Carlos said that anything is possible, including death. They didn't know which turn of events would take place, whether it be her dying, getting sick, or being completely fine.
Right. Which means they knew it could very well kill her.
They really had no other options: putting her in the house would be to dangerous if she really was bitten, even if she was locked behind a door. Putting her in the shed would keep everyone safe, much more so than inside the house or outside with the walkers.
How would putting her in the house be more dangerous exactly? Could have cared for her and kept an eye on her. If she were bitten, then they would see first hand. If she were a spy, it would have been much safer for her to be in the house anyways.
They had perfectly reasonable suspicions: she wasn't with a group, and the chances of her surviving without one is low, so the only other likely option would be she was scouting with Carver. So far, things don't look very good with her. If she had more people to vouch for her, that would help her case, but she didn't.
I agree. She stood out like a sore thumb, but that doesn't mean I should trust them just because they were paranoid of me/her.
Carlos said that anything is possible, including death. They didn't know which turn of events would take place, whether it be her dying, ge… moretting sick, or being completely fine.
They really had no other options: putting her in the house would be to dangerous if she really was bitten, even if she was locked behind a door. Putting her in the shed would keep everyone safe, much more so than inside the house or outside with the walkers.
They had perfectly reasonable suspicions: she wasn't with a group, and the chances of her surviving without one is low, so the only other likely option would be she was scouting with Carver. So far, things don't look very good with her. If she had more people to vouch for her, that would help her case, but she didn't.
Haha yeah I found that little argument you two had. He felt bad about it, and he tried to apologize, so I hope there's no hard feelings. Can't have ill will between two of my favorite users!
I told him how me and you fought when we first got here. xD
Haha yeah I found that little argument you two had. He felt bad about it, and he tried to apologize, so I hope there's no hard feelings. Can… more't have ill will between two of my favorite users!
I told him how me and you fought when we first got here. xD
Just because nick WANTS to tell the truth doesn't mean he shouldluke and nick are probably the closest to family they got left ( remember nick even mentioning that luke has that trait to move on something nick doesn't have)
Here's another example say someone extremely close to you ( say a brother or best friend) killed somebody in what you knew was a true accident. Would you tell that persons lover (one you don't know and considering this is a ZA could kill your friend)
Like poked me said luke was looking out for his friend (and possibly anything close to family besides Clem that he has left)
Either way was risky but telling the truth was more riskier than lying
I know he wanted to protect Nick, but even after Nick told him he was willing to take the risk Luke still wants you to hide the knife. What … moreuse is protecting Nick's life if he's so distraught and swallowed with guilt that he doesn't want to live it? Hiding the truth wasn't Luke's call in this case.
The risk of being thrown out was worth it to me because of the last part of my post, "He had already given them temporary shelter as well as a good meal, which is more than they had on the previous five days." The shelter and food they got in their short time there was a matter of luck, and although it was a nice temporary luxury, they'd only be going back to the scenario they came from. They also intended to leave in the morning, so they wouldn't really be losing much by being kicked out.
Definitely. Both of us were a straight up ass to the other at some point.
Yeah, Even if we hadn't apologized to each other it wouldn't have made a difference since I don't take arguments personal. I mean, You and Me never formally apologized to each other we just started getting along and look now .
I already said before that if Walter wasn't the selfless and nice person that he was that I wouldn't want to tell him at all. In the case of how it happened though, and Walter was a selfless person who did nothing but good by my group then I would think telling him would be best. If my friend wanted to tell the truth I'd have let him, and it would probably go something about like how this went in the show, when Rick told Daryl he cuffed Merle to the roof:
Knowing my friend wanted to tell the truth, I first of all would have been there to cover his ass when he did, unlike Luke. Second, I still think it was the right thing to do to tell him. Walter was good to the group when he didn't have to be. He wanted people to do good by each other, and after a while he'd have known something was up anyways. Matthew not returning, and these people having come from where Matthew was, combined with the fact that he heard them talking about killing someone earlier in the day. I'd always take my chances with just being open and honest about it.
Just because nick WANTS to tell the truth doesn't mean he shouldluke and nick are probably the closest to family they got left ( remember ni… moreck even mentioning that luke has that trait to move on something nick doesn't have)
Here's another example say someone extremely close to you ( say a brother or best friend) killed somebody in what you knew was a true accident. Would you tell that persons lover (one you don't know and considering this is a ZA could kill your friend)
Like poked me said luke was looking out for his friend (and possibly anything close to family besides Clem that he has left)
Either way was risky but telling the truth was more riskier than lying
Definitely. Both of us were a straight up ass to the other at some point.
Yeah, Even if we hadn't apologized to each other it wouldn't ha… moreve made a difference since I don't take arguments personal. I mean, You and Me never formally apologized to each other we just started getting along and look now .
Definitely. Both of us were a straight up ass to the other at some point.
