thinking straight either and would of responded on instinct.
Lilly from the examples I used didn't really seem to be leadership materiel to me a leader is some one who not only can organize but deal well with people Lilly seemed more the pencil pusher type plus her stubbornness to leave the motel in part led to the deaths of Duck and Kat since it was clear the bandits knew they were there and had attacked them until Ben started his little deal with them
As for bringing Lilly back I think she could be a great antagonist for a potential third season as I think all season 1 characters were well written but for this season no I mean we have this new group with Luke and the others plus Carver and his bunch to deal with and think Telltale would be trying to pack too much into this season since they decided bring Kenny back.
She wasn't waving it around but neither was Lilly. Lilly was threatening Ben and Carley yes but later Carley says a bunch of insults to Lilly which Lilly just won't handle and shoots her because she was so mad at the time.
Lilly didn't think that. She says "It won't be easier out on the road!" so I get the feeling she thinks they're all screwed anyway. However stealing the RV was a bad move on her part. Also Kenny states "The radiator is f***ing hosed anyway" so they would still end up on the road in the middle of no where. I think its no big deal because I know other people who do the same and its their way of expressing themselves for bad or for good.
No point talking about the hug if your not convinced Lilly is not so bad,
She was basically a prisoner. If you had killed someone (not saying you would or will) what would you do in her situation? Stay with the group where everyone hates you?
I don't like swearing and now in S2 Clem swears sometimes. She's a little girl and she's swearing. I hardly swore when I was her age and she can swear in S2 like what 5 times? This is just my opinion but seeing a 11 year old girl swear is not cool for me. I know its the zombie apocalypse but I wouldn't swear. But that was how I was raised. Swearing was a no-no but sorry if you disagree with me here.
She was angry. I guess she wasn't thinking about her actions but if she then I blame it on the stress and anger. You probably will say that is no excuse well that's my excuse.
Ah Okay.
Could you tell me what was Lilly's fuck ups and who she blamed it on? Only ones I can think of is stealing the RV. I think shes taking the blame because they all know its her. As for the supply stealing. It was Ben's fault. Lilly blames it on Carley cause she hates her. And she trusts Lee, and Kenny's family because they have kids. But Carley was insulting her while Ben just stood there panicking. Obviously she would kill the one who is calling her names.
If Lilly is such a killer than she would shoot the woman.
When EP4 starts Kenny doesn't really care when Christa says Omid needs to rest. But I'm going to drop this one since Omid got to rest even though Kenny was in a hurry to get a boat.
He also left watched when I was fighting Danny. He didn't help me because I was a dick to him. But I'm confused. In E1 he helps you up and says "I won't let anyone else die today, even if hes an asshole" if you were bad to him. And then In E2 I was an asshole and he watches me getting closer and closer to death. I would help even if the guys and asshole. EX. Larry was kind of an asshole yet I try to save him. Well I am a Lilly fan so I assumed you thought I hated Carley. I forgive her because I understand her pain, anger, sorrow, and mistakes. In my religion we are taught to forgive others and if we do not then no one should forgive us. But Lilly wasn't pure evil. She had a lot of shit racing through her head and as leader she has to deal with most of the problems. She tried to drag me down to save her own skin. She panicked and didn't want to die so she tried to protect herself. And seriously Lee should have told them even if you chose Doug. I would have told them I was a killer. EX. "I don't know who you are or what you did. Lets say things get bad in the cities and they get worse before they do. Your going to have to depend on the honesty of strangers and if those same people get to questioning yours then your going to be in trouble" Hershel approves of honesty.
So? She forgot. I forget things to don't you? BTW that should have been Larry's job since he was the one that needed the meds but everyone was hungry and were only thinking about food. Larry knows your a killer. He can't trust you. Even if you save his life he could still think you were trying to earn trust from the group. He tries to kill you to protect the group even though he doesn't know if you are good or bad. But in the end he couldn't take that kind of risk and decided you had to go. And in my play through he tried to save me so that kind of made up for it.
Because we never saw anyone step up saying I don't want you as leader. No one said they didn't want Lilly as leader except Kenny. Yes she should have stepped down but she was sure that she was running things okay since no one was complaining except Kenny. Nobody takes Kenny's side. Not even his wife! Everyone just stands there and watch them argue. Choose a random person? I disagree. And NO I did not "egg her on" to somebody. I actually tried to take the blame by saying I did it. But Lilly knows man she says "You can be a real piece of shit but you wouldn't do that. Not with her in your life" meaning Clementine. She assumes the same with Kenny, Katjaa, since they have Duck. Carley and Ben are the suspects.Carley is throwing insults at her and Ben is trying to defend himself. She's getting the most heat from Carley and whichever person she kills is 50% chance the killer. She killed Carley out of anger and since she was one of the suspects it would be a win win for Lilly. Never cared about the groups interest? She tries to convince Lee to leave the dairy and take the food to go since the St Johns were suspicious and she was right! If they listened to her then they might have not lost Larry. They would want to bring Mark and then find Mark legless and do whatever they want to the St Johns and leave. Again she was insulting Lilly and was one of the two suspects and since she held a grudge on her it was again a win win situation for Lilly. Now if you save Doug she will shoot Ben because she has nothing against Doug and Ben was panicking.
How do you make those white boxes of my text in them? Does it take long?
In E2 I believe Mark asks. "You got your gun?" Carley replies "Always bring it with me" I thought she would have her gun. Lilly was pointing… more at anyone either until the last second.
But the point is. Carley was not threatening anyone with it so or using it at the time so there was no need to shoot her.
Well she was in a tight spot. She didn't want to be in a group where everyone knows you killed one of them. She couldn't handle the situation and left without thinking. But it as MY decision. I chose to let her stay. And I will live with the consequences. If she takes off in the RV that is my fault like Lee said "Bringing her was my call, its on me"
Still doesn't take away the fact that she betrays your trust and selfishly leaves everyone for dead.
Swearing doesn't deserve a death sentence your right. But Lilly was really pissed. Her dream of staying at the motor inn was ruined and she blamed it on Carley. She hated C… [view original content]
I can't see why the Lilly fans can't tell the difference between:
A. Killing a man for sleeping with your wife.
B. Making sure a DEAD man (yes, he wasn't breathing and had no heart rate) doesn't turn into a walker.
C. Shooting someone in the head because you suspect they MAY have possibly taken some supplies.
There is no way to justify the murder of Carley. If she had shot Ben I may have felt different.
Why do you guys not want Lilly back so much? Seriously whats up with all the hate? Obviously you do not see characters as Lilly fans do. As … moreUndeadEuan said... Lilly killed Carley out of anger. Lee killed the senator out of anger. I know killing Carley/Doug sucked but this is the walking dead. People die. And for some reason when your watching Jolene's video and Clementine is playing with chalk on the sidewalk. Lilly goes up to Clementine kneels down and talks to her. That may not mean much but it means a lot to me. She lost it a little but seriously. How would you feel if a person you hated dropped a salt lick on one of your parents heads. That's really brutal if you ask me.
Kenny scared Clementine even more. He drops a salt lick on a mans head right in front of her. He swears all the time in front of her. He runs away with Duck leaving Shawn to die. He becomes a hard man who's only goal is a boat. He takes the food in the car when Lilly a… [view original content]
Why do you guys not want Lilly back so much? Seriously whats up with all the hate? Obviously you do not see characters as Lilly fans do. As … moreUndeadEuan said... Lilly killed Carley out of anger. Lee killed the senator out of anger. I know killing Carley/Doug sucked but this is the walking dead. People die. And for some reason when your watching Jolene's video and Clementine is playing with chalk on the sidewalk. Lilly goes up to Clementine kneels down and talks to her. That may not mean much but it means a lot to me. She lost it a little but seriously. How would you feel if a person you hated dropped a salt lick on one of your parents heads. That's really brutal if you ask me.
