I'd side with Luke in the end because I was never a Kenny fan (for numerous reasons) but I have to say, I think BOTH of them are being jerks… more right now. Though in both of their defenses they've lost their families. Kenny lost his wife and son and was never the same, losing Sarita was just the final straw (hence why he's clinging to Rebecca's baby like a life raft) and Luke lost his WHOLE GROUP, the last remaining members died during this episode. Seriously, Luke is the last surviving member of the cabin group (if you don't include Rebecca's baby) so both of them are going through some serious trauma right now. It all depends who can push through all the pain and be there for Clementine (without turning into a non-caring person like Jane) if it's at all possible now.
Agreed. I even did a S1 playthrough where I sided with Kenny on everything. Saved his son, killed Larry, always sided with him against Lilly, always looked after the kids first/gave them food... literally everything I could do that I knew would please him, I did (it was my BFF!Kenny playthrough, I didn't care for him as much as most fans and I wanted to see if playing this way would make me feel more for his character). The only thing I couldn't do was bring myself to kill Ben. He then told me, when I was going after Clem, that there were plenty of times where I hadn't been there for him! Over one thing. I rewound and dropped Ben, and sure enough, he changes his tune and tells me I'm his BFF.
I like Kenny, and I was happy to see him again, but he has some serious anger issues (even before Katjaa and Duck's deaths) that I'd rather not deal with. And after how much he screamed at me, regardless of whether I cut off Sarita's hand or not, I'm not keen to stay with him.
My reason for siding with Luke over Kenny.
When you play a rational Lee in Season 1, (at least my rational Lee) Kenny will abandon you an… mored Clem when you need him most. That was when he was still sane.
Now Kenny is losing it. He is definitely one of my favs from the series, and it's hard to have to choose between him and Luke, but at this point Luke is a safer option for Clem. Especially after his reaction to Saritas death. (But Luke sleeping with Jane was a very stupid thing he did still...)
i personally like Kenny over Luke. Kenny can be harsh and over bearing at times but he only has the groups best interest at heart. On the other hand Luke is more self centered. He puts himself before the group ala getting caught trying to get food, rolling around with Jane while he was suppose to be watching the walkers. Kenny will protect Clem and the baby with his life like he did in Ep.3 i cant say the same for Luke
Yes, Kenny will protect his group by being self centered and indulging in his lust for killing people in an unnecessarily drawn out fashion in situations where it is prudent that they escape as soon as possible.
i personally like Kenny over Luke. Kenny can be harsh and over bearing at times but he only has the groups best interest at heart. On the ot… moreher hand Luke is more self centered. He puts himself before the group ala getting caught trying to get food, rolling around with Jane while he was suppose to be watching the walkers. Kenny will protect Clem and the baby with his life like he did in Ep.3 i cant say the same for Luke
Are people really hating on Kenny for being a meanie after he loses someone close to him (again)? However, they are OK with a guy who lets his best friend go out on his after he took a bullet in the shoulder? Never mind the whole leaving the group in great danger for a little funtime while Rebecca is in labor. They guy literally lets his best friend who was shot go and try and get help instead of doing it himself. Sorry Luke but gun shot to the shoulder> than some broken ribs. Btw those ribs seemed to be OK enough to get it on with Jane. Yet Kenny who was just beat half to death is the bad guy even though he delivers a baby and fights off the hoard with Mike while Luke is taking care of "his needs. " Never mind he had just lost another loved one and was able to snap out of it to save the group and baby. Hes a meanie.
Are you even reading people's reasons for disliking Kenny? It's not just that he's upsetting Clem by telling her it's her fault someone died (which is even more heartbreaking when you remember Clem blames herself for Lee and Omid's deaths), there are plenty of other reasons posted in this very thread.
Are people really hating on Kenny for being a meanie after he loses someone close to him (again)? However, they are OK with a guy who lets h… moreis best friend go out on his after he took a bullet in the shoulder? Never mind the whole leaving the group in great danger for a little funtime while Rebecca is in labor. They guy literally lets his best friend who was shot go and try and get help instead of doing it himself. Sorry Luke but gun shot to the shoulder> than some broken ribs. Btw those ribs seemed to be OK enough to get it on with Jane. Yet Kenny who was just beat half to death is the bad guy even though he delivers a baby and fights off the hoard with Mike while Luke is taking care of "his needs. " Never mind he had just lost another loved one and was able to snap out of it to save the group and baby. Hes a meanie.
Yes, Kenny will protect his group by being self centered and indulging in his lust for killing people in an unnecessarily drawn out fashion in situations where it is prudent that they escape as soon as possible.
Kenny explicitly tells a little girl, who he knows has gone through unspeakable traumas and has lost even more loved ones than he has that i… moret was all her fault that his girlfriend died and never apologizes (except in one very very specific dialogue choice).
He shoots one of Carver's soldiers even after Clem explicitly warns him against it, leading to Walter's senseless death. As Bonnie rightfully says, Carver only killed Walter because "he was protecting his people and Kenny could've killed [them] all."