Yeah, Even if we hadn't apologized to each other it wouldn't ha… moreve made a difference since I don't take arguments personal. I mean, You and Me never formally apologized to each other we just started getting along and look now .
I love how Carver is manipulating people into not trusting these guys even though those same people don't trust him either.
Just another Well-Written Character by TTG.
Indeed. I can see it already, It looks like Carver and Clementine are going to be in more than a couple of scenes together and he'll try to Brainwash her.
Then this choice pops up after the Preview...
Did you Trust the Cabin Group or take Carver's words ?
You and 68.8 of players defended the group against Carver's accusations.
I already said before that if Walter wasn't the selfless and nice person that he was that I wouldn't want to tell him at all. In the case of… more how it happened though, and Walter was a selfless person who did nothing but good by my group then I would think telling him would be best. If my friend wanted to tell the truth I'd have let him, and it would probably go something about like how this went in the show, when Rick told Daryl he cuffed Merle to the roof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ehtt9rPsD8
Knowing my friend wanted to tell the truth, I first of all would have been there to cover his ass when he did, unlike Luke. Second, I still think it was the right thing to do to tell him. Walter was good to the group when he didn't have to be. He wanted people to do good by each other, and after a while he'd have known something was up anyways. Matthew not returning, and these people having come from where Matthew was, combined with the fact … [view original content]
Indeed. I can see it already, It looks like Carver and Clementine are going to be in more than a couple of scenes together and he'll try to … moreBrainwash her.
Then this choice pops up after the Preview...
Did you Trust the Cabin Group or take Carver's words ?
You and 68.8 of players defended the group against Carver's accusations.
I'm gonna be hated 4 it, but Carver did ask Clem how much did they trust u at the cabin. Carver knows more about the group than us so u have to wonder. Carver might not be that bad of a man as we think... I think Rebecca is the bad one
Why the fuck would you trust any of these people?
When they're not actively or passively trying to get Clem killed they're being shady as hell and refusing to give you straight answers about anything.
They knew it was a possibility, they didn't know that it would happen.
Not at all. What if Sarah was curious, decided to look at Clem when she turned? Sarah would be screwed. One bite is all it takes, and is it REALLY worth risking one of your group members to watch her after their past experience with it (which ended with Nick's Mom dying). No. Besides, if she WAS a spy and she was lying about that, that means she would be lying about the bite (so that they wouldn't kill her), which in tern means she wouldn't last long, not long enough to report to Carver.
What can they do to you now that you have proven to them that you were telling the truth? Carlos, Pete/Nick, and Luke all saved your life how many times now? I'm pretty sure they consider you one of theirs now.
Carlos said that anything is possible, including death. They didn't know which turn of events would take place, whether it be her dying, get… moreting sick, or being completely fine.
Right. Which means they knew it could very well kill her.
They really had no other options: putting her in the house would be to dangerous if she really was bitten, even if she was locked behind a door. Putting her in the shed would keep everyone safe, much more so than inside the house or outside with the walkers.
How would putting her in the house be more dangerous exactly? Could have cared for her and kept an eye on her. If she were bitten, then they would see first hand. If she were a spy, it would have been much safer for her to be in the house anyways.
They had perfectly reasonable suspicions: she wasn't with a group, and the chances of her surviving without one is low, so the only other likely option would be she was scouting with Car… [view original content]
They knew it was a possibility, they didn't know that it would happen.
Yes. We've covered this. They knew it was completely realistic that she would die from it.
Not at all. What if Sarah was curious, decided to look at Clem when she turned? Sarah would be screwed. One bite is all it takes, and is it REALLY worth risking one of your group members to watch her after their past experience with it (which ended with Nick's Mom dying).
Post a guard? Tell Sarah not to talk to her? It's as risky to open the door to the shed to a walker as it is to open a door in the house to a walker. (Little threat at that with her size.)
No. Besides, if she WAS a spy and she was lying about that, that means she would be lying about the bite (so that they wouldn't kill her), which in tern means she wouldn't last long, not long enough to report to Carver.
No it doesn't. If she lies about being a spy that doesn't inherently mean she was lying about it being a dog. They are completely different matters. Again bringing us back to keeping an eye on her in the house vs keeping her alone in the shed. The prior is still safer for the group.
What can they do to you now that you have proven to them that you were telling the truth? Carlos, Pete/Nick, and Luke all saved your life how many times now? I'm pretty sure they consider you one of theirs now.
What can they do? Kill you. I don't suspect they will randomly off you for suspecting you of working with Carver, this situation is behind us. I do suspect they view you as expendable compared to the more important (to them) members of their group. I think they will help you with no danger to the self (Carlos helping you outside the resort) but when it comes time to help while they are in danger... well this is where I don't completely trust them. Will they help, or turn and run? Why do I trust them enough to put my life on the line when I'm so woefully doubtful they will do the same?
They knew it was a possibility, they didn't know that it would happen.
