I agree with you on the first bit. It would be totally out of character for her to murder someone in cold blood, even if it was Carver. I can only see her doing that if she was absolutely pushed to the limit and had no other choice. Clementine may be hardened from all the shit she's seen, but she still retains her humanity.
It's sick to me that there are people who actually want Clem to be the one to kill Carver just for the sake of her looking like a badass, I'd hate having to see her do that. She's gone through enough as it is, and if she does have to do it, I think it would be the start of a downward spiral for her.
I really hate the people who want Clementine to be a badass or to butcher Carver in cold blood. I'm sure she's got no love for him, but she'… mores still a child. She's been effected by the world, but she isn't heartless. There's a huge line between having little hope in humanity (which is what Clementine amounts to at worst, depending on your choices) and being a blood-letting "badass".
I see people comparing Ellie and Clementine and I cringe. One's a plausible little girl who develops into a survivor, the other is some wannabe tough bitch who has an almost raped moment thrown in for sympathy.
You've missed my point.
Also, I don't see how she's a rebel...?
She's good natured yes, and doesn't show it all the time, but that's the case with lots of characters.
Anyway, I was talking about the way she awkwardly leaves the group.
Wait. Hold up. That last comment there. Are you saying that what I'm saying is unsurprising because of my sexuality? Because that's the type of assholey homophobic BULL that can
a) make me feel fine for not agreeing with you on these characters, and completely remove any respect I had for you standing up for your opinion
b) show that you have to resort to sandmen and ad hominem in your arguments because they aren't strong enough alone
c) Get you fucking banned, because I don't think homophobia is allowed on this fucking forum dude.
And excuse me,just because I don't have the exact same opinions as you, doesn't mean I have a 'warped view on anything'.
Would it help you to know that I thought Katjaa was incredibly selfish and boring? That I don't at all like Beauty from The Wolf Among Us?
What are the other characters I'm allowed to dislike by the way? Or are opinions not allowed on a public forum discussing a subjective game?
Also, saying Molly is a 'bad' character is in its essence subjective, so the fact that you think I don't see it because I 'don't give her much thought' shows that you think the only reason people may disagree with you is because they're stupid, and that's just really self-absorbed.
But hey, I'll bite.
So you think that all characters leaving without foreshadowing is bad, huh? Interesting.
So you hated Shawn? Omid? Walter?
Do you not think that the reason we thought her leaving had no 'foreshawdoing' could perhaps be due to the fact that we've known her for less than a day, and we aren't even really friends with her?
The reason she left is because she's didn't want to get in the way when the boat decision came.
Now, perhaps you instead are the one with the warped standards:
You seem to dislike every female character except Christa who is either willing to stand up for themselves or not in a romantic relationship.
Do you think women are only good characters if they are passive, or work to please their 'man'?
Now, of course those last two comments are facetious: I'm not being serious. I was showing you how you can twist little things and try to make a huge misguided generalisation.
Wait. Hold up. That last comment there. Are you saying that what I'm saying is unsurprising because of my sexuality? Because that's the type… more of assholey homophobic BULL that can
a) make me feel fine for not agreeing with you on these characters, and completely remove any respect I had for you standing up for your opinion
b) show that you have to resort to sandmen and ad hominem in your arguments because they aren't strong enough alone
c) Get you fucking banned, because I don't think homophobia is allowed on this fucking forum dude.
And excuse me,just because I don't have the exact same opinions as you, doesn't mean I have a 'warped view on anything'.
Would it help you to know that I thought Katjaa was incredibly selfish and boring? That I don't at all like Beauty from The Wolf Among Us?
What are the other characters I'm allowed to dislike by the way? Or are opinions not allowed on a public forum discussing a subjective game?… [view original content]
The fact that I am able to substantiate my arguments and not resort to insulting the person I'm debating with shows that you most certainly are not the winner.
Especially the fact that I have reported you for your homophobic comments, and will be talking to a dev on any topic when I next see them to point them here as I think they said the report function doesn't work, and my private messages don't either.
Guess how much of this I
a) read?
b) care about?
You have consistently terrible opinions. I obviously hit a nerve and you got mad. Discussion's over, I won.
"Help help I'm being oppressed and lost an argument! The homophobes, they're so afraid of my raw sexuality they're aligning their vast armies of convention against me!"
Sorry guy I just can't take anything you say seriously with that profile pic, I literally just imagine you moaning it into another man's mouth and it's way too hot for me to handle.
The fact that I am able to substantiate my arguments and not resort to insulting the person I'm debating with shows that you most certainly … moreare not the winner.
