Would say Kenny killing ******* was right?

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  • That was a well written...however, you have to take down that piece of shit for the group's survival...carver killed that one dude from the roof.... INTENTIONALLY. If carver was "off the hook" you know he'll come back for the group....look what happened that to one black with glasses ...got beaten to death....in the interrogation room (carver's office).

    HE IS NOT HUMAN....

    Forgiving is good...but if it threatens the rest of humanity....yes..he is no different than any walkers among the earth.
    In a sense, you didn't consider some other important factors...
    The real intention of why telltale made us to pick one of the two choice is unknown...but i have a feeling it will affect something in future episodes.

    Alright Porky . In this case I'm calling him William, because that's his first name. For me killing is bad no matter what. No matter h

  • Well judging from you're answer above, you definitely disagree with me. Thanks for the compliment however.

    The one dude's name is Reggie, and I might get hated on, but Carver was right. Reggie was weak. Was killing him necessary? No but it was something. The urban one with glasses is Alvin, and he did not get beaten to death, he was beaten, but not to death.

    He is not human? He looks like a person to me. I don't see any tails, or horns, or leaves sticking out of his arms. He is human, and you have to accept the fact that he is a person.

    In that situation, I would have brought Carver along. Maybe tie his hands, and keep a gun to his head, as you could use him as a hostage to stop his followers from shooting, and making you're escape easier. Then keep him along, make sure he is guarded. He works with the group, and helps out. If he does anything he gets punished, maybe a light beating, or in extremes kill him. He could have killed everybody at the Moonstar Lodge, but he kept them along. He could have just took Rebecca, but he at least brought some people to his camp. He made a speech about forgiveness, and that's the message I'm trying to take in.

    koban4max posted: »

    That was a well written...however, you have to take down that piece of shit for the group's survival...carver killed that one dude from the

  • It's Gary, bro.

    You think being eaten alive by walkers is a better way to die? Dude...

  • Kenny Lost his mind, and as Carlos would say, is NOT to be trusted.

  • Only reason why carver brought them to the camp was to make them slaves.
    So, from what you are saying is it's okay to kill reggie when he is also a PERSON.
    Yes...carver is a person technically...but when killing and beating up for his agenda....neh...he's a monster....figuratively.

    Well judging from you're answer above, you definitely disagree with me. Thanks for the compliment however. The one dude's name is Reggie,

  • Alright. You have you're opinion, I have mine. Say what you want but you aren't convincing me to change my post.

    Sure he made them slaves, but at least he wasn't as crazy enough to kill them all then and there. I never said it was okay to kill Reggie, I said that it wasn't necessary. Obviously something is wrong with Carver, so you can't judge him for being himself. You can call him what you want, but to me he'll still be a person, whether or not you, or others think that is totally up to you. I didn't mean to offend you or anything, I'm just trying to defend my opinion.

    koban4max posted: »

    Only reason why carver brought them to the camp was to make them slaves. So, from what you are saying is it's okay to kill reggie when he i

  • Carver was too dangerous to be kept alive. But the way Kenny killed him was very questionable. (It was too much, and it was about revenge.) I watched as Clem, but I really wish I hadn't after giving it more thought. Especially since the survivors of the cabin group will remember if Clem watched, I'm really worried how it will be affect their view of her and their relationship. I'm so tempted to go back before the next episode and just walk away with the others. But since I want to stay consistent and not change my decisions mid way through, I won't. Just to see what happens.

  • i'm not offended..i'm just debating...friendly debating....
    I was just analyzing what you're telling me that's all...
    Of course you have your opinion and that's fine...(i know we kinda got off topic for a bit).
    but the whole thing was about whether it's justifiable to see and kill the living crap out of carver...

    Alright. You have you're opinion, I have mine. Say what you want but you aren't convincing me to change my post. Sure he made them slaves

  • edited July 2014

    Carver didn't show any mercy to his victims. Why should Kenny?

  • I think a worse punishment would have been Kenny writing a story about carver, where carver's character actually had some development and we got to actually see some lightness AND evil, rather than the 1 dimensional, lame villain that telltale gave us. who cares what kenny did do him?

  • edited July 2014

    The way I see it.

    1st.
    Not everyone is good.
    There are individuals without decency!
    Adolf Hitler for example, was a man who had no decency.
    Hitler was responsible for one of the worst genocides in human history.
    Millions of people lost their lives, all because of Hitler's dream of a "master race," of human beings.

    2nd, on the subject of forgiveness.
    Yes forgiveness is good.
    However, in order to forgive a person, generally they have to have something redeemable about them.
    And as I watched Carver, I could find no redeemable trait in him, or about him.
    My point is, if a person willfully continues in the same kind of hurtful conduct, after seeing full well the harm it does to others, then there is no basis for forgiveness.
    Forgiveness in that case, would be inappropriate.

