Religion in the walking dead(Spoilers)

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  • edited May 2014
    Actually, there is a deleted part of the game where if you don't feed Clementine at the motor in, she says, "That's OK, I'll pray for some tonight" suggesting that she was religious or her family were religious.

    Also, Lee did say "God bless you" to Irene (in my playthrough). Now that may just be out of respect, but he also did say "God help us". Now, I don't know many atheists who would say 'God help us' when they don't think he exists.

    Kenny also flat out states that he is a "Christian man"

    So no, there isn't necessarily a lack of it. Not enough to get worked up about, but it is definitely in there.

    I mean if anything there is a LACK of religion in the games. They say God a few times but as others have said God does not ultimately mean r

  • 'The world going to hell', as discussed earlier in the thread, can actually fortify a lot of people's beliefs. We don't need fictional scenarios involving zombies to know this; we've got plenty of real world evidence. Massacre, war, genocide, famine, disease...large number of people have come through the worst of these things still believing in whatever it was they believed in before.
    _Juice_Box_ posted: »

    It's somewhere on youtube (I forget where) but it's in the unused audio files of S1E2 and there was supposed to be a prayer scene before eat

  • edited May 2014
    As Hershel said: Christ promised the resurrection of the dead. I just thought he had something a little different in mind.
  • Without faith there would be no point in going on. She has hope that one day the world will be better.
  • That doesn't necessarily mean religious faith though.
    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Without faith there would be no point in going on. She has hope that one day the world will be better.

  • edited May 2014
    "More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." ~Romans 5:3-5

    Suffering doesn't make it unrealistic to have faith. I mean, look at the Apostles: Apostle Peter was crucified upside down in Rome, Apostle Mathew was beheaded, Apostle Thomas was tortured and burned alive, Apostle James was stoned, Apostle Andrew was crucified as well. Many more I am missing.

    'The world going to hell', as discussed earlier in the thread, can actually fortify a lot of people's beliefs. We don't need fictional scena

  • Though that's only if people believe in whether God is a good or not. Some people think God is full of love and wouldn't let something like that happens, it depends on who you're talking to.

    'The world going to hell', as discussed earlier in the thread, can actually fortify a lot of people's beliefs. We don't need fictional scena

  • No but when bad things happen to people, people may blame god. They may be angry with god, they may curse god's name, but they don't stop believing in god. Know what i mean.
    tauer posted: »

    That doesn't necessarily mean religious faith though.

  • I understand, but not everyone's religious. My point is that one can have faith that things will get better, even though one does not believe in God.
    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    No but when bad things happen to people, people may blame god. They may be angry with god, they may curse god's name, but they don't stop believing in god. Know what i mean.

  • Gotcha yeah your right <.>
    tauer posted: »

    I understand, but not everyone's religious. My point is that one can have faith that things will get better, even though one does not believe in God.

  • I exclaim 'Jesus Christ!' and 'God damn it!' all the time and I am firmly atheist, and a little anti-theist. It doesn't necessarily mean you believe, its just that the words 'Jesus Christ, god damn, jesus mary and joseph', etc, have all become standard western dialect for swearing or otherwise expressing yourself, especially in christian families or families who have had exposure to Christianity.

    TL:DR: Exclaiming a religions expletives that you have gathered in your dialects does not necessarily mean you do or have followed that religion.

    Telltale basically leaves the characters religions vague since they care more about other aspects of the story, and so we can make up our own minds.

    ZenClem confimed season 3! She'll totally be rocking out with Eddie.
  • edited May 2014
    I like your opinions and will keep on reading them regardless, but could you please change your profile picture? It just really creeps me out.
    Onmens posted: »

    There's also the option to say "God bless you, alright?" to the girl in episode 1 before she shoots herself. But that was more for her benef

  • Kenny does admit to being a Christian Man, but i agree with pretty much everything you said.
    Qipoi posted: »

    I exclaim 'Jesus Christ!' and 'God damn it!' all the time and I am firmly atheist, and a little anti-theist. It doesn't necessarily mean you

  • Nah I don't believe that but that what religious people say when bad stuff happens to people in real life. Hershel even says that he thinks its a plan by god
    _Juice_Box_ posted: »

    I hope you're joking.

  • Oh yes, there are some characters (I can't think of more than Kenny though...) who's religions are obvious, I just meant how a lot of the expletives used in the game by all the characters are christian related.
    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Kenny does admit to being a Christian Man, but i agree with pretty much everything you said.

  • Yeah, maybe it's a thing with Semitic languages/cultures. Another example are a couple of Arabic insults that roughly translate to "may allah kill you!" and "may Allah destroy your house!" which is equivalent to telling someone to "go to hell" in English.
    Cazabubu posted: »

    Yeah...in hebrew alot of people use words like i swear by god,i swear by the bible...so help me god....but they dont really mean it(atleast i think they dont)

  • I'm not sure Clem has had much religious instruction considering her parents jobs probably kept them out of the house often, not to mention she doesn't suggest doing religious things throughout the game, even though she uses the expression "Oh, my god!". That said, I don't think Clem was ever much of a believer, and if she was she is probably less so now. And then there are the mental gymnastics that would be required to reconcile a zombie apocalypse in a religious context (how can one still be 'saved' if you were apparently left behind?) which also does't address the underlying mechanism of a virus that reanimates people while going against our current understanding of biology.

    Personally, I don't see the need or reason for a 'higher power' to make sense of things in life, even if certain aspects are astoundingly confusing - we may not have figured it out *yet*, but we're getting there.
  • BigBlindMaxBigBlindMax Banned
    edited May 2014
    I think the African version of that saying makes a lot more sense... "God (Allah) is not obliged to be fair."