Especially the fact that I have reported you for your homophobic comments, and will be talking to a dev on any topic when I next see them to point them here as I think they said the report function doesn't work, and my private messages don't either.
"Help help I'm being oppressed and lost an argument! The homophobes, they're so afraid of my raw sexuality they're aligning their vast armie… mores of convention against me!"
Sorry guy I just can't take anything you say seriously with that profile pic, I literally just imagine you moaning it into another man's mouth and it's way too hot for me to handle.
Because putting the thought in my mind of two intrepid, burly spacemen rubbing their stubbly faces together in unbridled homosexual desire swells the cockles of my heart with piping hot lifeblood and fills my loins with sultry bi-curious lust duuuuuuuuuuuh.
Your attempt to Otherize queer sexuality and experimentation is deeply troubling you should report to your local GLAAD or GLISTEN center for resensitizing. You've set the movement back 5 minutes with your regressive attitudes, hope you're proud of yourself.
Oh, God. Here comes the hatred. Let me explain this. She wasn't annoying in the standard way, she was annoying in that she was wasted potent… moreial. She set herself up as a be-all, end-all judging you. but fuck, she was not. You can argue to kill a child, and she'll still say, "YOU SEEM LIKE A NICE GUY." She seems like an idiot after that.
Because putting the thought in my mind of two intrepid, burly spacemen rubbing their stubbly faces together in unbridled homosexual desire s… morewells the cockles of my heart with piping hot lifeblood and fills my loins with sultry bi-curious lust duuuuuuuuuuuh.
Your attempt to Otherize queer sexuality and experimentation is deeply troubling you should report to your local GLAAD or GLISTEN center for resensitizing. You've set the movement back 5 minutes with your regressive attitudes, hope you're proud of yourself.
You wanna watch it, the Kenny fanboy brigade will do bad things to you! I know this from experience, they came at me like a pack of rabid dogs and they downvoted my thread, you seriously don't want to mess with them!
LOL
So basically what you're saying is that I'm not homophobic but homophilic. I'll be pointing to this post as evidence that you're submitting false reports and actively wasting the time of mods because you're mad about losing internet arguments.
I'm also reporting you for biphobia and engaging in active attempts at Bisexual Erasure, a serious issue in the LGBTQ community.
The use of the word bent in a non-offensive way is a linguistic device by which we can prevent words from having bad meanings.
It happene… mored with the N word for example, as many black men or women started using that to call each other.
And yeah, you imagining in great detail me rubbing by stubble against my husbands sounds pretty fucking gay to me.
There is a difference between me making a joke and saying that you are clearly gay, when it is extremely obvious that you aren't, and you insulting me for my actual sexual preference, a thing I have no control over.
So basically what you're saying is that I'm not homophobic but homophilic. I'll be pointing to this post as evidence that you're submitting … morefalse reports and actively wasting the time of mods because you're mad about losing internet arguments.
I'm also reporting you for biphobia and engaging in active attempts at Bisexual Erasure, a serious issue in the LGBTQ community.
Wait no I'm not because I'm not a gigantic baby.
There is a difference between me making a joke and saying that you are clearly gay, when it is extremely obvious that you aren't, and you insulting me for my actual sexual preference, a thing I have no control over.
There is a difference between me making a joke and saying that you are clearly gay, when it is extremely obvious that you aren't, and you insulting me for my actual sexual preference, a thing I have no control over.
Dudes rubbing other dudes, maybe with some oil? Maybe wrestling a little bit, getting a good workout, doing some squat thrusts. Parts of a dude touching another dude's parts. Going antiquing on the weekend. Sounds like good old fashioned teamwork to me. Where is the Fear Factor in all of this? Should I be afraid of the pastels, the Cher music, what?
You keep using that word.
What's there to be scared of?
Dudes rubbing other dudes, maybe with some oil? Maybe wrestling a little bit, … moregetting a good workout, doing some squat thrusts. Parts of a dude touching another dude's parts. Going antiquing on the weekend. Sounds like good old fashioned teamwork to me. Where is the Fear Factor in all of this? Should I be afraid of the pastels, the Cher music, what?
"Gay" implies frivolity, a carefree attitude and unbridled, often unwarranted, joy. For many homosexuals in this country and throughout the world, that's neither their natural disposition or a luxury in their day to day life. To imply otherwise is an act of stereotyping which I just can't abide by, sorry. Out of respect for different lifestyles, I'd ask you to not use that terminology unless in abbreviated or acronym forms.
But to the point, is the assumption that homosexuals enjoy sexual and romantic relationships exclusively with members of the same-sex a homophobic attitude? This certainly suggests a predisposition to certain behaviors that may inform others, including tangential dispositions towards members of the opposite sex. This assumption is certainly neither "discriminatory" nor would it be unexpected.