He puts the entire group at risk by indulging in his murder porn torture fantasy even after everyone tells him several times to just shoot Carver so they can escape. He never acknowledges that said murder porn torture fantasy is the reason they wasted a half dozen precious minutes they could've used to escape, which led to them being caught by Troy, leading to another half dozen minutes wasted.
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Plus, Kenny would have a hard time looking out, no? I mean, he's missing an eye. A walker could easily sneak up on him.
But then again, Luke isn't the nice guy we thought he was. Or at least, what half of us thought he was.
I don't care for them though. I used to be on Luke's side until he fucked Jane and cared more about her leaving than Nick's incident, and Kenny ruined it by yelling "How fucking dare you, Clem?!" and he's starting to lose his mind. He's gonna make that baby his own. It's the second Duck.
So, yeah. They can both die for all I care. :l
In episode 4, both Kenny and Luke lost a lot of respect from me. In the beginning, I felt bad that Kenny blamed me for Sarita's death. I know he was angry but acting like that was a bit too much. On the other hand we have Luke, a dumbass who banged Jane instead of helping the group by being on patrol. At this point, Bonnie and Mike are honestly much better people than Luke or Kenny.
They all have their a*****e moments,but what made me really angry was the fact that if you saved Sarah at the Motor homes no-one seems to care that she was just devoured by walkers down below them later on. Let's get on the topic at hand though,to be honest I would choose Luke over Kenny despite him being one if my favourite characters because Luke is more sane than Kenny,however I would rather leave with Mike and Bonnie.
I was really disturbed whenever we got a shot of the observation deck from afar, because all I could think was "Sarah's brutalized corpse is underneath all that rubble..."
Which is why, even though I'm a fan of Sarah, I honestly think leaving her behind in the trailer was a far more fitting death for her
They all have their a*****e moments,but what made me really angry was the fact that if you saved Sarah at the Motor homes no-one seems to ca… morere that she was just devoured by walkers down below them later on. Let's get on the topic at hand though,to be honest I would choose Luke over Kenny despite him being one if my favourite characters because Luke is more sane than Kenny,however I would rather leave with Mike and Bonnie.
I was really disturbed whenever we got a shot of the observation deck from afar, because all I could think was "Sarah's brutalized corpse is… more underneath all that rubble..."
Which is why, even though I'm a fan of Sarah, I honestly think leaving her behind in the trailer was a far more fitting death for her
btw, I just saw the video of Clem calling Kenny an asshole. I hate him even more now.
Not only did he ignore Sarita's pleas to put her out of her misery because he was in denial and too concerned about his own desires to give her the mercy she wanted, he completely refuses to talk to Clem after she told him about Lee. "Don't act like you're the only one who's lost people!" His response? "I don't need to hear this shit." What shit? You're not even going to acknowledge the fact that the little girl you supposedly care about is nearly breaking down right behind you, telling you you're not special and that she's suffered just as much as you?
The way I see it, Kenny never loved Sarita; the people who said she was nothing more than Katjaa's replacement were right. If he had truly cared about Sarita, he would have ended her suffering when she asked him too, not force her to die a slow and painful death because of his own selfish hopes.
Kenny explicitly tells a little girl, who he knows has gone through unspeakable traumas and has lost even more loved ones than he has that i… moret was all her fault that his girlfriend died and never apologizes (except in one very very specific dialogue choice).
He shoots one of Carver's soldiers even after Clem explicitly warns him against it, leading to Walter's senseless death. As Bonnie rightfully says, Carver only killed Walter because "he was protecting his people and Kenny could've killed [them] all."
He puts the entire group at risk by indulging in his murder porn torture fantasy even after everyone tells him several times to just shoot Carver so they can escape. He never acknowledges that said murder porn torture fantasy is the reason they wasted a half dozen precious minutes they could've used to escape, which led to them being caught by Troy, leading to another half dozen minutes wasted.
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Kenny explicitly tells a little girl, who he knows has gone through unspeakable traumas and has lost even more loved ones than he has that i… moret was all her fault that his girlfriend died and never apologizes (except in one very very specific dialogue choice).
He shoots one of Carver's soldiers even after Clem explicitly warns him against it, leading to Walter's senseless death. As Bonnie rightfully says, Carver only killed Walter because "he was protecting his people and Kenny could've killed [them] all."
He puts the entire group at risk by indulging in his murder porn torture fantasy even after everyone tells him several times to just shoot Carver so they can escape. He never acknowledges that said murder porn torture fantasy is the reason they wasted a half dozen precious minutes they could've used to escape, which led to them being caught by Troy, leading to another half dozen minutes wasted.
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That's strange that Kenny wouldn't help you at the end of S1 based of the decision with Ben. My S1 play through I did the same thing. I sided on everything with him but refused to kill Ben and Kenny was still by BFF. I think I read somewhere that its not just the big decisions that effect if he goes with you. Like giving his son and wife food and other niceties throughout the season. You do the small things plus agreeing on all but one big thing and it works out. I really didn't want to kill Lilly's dad in the meat locker but on my second play through I knew I'd rather have the option to disagree about Ben than to disagree in the meat locker.
