Actually, there is a deleted part of the game where if you don't feed Clementine at the motor in, she says, "That's OK, I'll pray for some tonight" suggesting that she was religious or her family were religious.
Also, Lee did say "God bless you" to Irene (in my playthrough). Now that may just be out of respect, but he also did say "God help us". Now, I don't know many atheists who would say 'God help us' when they don't think he exists.
Kenny also flat out states that he is a "Christian man"
So no, there isn't necessarily a lack of it. Not enough to get worked up about, but it is definitely in there.
I mean if anything there is a LACK of religion in the games. They say God a few times but as others have said God does not ultimately mean r… moreeligious. People say it for emphasis. No one is ever praying or doing a religious exercise so I have never consciously thought of the religious aspect in the game.
'The world going to hell', as discussed earlier in the thread, can actually fortify a lot of people's beliefs. We don't need fictional scenarios involving zombies to know this; we've got plenty of real world evidence. Massacre, war, genocide, famine, disease...large number of people have come through the worst of these things still believing in whatever it was they believed in before.
It's somewhere on youtube (I forget where) but it's in the unused audio files of S1E2 and there was supposed to be a prayer scene before eat… moreing dinner and Clem said Amen and such... but yeah, I don't think religion should be described too much in the game, and yes, it's unreal for characters to believe when the world around them has gone to utter hell. I have a feeling they may have already stopped believing but they just say 'Oh my god' or whatever as a an expression (like OzzieMonkey stated). I've known atheists who say 'Bless you' or 'Oh my god' so it's not entirely unlikely.
"More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." ~Romans 5:3-5
Suffering doesn't make it unrealistic to have faith. I mean, look at the Apostles: Apostle Peter was crucified upside down in Rome, Apostle Mathew was beheaded, Apostle Thomas was tortured and burned alive, Apostle James was stoned, Apostle Andrew was crucified as well. Many more I am missing.
'The world going to hell', as discussed earlier in the thread, can actually fortify a lot of people's beliefs. We don't need fictional scena… morerios involving zombies to know this; we've got plenty of real world evidence. Massacre, war, genocide, famine, disease...large number of people have come through the worst of these things still believing in whatever it was they believed in before.
Though that's only if people believe in whether God is a good or not. Some people think God is full of love and wouldn't let something like that happens, it depends on who you're talking to.
'The world going to hell', as discussed earlier in the thread, can actually fortify a lot of people's beliefs. We don't need fictional scena… morerios involving zombies to know this; we've got plenty of real world evidence. Massacre, war, genocide, famine, disease...large number of people have come through the worst of these things still believing in whatever it was they believed in before.
No but when bad things happen to people, people may blame god. They may be angry with god, they may curse god's name, but they don't stop believing in god. Know what i mean.
No but when bad things happen to people, people may blame god. They may be angry with god, they may curse god's name, but they don't stop believing in god. Know what i mean.
I exclaim 'Jesus Christ!' and 'God damn it!' all the time and I am firmly atheist, and a little anti-theist. It doesn't necessarily mean you believe, its just that the words 'Jesus Christ, god damn, jesus mary and joseph', etc, have all become standard western dialect for swearing or otherwise expressing yourself, especially in christian families or families who have had exposure to Christianity.
TL:DR: Exclaiming a religions expletives that you have gathered in your dialects does not necessarily mean you do or have followed that religion.
Telltale basically leaves the characters religions vague since they care more about other aspects of the story, and so we can make up our own minds.
ZenClem confimed season 3! She'll totally be rocking out with Eddie.
There's also the option to say "God bless you, alright?" to the girl in episode 1 before she shoots herself. But that was more for her benef… moreit, seeing as she seemed to be very religious.
But anyway, as the others have said, they are just expressions. It's up to the player if it has any meaning or not.
I exclaim 'Jesus Christ!' and 'God damn it!' all the time and I am firmly atheist, and a little anti-theist. It doesn't necessarily mean you… more believe, its just that the words 'Jesus Christ, god damn, jesus mary and joseph', etc, have all become standard western dialect for swearing or otherwise expressing yourself, especially in christian families or families who have had exposure to Christianity.