For instance, having an avatar of two spacemen passionately liplocking might not be an optimal choice for a heterosexual man. In fact, I've had no particular evidence that you were a man at all. You could've been a teenage girl who simply enjoys the sight of men being intimate with other men, a common enough sentiment concerning that demographic, but you immediately assumed the statement was centered around your homosexuality, validating the very prejudice you purportedly denounce.
Could it be that other sentiments and dispositions are related to sexuality?
Homophobia is a misnomer. A more appropriate word would be 'gayism', as is the case with sexism and racism.
It's not about fear, it's abo… moreut discrimination.
I hate pastels and Cher music, and the fact that you think that's what makes people gay shows how homophobic you actually are.
"Gay" implies frivolity, a carefree attitude and unbridled, often unwarranted, joy. For many homosexuals in this country and throughout the … moreworld, that's neither their natural disposition or a luxury in their day to day life. To imply otherwise is an act of stereotyping which I just can't abide by, sorry. Out of respect for different lifestyles, I'd ask you to not use that terminology unless in abbreviated or acronym forms.
But to the point, is the assumption that homosexuals enjoy sexual and romantic relationships exclusively with members of the same-sex a homophobic attitude? This certainly suggests a predisposition to certain behaviors that may inform others, including tangential dispositions towards members of the opposite sex. This assumption is certainly neither "discriminatory" nor would it be unexpected.
For instance, having an avatar of two spacemen passionately liplocking might not be an optimal choice for a heterosexual man. … [view original content]
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I agree with you on the first bit. It would be totally out of character for her to murder someone in cold blood, even if it was Carver. I can only see her doing that if she was absolutely pushed to the limit and had no other choice. Clementine may be hardened from all the shit she's seen, but she still retains her humanity.
It's sick to me that there are people who actually want Clem to be the one to kill Carver just for the sake of her looking like a badass, I'd hate having to see her do that. She's gone through enough as it is, and if she does have to do it, I think it would be the start of a downward spiral for her.
Nope. I think she meant Becca.
and he has a rebuttal for every choice you make
Hm.. about Christa, is there Clementine's fault that Omid dies? just after the incident, she communicates with Clem very negatively.
both kenny and lilly are annoying as fuck with their argue
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~so edgy~
~a bad grrl with a checkered past~
~but now she uses her vagina for good~
The world may never know.
Wait. Hold up. That last comment there. Are you saying that what I'm saying is unsurprising because of my sexuality? Because that's the type of assholey homophobic BULL that can
a) make me feel fine for not agreeing with you on these characters, and completely remove any respect I had for you standing up for your opinion
b) show that you have to resort to sandmen and ad hominem in your arguments because they aren't strong enough alone
c) Get you fucking banned, because I don't think homophobia is allowed on this fucking forum dude.
And excuse me,just because I don't have the exact same opinions as you, doesn't mean I have a 'warped view on anything'.
Would it help you to know that I thought Katjaa was incredibly selfish and boring? That I don't at all like Beauty from The Wolf Among Us?
What are the other characters I'm allowed to dislike by the way? Or are opinions not allowed on a public forum discussing a subjective game?
Also, saying Molly is a 'bad' character is in its essence subjective, so the fact that you think I don't see it because I 'don't give her much thought' shows that you think the only reason people may disagree with you is because they're stupid, and that's just really self-absorbed.
But hey, I'll bite.
So you think that all characters leaving without foreshadowing is bad, huh? Interesting.
So you hated Shawn? Omid? Walter?
Do you not think that the reason we thought her leaving had no 'foreshawdoing' could perhaps be due to the fact that we've known her for less than a day, and we aren't even really friends with her?
The reason she left is because she's didn't want to get in the way when the boat decision came.
Now, perhaps you instead are the one with the warped standards:
You seem to dislike every female character except Christa who is either willing to stand up for themselves or not in a romantic relationship.
Do you think women are only good characters if they are passive, or work to please their 'man'?
Now, of course those last two comments are facetious: I'm not being serious. I was showing you how you can twist little things and try to make a huge misguided generalisation.
I agree with you about Molly, but you're a homophobic asshole.
Guess how much of this I
a) read?
b) care about?
You have consistently terrible opinions. I obviously hit a nerve and you got mad. Discussion's over, I won.
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Aaaand reported.
The fact that I am able to substantiate my arguments and not resort to insulting the person I'm debating with shows that you most certainly are not the winner.
Especially the fact that I have reported you for your homophobic comments, and will be talking to a dev on any topic when I next see them to point them here as I think they said the report function doesn't work, and my private messages don't either.