Kenny scared Clementine even more. He drops a salt lick on a mans head right in front of her. He swears all the time in front of her. He runs away with Duck leaving Shawn to die. He becomes a hard man who's only goal is a boat. He takes the food in the car when Lilly a… [view original content]
A) How does an affair justify murder? He was obviously breathing as he was moving to talk and you can't very well talk without being able to breathe. Kenny could have waited to see if he'd turn before dropping the hammer. He did not.
C) There is no justifying her murder, but the theft of the supplies put the group in serious danger. It ended up losing the group its home and getting one member of the group bit. It was extremely serious.
Sometimes I wonder if Lilly knew Duck got bit; she was the lookout and she probably could have seen it happening. But this is idle speculation.
Frankly, there's no justifying any of these. And yet...
I can't see why the Lilly fans can't tell the difference between:
A. Killing a man for sleeping with your wife.
B. Making sure a DEAD ma… moren (yes, he wasn't breathing and had no heart rate) doesn't turn into a walker.
C. Shooting someone in the head because you suspect they MAY have possibly taken some supplies.
There is no way to justify the murder of Carley. If she had shot Ben I may have felt different.
Kenny smashed Larry in front of his daughter, o but hey lets all forgive Kenny. Disagree with Kenny once he goes against you. He only thought about his family. Lily thought about the group. Lily suffered painful decisions, such as rationing the food while Kenny just sat there working on the RV. She killed Carley but Carley was a mirror person to the group who really didn't do much. She did try to figure out how to get to the bottom of it. She witness her only world die in front of her so yes she broke but Carley just carry on rubbing it in her face. However people fell in love with a virtual avatar -.-.
Doug was accidentally killed. She felt horrible after. Ben is the reason why the group pretty much all died. If Ben wasn't stupid and talked to the group no of this shit would have happened.
She wasn't waving it around but neither was Lilly. Lilly was threatening Ben and Carley yes but later Carley says a bunch of insults to Lilly which Lilly just won't handle and shoots her because she was so mad at the time.
Then there's no reason to shoot her now is there. Again, you're acting like it's normal to kill someone over a petty insult that they asked for.
Lilly didn't think that. She says "It won't be easier out on the road!" so I get the feeling she thinks they're all screwed anyway. However stealing the RV was a bad move on her part. Also Kenny states "The radiator is f***ing hosed anyway" so they would still end up on the road in the middle of no where. I think its no big deal because I know other people who do the same and its their way of expressing themselves for bad or for good.
She says it wont be easy but makes it difficult for others by taking the life of a useful group member than leaves them for dead by taking the RV mind you that she didn't know that radiator was busted so for all she knew, she took a perfectly good vehicle and you think it's no big deal that someone leaves a child to die and you know people like that?
No point talking about the hug if your not convinced Lilly is not so bad,
All I'm saying it doesn't make sense for Clem to hug someone as cold and cruel like Lilly.
She was basically a prisoner. If you had killed someone (not saying you would or will) what would you do in her situation? Stay with the group where everyone hates you?
If I was scared out of my life, I would leave but I wouldn't take something that screws the group I apparently care about and put them in danger, I would leave on foot with dignity or I stay and learn my punishment. I'd probably wouldn't blame them if they wanted to execute me because you can't go around and shoot people that defend themselves against bullying.
I don't like swearing and now in S2 Clem swears sometimes. She's a little girl and she's swearing. I hardly swore when I was her age and she can swear in S2 like what 5 times? This is just my opinion but seeing a 11 year old girl swear is not cool for me. I know its the zombie apocalypse but I wouldn't swear. But that was how I was raised. Swearing was a no-no but sorry if you disagree with me here.
I don't like swearing either but still does not warrant a death penalty.
She was angry. I guess she wasn't thinking about her actions but if she then I blame it on the stress and anger. You probably will say that is no excuse well that's my excuse.
She's not the only one going through a crisis in the ZA.
Could you tell me what was Lilly's fuck ups and who she blamed it on? Only ones I can think of is stealing the RV. I think shes taking the blame because they all know its her. As for the supply stealing. It was Ben's fault. Lilly blames it on Carley cause she hates her. And she trusts Lee, and Kenny's family because they have kids.
For one, stupidly putting Ben on watch then saying afterwards she "never" trusted him but yet gave him such an important job, she made the decision to stay at the motel even with the bandit threat lurking in the woods and you may blame Ben for stealing but the supplies were in Lilly's room but an idiot like Ben stole supplies from right under her nose.
But Carley was insulting her while Ben just stood there panicking. Obviously she would kill the one who is calling her names.
Yeah this doesn't help your case when you're trying to prove that Lilly is a good person. You pretty much confirmed that Lilly is a loose canon that needs to be put down because she feels that she has the right to kill people over mindless name calling!
If Lilly is such a killer than she would shoot the woman.
Think about it man. Back in Episode 1, she had no problem leaving Lee, Kenny, Clem, Katjaa & Duck out in the streets to be devoured and then going off on Carley & Glenn for saving them. And she went off on Lee, Kenny & Mark for saving Ben as she expected them to leave him in Episode 2. So I ask you, a Lilly fan, would she do anything to save that poor woman or even use a bullet to put her out of her misery? even though she couldn't use any bullets to help Lee, Clem, Kenny, Katjaa & Duck.
He also left watched when I was fighting Danny. He didn't help me because I was a dick to him. But I'm confused. In E1 he helps you up and says "I won't let anyone else die today, even if hes an asshole" if you were bad to him. And then In E2 I was an asshole and he watches me getting closer and closer to death. I would help even if the guys and asshole. EX. Larry was kind of an asshole yet I try to save him. Well I am a Lilly fan so I assumed you thought I hated Carley. I forgive her because I understand her pain, anger, sorrow, and mistakes. In my religion we are taught to forgive others and if we do not then no one should forgive us. But Lilly wasn't pure evil. She had a lot of shit racing through her head and as leader she has to deal with most of the problems. She tried to drag me down to save her own skin. She panicked and didn't want to die so she tried to protect herself. And seriously Lee should have told them even if you chose Doug. I would have told them I was a killer. EX. "I don't know who you are or what you did. Lets say things get bad in the cities and they get worse before they do. Your going to have to depend on the honesty of strangers and if those same people get to questioning yours then your going to be in trouble" Hershel approves of honesty.
He said he wont let anyone die "today". And what do you mean Larry was kind of an Asshole? That son of a bitch tried to murder Lee. You're one of the few Lilly fans that don't hate Carley but that's good to know you don't hate her just because Lilly does as most Lilly fans hate her for some odd known reason. You're talking about forgiveness but how can you forgive someone who thinks they did nothing wrong and took away the life of someone as kind as Carley and wasn't even sorry for it? I'll name another leader who went through things much worse than Lilly and still had ti deal with problems, his name is Rick Grimes. She tried to drag you down to save her own skin so what does that tell you about her? a true friend would never do that and she knew she wasn't gonna die because they made no mention of executing her. The thing is, Doug didn't know Lee was a killer so Lee put that past behind, I think they wanted to give both Doug & Carley different outcomes for Lee when you choose one of them so that they're not the same.
So? She forgot. I forget things to don't you? BTW that should have been Larry's job since he was the one that needed the meds but everyone was hungry and were only thinking about food. Larry knows your a killer. He can't trust you. Even if you save his life he could still think you were trying to earn trust from the group. He tries to kill you to protect the group even though he doesn't know if you are good or bad. But in the end he couldn't take that kind of risk and decided you had to go. And in my play through he tried to save me so that kind of made up for it.