    It's basically a carefully worded way of saying 'Life's a bitch, don't try to rationalize it through religion.'
    _Juice_Box_ posted: »

    I hope you're joking.

  • It could also be seen as some sort of screwed up Noahs ark thing where god punished everyone by causing a flood maybe he's punishing everyone with zombies XD Im not religious so don't quote me on this but religious people also believe that there will be a day when the dead rise again or something like that.
    BigBlindMax posted: »

    I think the African version of that saying makes a lot more sense... "God (Allah) is not obliged to be fair." It's basically a carefully worded way of saying 'Life's a bitch, don't try to rationalize it through religion.'

  • I say omg all the time
    and I'm atheist
  • BigBlindMaxBigBlindMax Banned
    edited May 2014
    Yeah, Hershel mentions that parable in the show and says he thought god "had something else in mind."

    Personally, I think that trying to interpret the will of an omnipotent being would be a fool's errand?
    Alex452 posted: »

    It could also be seen as some sort of screwed up Noahs ark thing where god punished everyone by causing a flood maybe he's punishing everyon

  • edited May 2014
    Yeah if God is real and is the creator of everything and is really clever, there will be things that we wouldn't be able to understand and things we wouldn't even be able to comprehend.
    Us humans just think were really clever
    BigBlindMax posted: »

    Yeah, Hershel mentions that parable in the show and says he thought god "had something else in mind." Personally, I think that trying to interpret the will of an omnipotent being would be a fool's errand?

  • I've been getting lots of comments about it, but I didn't think it was actually upsetting people. My apologies, it willl be changed.
    Qipoi posted: »

    I like your opinions and will keep on reading them regardless, but could you please change your profile picture? It just really creeps me out.

  • "How can the character we interact with(and play as) still believe in God after everything that has happened?"

    Shit times like these actually reinforce people's religious beliefs. See Morgan, Jacqui, Hershel, Father Gabriel Stokes, Rick ,etc.
  • I'm an Agnostic Atheist, but I still say God help me/us occasionally. Just as an expression though.

    Actually, there is a deleted part of the game where if you don't feed Clementine at the motor in, she says, "That's OK, I'll pray for some t

  • I actually liked your Gravatar :/
    Ghost clementine Doesn't fear Walkers
    Onmens posted: »

    I've been getting lots of comments about it, but I didn't think it was actually upsetting people. My apologies, it willl be changed.

  • "Shit times like these actually reinforce people's religious beliefs"
    Well every person is different,
    For example if something like this would happen in the real world it would confirm my belief 100% about gods existence(For me at least since im an athiest)

    "How can the character we interact with(and play as) still believe in God after everything that has happened?" Shit times like these actually reinforce people's religious beliefs. See Morgan, Jacqui, Hershel, Father Gabriel Stokes, Rick ,etc.

  • "For example if something like this would happen in the real world it would confirm my belief 100% about gods existence(For me at least since im an athiest)"

    How so?
    Cazabubu posted: »

    "Shit times like these actually reinforce people's religious beliefs" Well every person is different, For example if something like this

  • It's an Americanism. I don't know about other English speakers, but Americans will use God in all sorts of exclamations.

    Though, in fact, like zombies, God is dead.
  • You're misusing Nietzsche
    Sarangholic posted: »

    It's an Americanism. I don't know about other English speakers, but Americans will use God in all sorts of exclamations. Though, in fact, like zombies, God is dead.

  • Well....
    Since i dont believe in god....i still sometimes question if he might exist...a zombie appocalypse will prove to me he doesn't

    "For example if something like this would happen in the real world it would confirm my belief 100% about gods existence(For me at least since im an athiest)" How so?

  • Aw thanks.

    But I'll gladly sacrifice it for the good of the community. That's just the kind of guy I am. A hero! A bloody icon!

    Yeah yeah I know, it's just an avatar. Shutting up.
    Cazabubu posted: »

    I actually liked your Gravatar :/ Ghost clementine Doesn't fear Walkers

  • A zombie apocalypse would actually prove the bible to be right.
    Cazabubu posted: »

    Well.... Since i dont believe in god....i still sometimes question if he might exist...a zombie appocalypse will prove to me he doesn't

  • I think I'd manage to hold onto my beliefs in the world of TWD. My thinking would be along the lines of, God wouldn't do this, if anything it was the devil, and if anything, God might be the reason why we're alive.
  • edited May 2014
    Misuing yes,

    Correctly use (if my interpretation is correct)

    God is dead, and we killed him.

    Basically, while Christianity supposedly dictates values in Western society, other factors are far more prominent in modern western society. While the majority would call themselves Christian, the supposed values of the religion take a backseat to Enlightenment and (proto-) capitalist beliefs. He's (to my understanding) both the hypocracy of Christianity (IE the priests' as a sort of sublimation of the Will to Power) and the lack of adherence despite supposed belief in modern society.

    You're misusing Nietzsche

  • MrLeeMrLee Banned
    I'm not trying to be mean oke I just don't believe
    MrLee posted: »

    Look at me I use the word God every day and on this forum and I don't believe in him

  • Well....

    "I can't profess to understand God's plan, but Christ promised a resurrection of the dead. I just thought he had something a little different in mind."--Hershel
  • it is a matter of vocuabulary and how you have been taught to speak the language. I still say "wallah" even though i am practically an atheist. It is a matter of habit rather than religion.
  • edited May 2014
    Look, if Alvin died in episode 2, and you talk to Rebecca on the first night at the camp when you first meet Reggie, Clem has the option to comfort Rebecca by saying he is in heaven watching over her and their baby.

    So I'd say it does seem she still believes in something.
    Maybe she'll grow out of it eventually. Who knows.
  • God? no God
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