I've only been on this forum for like a few days and it's completely obvious to me that you'll never get anywhere with Belan on the subject of Kenny. They completely stan for him beyond all reason. lmao
Yeah I'll leave it at that, cause I think we've already quite exhausted this topic
I just hadn't really considered this before reading you… morer discussion (so he clearly isn't growing that stale on me - or I just hadn't notice on account of the hate-fog I see :P)
And you're right - subjective as hell
Also to say Kenny lost the person he loved and cared about blah blah.
Larry Loved Lilly, he was an asshole but they loved each other. Kenny still murdered Larry.
Clementine Loved her parents they're both zombies.
Ben didn't even get to see his family at all and his little sister. ALL HIS FRIENDS died in front of him and the others were kidnapped by bandits and likely tortured (if you threaten ben on the train, and from what we learn from Jolene).
Kenny also can indirectly cause the death of ALVIN due to his apathy and selfishness in S2 EP 1. Alvin had a WIFE and an Unborn CHILD.
Kenny had every right to blame Clementine in this situation. She did it in a hurry and with good intentions, but that doesn't make it any le… moress wrong. Kenny just lost the person he loved and cared about (again) and Clementine was the main reason for this. Even if you didn't cut her arm off, without Clementine, Kenny and Sarita would still live a somewhat happy life at the ski lodge and all of this would have never happened.
S1: Kenny meets group, self appoints himself as leader, argues with group, makes ridiculous plan, ignores everyone's concerns and dismissed them and calls them stupid if they don't agree with him, shit blows up in his face because he didn't think things through, blames everyone else, repeat
S2: Kenny meets group, self appoints himself as leader, argues with group, makes ridiculous plan, ignores everyone's concerns and dismissed them and calls them stupid if they don't agree with him, shit blows up in his face because he didn't think things through, blames everyone else, repeat
What the fuck did I just read? Kenny is one of the most well written character of this game, he is so complex.
Loving or hating him, you … moregot to admit that he is the most important character of this game excluding the 2 protagonists. Kenny and Clementine are the characters that appears the most in this series, they still alive since the first episode of the first season, he is such amazing written and performed as she is.
You seriously need some screenplay classes.
Okay, let's see.. Hate Larry, Yes.. He tried to kill Lee even after Lee risked his life and put down his own brother just to save Larry.
Kenny isnt a Saint either, I never said he was.. Kenny is very single minded in only wanting to protect his family. I sided with Kenny from the start, I agree'd with the Boat plan, so Kenny never left me, he helped me in the pharmacy and he came with me to find Clem.
Kenny wanted me to drop Ben in the bell tower, I wanted to drop Ben from the bell tower, so again, had nothing to do with Kenny and after all that Ben caused, I felt it was the wisest option.
As for not wanting to stop the train, of course Kenny was in a state of denial, not wanting to accept the fact that his son was going to die. Who would simply accept that and kill their own son without some degree of hesitation? That's why we had that scene where Lee convinced Kenny it was time to stop the train and deal with Duck.
So what about Carlo's and Alvin, they wern't Sarita and as we all know Kenny is about saving those closest to him, not some new strangers that just showed up and had a madman like Carver following them. It's because of Carlo's and Luke's group that Carver showed up in the first place.
I will admit, I too was slightly nervouse of what Kenny may do to Clem after cutting off Sarita's arm, but he reacted as anyone would in that situation and as we all saw, Kenny still kinda got over it, or at leaste was able to put it behind him long enough to help Rebecca with the baby.
I guess we played the game with some different choices and different points of view because where Kenny left you to die, he came and helped me.
You can hate Larry all you want but Kenny is far from a saint either. Larry never makes an attempt on your life after that wheras:
-Kenny… more chooses to Not help you and leaves you to fend for yourself when you return to the Everett Pharmacy in the beginning of Episode 3.
-Kenny initially wanted to abandon Ben to die
-Kenny was willing to put everyone in danger with a reanimated duck because he refused to stop the train through his own pity party.
-Kenny can abandon you when Clementine is missing in Episode 5 after your bit.