But I feel like S1 was all about pleasing Kenny even if you didn't want to. Like I said, you had to agree about everything (with the exception of one choice) and constantly favor his family or he won't help you. I feel like this season is the same. You are being pushed to side with Kenny or lose his friendship. Healthy friendships don't mean going along with everything your friend says just to appease them...
Agreed. I even did a S1 playthrough where I sided with Kenny on everything. Saved his son, killed Larry, always sided with him against Lilly… more, always looked after the kids first/gave them food... literally everything I could do that I knew would please him, I did (it was my BFF!Kenny playthrough, I didn't care for him as much as most fans and I wanted to see if playing this way would make me feel more for his character). The only thing I couldn't do was bring myself to kill Ben. He then told me, when I was going after Clem, that there were plenty of times where I hadn't been there for him! Over one thing. I rewound and dropped Ben, and sure enough, he changes his tune and tells me I'm his BFF.
I like Kenny, and I was happy to see him again, but he has some serious anger issues (even before Katjaa and Duck's deaths) that I'd rather not deal with. And after how much he screamed at me, regardless of whether I cut off Sarita's hand or not, I'm not keen to stay with him.
Kenny has turned crazy no doubt. But he still helps the group. Luke is too weak. The others are followers. Kenny and Clem are leaders. i'll pick Kenny over anyone. Maybe one day Clem will have to kill him, But for now he is sane enough. He was mad because Sarita died. He has lost a lot and so has Clem but Clem can control her emotions. Kenny can't. That's the only difference.
Kenny explicitly tells a little girl, who he knows has gone through unspeakable traumas and has lost even more loved ones than he has that i… moret was all her fault that his girlfriend died and never apologizes (except in one very very specific dialogue choice).
He shoots one of Carver's soldiers even after Clem explicitly warns him against it, leading to Walter's senseless death. As Bonnie rightfully says, Carver only killed Walter because "he was protecting his people and Kenny could've killed [them] all."
He puts the entire group at risk by indulging in his murder porn torture fantasy even after everyone tells him several times to just shoot Carver so they can escape. He never acknowledges that said murder porn torture fantasy is the reason they wasted a half dozen precious minutes they could've used to escape, which led to them being caught by Troy, leading to another half dozen minutes wasted.
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Kenny says some harsh things... so that means you shouldn't side with him? Seems like really odd reasoning. Especially since some of those things were fair/needed to be said (with the exception of what he said to Clem).
He is definitely wrong in blaming Clem up Sarita's death, but he says that in a moment of despair. He completely drops it and and treats Clem like he always does for the rest of the episode.
Actually, they were nearly completely out of supplies. Staying put any longer almost certainly would have resulted in ALL of them being too… more weak to keep moving, Kenny was right in that situation. Which is saying a lot considering most of his plans have plenty of flaws, but that one was the best option they had.
And keep in mind Kenny has gotten more fucked by the world than most people and only asked for some time alone, which Clementine didn't give him. She knew he was immensely upset and still tried to talk to him. Speaking of which, does anyone know what happens if you don't say anything to Kenny the whole conversation?
I'm not defending Kenny's actions, he was wrong to take out his anger on Clementine, but he DID tell her to leave him be and he had plenty of reason to be mad at the world. Also keep in mind he nearly got beat to death for Clementine's sake without even so much as a second thought too and still did his best to he… [view original content]
Okay, I'm gonna share a bit of my personal background with my fellow Walking Dead Fans.
My least favorite thing about Kenny was how he reacted to Clem in this episode, and how he reacted to Lee in a similar emotionally intense situation. I get that people get mad and scream and lash out. And especially when someone is responsible for said anger or just someone close by that they can lash out at.
Kenny reminds me of my dad. Screaming and yelling and lashing out. It's so unsettling for me to have watched Kenny yell at Clem. She was just a kid. And honestly, my dad did the same thing to me when I was a kid. Kenny reminds me of my dad.
Another little something about me and how the Walking Dead is impacting my real life decision making. In the past few months I've been deciding something about the type of man I want to marry in the future. (I'm a woman, btw.) my mother told me about two different types if men and I know there are more types out there, but here's the deal. There are nice, good guys out there who seem great but can be pretty damn flakey when it comes to the hard times. Then there's men out there who are manly men who are rough, strong and decisive men. The downside is that they can be mean, damn mean and borderline abusive. It's like choosing between Luke and Kenny. Kindness v. Safety. I know this is pretty personal, but because this parallel has been in the walking dead it's helped me decide between who I want for myself as a woman.
I want a kind man who might be flakey. Why? Because I need to take care of myself, and I can. Luke is the flakey guy, and Clem is a strong girl who can make it on her own.
Kenny explicitly tells a little girl, who he knows has gone through unspeakable traumas and has lost even more loved ones than he has that it was all her fault that his girlfriend died and never apologizes (except in one very very specific dialogue choice).
Is this not understandable? His lover was just torn apart in front of his eyes. It wasn't right for him to blame Clem, but the man was completely distraught. It would be one thing if he held onto the hate, but he clearly doesn't as he treats Clem well for the rest of the episode.