"Help help I'm being oppressed and lost an argument! The homophobes, they're so afraid of my raw sexuality they're aligning their vast armies of convention against me!"
Sorry guy I just can't take anything you say seriously with that profile pic, I literally just imagine you moaning it into another man's mouth and it's way too hot for me to handle.
What do you flog with, anyway? Riding crop or one of those leather cat-o-nine tails?
Why are you imagining me having sex with my husband? Are you gay, because that sounds pretty bent to me.
It's a random name I chose to use for forums from when I was about nine.
Because putting the thought in my mind of two intrepid, burly spacemen rubbing their stubbly faces together in unbridled homosexual desire swells the cockles of my heart with piping hot lifeblood and fills my loins with sultry bi-curious lust duuuuuuuuuuuh.
Your attempt to Otherize queer sexuality and experimentation is deeply troubling you should report to your local GLAAD or GLISTEN center for resensitizing. You've set the movement back 5 minutes with your regressive attitudes, hope you're proud of yourself.
HOW DARE YOU!
Just kidding, but where can you argue to kill a child?
The use of the word bent in a non-offensive way is a linguistic device by which we can prevent words from having bad meanings.
It happened with the N word for example, as many black men or women started using that to call each other.
And yeah, you imagining in great detail me rubbing by stubble against my husbands sounds pretty fucking gay to me.
Yikes.
Or... Ya know... Maybe they downvote him/her because of his/her freaking username?!
He is talking about throwing out Duck or not. But really, Doug also told Lee "I think you are a great guy" despite Lee wanting to throw out a child.
I didn't even know what the word 'flog' meant then, so I wouldn't bother expanding that theory of yours.
So basically what you're saying is that I'm not homophobic but homophilic. I'll be pointing to this post as evidence that you're submitting false reports and actively wasting the time of mods because you're mad about losing internet arguments.
I'm also reporting you for biphobia and engaging in active attempts at Bisexual Erasure, a serious issue in the LGBTQ community.
Wait no I'm not because I'm not a gigantic baby.
There is a difference between me making a joke and saying that you are clearly gay, when it is extremely obvious that you aren't, and you insulting me for my actual sexual preference, a thing I have no control over.
You can't change this moron's mind. Just leave him to his ignorance.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
She is female, although I don't see how that has any effect on anything
How the fuck would you know what my sexuality is?
Between your profile pic and your posting you're two steps away from turning into this guy:
I'm pretty sure you're not gay or bi, because most gay or bi people tend to not be homophobic.
grabs popcorn
Continue. Don't mind me.
You keep using that word.
What's there to be scared of?
Dudes rubbing other dudes, maybe with some oil? Maybe wrestling a little bit, getting a good workout, doing some squat thrusts. Parts of a dude touching another dude's parts. Going antiquing on the weekend. Sounds like good old fashioned teamwork to me. Where is the Fear Factor in all of this? Should I be afraid of the pastels, the Cher music, what?
Homophobia is a misnomer. A more appropriate word would be 'gayism', as is the case with sexism and racism.
It's not about fear, it's about discrimination.
I hate pastels and Cher music, and the fact that you think that's what makes people gay shows how homophobic you actually are.
"Gay" implies frivolity, a carefree attitude and unbridled, often unwarranted, joy. For many homosexuals in this country and throughout the world, that's neither their natural disposition or a luxury in their day to day life. To imply otherwise is an act of stereotyping which I just can't abide by, sorry. Out of respect for different lifestyles, I'd ask you to not use that terminology unless in abbreviated or acronym forms.
But to the point, is the assumption that homosexuals enjoy sexual and romantic relationships exclusively with members of the same-sex a homophobic attitude? This certainly suggests a predisposition to certain behaviors that may inform others, including tangential dispositions towards members of the opposite sex. This assumption is certainly neither "discriminatory" nor would it be unexpected.
For instance, having an avatar of two spacemen passionately liplocking might not be an optimal choice for a heterosexual man. In fact, I've had no particular evidence that you were a man at all. You could've been a teenage girl who simply enjoys the sight of men being intimate with other men, a common enough sentiment concerning that demographic, but you immediately assumed the statement was centered around your homosexuality, validating the very prejudice you purportedly denounce.
Could it be that other sentiments and dispositions are related to sexuality?
shh shh shh you're in for a treat if they let this keep going.
This isn't a fight, it's a beating.
But then again "Flog" might be into that.
Lemoncakes, can you please just shut up!
You are entitled to your opinion, but arguing about it is going nowhere but badly!
Now, can we all just sit and please eat some peaches and beans?
But Giraffehat, I have to try! We can't just give up!