TL:DR: Exclaiming a religions expletives that you have gathered in your dialects does not necessarily mean you do or have followed that religion.
Telltale basically leaves the characters religions vague since they care more about other aspects of the story, and so we can make up our own minds.
ZenClem confimed season 3! She'll totally be rocking out with Eddie.
Nah I don't believe that but that what religious people say when bad stuff happens to people in real life. Hershel even says that he thinks its a plan by god
Oh yes, there are some characters (I can't think of more than Kenny though...) who's religions are obvious, I just meant how a lot of the expletives used in the game by all the characters are christian related.
Yeah, maybe it's a thing with Semitic languages/cultures. Another example are a couple of Arabic insults that roughly translate to "may allah kill you!" and "may Allah destroy your house!" which is equivalent to telling someone to "go to hell" in English.
Yeah...in hebrew alot of people use words like i swear by god,i swear by the bible...so help me god....but they dont really mean it(atleast i think they dont)
I'm not sure Clem has had much religious instruction considering her parents jobs probably kept them out of the house often, not to mention she doesn't suggest doing religious things throughout the game, even though she uses the expression "Oh, my god!". That said, I don't think Clem was ever much of a believer, and if she was she is probably less so now. And then there are the mental gymnastics that would be required to reconcile a zombie apocalypse in a religious context (how can one still be 'saved' if you were apparently left behind?) which also does't address the underlying mechanism of a virus that reanimates people while going against our current understanding of biology.
Personally, I don't see the need or reason for a 'higher power' to make sense of things in life, even if certain aspects are astoundingly confusing - we may not have figured it out *yet*, but we're getting there.
It could also be seen as some sort of screwed up Noahs ark thing where god punished everyone by causing a flood maybe he's punishing everyone with zombies XD Im not religious so don't quote me on this but religious people also believe that there will be a day when the dead rise again or something like that.
I think the African version of that saying makes a lot more sense... "God (Allah) is not obliged to be fair."
It's basically a carefully worded way of saying 'Life's a bitch, don't try to rationalize it through religion.'
It could also be seen as some sort of screwed up Noahs ark thing where god punished everyone by causing a flood maybe he's punishing everyon… moree with zombies XD Im not religious so don't quote me on this but religious people also believe that there will be a day when the dead rise again or something like that.
Yeah if God is real and is the creator of everything and is really clever, there will be things that we wouldn't be able to understand and things we wouldn't even be able to comprehend.
Us humans just think were really clever
Yeah, Hershel mentions that parable in the show and says he thought god "had something else in mind."
Personally, I think that trying to interpret the will of an omnipotent being would be a fool's errand?
Actually, there is a deleted part of the game where if you don't feed Clementine at the motor in, she says, "That's OK, I'll pray for some t… moreonight" suggesting that she was religious or her family were religious.
Also, Lee did say "God bless you" to Irene (in my playthrough). Now that may just be out of respect, but he also did say "God help us". Now, I don't know many atheists who would say 'God help us' when they don't think he exists.
Kenny also flat out states that he is a "Christian man"
So no, there isn't necessarily a lack of it. Not enough to get worked up about, but it is definitely in there.
"Shit times like these actually reinforce people's religious beliefs"
Well every person is different,
For example if something like this would happen in the real world it would confirm my belief 100% about gods existence(For me at least since im an athiest)
"How can the character we interact with(and play as) still believe in God after everything that has happened?"
Shit times like these actually reinforce people's religious beliefs. See Morgan, Jacqui, Hershel, Father Gabriel Stokes, Rick ,etc.
"For example if something like this would happen in the real world it would confirm my belief 100% about gods existence(For me at least since im an athiest)"
"Shit times like these actually reinforce people's religious beliefs"
Well every person is different,
For example if something like this… more would happen in the real world it would confirm my belief 100% about gods existence(For me at least since im an athiest)
It's an Americanism. I don't know about other English speakers, but Americans will use God in all sorts of exclamations.