He shoots one of Carver's soldiers even after Clem explicitly warns him against it, leading to Walter's senseless death. As Bonnie rightfully says, Carver only killed Walter because "he was protecting his people and Kenny could've killed [them] all."
How was Kenny to know what Carver's intentions were? As far as he knew, Carver could have just executed everyone after they had given up.
Bonnie's quote doesn't really justify their actions. I mean.. her group was capturing the other members of the group and holding them at gunpoint, while torturing another man inside the cabin. They more than gave Kenny a reason to shoot at them.
He puts the entire group at risk by indulging in his murder porn torture fantasy even after everyone tells him several times to just shoot Carver so they can escape. He never acknowledges that said murder porn torture fantasy is the reason they wasted a half dozen precious minutes they could've used to escape, which led to them being caught by Troy, leading to another half dozen minutes wasted.
What do you mean by "murder porn torture fantasy"? It was simple revenge from a guy who got his eye crushed and nearly got beaten to death. You have a point that it cost the group a few minutes, though not everyone was telling him to just shoot Carver and move on.
The group could've been long gone before Tavia and co. showed up, meaning Carlos and Nick wouldn't have been shot, Sarah wouldn't have completely broken down (leading to her death) and Sarita wouldn't have been bitten. An incident which, once again, Kenny places the entirety of the blame on Clem and refuses to take responsibility for himself. Repeat of Ben much? Not to mention, with Carlos alive, the birth would have gone much smoother and Rebecca would've had a far greater chance of survival.
You're assuming everything would have been smooth sailing if the group would have left a few minutes sooner? That's just a silly thing to assume. You can't play the "what if" game when there is no reasonable way we can speculate as to what would have happened. And when you think about it, even with Kenny taking an extra few minutes to kill Carver, HE was the one who took action while everyone else was arguing what to do with him. He was the one who made the decision to kill him. How many extra minutes would have been wasted if Kenny had just let them argue amongst themselves on how to handle another man's life? If Luke had it his way, the group would have tied Carver up somewhere. That decision would have easily taken as long as what Kenny did, if not more so.
Kenny's decision is not even comparable to anything Ben did.
This entire season, Kenny had been a reckless, irresponsible, myopic asshole who has put Clementine at risk so many times it would put Ben to shame. Lee would not have approved in the least.
He has not been reckless at all really. I would say the only truly reckless thing he ever tried to do was his escape plan back in the truck at the start of episode three. His actions of revenge against Carver could have potentially led to some bad outcomes, but we don't know this and we have no way to speculate.
Where does he ever put Clem at risk? I seriously can't think of a single example.
Taking a beating for her was just about the only thing Lee would've been remotely proud of, except I seriously doubt Carver would have even done anything that horrible to Clem had she given back the walkie. He liked her, remember? Thought she would be the future of his community, especially if you pretended to side with him.
Whether you have your doubts that Carver would have beaten Clem is irrelevant. Kenny personally had zero way of knowing that Carver liked her. And even if it Carver wouldn't have hurt Clem, it doesn't take away from Kenny's actions what so ever.
Kenny explicitly tells a little girl, who he knows has gone through unspeakable traumas and has lost even more loved ones than he has that i… moret was all her fault that his girlfriend died and never apologizes (except in one very very specific dialogue choice).
He shoots one of Carver's soldiers even after Clem explicitly warns him against it, leading to Walter's senseless death. As Bonnie rightfully says, Carver only killed Walter because "he was protecting his people and Kenny could've killed [them] all."
He puts the entire group at risk by indulging in his murder porn torture fantasy even after everyone tells him several times to just shoot Carver so they can escape. He never acknowledges that said murder porn torture fantasy is the reason they wasted a half dozen precious minutes they could've used to escape, which led to them being caught by Troy, leading to another half dozen minutes wasted.
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Its Brie's own fault that she was not paying attention. And I mean really, do you really expect Kenny not to react to Ben saying: "Oh by the way Kenny, It was my fault that your wife and kid died. Just sayin'". Obvioiusly emotions got the best of him there, but that could have happened with anyone in that situation. Put yourself in Kenny's shoes. How confident are you that you wouldn't blow up on the guy just like Kenny did? Plus almost everyone was as much a part of the Kenny-Ben issue as Kenny was. They were partaking in the discussion, and even decided to put votes down on the issue.
You can't argue that Kenny got Carlos killed. You can't just assume that Carlos would have survived if the group would have left the building a few minutes earlier. There are too many "what ifs". Plus Kenny was the one who made a decision on what to do with Carver in the first place. How long would everyone else have gone on debating either side if he had not chosen to take things into his own hands? Again, we don't know either way, so it's just silly to argue either way.
As for bashing the walkers head in repeatedly, that didn't matter. It didn't put anyone in danger. Everyone else was already out of harms way. He personally just decided to stay back a little longer and take some some anger out on a dead walker.