Not at all. What if Sarah was curious, decided to look at Clem wh… moreen she turned? Sarah would be screwed. One bite is all it takes, and is it REALLY worth risking one of your group members to watch her after their past experience with it (which ended with Nick's Mom dying). No. Besides, if she WAS a spy and she was lying about that, that means she would be lying about the bite (so that they wouldn't kill her), which in tern means she wouldn't last long, not long enough to report to Carver.
What can they do to you now that you have proven to them that you were telling the truth? Carlos, Pete/Nick, and Luke all saved your life how many times now? I'm pretty sure they consider you one of theirs now.
They knew it was a possibility, they didn't know that it would happen.
Yes. We've covered this. They knew it was completely realisti… morec that she would die from it.
Not at all. What if Sarah was curious, decided to look at Clem when she turned? Sarah would be screwed. One bite is all it takes, and is it REALLY worth risking one of your group members to watch her after their past experience with it (which ended with Nick's Mom dying).
Post a guard? Tell Sarah not to talk to her? It's as risky to open the door to the shed to a walker as it is to open a door in the house to a walker. (Little threat at that with her size.)
No. Besides, if she WAS a spy and she was lying about that, that means she would be lying about the bite (so that they wouldn't kill her), which in tern means she wouldn't last long, not long enough to report to Carver.
No it doesn't. If she lies about being a spy that doesn't inherently mean sh… [view original content]
I've thought about this to but the writing is as predictable as you see it and that's how it comes across to everyone, a man trying to manipulate a little girl is pretty obvious or at least that's what it seems like since he's the main antagonist. I just hope the story is not that simple it would be a huge plot twist if the cabin group has done some questionable inhuman things while in Carver's community.
Also what gets me is that every chance you get to talk about the Cabin's group past, the cabin group just changes subject. Not saying I would betray the cabin group I just want to know the full story from both sides.
I'll always place my bet on the cabin group I just want to hear the full story from them. There are so many hints that the cabin group has not told Clem something.
I love how Carver is manipulating people into not trusting these guys even though those same people don't trust him either.
Just another Well-Written Character by TTG.
Why waste time posting a guard and watching over her when you can just put her in a shed and not worry about people going in when they aren't supposed to? Locking her in the shed is far less riskier and requires less effort if she turns than in the house. Why would you let someone who will turn inside your home, regardless of locked doors and such! With all the noise walkers make when stumbling around and growling, that would likely attract some attention of the walkers not far from the cabin at the time.
It's far safer to keep a spy in the shed, because if she IS bitten, she would die soon, and if she wasn't, there is no way she would survive in the wilderness wounded without medical supplies with walkers all around. Only an idiot would run into the forest unarmed with an infected arm. Clem barley made it to the cabin alive, and she wouldn't have if Luke didn't save her. Also, it would make sense that if she is lying about being with Carver, she is most likely lying about the bite as well, at least, an assumption of that nature can be made.
Luke risked his life, same with Nick and Pete (Pete actually gave his life (he was dead anyway, but still) to get you out of there). They all put themselves in danger for you and to save and protect you. None of that was for their self gain, yet they did it anyway. They put themselves in danger for you countless times, Luke and Nick (determent) and Alvin even go out into the wilderness to look for you.
They knew it was a possibility, they didn't know that it would happen.
Yes. We've covered this. They knew it was completely realisti… morec that she would die from it.
Not at all. What if Sarah was curious, decided to look at Clem when she turned? Sarah would be screwed. One bite is all it takes, and is it REALLY worth risking one of your group members to watch her after their past experience with it (which ended with Nick's Mom dying).
Post a guard? Tell Sarah not to talk to her? It's as risky to open the door to the shed to a walker as it is to open a door in the house to a walker. (Little threat at that with her size.)
No. Besides, if she WAS a spy and she was lying about that, that means she would be lying about the bite (so that they wouldn't kill her), which in tern means she wouldn't last long, not long enough to report to Carver.
No it doesn't. If she lies about being a spy that doesn't inherently mean sh… [view original content]
Why the fuck would you trust any of these people?
When they're not actively or passively trying to get Clem killed they're being shady as hell and refusing to give you straight answers about anything.
I'm gonna be hated 4 it, but Carver did ask Clem how much did they trust u at the cabin. Carver knows more about the group than us so u have to wonder. Carver might not be that bad of a man as we think... I think Rebecca is the bad one
Why waste time posting a guard and watching over her when you can just put her in a shed and not worry about people going in when they aren't supposed to?
Well let's cover a base here real quick. They don't need to lock her in a room and leave her. A perk of bringing her inside is you can keep an eye on her, meaning you don't lock her behind closed doors. But I digress, if we stick with your hypothetical and say they do bring her in and lock her away then my rebuttal stands as this:
From what we see no one would have opened the door. Sarah is the character I'm sure you'll jump to, but from what we see she isn't as stupid as we thought she was and also she is afraid of disobeying her father, if her father was adamant about not going in to see the stranger then she wouldn't. As to why waste time posting a guard? To make sure she stay there and isn't a danger to the group, something she is much more of out in the shed.