If your father has a severe medical problems, you shouldn't forget about things like these especially since he goes off on people once in a while. It's not the responsibility of others, they give a shit about a prick like him, your all he's got. And how did he try to save you? The Axe thing, of course he's not gonna let you die in front of all those people.
Because we never saw anyone step up saying I don't want you as leader. No one said they didn't want Lilly as leader except Kenny. Yes she should have stepped down but she was sure that she was running things okay since no one was complaining except Kenny. Nobody takes Kenny's side. Not even his wife! Everyone just stands there and watch them argue. Choose a random person? I disagree. And NO I did not "egg her on" to somebody. I actually tried to take the blame by saying I did it. But Lilly knows man she says "You can be a real piece of shit but you wouldn't do that. Not with her in your life" meaning Clementine. She assumes the same with Kenny, Katjaa, since they have Duck. Carley and Ben are the suspects.Carley is throwing insults at her and Ben is trying to defend himself. She's getting the most heat from Carley and whichever person she kills is 50% chance the killer. She killed Carley out of anger and since she was one of the suspects it would be a win win for Lilly. Never cared about the groups interest? She tries to convince Lee to leave the dairy and take the food to go since the St Johns were suspicious and she was right! If they listened to her then they might have not lost Larry. They would want to bring Mark and then find Mark legless and do whatever they want to the St Johns and leave. Again she was insulting Lilly and was one of the two suspects and since she held a grudge on her it was again a win win situation for Lilly. Now if you save Doug she will shoot Ben because she has nothing against Doug and Ben was panicking.
Kenny and Lee(determinant), that's more than enough. She couldn't stand not being in charge. Others didn't want to get involved. You saw how Mark got fed up with talking some sense into Lilly. Nobody takes Lilly's side either. And she calls you a piece of shit, yeah she's a real friend that thinks of you like that. She suspected Carley & Ben but it didn't mean that either of the two were guilty and she had no right to kill anyone. You're acting like Carley threw insults at her for no reason, Carley was trying to be calm but Lilly kept pushing her. Who was the leader again? Why couldn't she have just taken charge and told the group to leave the farm besides it was her idea to go to the farm in the first pace plus she ignored Kenny's suspicion about the farm. You keep saying Lilly was justified because Carley insulted her, if Clem called Lilly names and Lilly shoots her, is it Clems fault because Lilly is an out of control bitch? It's not a win win situation, she just pointed a finger at her and decided that she needed to die because she's a murderous coward.
How do you make those white boxes of my text in them? Does it take long?
It's called a quote box. It doesn't take a long, when you're writing a reply, the small boxes just above your text box that have BI
The seventh box from the left and the second box from your right, that's the quote box, highlight the message you want to quote then click on the box then once you post the reply, the small white boxes will be displayed on whichever comment you wanted to quote. It would make it easier considering I have to go back to my previous message to see which comment you replied to.
She wasn't waving it around but neither was Lilly. Lilly was threatening Ben and Carley yes but later Carley says a bunch of insults to Lill… morey which Lilly just won't handle and shoots her because she was so mad at the time.
Lilly didn't think that. She says "It won't be easier out on the road!" so I get the feeling she thinks they're all screwed anyway. However stealing the RV was a bad move on her part. Also Kenny states "The radiator is f***ing hosed anyway" so they would still end up on the road in the middle of no where. I think its no big deal because I know other people who do the same and its their way of expressing themselves for bad or for good.
No point talking about the hug if your not convinced Lilly is not so bad,
She was basically a prisoner. If you had killed someone (not saying you would or will) what would you do in her situation? Stay with the group where everyone hates you?
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Lilly was so angry because they lost the motor inn and that there was a traitor so she took out her anger on Carley because she was the one insulting her at the time. Shooting her was not the way to do it but it is what it is.
I'm saying I know people who would have taken the RV. You wouldn't possibly escape on foot as the group was sitting on logs right outside and would have seen her escaping. I brought her here and I obviously wouldn't let her leave so I would have caught her and brought her back.
Well I guess she might not hug Lilly but I'm trying to convince people that her actions are justified and she is not a "psycho bitch"
Again I wouldn't let her go. I would bring her back and she probably knows it because why would I bring her then? If she wanted to walk she could have asked to stay behind. Therefore her only way of escape is the RV.
I know. I'm just saying I think Kenny swears the most or hes like top 10 most swearing person in TWDG.
Shes the only one who lost family and recently. Lee had Clem, Kenny had Katjaa and Duck. Carley and Ben were on there own. Shes the only one who knows what happened to her family and witnessed it. She watched her dad's head get crushed in by a salt lick a couple days ago and she was still in mourning and was pissed at Kenny.
The bandits haven't been attacking for days. Obviously things have quieted down and she assumed they had given up. Ben wasn't contributing much so she put him on watch since not much was going on. And she wouldn't need to protect the supplies if Ben wasn't stealing them.
I would think she would. At the motor inn she gave me the idea that she would have shot her. If not she's no worse then Kenny is.
Again she was angry and stressed. How would you feel if a traitor was in your group and you lost your "home" because of one of them.
Lee was a killer. Who wants a killer in their group? Trust is important and Larry didn't like Lee because he was a killer. He didn't have to go as far as killing him but what's done is done. You have no proof that she doesn't feel guilty. She never tells us. But by her facial expressions I had assumed she felt stupid and knew she messed up big time. If you were in that situation would you tell them about Lee or not? You know they could do anything. NOBODY wants to be left on the side of the road to die. It helped to make her seem less bad. I'm actually glad she told them because Lee should have told them anyway.
Yeah well if he is a real dick and asshole as you say then he wouldn't try to help me in the first place. Bad move on Telltale's part because how can a guy with heart problems forget his pills? I would like to think that maybe they had it in their pockets and the St Johns confiscated it before putting them in the meatlocker.
When did she call you a piece of shit? I don't think I got that. She knew no one would want to leave the farm. They were all really hungry and no one would listen to her. As usual no one likes Lilly so no one would agree with her especially Kenny. If you don't like her leadership then leave! I don't see why they Kenny hates Lilly so much but he stays for some reason. She wouldn't shoot Clem. Clementine is a little girl and No one would shoot her not even Lilly or Larry, or Carver. Murdering Carley was dumb but at the time it seemed a good idea. She would kill a potential traitor and someone she hates.
I'm not saying Lilly is a good person. I'm trying to say that she is not a bad person. In my eyes her actions were justified. That is my opinion and I will stick by it. If you or anyone else disagrees I respect that. If you think she is a bitch, coward, and murderer, then fine. I see where Lilly haters are coming from and I understand that she is not likable as Kenny, Lee, and Clementine. If you decide to be mean to her and leave her for dead if you ever get the chance then fine it is the player's choice after all.
She wasn't waving it around but neither was Lilly. Lilly was threatening Ben and Carley yes but later Carley says a bunch of insults to Lill… morey which Lilly just won't handle and shoots her because she was so mad at the time.
Then there's no reason to shoot her now is there. Again, you're acting like it's normal to kill someone over a petty insult that they asked for.
Lilly didn't think that. She says "It won't be easier out on the road!" so I get the feeling she thinks they're all screwed anyway. However stealing the RV was a bad move on her part. Also Kenny states "The radiator is f***ing hosed anyway" so they would still end up on the road in the middle of no where. I think its no big deal because I know other people who do the same and its their way of expressing themselves for bad or for good.
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Lilly was so angry because they lost the motor inn and that there was a traitor so she took out her anger on Carley because she was the one insulting her at the time. Shooting her was not the way to do it but it is what it is.