Wasting time is what Kenny's best at. Getting Brie killed at Crawford so he could have it out with Ben, getting Carlos killed so that he cou… moreld kick Carver's head in, and smashing one zombie repeatedly while a horde is closing on their encampment. He's way too much of a liability. I really hoped that he wouldn't even make an appearance in Season 2.
Yes, I expect Kenny to have a sense of the moment. Ben didn't murder his wife and kid. Ben did something stupid that may well have indirectly caused Kenny's wife and kid to eventually die, and he felt guilty over it, when it probably wasn't his fault, anyway. Ben didn't personally kill them or anything. And it's not like they had just died.
Its Brie's own fault that she was not paying attention. And I mean really, do you really expect Kenny not to react to Ben saying: "Oh by the… more way Kenny, It was my fault that your wife and kid died. Just sayin'". Obvioiusly emotions got the best of him there, but that could have happened with anyone in that situation. Put yourself in Kenny's shoes. How confident are you that you wouldn't blow up on the guy just like Kenny did? Plus almost everyone was as much a part of the Kenny-Ben issue as Kenny was. They were partaking in the discussion, and even decided to put votes down on the issue.
You can't argue that Kenny got Carlos killed. You can't just assume that Carlos would have survived if the group would have left the building a few minutes earlier. There are too many "what ifs". Plus Kenny was the one who made a decision on what to do with Carver in the first place. How long would everyone else have gone on debating either side if he had n… [view original content]
They had died a little more than a day ago, right? That isn't really enough time to for sure come to terms with what happened, especially given the circumstances of how it happened. And yes, Ben didn't directly kill them, but he was the one who brought about the danger that did... so I would say Kenny (or anyone really) would definitely have a reason to feel extremely angry with him. And I would say it was to the extent that it momentarily caused him to lose track of the urgency of the moment. I think realistically, this was an understandable thing.
Yes, I expect Kenny to have a sense of the moment. Ben didn't murder his wife and kid. Ben did something stupid that may well have indirectl… morey caused Kenny's wife and kid to eventually die, and he felt guilty over it, when it probably wasn't his fault, anyway. Ben didn't personally kill them or anything. And it's not like they had just died.
The only thing I can think of is that, when Clementine said she didn't want to steal from the station wagon, I abstained. If it's true that you can only disagree on one big decision, then that must have been what caused my result.
It honestly felt like so much work to please Kenny enough to be your friend. I understand he's been through a lot, but even before he lost his family, he's very quick to get angry with you. Plus, he's a tattletale! He'll tell the whole group whether you killed that girl or not in Macon to distract walkers, and then he blabs that I "was a man" and killed Ben, which really upset Clementine.
That's strange that Kenny wouldn't help you at the end of S1 based of the decision with Ben. My S1 play through I did the same thing. I side… mored on everything with him but refused to kill Ben and Kenny was still by BFF. I think I read somewhere that its not just the big decisions that effect if he goes with you. Like giving his son and wife food and other niceties throughout the season. You do the small things plus agreeing on all but one big thing and it works out. I really didn't want to kill Lilly's dad in the meat locker but on my second play through I knew I'd rather have the option to disagree about Ben than to disagree in the meat locker.
But I feel like S1 was all about pleasing Kenny even if you didn't want to. Like I said, you had to agree about everything (with the exception of one choice) and constantly favor his family or he won't help you. I feel like this season is the same. You are being pushed to side with Kenny or lose his f… [view original content]
Um, if you try to save Sarita, he'll scream obscenities at you and then leave you in the middle of a horde to fend for yourself. When you catch up to him later, he refuses to help anyone until Rebecca's water breaks. Not Kenny-bashing, just trying to give you some perspective.
This Luke vs. Kenny garbage is ridiculous. Both are flawed, that's what makes them relate-able and interesting. It's natural that people are going to like one over the other, and no amount of arguing will change another person's mind on who they prefer, especially not via character bashing.
You would fuck them, with children's lives in danger, a pregnant woman giving birth, and more so you could have 2 minutes of fun? (If you wo… moreuld last that long) sorry... I'm talking about Luke not being perfect like most people are acting like he is...
If I'm faced with having a choice between Luke or Kenny, I believe I would choose Luke. I like Kenny. I think he's a tough and passionate guy who is very protective, but I feel like he's very possessive and just too mentally unstable at this point. I'm also afraid that his eye is going to get infected, and would die sooner rather than later. Luke, on the other hand, seems more concerned over being kind and doing the most moral thing (minus sleeping with Jane, but honestly, I don't blame him for doing that. He had just lost his best friend, Jane offered, etc.). I feel like Luke has leadership skills, but unlike Kenny, who seems to be constantly barking orders or complaining, he is more of a laid back type of leader who has a better ability to roll with the punches. That's just my opinion. If I could, I'd probably pick Mike and Bonnie over Luke....I'm sure TT isn't going to make that an option though.
you're important to him so long as you stay on his good side
This badly bothered me in S1, and it's still bothering me now in S2. I care about Kenny, but I'm not emotionally attached to him. His friendship is too easily withdrawn.