Why would you let someone who will turn inside your home, regardless of locked doors and such!
Well first, it's nicer than leaving them in a cold, dark shed. Second, (most important to the group) you could keep an eye on them. And lastly, they didn't know if she was bitten by a walker or not, which is what gave cause to keeping her around in the first place.
With all the noise walkers make when stumbling around and growling, that would likely attract some attention of the walkers not far from the cabin at the time.
I'm sorry, is this a legitimate argument? They don't make that much noise, and any walkers (the few that could be drawn by the loudest zombie of all time) would be drawn towards the shed only a few meters from the house should she turn out there anyways.
It's far safer to keep a spy in the shed, because if she IS bitten, she would die soon, and if she wasn't, there is no way she would survive in the wilderness wounded without medical supplies with walkers all around.
Again these are two separate issues. If she is bitten then she is likely dead either way (though therotically even if she is bitten she could escape the shed and return to Carver anyways, accomplishing her goal). If she isn't bitten and is a spy then she could escape the shed (easier than the house) and return to Carver in a heartbeat.
Only an idiot would run into the forest unarmed with an infected arm.
Only an idiot would spend the remainder of their short life locked in a shed awaiting death.
Also, it would make sense that if she is lying about being with Carver, she is most likely lying about the bite as well, at least, an assumption of that nature can be made.
What? No it wouldn't. No it can't. Again these are separate issues. One bares no implication on the other. One can be as easily a lie or the truth and vise versa for the other. If she were a spy she wouldn't tell them she was bit even if she was bit. If she wasn't a spy she wouldn't tell them she was bit even if she was bit. There is no linkage between the two other than who says it and who hears it. Her saying one doesn't make the other true, her denying one doesn't dismiss the other. There is no logic behind your argument here.
Luke risked his life, same with Nick and Pete (Pete actually gave his life (he was dead anyway, but still) to get you out of there). They all put themselves in danger for you and to save and protect you. None of that was for their self gain, yet they did it anyway. They put themselves in danger for you countless times, Luke and Nick (determent) and Alvin even go out into the wilderness to look for you.
Are any of the examples you refer to hear when someone else in the group is not on the line? I'll break this part down subsequently.
Luke risked his life, same with Nick and Pete (Pete actually gave his life (he was dead anyway, but still) to get you out of there).
You're going to need to be specific here. Pete did give his life, but as you said, he was already dead. Even when you convince him to come with you he can't walk, so while I admire his sacrifice I don't spot this as particular putting himself in harms way to save Clem, as he was proverbially "fucked." When did Luke and Nick risk their lives for you (when a 'more important' member is not on the line, and you just happen to be present)?
None of that was for their self gain, yet they did it anyway. They put themselves in danger for you countless times, Luke and Nick (determent) and Alvin even go out into the wilderness to look for you.
If the situation where they go to look for you and Pete is your example of them putting themselves in harms way then I disagree. First they aren't directly in harms way and secondly they were looking for Pete, you are with Pete so it was a "why not" situation (theoretically, this can't be proven and neither can yours, I'm just saying it's possible and this can't be used as a definite example of them endangering themselves for clementine herself).
Off with that topic now.
Why waste time posting a guard and watching over her when you can just put her in a shed and not worry about peo… moreple going in when they aren't supposed to? Locking her in the shed is far less riskier and requires less effort if she turns than in the house. Why would you let someone who will turn inside your home, regardless of locked doors and such! With all the noise walkers make when stumbling around and growling, that would likely attract some attention of the walkers not far from the cabin at the time.
It's far safer to keep a spy in the shed, because if she IS bitten, she would die soon, and if she wasn't, there is no way she would survive in the wilderness wounded without medical supplies with walkers all around. Only an idiot would run into the forest unarmed with an infected arm. Clem barley made it to the cabin alive, and she wouldn't have if Luke didn't save her. Also, it would make sense that if … [view original content]
Nick risks his life so you can run back to the cabin. He fights off the walkers for you, remember? Same with Luke: He was close be being bitten several times had Pete not been there. Nobody was in danger then, right?
Rebecca even said, "Luke and Alvin went out to look for you. I told them not to, but..." You meaning both Pete and Clem.
One does not simply escape the shed. Walkers surrounded the area: she would have to get through them UNARMED with an infected wound on her arm and make it to Carver's camp without fainting. Not possible. She's dead.
A walker can make as much noise as it wants. They aren't exactly quiet when they are trying to eat someone or break something down. Even so, they would be attracted to the SHED, not the HOUSE.
Keeping an eye on her is NOT a perk, it's just another thing to worry about. You think Clem would last any longer if they denied her medical supplies yet continued to watch her? What if she started getting a fever and they thought it was because of a walker bite? What if she starts to faint? They will assume she is about to turn. Clem was much safer in the shed so that the group doesn't assume the worst and kill her when she isn't turning.