It is what it is? Really? That's your defense for her? She's not the only one to have lost that motor inn and shooting someone just for "insulting" you even though you insulted that person is not a good reason to murder them. Woulds you give police officers the same benefit of the doubt if they started shooting people for looking at them funny?
I'm saying I know people who would have taken the RV. You wouldn't possibly escape on foot as the group was sitting on logs right outside and would have seen her escaping. I brought her here and I obviously wouldn't let her leave so I would have caught her and brought her back.
You'd know people that leave a little girl for dead? I would escape on foot knowing the people that tied me wouldn't give a damn about chasing after me as they already recommended kicking my ass out already. You'd be too busy concentrating on the train to babysit her and the way I see it, there are 3 options on what to do with her, 1) Kill her 2) leave her 3) Bring her, Lilly chose option 2 as she already made the decision that she didn't want to be part of the group and none of the group recommended option 1 in executing her but chose option 2 in leaving her so if she wanted to fuck off, they would've gladly let her go but robbing the only transport vehicle and leaving them to die was not part of it.
Well I guess she might not hug Lilly but I'm trying to convince people that her actions are justified and she is not a "psycho bitch"
There's no justifying in killing a kind hearted woman for no reason other than your own personal vendetta and leaving the group to die when she was the one in the wrong.
Again I wouldn't let her go. I would bring her back and she probably knows it because why would I bring her then? If she wanted to walk she could have asked to stay behind. Therefore her only way of escape is the RV.
She could've stayed behind if she asked? Did you even choose the option of telling her she's not coming with them? She didn't want to stay behind as you can tell if you had chosen that option, she tried protesting that decision. So you'd keep her there against her will? as a prisoner and waste valuable food on her? even with the others suggesting to leave her behind? Like I said, the others wouldn't give a shit if she ran off on foot neither will Lee as it's not in him to keep someone as psychotic as her around Clem against her will.
I know. I'm just saying I think Kenny swears the most or hes like top 10 most swearing person in TWDG.
Lilly also swears too if you didn't notice.
Shes the only one who lost family and recently. Lee had Clem, Kenny had Katjaa and Duck. Carley and Ben were on there own. Shes the only one who knows what happened to her family and witnessed it. She watched her dad's head get crushed in by a salt lick a couple days ago and she was still in mourning and was pissed at Kenny.
Lee lost his family too you know, he had to use an axe to put his undead brother out of his misery. Kenny later lost Katjaa & Duck and I gonna bring some comic characters into this, one character watched his wife & baby daughter get gunned down in front of him, one farm girl witnessed her siblings getting devoured and witnessed her husband getting his head smashed with a baseball bat, one playboy witnessed his mother get her throat slit by a wife beater, one woman witnessed her sister die in front of her, one elderly man lost his wife and many many more. If Lee, Kenny and those other character who lost their loved ones refrain themselves from murdering an innocent person, what's Lilly's excuse?
The bandits haven't been attacking for days. Obviously things have quieted down and she assumed they had given up. Ben wasn't contributing much so she put him on watch since not much was going on. And she wouldn't need to protect the supplies if Ben wasn't stealing them.
But as a leader, didn't she stop and think "why aren't they attacking?" plus she never had a back up plan in case they do attack. She stated afterwards she never trusted Ben but she thought it was a good idea to give him the most important job that keeps the group safe. Lilly recently figured out that someone was stealing supplies and it seems Ben's been doing it for a while but yet she didn't notice it before which indicates she kept the supplies for her own agenda plus the fact that an idiot like Ben stole supplies from her room and it took her a week to find out proves how incompetent she is.
I would think she would. At the motor inn she gave me the idea that she would have shot her. If not she's no worse then Kenny is.
She only said that to make you look bad, yep she's a real friend alright. She's shown before she wouldn't help others even to put them out of their misery so why would the screaming woman be any different?
Again she was angry and stressed. How would you feel if a traitor was in your group and you lost your "home" because of one of them.
Well first I'll take responsibility that if I hadn't been so lazy, the loss wouldn't be so bad because I would have the supplies and the motel ran it's course anyway and If I guarded the supplies properly, the outcome would've been different. Second, if I wanted to shoot the traitor, I'd make sure I got the right person instead of shooting someone that doesn't want me bullying them.
Lee was a killer. Who wants a killer in their group? Trust is important and Larry didn't like Lee because he was a killer. He didn't have to go as far as killing him but what's done is done. You have no proof that she doesn't feel guilty. She never tells us. But by her facial expressions I had assumed she felt stupid and knew she messed up big time. If you were in that situation would you tell them about Lee or not? You know they could do anything. NOBODY wants to be left on the side of the road to die. It helped to make her seem less bad. I'm actually glad she told them because Lee should have told them anyway.
No one wants a killer in their group but she kept that killer with them for 3 Months and gotten to know him and saw that he's not a threat. She could've at least said "Sorry for ratting you out" but no, she didn't feel guilty she was already making that facial expression before you ratted you out, she had plenty of time to tell us especially on the RV when you take that bitch with you. Would I tell them about Lee's secret if I was in her situation? No I wouldn't, after everything he's done for you, siding with me and helping save my dad who tried to kill him, outing him out as a killer just to drag him to level after I commit a sinister crime would be a piece of shit thing to do, it's called being a friend, looks like Lilly didn't have the same perspective. I'd understand if she ratted him out if he was against her the whole time but she does even if you were nice to her. In case you didn't know, Lilly will reveal that you're a killer "after" you decide to let her back in the RV so it seems her putting you in that position was not for the purpose of not being left on the road since she was already allowed to get back in the RV but to make you look bad because she's a backstabbing weasel. It didn't help her to make her seem less bad.
Yeah well if he is a real dick and asshole as you say then he wouldn't try to help me in the first place. Bad move on Telltale's part because how can a guy with heart problems forget his pills? I would like to think that maybe they had it in their pockets and the St Johns confiscated it before putting them in the meatlocker.
He's not gonna let you die in front of all those people. I doubt the St Johns would confiscate pills because they need their food source to be healthy & alive so if dies and reanimates, they'd lose their food source as he'd already eaten the others.
When did she call you a piece of shit? I don't think I got that. She knew no one would want to leave the farm. They were all really hungry and no one would listen to her. As usual no one likes Lilly so no one would agree with her especially Kenny. If you don't like her leadership then leave! I don't see why they Kenny hates Lilly so much but he stays for some reason. She wouldn't shoot Clem. Clementine is a little girl and No one would shoot her not even Lilly or Larry, or Carver. Murdering Carley was dumb but at the time it seemed a good idea. She would kill a potential traitor and someone she hates.
If you take the blame, she calls you a piece of shit, after everything you'd done for her, that's what she thinks of you. She's the leader, she didn't even try to evacuate everyone off the farm, heck, she wanted to look the other way and ignored Kenny when he's suspicious of them, she never listens to anyone. Where would Kenny go at that time? He wanted to leave but the RV was not working at the time. Since she had the heart to leave Clem for dead, it'd be no surprise if she'll shoot her as you've been saying this whole time, she shoots people that insults her because she's a loon. How is killing the useful kind and popular member of the group with no proof a good idea? You just said she used the traitor excuse to shoot someone she didn't like, to me she didn't care about finding the traitor but used it as an excuse to do what she did.
I'm not saying Lilly is a good person. I'm trying to say that she is not a bad person. In my eyes her actions were justified. That is my opinion and I will stick by it. If you or anyone else disagrees I respect that. If you think she is a bitch, coward, and murderer, then fine. I see where Lilly haters are coming from and I understand that she is not likable as Kenny, Lee, and Clementine. If you decide to be mean to her and leave her for dead if you ever get the chance then fine it is the player's choice after all.