Just said this in another thread but it's pretty much my response here too:
I'll still go with Luke over Kenny, though he lost a lot of p… moreoints with me this episode. Kenny's loyalty shifts too easily, you're important to him so long as you stay on his good side, and he's definitely going to be focused on that baby at the expense of everything else. Plus, he's slowly but surely going off the deep-end as a result of the trauma conga line he's gone through. Luke's cracking himself, but not to the same extent at all. I can deal with his coping through occasional bouts of dumbassery better than I can Kenny's violence and rage.
They had died a little more than a day ago, right? That isn't really enough time to for sure come to terms with what happened, especially gi… moreven the circumstances of how it happened. And yes, Ben didn't directly kill them, but he was the one who brought about the danger that did... so I would say Kenny (or anyone really) would definitely have a reason to feel extremely angry with him. And I would say it was to the extent that it momentarily caused him to lose track of the urgency of the moment. I think realistically, this was an understandable thing.
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Agreed. They screwed with Luke's character this time, but given how quick tempered and unstable Kenny is, it still makes him more "safe" of a person.
Agreed. I even did a S1 playthrough where I sided with Kenny on everything. Saved his son, killed Larry, always sided with him against Lilly, always looked after the kids first/gave them food... literally everything I could do that I knew would please him, I did (it was my BFF!Kenny playthrough, I didn't care for him as much as most fans and I wanted to see if playing this way would make me feel more for his character). The only thing I couldn't do was bring myself to kill Ben. He then told me, when I was going after Clem, that there were plenty of times where I hadn't been there for him! Over one thing. I rewound and dropped Ben, and sure enough, he changes his tune and tells me I'm his BFF.
I like Kenny, and I was happy to see him again, but he has some serious anger issues (even before Katjaa and Duck's deaths) that I'd rather not deal with. And after how much he screamed at me, regardless of whether I cut off Sarita's hand or not, I'm not keen to stay with him.
i personally like Kenny over Luke. Kenny can be harsh and over bearing at times but he only has the groups best interest at heart. On the other hand Luke is more self centered. He puts himself before the group ala getting caught trying to get food, rolling around with Jane while he was suppose to be watching the walkers. Kenny will protect Clem and the baby with his life like he did in Ep.3 i cant say the same for Luke
Yes, Kenny will protect his group by being self centered and indulging in his lust for killing people in an unnecessarily drawn out fashion in situations where it is prudent that they escape as soon as possible.
Are people really hating on Kenny for being a meanie after he loses someone close to him (again)? However, they are OK with a guy who lets his best friend go out on his after he took a bullet in the shoulder? Never mind the whole leaving the group in great danger for a little funtime while Rebecca is in labor. They guy literally lets his best friend who was shot go and try and get help instead of doing it himself. Sorry Luke but gun shot to the shoulder> than some broken ribs. Btw those ribs seemed to be OK enough to get it on with Jane. Yet Kenny who was just beat half to death is the bad guy even though he delivers a baby and fights off the hoard with Mike while Luke is taking care of "his needs. " Never mind he had just lost another loved one and was able to snap out of it to save the group and baby. Hes a meanie.
Are you even reading people's reasons for disliking Kenny? It's not just that he's upsetting Clem by telling her it's her fault someone died (which is even more heartbreaking when you remember Clem blames herself for Lee and Omid's deaths), there are plenty of other reasons posted in this very thread.
what have luke done for the group? has he done more then kenny to help the group? Usually luke never comes through for clem and the group.
Someone give this man a prize.
Good to know im not the only one who feels like that
What does Luke have to do with anything? Screw both him and Kenny.
Plus, Kenny would have a hard time looking out, no? I mean, he's missing an eye. A walker could easily sneak up on him.
But then again, Luke isn't the nice guy we thought he was. Or at least, what half of us thought he was.
I don't care for them though. I used to be on Luke's side until he fucked Jane and cared more about her leaving than Nick's incident, and Kenny ruined it by yelling "How fucking dare you, Clem?!" and he's starting to lose his mind. He's gonna make that baby his own. It's the second Duck.
So, yeah. They can both die for all I care. :l
In episode 4, both Kenny and Luke lost a lot of respect from me. In the beginning, I felt bad that Kenny blamed me for Sarita's death. I know he was angry but acting like that was a bit too much. On the other hand we have Luke, a dumbass who banged Jane instead of helping the group by being on patrol. At this point, Bonnie and Mike are honestly much better people than Luke or Kenny.
They all have their a*****e moments,but what made me really angry was the fact that if you saved Sarah at the Motor homes no-one seems to care that she was just devoured by walkers down below them later on. Let's get on the topic at hand though,to be honest I would choose Luke over Kenny despite him being one if my favourite characters because Luke is more sane than Kenny,however I would rather leave with Mike and Bonnie.
I was really disturbed whenever we got a shot of the observation deck from afar, because all I could think was "Sarah's brutalized corpse is underneath all that rubble..."
Which is why, even though I'm a fan of Sarah, I honestly think leaving her behind in the trailer was a far more fitting death for her
At least she doesn't have to suffer anymore.
btw, I just saw the video of Clem calling Kenny an asshole. I hate him even more now.