-Kenny doesn't care about Alvin and Carlos' life despite your pleads UNLESS you mention Sarita. (it's one thing if it was say Nick who was responsible for Matthew's death, but Carlos and Alvin did nothing to Kenny and are both basically Kenny's equivalent of who's looking out for their family since Carlos is a father and Alvin is soon-to-be).
-KENNY HAD A GUN AND WAS PRETTY DAMN CLOSE TO SHOOTING CLEMENTINE FOR CLEM DOING THE SAME THING HE DID (but his was worse) about SARITA.
Yeah, he is. But.... "What's the most important thing in this world?" -"Clem, it's my dick."
Credit goes to the amazing @Prid… moree
I'm just saying, everyone is a bit of a hypocrite at this point. The reasong being that most of the time you have to be.
-Lee can go off on Kenny for murder when he's done it before himself and determinantly does it again 5 mimutes later.
-Clementine can condemn Carver for his actions and leave Sarah to die a day later.
-Alvin seemed really pissed that Nick killed Matthew but we later find out he wasn't a stranger to murder either.
Kenny IS a hypocrite, but so is everyone, or mostly everyone who's lived 2 years in the ZA.
In other words, my only problem with your thread is that it appears to be just another biased one that further proves Kenny's fans point: they might not be the most annoying out there after all.
What the fuck did I just read? Kenny is one of the most well written character of this game, he is so complex.
Loving or hating him, you … moregot to admit that he is the most important character of this game excluding the 2 protagonists. Kenny and Clementine are the characters that appears the most in this series, they still alive since the first episode of the first season, he is such amazing written and performed as she is.
You seriously need some screenplay classes.
What the fuck, you're right! Kenny killed Larry when he wasn't sure he was dead, and he wasn't bitten. Clem killed Sarita when she was sure … moreshe was dying, bitten and bleeding out, and he said that someone''s gotta do the hard thing.
Kenny will go insane as Lilly almost did, and it will be like this:
1: Kenny lost Sarita, and they're attacked and end up in gunfight with Russians. / Lilly lost Larry, they're attacked and end up in gunfight with bandits and walkers.
2: Kenny and the group gets away / Lilly and the group gets away.
3: Luke will start saying someone caused this (Kenny killed Rebecca/yelling at the russians!!) / Lilly will start saying someone caused this (Ben working with bandits)
4: Kenny gets mad and shoots Luke / Lilly gets mad and shoots Carley/Doug
5: Clem will have the choice to leave Kenny behind!! / Lee will have the choice to leave Lilly behind!!
(If you take Kenny with you this will happen!)
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No, I sided with Kenny in almost all of my choices except to kill larry. (but i played S1 9 times and Sided with Kenny on that decision too in some of them). The possibility of Him snapping and making selfish decisions is still there and that's what makes him infinitely more of a hypocrite, the possibility is Not only there but he can do these things EASILY.
Kenny's motives are Never accidental. He has every intention to be narrow minded and It's a load of Bull to excuse him from letting Alvin die and Carlos to get tortured when he touts about Clem being family yet despite Clem's appeals he still doesn't find them worthy of being spared. Also He can blame Ben all he wants but HE was the one who left Ben to die and wanted you to do the same, whereas Duck's death was an accident that so happened to indirectly be caused by Ben. Same as how cutting off Sarita's arm was indirectly the mistakes of a young child, Kenny was really quite close to popping a cap into Clementine's skull and the fact that he learns absolutely nothing from his narrowmindedness in S1 shows just how selfish this man is.
Kenny is no different than Larry. Larry punches Lee hoping he'd die by Lee doesn't. Larry had a REASON to do so, he knows Lee is a murderer on the news and is traveling with a little girl and pretty much LIED to everyone by keeping it a secret. To Larry, lee is a murderer sleeping next door to his Only daughter. Yet Larry and Lilly don't rat you out despite that. The fact that Kenny is so quick to abandon others and selfishly will drag everyone around and throw them under the bus if they disagree and then Wig out on a 11 year old Makes him a hypocrite with irradic development.