She killed an innocent person for no reason then left people for dead and yet that's still not enough for some people to believe that she's "bad" and are trying to justify her actions? This is what I don't understand. None of the arguments you made got me to question my opinion of her. If the Stranger is considered bad, why isn't she? Yes it is the players choice but we can't make the characters we play as whether it's Lee or Clem like someone that they don't want to like or hate someone they don't want to hate. This is why I hope Clem has a hostile attitude against her because in her view, what Lilly did was more despicable & cruel than anything Kenny has done.
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Lilly was so angry because they lost the motor inn and that … morethere was a traitor so she took out her anger on Carley because she was the one insulting her at the time. Shooting her was not the way to do it but it is what it is.
I'm saying I know people who would have taken the RV. You wouldn't possibly escape on foot as the group was sitting on logs right outside and would have seen her escaping. I brought her here and I obviously wouldn't let her leave so I would have caught her and brought her back.
Well I guess she might not hug Lilly but I'm trying to convince people that her actions are justified and she is not a "psycho bitch"
Again I wouldn't let her go. I would bring her back and she probably knows it because why would I bring her then? If she wanted to walk she could have asked to stay behind. Therefore her only way of escape is the RV.
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Obviously there is no convincing you, the people up voting you, and the people down voting me. If my opinion is so invalid then I see this must be pretty pointless. I'm tired of arguing and I don't want to anymore. I just try to defend any character in the game because they're all so awesome and unique. Hell I would even defend Dee. Your opinion is your opinion and I respect that you think Lilly is whatever she is. I just hate to see people picking on her and people like Ben all the time. If Lilly returns go ahead and be mean or leave her for dead.
So I guess you could say you won. Thank you for your input on Lilly.
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Lilly was so angry because they lost the motor inn and that there was a traitor so she took out her anger on Carley because she was the one insulting her at the time. Shooting her was not the way to do it but it is what it is.
It is what it is? Really? That's your defense for her? She's not the only one to have lost that motor inn and shooting someone just for "insulting" you even though you insulted that person is not a good reason to murder them. Woulds you give police officers the same benefit of the doubt if they started shooting people for looking at them funny?
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In S1. Ep1. they really didn't have a plan, they took the motel and were gonna wait, it was only after that wasn't an option anymore that they left. Kenny wanted to do the whole boat thing and Clem wanted to find her parents, so that's where lee was gonna go too. They only went to Savannah because they lost the motel and lily didn't get to say because she jumped the gun and went and shot someone.
I wanted her back because she was the only one with some common sense in that group. I never understood why Kenny and Lee wanted to venture … moreto Savannah. Near the end Of S1.Ep1. Glenn is in the car and the National Guard is saying the Catastrophe levels of all major Georgia cities, and Savannah is at a level 9. Why would anyone with a brain want to venture toward the shit storm is beyond me. Also, they really thought they would find a boat in the harbor 4 month after the world went to shit.
I'm expecting Lilly to come back, but not to the same capacity as Kenny. She might have a role to play in episode 3, but I doubt she'll survive beyond that.
I don't see why people don't get this. Lilly is based off of Lilly Caul from the comics... her story with the motor inn was supposed to be what happened before she met up with her group in the comics. They aren't going to bring back people from the comics, it's usually a one time thing.
How many times does this need to be explained? Lilly was originally based off Lilly Caul, but she was established as a separate character a long time ago, thanks to Kirkman's novel ROAD TO WOODBURY.
I don't see why people don't get this. Lilly is based off of Lilly Caul from the comics... her story with the motor inn was supposed to be w… morehat happened before she met up with her group in the comics. They aren't going to bring back people from the comics, it's usually a one time thing.
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She was supposed to be Lilly Caul, but then Kirkman messed it up. That was her role. The fact is it said at the end of S1:
"She was never seen again."
I had no problem with Lilly, i just think Kenny was right. With the exception of Larry, he could've been saved. I don't mind her coming back. But everyone can admit:
Nothing happens if you side with Lilly. Nothing. No matter what, you kick her out or she leaves. No matter what.
I honestly think she killed Carley out of jealously because Lee liked Carley. It's a thought.
agreed. if i knew how do put gifs in my comments, i would give you a cookie
In my gameplay Lee liked Lilly.
Another option could be to tie Lilly's wrists and ankles together in one binding, then attach it with a chain to one of the blades of that wind turbine. If there's enough slack on the chain she'll repeatedly smash and scrape her tailbone on each rotation and slowly be mashed into a pulp.
If at any time her head comes free due to her hitting the ground at a weird angle it would be unfortunate that her agonizing death wouldn't be prolonged, yes, but on the bright side you could use her severed head and its frozen expression of pain and horror as a festive third choice for the Christmas Tree topping.
Someone gets it.
It is beyond me why people like her. She was so annoying and complained every second!
Nothing happens, though.
compared to Kenny, any familiar face is a breath of fresh air
Lilly shook up the dynamic of her group, paired with her eau-de-gym-sock beauty, my guesswork.
Personally, her return would be a welcome surprise(?). Sharp-tongued and broken? Yes, please.
Nothing really happend with Carley too.
But the point is. Carley was not threatening anyone with it so or using it at the time so there was no need to shoot her.
Still doesn't take away the fact that she betrays your trust and selfishly leaves everyone for dead.
There you go then. She's a cowardly bully that takes her anger out on others yet you seem to think this is no big deal.
So she would hug friends. Why would she hug someone that killed one of her friends and betrayed her guardian?
But you were on good terms with her but she didn't seem to acknowledge this, so she threw all that friendship you had with her out the window once she killed an innocent person. That tells you a lot about her doesn't it.
OK even so, how does this make him bad?
Kenny and the others wanted to ditch her after what she did so why would they waste their time hunting her down if she decided to run off on foot? And yet you still think she cared about the group when she escaped with the only transportation. Yeah blame Kenny, it's not like Lilly knew what she was doing.
They were going to wherever the train took them and I think Lee wanted to go there to look for Clem's parents anyway.
Just like Lilly. Both blame others for their fuck ups.
Come on man, I think you know the answer of what she'll most likely do
And he decided to let him rest for the day while he went with Lee to look for the boat. And Walkers roamed around the mansion in Episode 5 while Omid rested in Episode 4.
He only left you once in the Pharmacy, I'm not defending Kenny but Lilly also did the same when she refused to help you against Andy St John. No matter what relationship you had with him, he'll help other members of the group and not threaten others unlike Lilly who only looked out for herself. I didn't say you hate Carley but most Lilly fans do. How can you forgive her for shooting Carley when she herself didn't think she did anything wrong? She ratted you out to take the heat off herself by throwing you under the bus, she tried to drag you down.
She had a chance to calm him down but instead she was throwing up and he had a heart attack. Lilly should've brought the meds but she's careless. She can keep him calm if she can bring him back to life which was impossible at that point. Not a bad guy? Larry tied to kill you after you save his life.
How do we know no one wanted to be leader? Was there a voting system? If she can't handle situations like Lee can then maybe she should've stepped down. Trying to kill the betrayer to protect the group? All she did was choose a random person, throw out insults then pulls the trigger. She never cared about the groups interest, only used the traitor excuse because she had a petty grudge against someone who never did anything to her. She would've killed Carley anyway even if she never went off on her, Ben never stood up to her yet she pulled the trigger on him.
Ok look, how about instead we just get an oil drum or a barrel or something like that, line the inside with razor wire, strip Lilly naked and stuff her into it in a fetal position before kicking it down that ski-slope they're at the top of?