Not only did he ignore Sarita's pleas to put her out of her misery because he was in denial and too concerned about his own desires to give her the mercy she wanted, he completely refuses to talk to Clem after she told him about Lee. "Don't act like you're the only one who's lost people!" His response? "I don't need to hear this shit." What shit? You're not even going to acknowledge the fact that the little girl you supposedly care about is nearly breaking down right behind you, telling you you're not special and that she's suffered just as much as you?
The way I see it, Kenny never loved Sarita; the people who said she was nothing more than Katjaa's replacement were right. If he had truly cared about Sarita, he would have ended her suffering when she asked him too, not force her to die a slow and painful death because of his own selfish hopes.
I just realized that Sarah's death was more painful and drawn out than Carver's, who pretty much died instantly. What the fuck.
Could you qoute that specific dialogue? I would like to hear/read that.
That's strange that Kenny wouldn't help you at the end of S1 based of the decision with Ben. My S1 play through I did the same thing. I sided on everything with him but refused to kill Ben and Kenny was still by BFF. I think I read somewhere that its not just the big decisions that effect if he goes with you. Like giving his son and wife food and other niceties throughout the season. You do the small things plus agreeing on all but one big thing and it works out. I really didn't want to kill Lilly's dad in the meat locker but on my second play through I knew I'd rather have the option to disagree about Ben than to disagree in the meat locker.
But I feel like S1 was all about pleasing Kenny even if you didn't want to. Like I said, you had to agree about everything (with the exception of one choice) and constantly favor his family or he won't help you. I feel like this season is the same. You are being pushed to side with Kenny or lose his friendship. Healthy friendships don't mean going along with everything your friend says just to appease them...
Thank you. Good one, TellTale.
Kenny has turned crazy no doubt. But he still helps the group. Luke is too weak. The others are followers. Kenny and Clem are leaders. i'll pick Kenny over anyone. Maybe one day Clem will have to kill him, But for now he is sane enough. He was mad because Sarita died. He has lost a lot and so has Clem but Clem can control her emotions. Kenny can't. That's the only difference.
Hey, he lashed out a Lee too back in season one in a similar situation, but it doesn't exactly mean he hated him.
It's just Kenny being Kenny.
Screw them both.
At this point, the Pizza's molded, the Ice Cream's melted, and that Raccoon Tail is looking more delicious by the minute.
Kenny says some harsh things... so that means you shouldn't side with him? Seems like really odd reasoning. Especially since some of those things were fair/needed to be said (with the exception of what he said to Clem).
He is definitely wrong in blaming Clem up Sarita's death, but he says that in a moment of despair. He completely drops it and and treats Clem like he always does for the rest of the episode.
I would side with Mike or Bonnie if i had the chance.. Kenny's unstable and Luke are an asshole to some people.
if you let him talk he will soften up. and buy some dialogue option you can have clementine looks at kenny's eye
Okay, I'm gonna share a bit of my personal background with my fellow Walking Dead Fans.
My least favorite thing about Kenny was how he reacted to Clem in this episode, and how he reacted to Lee in a similar emotionally intense situation. I get that people get mad and scream and lash out. And especially when someone is responsible for said anger or just someone close by that they can lash out at.
Kenny reminds me of my dad. Screaming and yelling and lashing out. It's so unsettling for me to have watched Kenny yell at Clem. She was just a kid. And honestly, my dad did the same thing to me when I was a kid. Kenny reminds me of my dad.
Another little something about me and how the Walking Dead is impacting my real life decision making. In the past few months I've been deciding something about the type of man I want to marry in the future. (I'm a woman, btw.) my mother told me about two different types if men and I know there are more types out there, but here's the deal. There are nice, good guys out there who seem great but can be pretty damn flakey when it comes to the hard times. Then there's men out there who are manly men who are rough, strong and decisive men. The downside is that they can be mean, damn mean and borderline abusive. It's like choosing between Luke and Kenny. Kindness v. Safety. I know this is pretty personal, but because this parallel has been in the walking dead it's helped me decide between who I want for myself as a woman.
I want a kind man who might be flakey. Why? Because I need to take care of myself, and I can. Luke is the flakey guy, and Clem is a strong girl who can make it on her own.
Extremely personal opinion over.
Is this not understandable? His lover was just torn apart in front of his eyes. It wasn't right for him to blame Clem, but the man was completely distraught. It would be one thing if he held onto the hate, but he clearly doesn't as he treats Clem well for the rest of the episode.
How was Kenny to know what Carver's intentions were? As far as he knew, Carver could have just executed everyone after they had given up.
Bonnie's quote doesn't really justify their actions. I mean.. her group was capturing the other members of the group and holding them at gunpoint, while torturing another man inside the cabin. They more than gave Kenny a reason to shoot at them.
What do you mean by "murder porn torture fantasy"? It was simple revenge from a guy who got his eye crushed and nearly got beaten to death. You have a point that it cost the group a few minutes, though not everyone was telling him to just shoot Carver and move on.