Why waste time posting a guard and watching over her when you can just put her in a shed and not worry about people going in when they aren'… moret supposed to?
Well let's cover a base here real quick. They don't need to lock her in a room and leave her. A perk of bringing her inside is you can keep an eye on her, meaning you don't lock her behind closed doors. But I digress, if we stick with your hypothetical and say they do bring her in and lock her away then my rebuttal stands as this:
From what we see no one would have opened the door. Sarah is the character I'm sure you'll jump to, but from what we see she isn't as stupid as we thought she was and also she is afraid of disobeying her father, if her father was adamant about not going in to see the stranger then she wouldn't. As to why waste time posting a guard? To make sure she stay there and isn't a danger to the group, something she is much more of out in the shed.
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Not one break shall be given!! Haha this was easier before you edited it.
Nick risks his life so you can run back to the cabin. He fights off the walkers for you, remember? Same with Luke: He was close be being bitten several times had Pete not been there. Nobody was in danger then, right?
When does Nick fight off walkers for you to get back to the cabin? Again be more specific, give me times. Was this if you went with him instead of Pete? Was this at the lodge when the walkers were already on top of him? Him giving little thought to you, but only rightly so self preservation?
Same with Luke: He was close be being bitten several times had Pete not been there. Nobody was in danger then, right?
When they first rescued you? Facing two walkers with abke weapons? Also I feel it necessary to say I don't distrust each member same-like just the group as a whole. I trusted Pete, sort of trust Nick, and slightly trust Luke.
Rebecca even said, "Luke and Alvin went out to look for you. I told them not to, but..." You meaning both Pete and Clem.
Right. I covered this. You were present with Pete, an 'important' member of their group. Had it been only you I doubt they would have been so read to go looking, especially if the wants of the groups majority were taken into account. Of course when you show up they don't say something like "They went to find Pete. Now watch my daughter please."
One does not simply escape the shed. Walkers surrounded the area: she would have to get through them UNARMED with an infected wound on her arm and make it to Carver's camp without fainting. Not possible. She's dead.
The walkers are scarce near the house. Getting through then consists of simply hiding behind trees and blending to the dark. It's completely possible. Plus the cabin group didn't know how far Carver's camp is, she is readily able to escape and return to Carver. Ergo she is a threat as a spy more in the shed than in the house.
EDIT: If they aren't worry about the spy escaping in the middle of the night (doubt it) then we can just fall back on not being a right arse and letting the young child in the house for sale of not being horrible people. This also comes back to lack of interest in her wellbeing,and reason to believe they would choose self preservation over her preservation.
A walker can make as much noise as it wants. They aren't exactly quiet when they are trying to eat someone or break something down.
Well firwt, no it can't and they aren't very loud, they groaning a mild tone and walk into things at a slow rate of speed, nothing more. They don't scream or hit thing violently or with tools. They're very subtle.
Even so, they would be attracted to the SHED, not the HOUSE.
Yes, all 0 zombies would be attracted to a spot 10 meters from the house.
Keeping an eye on her is NOT a perk, it's just another thing to worry about.
It's most definitely a perk. If she is a spy you make sure she doesn't leave and if she is turning you know about it. It's good.
You think Clem would last any longer if they denied her medical supplies yet continued to watch her?
This has nothing to do with reason to trust/distrust the group.
Jayzues Chrystler, man, you give me NO breaks! XD
Nick risks his life so you can run back to the cabin. He fights off the walkers for y… moreou, remember? Same with Luke: He was close be being bitten several times had Pete not been there. Nobody was in danger then, right?
Rebecca even said, "Luke and Alvin went out to look for you. I told them not to, but..." You meaning both Pete and Clem.
One does not simply escape the shed. Walkers surrounded the area: she would have to get through them UNARMED with an infected wound on her arm and make it to Carver's camp without fainting. Not possible. She's dead.
A walker can make as much noise as it wants. They aren't exactly quiet when they are trying to eat someone or break something down. Even so, they would be attracted to the SHED, not the HOUSE.
Keeping an eye on her is NOT a perk, it's just another thing to worry about. You think Clem would last any longer if they denied her… [view original content]
Would I be able to sleep? Yeah, maybe. Do I trust them? No. Just because you don't trust someone doesn't mean that you can't cooperate. Hell, I don't think I could trust anybody if this happened, but I would still be with a group, helping out. But a few of them have received Asshole of the Week awards, for that introduction.
I think people tend to trust Nick more, because he is more honest. He tells Clem and Luke on how his feels about his actions. He genuinely shows remorse. And there is nothing right now that suggest that Nick is hiding a secret. Nick and Pete are the only people in the Cabin group, who told their backstory to Clem.