By the time it bounces its way to the bottom, hitting a few lift-poles along the way maybe, you'll be left with a delicious shredded meat stew, St. John style. Just need to remove the bones and drain the contents, mix in some peaches and beans and you'll be all set for winter.
Only problem there is if it falls into that river someone downstream gets all the goodies. We also can't use the head as the tree topper, sure, but Lilly's entrails would still have a few intact pieces you could festoon the branches with. We've got 25 feet of intestines in our bodies and, although Lilly isn't technically a human being, it would probably be of a similar length and just as celebratory with their glistening segments draped and dripping by the light of the fireplace.
I would want her back just because it would be very interesting. Not that I like her or anything.
In my gameplay Lee was a repressed homosexual.
Yeah I'm not a fan of Lilly either during the game I had mixed feelings about her (Until she murdered Carley then I despised her) our first meeting was essentially her going off at Carley and Glenn for saving our lives but when you spoke to her privately without her pain in the ass father she seemed reasonable and almost likeable but when some one did something she didn't approve like bringing back Ben and his teacher she'd go off at Kenny and Lee ( who where out hunting and providing food to the group not Lilly yes she was responsible for the rationing but to me it seemed Kenny and Lee were responsible for the scavenging) .
As for her mental state being used as an excuse for the shooting of Doug Or Carley well that's no reason, To me everyone would be suffering from some sort of mental stress like Carley listening to her colleagues on the radio get over run and admitted after escaping from the Pharmacy about not sleeping well after what happened to Doug Even Kenny was suffering blaming himself for Shawn on Hershel's farm which you discuss on the train.
Then there's the fact that after being forced from the motel they all would of been scared and stressed out so you can't just say Carley should of kept her mouth shut because not only was she being blamed for something she didn't do which anyone would probably get worked up and angry over but she was as stressed out and exhausted as any one and wouldn't be thinking straight either and would of responded on instinct.
Lilly from the examples I used didn't really seem to be leadership materiel to me a leader is some one who not only can organize but deal well with people Lilly seemed more the pencil pusher type plus her stubbornness to leave the motel in part led to the deaths of Duck and Kat since it was clear the bandits knew they were there and had attacked them until Ben started his little deal with them
As for bringing Lilly back I think she could be a great antagonist for a potential third season as I think all season 1 characters were well written but for this season no I mean we have this new group with Luke and the others plus Carver and his bunch to deal with and think Telltale would be trying to pack too much into this season since they decided bring Kenny back.
She wasn't waving it around but neither was Lilly. Lilly was threatening Ben and Carley yes but later Carley says a bunch of insults to Lilly which Lilly just won't handle and shoots her because she was so mad at the time.
Lilly didn't think that. She says "It won't be easier out on the road!" so I get the feeling she thinks they're all screwed anyway. However stealing the RV was a bad move on her part. Also Kenny states "The radiator is f***ing hosed anyway" so they would still end up on the road in the middle of no where. I think its no big deal because I know other people who do the same and its their way of expressing themselves for bad or for good.
No point talking about the hug if your not convinced Lilly is not so bad,
She was basically a prisoner. If you had killed someone (not saying you would or will) what would you do in her situation? Stay with the group where everyone hates you?
I don't like swearing and now in S2 Clem swears sometimes. She's a little girl and she's swearing. I hardly swore when I was her age and she can swear in S2 like what 5 times? This is just my opinion but seeing a 11 year old girl swear is not cool for me. I know its the zombie apocalypse but I wouldn't swear. But that was how I was raised. Swearing was a no-no but sorry if you disagree with me here.
She was angry. I guess she wasn't thinking about her actions but if she then I blame it on the stress and anger. You probably will say that is no excuse well that's my excuse.
Ah Okay.
Could you tell me what was Lilly's fuck ups and who she blamed it on? Only ones I can think of is stealing the RV. I think shes taking the blame because they all know its her. As for the supply stealing. It was Ben's fault. Lilly blames it on Carley cause she hates her. And she trusts Lee, and Kenny's family because they have kids. But Carley was insulting her while Ben just stood there panicking. Obviously she would kill the one who is calling her names.
If Lilly is such a killer than she would shoot the woman.
When EP4 starts Kenny doesn't really care when Christa says Omid needs to rest. But I'm going to drop this one since Omid got to rest even though Kenny was in a hurry to get a boat.
He also left watched when I was fighting Danny. He didn't help me because I was a dick to him. But I'm confused. In E1 he helps you up and says "I won't let anyone else die today, even if hes an asshole" if you were bad to him. And then In E2 I was an asshole and he watches me getting closer and closer to death. I would help even if the guys and asshole. EX. Larry was kind of an asshole yet I try to save him. Well I am a Lilly fan so I assumed you thought I hated Carley. I forgive her because I understand her pain, anger, sorrow, and mistakes. In my religion we are taught to forgive others and if we do not then no one should forgive us. But Lilly wasn't pure evil. She had a lot of shit racing through her head and as leader she has to deal with most of the problems. She tried to drag me down to save her own skin. She panicked and didn't want to die so she tried to protect herself. And seriously Lee should have told them even if you chose Doug. I would have told them I was a killer. EX. "I don't know who you are or what you did. Lets say things get bad in the cities and they get worse before they do. Your going to have to depend on the honesty of strangers and if those same people get to questioning yours then your going to be in trouble" Hershel approves of honesty.
So? She forgot. I forget things to don't you? BTW that should have been Larry's job since he was the one that needed the meds but everyone was hungry and were only thinking about food. Larry knows your a killer. He can't trust you. Even if you save his life he could still think you were trying to earn trust from the group. He tries to kill you to protect the group even though he doesn't know if you are good or bad. But in the end he couldn't take that kind of risk and decided you had to go. And in my play through he tried to save me so that kind of made up for it.
Because we never saw anyone step up saying I don't want you as leader. No one said they didn't want Lilly as leader except Kenny. Yes she should have stepped down but she was sure that she was running things okay since no one was complaining except Kenny. Nobody takes Kenny's side. Not even his wife! Everyone just stands there and watch them argue. Choose a random person? I disagree. And NO I did not "egg her on" to somebody. I actually tried to take the blame by saying I did it. But Lilly knows man she says "You can be a real piece of shit but you wouldn't do that. Not with her in your life" meaning Clementine. She assumes the same with Kenny, Katjaa, since they have Duck. Carley and Ben are the suspects.Carley is throwing insults at her and Ben is trying to defend himself. She's getting the most heat from Carley and whichever person she kills is 50% chance the killer. She killed Carley out of anger and since she was one of the suspects it would be a win win for Lilly. Never cared about the groups interest? She tries to convince Lee to leave the dairy and take the food to go since the St Johns were suspicious and she was right! If they listened to her then they might have not lost Larry. They would want to bring Mark and then find Mark legless and do whatever they want to the St Johns and leave. Again she was insulting Lilly and was one of the two suspects and since she held a grudge on her it was again a win win situation for Lilly. Now if you save Doug she will shoot Ben because she has nothing against Doug and Ben was panicking.
How do you make those white boxes of my text in them? Does it take long?
I can't see why the Lilly fans can't tell the difference between:
A. Killing a man for sleeping with your wife.
B. Making sure a DEAD man (yes, he wasn't breathing and had no heart rate) doesn't turn into a walker.
C. Shooting someone in the head because you suspect they MAY have possibly taken some supplies.
There is no way to justify the murder of Carley. If she had shot Ben I may have felt different.
Yes, death to all who opposes Larry!
... And Lilly I suppose. Damn I thought for sure she was coming back when you had the option to tell Alvin about her
We don't want lily back,we want lilly to be back...why?to kill her 3 seconds when she comes back.
A) How does an affair justify murder?