You can defend his "His reaction is realistic! he's only doing it to protect X or cares about X!" Is a load of B.S when he equally backstabs and throws people under the bus doing the exact same thing. Some just don't turn against you as quickly as he does.
Okay, let's see.. Hate Larry, Yes.. He tried to kill Lee even after Lee risked his life and put down his own brother just to save Larry.
… moreKenny isnt a Saint either, I never said he was.. Kenny is very single minded in only wanting to protect his family. I sided with Kenny from the start, I agree'd with the Boat plan, so Kenny never left me, he helped me in the pharmacy and he came with me to find Clem.
Kenny wanted me to drop Ben in the bell tower, I wanted to drop Ben from the bell tower, so again, had nothing to do with Kenny and after all that Ben caused, I felt it was the wisest option.
As for not wanting to stop the train, of course Kenny was in a state of denial, not wanting to accept the fact that his son was going to die. Who would simply accept that and kill their own son without some degree of hesitation? That's why we had that scene where Lee convinced Kenny it was time to stop the train and deal with Duck.
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It's because he wasn't nice to Clementine... The people on here cry about people who are meanies like that. People are like "Clementine sh… moreould be able to tell Kenny to fuck off". I'd love it if that option was there, and Kenny reacts by blowing her away... Could you imagine the uproar?? Oh it would be glorious, and hilarious.
You are right in that all Larry wanted to do was protect his daughter. Absolutely. And yes Lee was a convicted murderer. Okay so Larry did what he felt was in the best interest of his daughter and the others. Fine, I agree 1000%
But Larry failed in his attempt and my Lee was not going to allow a second attempt if at all possible.
Lee is taking care of Clementine and will do whatever he has to to keep her safe. Just like Larry and Lilly.
Zombie Apocalypse Rule #7: If you intend to kill someone and fail, don't get upset that payback is a bitch!
Also to say Kenny lost the person he loved and cared about blah blah.
Larry Loved Lilly, he was an asshole but they loved each other. Kenny… more still murdered Larry.
Clementine Loved her parents they're both zombies.
Ben didn't even get to see his family at all and his little sister. ALL HIS FRIENDS died in front of him and the others were kidnapped by bandits and likely tortured (if you threaten ben on the train, and from what we learn from Jolene).
Kenny also can indirectly cause the death of ALVIN due to his apathy and selfishness in S2 EP 1. Alvin had a WIFE and an Unborn CHILD.
Kenny losing a loved one is NOT an excuse.
[Long sigh] No, you're not listening. Kenny is a inconsistent, sloppy, lazily written boring dry character with all the personality of a rock. I take it you're a Kenny bro so I'll just leave it at this, cause you'll obviously NEVER be swayed into even considering the possibly that some just refuse to accept half ass excuses as "character development."
Then one would say that Kenny losing Sarita in the same way is a well deserved payback (I however loved Sarita and wish she was around more). and like i said, Kenny has no right to yell at Clementine and even contemplate shooting her when He murdered Larry in front of Clem AND Lilly. Then claim its what they had to do to fix the problem. Lilly never killed or made an attempt at Kenny's life and under great stress Still protected the group. Clem cutting Sarita's arm was her trying to Fix the problem.
Like i said, Clem's an impressionable 11 year old. What does that make Kenny?
You are right in that all Larry wanted to do was protect his daughter. Absolutely. And yes Lee was a convicted murderer. Okay so Larry did… more what he felt was in the best interest of his daughter and the others. Fine, I agree 1000%
But Larry failed in his attempt and my Lee was not going to allow a second attempt if at all possible.
Lee is taking care of Clementine and will do whatever he has to to keep her safe. Just like Larry and Lilly.
Zombie Apocalypse Rule #7: If you intend to kill someone and fail, don't get upset that payback is a bitch!
i personally love Kenny. But i have to agree that there are parellels from the first season to the second. He talks a big game.. lets me honest. When hard decisions have to be made, Lee made them last season. And he hated you if you didnt saltlick Larry, even if you saved his fucking son.