My thoughts exactly! I replayed episodes 1 & 2 yesterday, cause I hadn't played 400 days the last time, and I can't help but to think that the Cabin Group did something dark in during their time in the community..
But that would be too simple right? It annoyed me that the told me close to nothing about their past. It's just like Clem says to Walter: They underestimate me..
I've thought about this to but the writing is as predictable as you see it and that's how it comes across to everyone, a man trying to manip… moreulate a little girl is pretty obvious or at least that's what it seems like since he's the main antagonist. I just hope the story is not that simple it would be a huge plot twist if the cabin group has done some questionable inhuman things while in Carver's community.
Also what gets me is that every chance you get to talk about the Cabin's group past, the cabin group just changes subject. Not saying I would betray the cabin group I just want to know the full story from both sides.
I'll always place my bet on the cabin group I just want to hear the full story from them. There are so many hints that the cabin group has not told Clem something.
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Right. Which means they knew it could very well kill her.
How would putting her in the house be more dangerous exactly? Could have cared for her and kept an eye on her. If she were bitten, then they would see first hand. If she were a spy, it would have been much safer for her to be in the house anyways.
I agree. She stood out like a sore thumb, but that doesn't mean I should trust them just because they were paranoid of me/her.
Haha yeah I found that little argument you two had. He felt bad about it, and he tried to apologize, so I hope there's no hard feelings. Can't have ill will between two of my favorite users!
I told him how me and you fought when we first got here. xD
Don't worry Bud, Its all settled now.
Oohh yess !! I hate myself when time passes and I realize I used to get on one of my best friend's nerves
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Just because nick WANTS to tell the truth doesn't mean he shouldluke and nick are probably the closest to family they got left ( remember nick even mentioning that luke has that trait to move on something nick doesn't have)
Here's another example say someone extremely close to you ( say a brother or best friend) killed somebody in what you knew was a true accident. Would you tell that persons lover (one you don't know and considering this is a ZA could kill your friend)
Like poked me said luke was looking out for his friend (and possibly anything close to family besides Clem that he has left)
Either way was risky but telling the truth was more riskier than lying
I think that "getting on one of my best friend's nerves," thing went both ways. Haha
Good times....
And I'm glad to hear that.
Definitely. Both of us were a straight up ass to the other at some point.
Yeah, Even if we hadn't apologized to each other it wouldn't have made a difference since I don't take arguments personal. I mean, You and Me never formally apologized to each other we just started getting along and look now
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When they met Clementine they did not trust her at all, she's a child for god's sake!
I already said before that if Walter wasn't the selfless and nice person that he was that I wouldn't want to tell him at all. In the case of how it happened though, and Walter was a selfless person who did nothing but good by my group then I would think telling him would be best. If my friend wanted to tell the truth I'd have let him, and it would probably go something about like how this went in the show, when Rick told Daryl he cuffed Merle to the roof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ehtt9rPsD8
Knowing my friend wanted to tell the truth, I first of all would have been there to cover his ass when he did, unlike Luke. Second, I still think it was the right thing to do to tell him. Walter was good to the group when he didn't have to be. He wanted people to do good by each other, and after a while he'd have known something was up anyways. Matthew not returning, and these people having come from where Matthew was, combined with the fact that he heard them talking about killing someone earlier in the day. I'd always take my chances with just being open and honest about it.
You guys found the love and guidance of the BOOMBOX CHEETOS, and all was forgiven?
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BOOMBOX CHEETOS wasn't even around back then, Well actually he was but it wasn't a forum sensation like now.
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Yeah for sure. I think Carver trying to convince Clem to trust him over them will be pretty primary in the next episode.
Indeed. I can see it already, It looks like Carver and Clementine are going to be in more than a couple of scenes together and he'll try to Brainwash her.
Then this choice pops up after the Preview...
Did you Trust the Cabin Group or take Carver's words ?
You and 68.8 of players defended the group against Carver's accusations.
I miss Shane
Carver is the confirmed antagonist, so naturally I'll be siding against him.
Isn't it usual that people don't side with the antagonist? Making them... you know.... The antagonist?
I'm honest not sure if I would side with the group or not. I guess it depends how well he does his job of convincing me in episode 3.
I'm gonna be hated 4 it, but Carver did ask Clem how much did they trust u at the cabin. Carver knows more about the group than us so u have to wonder. Carver might not be that bad of a man as we think... I think Rebecca is the bad one
Why the fuck would you trust any of these people?
When they're not actively or passively trying to get Clem killed they're being shady as hell and refusing to give you straight answers about anything.
the shed thing i completely understand why they did that. Other than that hen have they tried to kill clem? they saved her life
I know you don't, I've just expressed myself wrongly.
I guess we'll have to wait and see now.
They knew it was a possibility, they didn't know that it would happen.