He was obviously breathing as he was moving to talk and you can't very well talk without being able to breathe. Kenny could have waited to see if he'd turn before dropping the hammer. He did not.
C) There is no justifying her murder, but the theft of the supplies put the group in serious danger. It ended up losing the group its home and getting one member of the group bit. It was extremely serious.
Sometimes I wonder if Lilly knew Duck got bit; she was the lookout and she probably could have seen it happening. But this is idle speculation.
Frankly, there's no justifying any of these. And yet...
Kenny smashed Larry in front of his daughter, o but hey lets all forgive Kenny. Disagree with Kenny once he goes against you. He only thought about his family. Lily thought about the group. Lily suffered painful decisions, such as rationing the food while Kenny just sat there working on the RV. She killed Carley but Carley was a mirror person to the group who really didn't do much. She did try to figure out how to get to the bottom of it. She witness her only world die in front of her so yes she broke but Carley just carry on rubbing it in her face. However people fell in love with a virtual avatar -.-.
Doug was accidentally killed. She felt horrible after. Ben is the reason why the group pretty much all died. If Ben wasn't stupid and talked to the group no of this shit would have happened.
Edit: Sorry accidentally posted twice.
Then there's no reason to shoot her now is there. Again, you're acting like it's normal to kill someone over a petty insult that they asked for.
She says it wont be easy but makes it difficult for others by taking the life of a useful group member than leaves them for dead by taking the RV mind you that she didn't know that radiator was busted so for all she knew, she took a perfectly good vehicle and you think it's no big deal that someone leaves a child to die and you know people like that?
All I'm saying it doesn't make sense for Clem to hug someone as cold and cruel like Lilly.
If I was scared out of my life, I would leave but I wouldn't take something that screws the group I apparently care about and put them in danger, I would leave on foot with dignity or I stay and learn my punishment. I'd probably wouldn't blame them if they wanted to execute me because you can't go around and shoot people that defend themselves against bullying.
I don't like swearing either but still does not warrant a death penalty.
She's not the only one going through a crisis in the ZA.
For one, stupidly putting Ben on watch then saying afterwards she "never" trusted him but yet gave him such an important job, she made the decision to stay at the motel even with the bandit threat lurking in the woods and you may blame Ben for stealing but the supplies were in Lilly's room but an idiot like Ben stole supplies from right under her nose.
Yeah this doesn't help your case when you're trying to prove that Lilly is a good person. You pretty much confirmed that Lilly is a loose canon that needs to be put down because she feels that she has the right to kill people over mindless name calling!
Think about it man. Back in Episode 1, she had no problem leaving Lee, Kenny, Clem, Katjaa & Duck out in the streets to be devoured and then going off on Carley & Glenn for saving them. And she went off on Lee, Kenny & Mark for saving Ben as she expected them to leave him in Episode 2. So I ask you, a Lilly fan, would she do anything to save that poor woman or even use a bullet to put her out of her misery? even though she couldn't use any bullets to help Lee, Clem, Kenny, Katjaa & Duck.
He said he wont let anyone die "today". And what do you mean Larry was kind of an Asshole? That son of a bitch tried to murder Lee. You're one of the few Lilly fans that don't hate Carley but that's good to know you don't hate her just because Lilly does as most Lilly fans hate her for some odd known reason. You're talking about forgiveness but how can you forgive someone who thinks they did nothing wrong and took away the life of someone as kind as Carley and wasn't even sorry for it? I'll name another leader who went through things much worse than Lilly and still had ti deal with problems, his name is Rick Grimes. She tried to drag you down to save her own skin so what does that tell you about her? a true friend would never do that and she knew she wasn't gonna die because they made no mention of executing her. The thing is, Doug didn't know Lee was a killer so Lee put that past behind, I think they wanted to give both Doug & Carley different outcomes for Lee when you choose one of them so that they're not the same.
If your father has a severe medical problems, you shouldn't forget about things like these especially since he goes off on people once in a while. It's not the responsibility of others, they give a shit about a prick like him, your all he's got. And how did he try to save you? The Axe thing, of course he's not gonna let you die in front of all those people.
Kenny and Lee(determinant), that's more than enough. She couldn't stand not being in charge. Others didn't want to get involved. You saw how Mark got fed up with talking some sense into Lilly. Nobody takes Lilly's side either. And she calls you a piece of shit, yeah she's a real friend that thinks of you like that. She suspected Carley & Ben but it didn't mean that either of the two were guilty and she had no right to kill anyone. You're acting like Carley threw insults at her for no reason, Carley was trying to be calm but Lilly kept pushing her. Who was the leader again? Why couldn't she have just taken charge and told the group to leave the farm besides it was her idea to go to the farm in the first pace plus she ignored Kenny's suspicion about the farm. You keep saying Lilly was justified because Carley insulted her, if Clem called Lilly names and Lilly shoots her, is it Clems fault because Lilly is an out of control bitch? It's not a win win situation, she just pointed a finger at her and decided that she needed to die because she's a murderous coward.
It's called a quote box. It doesn't take a long, when you're writing a reply, the small boxes just above your text box that have B I
The seventh box from the left and the second box from your right, that's the quote box, highlight the message you want to quote then click on the box then once you post the reply, the small white boxes will be displayed on whichever comment you wanted to quote. It would make it easier considering I have to go back to my previous message to see which comment you replied to.
Well there are a lot of Lily lovers on this forum.
When I press quote and text is highlighted all I get is this >
Anyway.
Lilly was so angry because they lost the motor inn and that there was a traitor so she took out her anger on Carley because she was the one insulting her at the time. Shooting her was not the way to do it but it is what it is.
I'm saying I know people who would have taken the RV. You wouldn't possibly escape on foot as the group was sitting on logs right outside and would have seen her escaping. I brought her here and I obviously wouldn't let her leave so I would have caught her and brought her back.
Well I guess she might not hug Lilly but I'm trying to convince people that her actions are justified and she is not a "psycho bitch"
Again I wouldn't let her go. I would bring her back and she probably knows it because why would I bring her then? If she wanted to walk she could have asked to stay behind. Therefore her only way of escape is the RV.
I know. I'm just saying I think Kenny swears the most or hes like top 10 most swearing person in TWDG.
Shes the only one who lost family and recently. Lee had Clem, Kenny had Katjaa and Duck. Carley and Ben were on there own. Shes the only one who knows what happened to her family and witnessed it. She watched her dad's head get crushed in by a salt lick a couple days ago and she was still in mourning and was pissed at Kenny.
The bandits haven't been attacking for days. Obviously things have quieted down and she assumed they had given up. Ben wasn't contributing much so she put him on watch since not much was going on. And she wouldn't need to protect the supplies if Ben wasn't stealing them.
I would think she would. At the motor inn she gave me the idea that she would have shot her. If not she's no worse then Kenny is.
Again she was angry and stressed. How would you feel if a traitor was in your group and you lost your "home" because of one of them.
Lee was a killer. Who wants a killer in their group? Trust is important and Larry didn't like Lee because he was a killer. He didn't have to go as far as killing him but what's done is done. You have no proof that she doesn't feel guilty. She never tells us. But by her facial expressions I had assumed she felt stupid and knew she messed up big time. If you were in that situation would you tell them about Lee or not? You know they could do anything. NOBODY wants to be left on the side of the road to die. It helped to make her seem less bad. I'm actually glad she told them because Lee should have told them anyway.
Yeah well if he is a real dick and asshole as you say then he wouldn't try to help me in the first place. Bad move on Telltale's part because how can a guy with heart problems forget his pills? I would like to think that maybe they had it in their pockets and the St Johns confiscated it before putting them in the meatlocker.