    3rd.
    I will agree that killing is bad.
    But sometimes it is necessary, even appropriate.
    If a man or woman deliberately commits murder, than the most justifiable thing is for the culprit to be executed.
    Justice is balanced.

    And killing is at times necessary, either in self defense, or in defense of one's family.
    Self defense is NOT a crime.
    NOR is protecting one's family.

    Protecting one's self/ one's family is a GOD-given right.
    ( I do not bring up God, to be disrespectful towards you. I to believe in God).
    How can anyone say they love themselves, or their family, if they are not willing to defend or protect them, violently if necessary?

    Alright Porky . In this case I'm calling him William, because that's his first name. For me killing is bad no matter what. No matter h

  • I think if they let Carver live, it would have been a bad decision. If they let Carver live, he would have quickly reorganized his people and once again start hunting Clementine and the others.

    As the saying goes, when the villain is down, you finish him off. Otherwise he will come back and bite you in the ass.

  • I don't feel he elected, no one else was doing anything I see it as he did the thing no one else wanted to do which would have resulted in Carver chasing them again. I hope i make sense, just friendly talk here

    Rock114 posted: »

    Kenny killing Carver was the right thing to do. That bastard had to die for all the things he'd done, and to prevent him from doing them aga

  • I agree, Kenny's method was very questionable.
    And I admire that you're sticking with your decision to have Clementine watch.
    And see the outcome in episode 4.

    Carver was too dangerous to be kept alive. But the way Kenny killed him was very questionable. (It was too much, and it was about revenge.)

  • edited July 2014

    To quote Christian Bale, in Batman Begins, when Liam Neeson tells him that compassion is a weakness his enemies would not share.
    Bale's response is, " That's why it's so important. It separates us from them."

    I agree Carver deserved to die.
    But not the way Kenny ended him.
    And the fact that Kenny did it in that way, I can't help but feel that's another way that Kenny has changed.

    ralo229 posted: »

    Carver didn't show any mercy to his victims. Why should Kenny?

  • edited July 2014

    That bastard had to be put down but a quick bullet would have suffice. And also, if they didn't waste time bashing his face off they would have had more time to escape resulting in maybe Sarita, Carlos and Sarah to be okay.

  • It was right for Kenny to kill Carver, especially after the beaten he put on him. I do find it funny that everyone thinks it was too "Brutal". The guy was dead by the 2nd or 3rd hit. If anything Kenny took it too easy on him. You want brutal? Tie him to a chair for few hours and torture the shit outta him. If anyone deserves that, it's Carter.

  • "Elected" is a synonym of "chose". As in, Kenny chose to bash his brains in with a crowbar instead of shooting him.

    I don't feel he elected, no one else was doing anything I see it as he did the thing no one else wanted to do which would have resulted in Carver chasing them again. I hope i make sense, just friendly talk here

  • Yeah I realized that after I posted

    Rock114 posted: »

    "Elected" is a synonym of "chose". As in, Kenny chose to bash his brains in with a crowbar instead of shooting him.

  • Ah, apologies then.

    Yeah I realized that after I posted

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    Rock114 posted: »

    Ah, apologies then.

  • edited July 2014

    Fuck I replied to the wrong comment

    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    I agree, Kenny's method was very questionable. And I admire that you're sticking with your decision to have Clementine watch. And see the outcome in episode 4.

  • "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"

    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    To quote Christian Bale, in Batman Begins, when Liam Neeson tells him that compassion is a weakness his enemies would not share. Bale's res

  • He was a threat to civilization, a dictator, and he deserved it even without talking about how corrupted he is, he's also a cold murderer.

  • Carver deserved to die like any murderer would, but I have kind of feel like I would've have just tied him up and left. If killed him, I would've shot him, no torture. No matter how much the person deserves it, torture is nasty. Kenny was right to kill him, because he would have been united and would've come after the group later on, but the way he did it was nasty. Either way, if the option was there to just leave him, I still would.

  • Let's see. He ran his own dictatorship, allowed and forced children to be beaten and he killed anyone who disagreed with him or questioned him. As far as I'm concerned, Kenny killing him was completely justified. Not only that, I was pleased to see Jane kill Troy too.

  • fuck that and damn right he belongs long dead.

  • edited July 2014
    1. That doesn't mean that they deserve to die. Nobody deserves to die, because death is the end of life, and taking life away is pretty bad to me. That person can no longer live anymore, just because they were themselves. Sure they're bad people, but that doesn't mean that death is the answer to all you're problems. Death is absolute, and after someone is dead, they aren't coming back. They are still human, and killing them makes you like them. You could say you killed him to stop the killing, but that still only adds on to the killing. There has to be a more diplomatic, and peaceful way of solving the problem, instead of just killing the person and being done with it.