Though, in fact, like zombies, God is dead.
"For example if something like this would happen in the real world it would confirm my belief 100% about gods existence(For me at least since im an athiest)"
How so?
I think I'd manage to hold onto my beliefs in the world of TWD. My thinking would be along the lines of, God wouldn't do this, if anything it was the devil, and if anything, God might be the reason why we're alive.
Basically, while Christianity supposedly dictates values in Western society, other factors are far more prominent in modern western society. While the majority would call themselves Christian, the supposed values of the religion take a backseat to Enlightenment and (proto-) capitalist beliefs. He's (to my understanding) both the hypocracy of Christianity (IE the priests' as a sort of sublimation of the Will to Power) and the lack of adherence despite supposed belief in modern society.
"I can't profess to understand God's plan, but Christ promised a resurrection of the dead. I just thought he had something a little different in mind."--Hershel
it is a matter of vocuabulary and how you have been taught to speak the language. I still say "wallah" even though i am practically an atheist. It is a matter of habit rather than religion.
Look, if Alvin died in episode 2, and you talk to Rebecca on the first night at the camp when you first meet Reggie, Clem has the option to comfort Rebecca by saying he is in heaven watching over her and their baby.
So I'd say it does seem she still believes in something.
Maybe she'll grow out of it eventually. Who knows.
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Also, Lee did say "God bless you" to Irene (in my playthrough). Now that may just be out of respect, but he also did say "God help us". Now, I don't know many atheists who would say 'God help us' when they don't think he exists.
Kenny also flat out states that he is a "Christian man"
So no, there isn't necessarily a lack of it. Not enough to get worked up about, but it is definitely in there.
Suffering doesn't make it unrealistic to have faith. I mean, look at the Apostles: Apostle Peter was crucified upside down in Rome, Apostle Mathew was beheaded, Apostle Thomas was tortured and burned alive, Apostle James was stoned, Apostle Andrew was crucified as well. Many more I am missing.
TL:DR: Exclaiming a religions expletives that you have gathered in your dialects does not necessarily mean you do or have followed that religion.
Telltale basically leaves the characters religions vague since they care more about other aspects of the story, and so we can make up our own minds.
ZenClem confimed season 3! She'll totally be rocking out with Eddie.
Personally, I don't see the need or reason for a 'higher power' to make sense of things in life, even if certain aspects are astoundingly confusing - we may not have figured it out *yet*, but we're getting there.
It's basically a carefully worded way of saying 'Life's a bitch, don't try to rationalize it through religion.'
and I'm atheist
Personally, I think that trying to interpret the will of an omnipotent being would be a fool's errand?
Us humans just think were really clever
Shit times like these actually reinforce people's religious beliefs. See Morgan, Jacqui, Hershel, Father Gabriel Stokes, Rick ,etc.
Ghost clementine Doesn't fear Walkers
Well every person is different,
For example if something like this would happen in the real world it would confirm my belief 100% about gods existence(For me at least since im an athiest)
How so?
Though, in fact, like zombies, God is dead.
Since i dont believe in god....i still sometimes question if he might exist...a zombie appocalypse will prove to me he doesn't
But I'll gladly sacrifice it for the good of the community. That's just the kind of guy I am. A hero! A bloody icon!
Yeah yeah I know, it's just an avatar. Shutting up.
Correctly use (if my interpretation is correct)
God is dead, and we killed him.
Basically, while Christianity supposedly dictates values in Western society, other factors are far more prominent in modern western society. While the majority would call themselves Christian, the supposed values of the religion take a backseat to Enlightenment and (proto-) capitalist beliefs. He's (to my understanding) both the hypocracy of Christianity (IE the priests' as a sort of sublimation of the Will to Power) and the lack of adherence despite supposed belief in modern society.
"I can't profess to understand God's plan, but Christ promised a resurrection of the dead. I just thought he had something a little different in mind."--Hershel
So I'd say it does seem she still believes in something.
Maybe she'll grow out of it eventually. Who knows.