When did she call you a piece of shit? I don't think I got that. She knew no one would want to leave the farm. They were all really hungry and no one would listen to her. As usual no one likes Lilly so no one would agree with her especially Kenny. If you don't like her leadership then leave! I don't see why they Kenny hates Lilly so much but he stays for some reason. She wouldn't shoot Clem. Clementine is a little girl and No one would shoot her not even Lilly or Larry, or Carver. Murdering Carley was dumb but at the time it seemed a good idea. She would kill a potential traitor and someone she hates.
I'm not saying Lilly is a good person. I'm trying to say that she is not a bad person. In my eyes her actions were justified. That is my opinion and I will stick by it. If you or anyone else disagrees I respect that. If you think she is a bitch, coward, and murderer, then fine. I see where Lilly haters are coming from and I understand that she is not likable as Kenny, Lee, and Clementine. If you decide to be mean to her and leave her for dead if you ever get the chance then fine it is the player's choice after all.
Oh I forgot to mention, that'll come up when you hit the quote button, it means you're sentence is quoted, it'll look like that but once you post the reply, it'll come up in a white box.
It is what it is? Really? That's your defense for her? She's not the only one to have lost that motor inn and shooting someone just for "insulting" you even though you insulted that person is not a good reason to murder them. Woulds you give police officers the same benefit of the doubt if they started shooting people for looking at them funny?
You'd know people that leave a little girl for dead? I would escape on foot knowing the people that tied me wouldn't give a damn about chasing after me as they already recommended kicking my ass out already. You'd be too busy concentrating on the train to babysit her and the way I see it, there are 3 options on what to do with her, 1) Kill her 2) leave her 3) Bring her, Lilly chose option 2 as she already made the decision that she didn't want to be part of the group and none of the group recommended option 1 in executing her but chose option 2 in leaving her so if she wanted to fuck off, they would've gladly let her go but robbing the only transport vehicle and leaving them to die was not part of it.
There's no justifying in killing a kind hearted woman for no reason other than your own personal vendetta and leaving the group to die when she was the one in the wrong.
She could've stayed behind if she asked? Did you even choose the option of telling her she's not coming with them? She didn't want to stay behind as you can tell if you had chosen that option, she tried protesting that decision. So you'd keep her there against her will? as a prisoner and waste valuable food on her? even with the others suggesting to leave her behind? Like I said, the others wouldn't give a shit if she ran off on foot neither will Lee as it's not in him to keep someone as psychotic as her around Clem against her will.
Lilly also swears too if you didn't notice.
Lee lost his family too you know, he had to use an axe to put his undead brother out of his misery. Kenny later lost Katjaa & Duck and I gonna bring some comic characters into this, one character watched his wife & baby daughter get gunned down in front of him, one farm girl witnessed her siblings getting devoured and witnessed her husband getting his head smashed with a baseball bat, one playboy witnessed his mother get her throat slit by a wife beater, one woman witnessed her sister die in front of her, one elderly man lost his wife and many many more. If Lee, Kenny and those other character who lost their loved ones refrain themselves from murdering an innocent person, what's Lilly's excuse?
But as a leader, didn't she stop and think "why aren't they attacking?" plus she never had a back up plan in case they do attack. She stated afterwards she never trusted Ben but she thought it was a good idea to give him the most important job that keeps the group safe. Lilly recently figured out that someone was stealing supplies and it seems Ben's been doing it for a while but yet she didn't notice it before which indicates she kept the supplies for her own agenda plus the fact that an idiot like Ben stole supplies from her room and it took her a week to find out proves how incompetent she is.
She only said that to make you look bad, yep she's a real friend alright. She's shown before she wouldn't help others even to put them out of their misery so why would the screaming woman be any different?
Well first I'll take responsibility that if I hadn't been so lazy, the loss wouldn't be so bad because I would have the supplies and the motel ran it's course anyway and If I guarded the supplies properly, the outcome would've been different. Second, if I wanted to shoot the traitor, I'd make sure I got the right person instead of shooting someone that doesn't want me bullying them.
No one wants a killer in their group but she kept that killer with them for 3 Months and gotten to know him and saw that he's not a threat. She could've at least said "Sorry for ratting you out" but no, she didn't feel guilty she was already making that facial expression before you ratted you out, she had plenty of time to tell us especially on the RV when you take that bitch with you. Would I tell them about Lee's secret if I was in her situation? No I wouldn't, after everything he's done for you, siding with me and helping save my dad who tried to kill him, outing him out as a killer just to drag him to level after I commit a sinister crime would be a piece of shit thing to do, it's called being a friend, looks like Lilly didn't have the same perspective. I'd understand if she ratted him out if he was against her the whole time but she does even if you were nice to her. In case you didn't know, Lilly will reveal that you're a killer "after" you decide to let her back in the RV so it seems her putting you in that position was not for the purpose of not being left on the road since she was already allowed to get back in the RV but to make you look bad because she's a backstabbing weasel. It didn't help her to make her seem less bad.
He's not gonna let you die in front of all those people. I doubt the St Johns would confiscate pills because they need their food source to be healthy & alive so if dies and reanimates, they'd lose their food source as he'd already eaten the others.
If you take the blame, she calls you a piece of shit, after everything you'd done for her, that's what she thinks of you. She's the leader, she didn't even try to evacuate everyone off the farm, heck, she wanted to look the other way and ignored Kenny when he's suspicious of them, she never listens to anyone. Where would Kenny go at that time? He wanted to leave but the RV was not working at the time. Since she had the heart to leave Clem for dead, it'd be no surprise if she'll shoot her as you've been saying this whole time, she shoots people that insults her because she's a loon. How is killing the useful kind and popular member of the group with no proof a good idea? You just said she used the traitor excuse to shoot someone she didn't like, to me she didn't care about finding the traitor but used it as an excuse to do what she did.
She killed an innocent person for no reason then left people for dead and yet that's still not enough for some people to believe that she's "bad" and are trying to justify her actions? This is what I don't understand. None of the arguments you made got me to question my opinion of her. If the Stranger is considered bad, why isn't she? Yes it is the players choice but we can't make the characters we play as whether it's Lee or Clem like someone that they don't want to like or hate someone they don't want to hate. This is why I hope Clem has a hostile attitude against her because in her view, what Lilly did was more despicable & cruel than anything Kenny has done.
Obviously there is no convincing you, the people up voting you, and the people down voting me. If my opinion is so invalid then I see this must be pretty pointless. I'm tired of arguing and I don't want to anymore. I just try to defend any character in the game because they're all so awesome and unique. Hell I would even defend Dee. Your opinion is your opinion and I respect that you think Lilly is whatever she is. I just hate to see people picking on her and people like Ben all the time. If Lilly returns go ahead and be mean or leave her for dead.
So I guess you could say you won. Thank you for your input on Lilly.
In S1. Ep1. they really didn't have a plan, they took the motel and were gonna wait, it was only after that wasn't an option anymore that they left. Kenny wanted to do the whole boat thing and Clem wanted to find her parents, so that's where lee was gonna go too. They only went to Savannah because they lost the motel and lily didn't get to say because she jumped the gun and went and shot someone.
I'm expecting Lilly to come back, but not to the same capacity as Kenny. She might have a role to play in episode 3, but I doubt she'll survive beyond that.
I don't see why people don't get this. Lilly is based off of Lilly Caul from the comics... her story with the motor inn was supposed to be what happened before she met up with her group in the comics. They aren't going to bring back people from the comics, it's usually a one time thing.
How many times does this need to be explained? Lilly was originally based off Lilly Caul, but she was established as a separate character a long time ago, thanks to Kirkman's novel ROAD TO WOODBURY.