Not at all. What if Sarah was curious, decided to look at Clem when she turned? Sarah would be screwed. One bite is all it takes, and is it REALLY worth risking one of your group members to watch her after their past experience with it (which ended with Nick's Mom dying). No. Besides, if she WAS a spy and she was lying about that, that means she would be lying about the bite (so that they wouldn't kill her), which in tern means she wouldn't last long, not long enough to report to Carver.
What can they do to you now that you have proven to them that you were telling the truth? Carlos, Pete/Nick, and Luke all saved your life how many times now? I'm pretty sure they consider you one of theirs now.
With the achievements being released today it seems like we won't have to wait long... I hope.
Yes. We've covered this. They knew it was completely realistic that she would die from it.
Post a guard? Tell Sarah not to talk to her? It's as risky to open the door to the shed to a walker as it is to open a door in the house to a walker. (Little threat at that with her size.)
No it doesn't. If she lies about being a spy that doesn't inherently mean she was lying about it being a dog. They are completely different matters. Again bringing us back to keeping an eye on her in the house vs keeping her alone in the shed. The prior is still safer for the group.
What can they do? Kill you. I don't suspect they will randomly off you for suspecting you of working with Carver, this situation is behind us. I do suspect they view you as expendable compared to the more important (to them) members of their group. I think they will help you with no danger to the self (Carlos helping you outside the resort) but when it comes time to help while they are in danger... well this is where I don't completely trust them. Will they help, or turn and run? Why do I trust them enough to put my life on the line when I'm so woefully doubtful they will do the same?
I love how you guys break down each others comments to state your opinion and shit. Its awesome
Really? I haven't seen them yet.
Two hours away and so much happens. 
I've thought about this to but the writing is as predictable as you see it and that's how it comes across to everyone, a man trying to manipulate a little girl is pretty obvious or at least that's what it seems like since he's the main antagonist. I just hope the story is not that simple it would be a huge plot twist if the cabin group has done some questionable inhuman things while in Carver's community.
Also what gets me is that every chance you get to talk about the Cabin's group past, the cabin group just changes subject. Not saying I would betray the cabin group I just want to know the full story from both sides.
I'll always place my bet on the cabin group I just want to hear the full story from them. There are so many hints that the cabin group has not told Clem something.
Why thank you Mr. King
Off with that topic now.
Why waste time posting a guard and watching over her when you can just put her in a shed and not worry about people going in when they aren't supposed to? Locking her in the shed is far less riskier and requires less effort if she turns than in the house. Why would you let someone who will turn inside your home, regardless of locked doors and such! With all the noise walkers make when stumbling around and growling, that would likely attract some attention of the walkers not far from the cabin at the time.
It's far safer to keep a spy in the shed, because if she IS bitten, she would die soon, and if she wasn't, there is no way she would survive in the wilderness wounded without medical supplies with walkers all around. Only an idiot would run into the forest unarmed with an infected arm. Clem barley made it to the cabin alive, and she wouldn't have if Luke didn't save her. Also, it would make sense that if she is lying about being with Carver, she is most likely lying about the bite as well, at least, an assumption of that nature can be made.
Luke risked his life, same with Nick and Pete (Pete actually gave his life (he was dead anyway, but still) to get you out of there). They all put themselves in danger for you and to save and protect you. None of that was for their self gain, yet they did it anyway. They put themselves in danger for you countless times, Luke and Nick (determent) and Alvin even go out into the wilderness to look for you.
This is what civil debating looks like.
Because some people do?
IMO carver is the bad one he tortured Carlos in front of his daughter
Also considering he literally forced you to come (kenny sarita and clementine)
He was an interesting character, but I feel like it was good they killed him off.
Well let's cover a base here real quick. They don't need to lock her in a room and leave her. A perk of bringing her inside is you can keep an eye on her, meaning you don't lock her behind closed doors. But I digress, if we stick with your hypothetical and say they do bring her in and lock her away then my rebuttal stands as this:
From what we see no one would have opened the door. Sarah is the character I'm sure you'll jump to, but from what we see she isn't as stupid as we thought she was and also she is afraid of disobeying her father, if her father was adamant about not going in to see the stranger then she wouldn't. As to why waste time posting a guard? To make sure she stay there and isn't a danger to the group, something she is much more of out in the shed.
Well first, it's nicer than leaving them in a cold, dark shed. Second, (most important to the group) you could keep an eye on them. And lastly, they didn't know if she was bitten by a walker or not, which is what gave cause to keeping her around in the first place.
I'm sorry, is this a legitimate argument?
They don't make that much noise, and any walkers (the few that could be drawn by the loudest zombie of all time) would be drawn towards the shed only a few meters from the house should she turn out there anyways.
Again these are two separate issues. If she is bitten then she is likely dead either way (though therotically even if she is bitten she could escape the shed and return to Carver anyways, accomplishing her goal). If she isn't bitten and is a spy then she could escape the shed (easier than the house) and return to Carver in a heartbeat.
Only an idiot would spend the remainder of their short life locked in a shed awaiting death.