    Most of the people on this thread have said he deserved it, and that he does need to die. You're points are right, but you guys are taking killing a bit too easily. IE

    Troy hits Clem in the face. Everyone wants him dead.

    Carver kills people, and injures Kenny's eye. Everyone wants him dead.

    Lilly kills Carley, or Doug. People want her dead.

    Bonnie betrays the lodge group. People want her dead.

    Vernon and Co steal the boat. People want them dead.

    Not exactly everyone, but I have seen a lot of threads, and comments of hate towards some of these characters. I haven't seen many comments on defending them.

    2.They don't have to be redeemable. You can forgive them no matter what. Does that mean they will stop committing evil deeds? Probably not, but it's still forgiveness. We have to love our enemy, as we do ourselves. The person may not seek forgiveness, but that doesn't mean we don't.

    1. As I said above there has to be a better answer then killing. You may find it justifiable but I do not. Sadly in the apocalypse, we don't have the option of jail time, so that is why I suggested keeping him hostage as above. They need to make him better. Not change him, just point him in the direction of good doing, and continue to do so.

    Sure killing at times can be necessary. But at that time there was a choice to kill him or not, and Telltale chose to kill him. There was no self defense there. He was unarmed, and Kenny shot both his legs, and bashed his face in with a crowbar. At least a simple shot to the head would have been better. If I was Kenny, I would have just warned him not to come after us, take out his eye, and maybe kick him a bit. But not kill him!

    As I said a bunch of times. Violence cannot be the answer. And this wonderful character, will tell you all about it. This is why he's my avatar. He may not be talking about the same situation, but it still applies, because it is similar.

    Spoilers for The Walking Dead Show Season 2

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpuQjUWPPzA

    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    The way I see it. 1st. Not everyone is good. There are individuals without decency! Adolf Hitler for example, was a man who had no dec

  • yeah i think you used the word Heathen incorrectly, you really should keep your bigotry to yourself..

    My subjective opinion is it was just a barbaric display of savagery. And I think Kenny is a heathen. But, I'll try to separate "right" fr

  • Heathen- "An uncivilized or irreligious person."

    Please keep your ignorance to yourself.

    yeah i think you used the word Heathen incorrectly, you really should keep your bigotry to yourself..

  • Because when Kenny becomes as ruthless and hate filled as Carver, he becomes as uncontrollable and illogical as Carver. Everyone has their moments when they break or can't control themselves from doing or saying something awful. But Kenny still has to be the bigger man, not stoop to the level of Carver. Kenny still has some shred of humanity in him, hopefully. Carver didn't.

    ralo229 posted: »

    Carver didn't show any mercy to his victims. Why should Kenny?

  • edited July 2014

    If Kenny didn't have " a shred of humanity left in him," he wouldn't have taken the rap for that walkie-talkie.
    And subsequently the horrendous beating that followed.

    Kenny still has his humanity.
    If he didn't, he wouldn't have gone to such great lengths to protect Clementine, as he has.
    Nor would he have tried to rescue the group back at the lodge in episode 2.

    These are things that Carver would never have done.
    And don't even get me started about Troy!
    Neither man had any decency in them.

    Because when Kenny becomes as ruthless and hate filled as Carver, he becomes as uncontrollable and illogical as Carver. Everyone has their m

  • Which comment were you meaning to reply to?
    And what were you intending to say, just curious?

    USMC1786 posted: »

    Fuck I replied to the wrong comment

  • edited July 2014

    I agree.
    He fits right in there with Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and Castro.

    AWESOMEO posted: »

    He was a threat to civilization, a dictator, and he deserved it even without talking about how corrupted he is, he's also a cold murderer.

  • Well, let's not take it too far, he's not as bad as Hitler was, but yeah, he deserved to die.

    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    I agree. He fits right in there with Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and Castro.

  • He deserved to die, but his death was not brutal enough.

  • No he should of just shot him in the head not bash him to death.

  • yeah thats not what Heathen means, not being of the 3 monotheistic religious groups Christian, Jewish, or Muslim, does not make one not religious or uncivilized...

    Heathen- "An uncivilized or irreligious person." Please keep your ignorance to yourself.

  • edited July 2014

    A painful execution, however, it has been shown that those who are either tortured publicly/executed, do send a powerful message to others around them.
    It sends the message, "You do such things, these are the consequences."

    If Kenny was looking to make a, "public example," of Carver, than that would be a way to do it.
    Even though Carver's murder was obviously all about revenge.

    Carver deserved to die like any murderer would, but I have kind of feel like I would've have just tied him up and left. If killed him, I wou

  • My only complaint would be not letting Rebecca be the one to do it.

    Of course, I saw no reason for them to not just hurry up and shoot him.

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