You're assuming everything would have been smooth sailing if the group would have left a few minutes sooner? That's just a silly thing to assume. You can't play the "what if" game when there is no reasonable way we can speculate as to what would have happened. And when you think about it, even with Kenny taking an extra few minutes to kill Carver, HE was the one who took action while everyone else was arguing what to do with him. He was the one who made the decision to kill him. How many extra minutes would have been wasted if Kenny had just let them argue amongst themselves on how to handle another man's life? If Luke had it his way, the group would have tied Carver up somewhere. That decision would have easily taken as long as what Kenny did, if not more so.
Kenny's decision is not even comparable to anything Ben did.
He has not been reckless at all really. I would say the only truly reckless thing he ever tried to do was his escape plan back in the truck at the start of episode three. His actions of revenge against Carver could have potentially led to some bad outcomes, but we don't know this and we have no way to speculate.
Where does he ever put Clem at risk? I seriously can't think of a single example.
Whether you have your doubts that Carver would have beaten Clem is irrelevant. Kenny personally had zero way of knowing that Carver liked her. And even if it Carver wouldn't have hurt Clem, it doesn't take away from Kenny's actions what so ever.
You deserve a cookie.
Its Brie's own fault that she was not paying attention. And I mean really, do you really expect Kenny not to react to Ben saying: "Oh by the way Kenny, It was my fault that your wife and kid died. Just sayin'". Obvioiusly emotions got the best of him there, but that could have happened with anyone in that situation. Put yourself in Kenny's shoes. How confident are you that you wouldn't blow up on the guy just like Kenny did? Plus almost everyone was as much a part of the Kenny-Ben issue as Kenny was. They were partaking in the discussion, and even decided to put votes down on the issue.
You can't argue that Kenny got Carlos killed. You can't just assume that Carlos would have survived if the group would have left the building a few minutes earlier. There are too many "what ifs". Plus Kenny was the one who made a decision on what to do with Carver in the first place. How long would everyone else have gone on debating either side if he had not chosen to take things into his own hands? Again, we don't know either way, so it's just silly to argue either way.
As for bashing the walkers head in repeatedly, that didn't matter. It didn't put anyone in danger. Everyone else was already out of harms way. He personally just decided to stay back a little longer and take some some anger out on a dead walker.
Yes, I expect Kenny to have a sense of the moment. Ben didn't murder his wife and kid. Ben did something stupid that may well have indirectly caused Kenny's wife and kid to eventually die, and he felt guilty over it, when it probably wasn't his fault, anyway. Ben didn't personally kill them or anything. And it's not like they had just died.
I SHALL SIDE WITH MIKE AND BONNIE.
I pick the choices I want.
They had died a little more than a day ago, right? That isn't really enough time to for sure come to terms with what happened, especially given the circumstances of how it happened. And yes, Ben didn't directly kill them, but he was the one who brought about the danger that did... so I would say Kenny (or anyone really) would definitely have a reason to feel extremely angry with him. And I would say it was to the extent that it momentarily caused him to lose track of the urgency of the moment. I think realistically, this was an understandable thing.
The only thing I can think of is that, when Clementine said she didn't want to steal from the station wagon, I abstained. If it's true that you can only disagree on one big decision, then that must have been what caused my result.
It honestly felt like so much work to please Kenny enough to be your friend. I understand he's been through a lot, but even before he lost his family, he's very quick to get angry with you. Plus, he's a tattletale! He'll tell the whole group whether you killed that girl or not in Macon to distract walkers, and then he blabs that I "was a man" and killed Ben, which really upset Clementine.
Um, if you try to save Sarita, he'll scream obscenities at you and then leave you in the middle of a horde to fend for yourself. When you catch up to him later, he refuses to help anyone until Rebecca's water breaks. Not Kenny-bashing, just trying to give you some perspective.
This Luke vs. Kenny garbage is ridiculous. Both are flawed, that's what makes them relate-able and interesting. It's natural that people are going to like one over the other, and no amount of arguing will change another person's mind on who they prefer, especially not via character bashing.
Luke followed them to Carver's camp, days without sleep or food. Of course he's going to try to get a little something to eat.
If I'm faced with having a choice between Luke or Kenny, I believe I would choose Luke. I like Kenny. I think he's a tough and passionate guy who is very protective, but I feel like he's very possessive and just too mentally unstable at this point. I'm also afraid that his eye is going to get infected, and would die sooner rather than later. Luke, on the other hand, seems more concerned over being kind and doing the most moral thing (minus sleeping with Jane, but honestly, I don't blame him for doing that. He had just lost his best friend, Jane offered, etc.). I feel like Luke has leadership skills, but unlike Kenny, who seems to be constantly barking orders or complaining, he is more of a laid back type of leader who has a better ability to roll with the punches. That's just my opinion. If I could, I'd probably pick Mike and Bonnie over Luke....I'm sure TT isn't going to make that an option though.
This badly bothered me in S1, and it's still bothering me now in S2. I care about Kenny, but I'm not emotionally attached to him. His friendship is too easily withdrawn.
Yet still evidence that Kenny is unreliable and as often a detriment as an asset. Understandable or not, it's still stupid and inexcusable.