What? No it wouldn't. No it can't. Again these are separate issues. One bares no implication on the other. One can be as easily a lie or the truth and vise versa for the other. If she were a spy she wouldn't tell them she was bit even if she was bit. If she wasn't a spy she wouldn't tell them she was bit even if she was bit. There is no linkage between the two other than who says it and who hears it. Her saying one doesn't make the other true, her denying one doesn't dismiss the other. There is no logic behind your argument here.
Are any of the examples you refer to hear when someone else in the group is not on the line? I'll break this part down subsequently.
You're going to need to be specific here. Pete did give his life, but as you said, he was already dead. Even when you convince him to come with you he can't walk, so while I admire his sacrifice I don't spot this as particular putting himself in harms way to save Clem, as he was proverbially "fucked." When did Luke and Nick risk their lives for you (when a 'more important' member is not on the line, and you just happen to be present)?
If the situation where they go to look for you and Pete is your example of them putting themselves in harms way then I disagree. First they aren't directly in harms way and secondly they were looking for Pete, you are with Pete so it was a "why not" situation (theoretically, this can't be proven and neither can yours, I'm just saying it's possible and this can't be used as a definite example of them endangering themselves for clementine herself).
Yes same here. But when I saw Shane tackle him in the video it brought back all the "buddy buddy" feelings.
Jayzues Chrystler, man, you give me NO breaks! XD
Nick risks his life so you can run back to the cabin. He fights off the walkers for you, remember? Same with Luke: He was close be being bitten several times had Pete not been there. Nobody was in danger then, right?
Rebecca even said, "Luke and Alvin went out to look for you. I told them not to, but..." You meaning both Pete and Clem.
One does not simply escape the shed. Walkers surrounded the area: she would have to get through them UNARMED with an infected wound on her arm and make it to Carver's camp without fainting. Not possible. She's dead.
A walker can make as much noise as it wants. They aren't exactly quiet when they are trying to eat someone or break something down. Even so, they would be attracted to the SHED, not the HOUSE.
Keeping an eye on her is NOT a perk, it's just another thing to worry about. You think Clem would last any longer if they denied her medical supplies yet continued to watch her? What if she started getting a fever and they thought it was because of a walker bite? What if she starts to faint? They will assume she is about to turn. Clem was much safer in the shed so that the group doesn't assume the worst and kill her when she isn't turning.
Not one break shall be given!! Haha
this was easier before you edited it.
When does Nick fight off walkers for you to get back to the cabin? Again be more specific, give me times. Was this if you went with him instead of Pete? Was this at the lodge when the walkers were already on top of him? Him giving little thought to you, but only rightly so self preservation?
When they first rescued you? Facing two walkers with abke weapons? Also I feel it necessary to say I don't distrust each member same-like just the group as a whole. I trusted Pete, sort of trust Nick, and slightly trust Luke.
Right. I covered this. You were present with Pete, an 'important' member of their group. Had it been only you I doubt they would have been so read to go looking, especially if the wants of the groups majority were taken into account. Of course when you show up they don't say something like "They went to find Pete. Now watch my daughter please."
The walkers are scarce near the house. Getting through then consists of simply hiding behind trees and blending to the dark. It's completely possible. Plus the cabin group didn't know how far Carver's camp is, she is readily able to escape and return to Carver. Ergo she is a threat as a spy more in the shed than in the house.
EDIT: If they aren't worry about the spy escaping in the middle of the night (doubt it) then we can just fall back on not being a right arse and letting the young child in the house for sale of not being horrible people. This also comes back to lack of interest in her wellbeing,and reason to believe they would choose self preservation over her preservation.
Well firwt, no it can't
and they aren't very loud, they groaning a mild tone and walk into things at a slow rate of speed, nothing more. They don't scream or hit thing violently or with tools. They're very subtle.
Yes, all 0 zombies would be attracted to a spot 10 meters from the house.
It's most definitely a perk. If she is a spy you make sure she doesn't leave and if she is turning you know about it. It's good.
This has nothing to do with reason to trust/distrust the group.
He definitely had some good moments.
Would I be able to sleep? Yeah, maybe. Do I trust them? No. Just because you don't trust someone doesn't mean that you can't cooperate. Hell, I don't think I could trust anybody if this happened, but I would still be with a group, helping out. But a few of them have received Asshole of the Week awards, for that introduction.
I think people tend to trust Nick more, because he is more honest. He tells Clem and Luke on how his feels about his actions. He genuinely shows remorse. And there is nothing right now that suggest that Nick is hiding a secret. Nick and Pete are the only people in the Cabin group, who told their backstory to Clem.
My thoughts exactly! I replayed episodes 1 & 2 yesterday, cause I hadn't played 400 days the last time, and I can't help but to think that the Cabin Group did something dark in during their time in the community..
But that would be too simple right? It annoyed me that the told me close to nothing about their past. It's just like Clem says to Walter: They underestimate me..