I think that part of the reason that a lot of the characters are not so "in depth" is because us as an audience are so freaking demanding. The day the episode 4 came out, we were all like, "When is episode 5 coming?"
All the reasons you gave me for backing up your stance were complaints on who Kenny is as a person. That has nothing to do with the writing being good or not.
You're also contradicting yourself by saying his character is inconsistent. I mean.. you had just said that he was "predictable" in a previous post. So which one is it? Inconsistent definitely does not = predictable. It honestly just seems like you're saying whatever here.
[Long sigh] No, you're not listening. Kenny is a inconsistent, sloppy, lazily written boring dry character with all the personality of a roc… morek. I take it you're a Kenny bro so I'll just leave it at this, cause you'll obviously NEVER be swayed into even considering the possibly that some just refuse to accept half ass excuses as "character development."
Why u hating on Kenny bruh I mean he lost so much I'm not even gonna gonna make excuses but if u do stay silent in the tent he will say sorry but you all probably know that
And another thing Kenny killed Larry to protect the group Lilly didn't understand Ok clem did it because she didn't want her to suffer and I can understand why Kenny got crazy he lost his wife and son he had to shoot his son well at least in my play threw every one gets a little crazy and now I'm ready to get down voted
The situation is different but it's still alike, the comparison IS there because if you choose to chop off her arm the situation is A direct correlation to Lilly and Larry.
Direct comparison? In what way..? Nothing from either situation directly compares to the other, except for the fact that someone ended up dead in each (Could be argued that Larry was already dead, but that's besides the point).
Also If Sarita was bit and started flailing around, The herd would have seen her and reacted more hostile and could have caused Mike, kenny and Clem to be killed the same way Carlos died because of Sarah.
You're telling me that chopping her arm off was a potential solution to solve the problem of her "flailing around" because of being bitten? Chopping her arm off only draws more attention.
Larry was a man who you were unsure if he was alive. His daughter was screaming that he isn't dead which is 100% Reasonable. Lilly is pragmatic and also, Unlike Kenny she had Way more experience with handling her father's Medical condition and has probably seen it happen before and also seen him be resuscitated from it.
This doesn't really have to do with anything. How does this relate to the Sarita situation?
People have heart attacks and live all the time.
Heart attacks to the extent that they are stone cold unconscious and not breathing? Umm... no. That is not an easy thing to come back from even with medical equipment, let alone resuscitation by hand. It is a rare thing to survive heart attacks of the nature that Larry had.
Again though, this doesn't really have much to do with anything anyway.
Likewise, Clem had the choice to cut a woman's arm but this time to save her life even if the chance was Completely unlikely. Should she have been bit and walked a few hours to Parker's run she would have been too late to save even with a cut limb. Kenny reacted the same way as Lilly did, but this time he's yelling at a small girl (11 years old, too young) who was THERE IN THE MEAT LOCKER when Kenny did something similar IF NOT WORSE.
No, it is not similar. There is essentially nothing similar about the two situations other than the fact that a tough decision was made, and someone ended up dead. That is where the comparison ends. Literally everything else is different. Different environment (literally and figuratively), different alternatives, different possible outcomes (in a realistic sense, not game script sense), different intentions.
You can't say Kenny is a hypocrite just because he takes fault with Clem's tough decision making. That is unfair and unreasonable.
The situation is different but it's still alike, the comparison IS there because if you choose to chop off her arm the situation is A direct… more correlation to Lilly and Larry.
Also If Sarita was bit and started flailing around, The herd would have seen her and reacted more hostile and could have caused Mike, kenny and Clem to be killed the same way Carlos died because of Sarah.
Larry was a man who you were unsure if he was alive. His daughter was screaming that he isn't dead which is 100% Reasonable. Lilly is pragmatic and also, Unlike Kenny she had Way more experience with handling her father's Medical condition and has probably seen it happen before and also seen him be resuscitated from it. A heart attack =/= Death. People have heart attacks and live all the time. Kenny had No right to End a man's life. Also we've seen Walkers wake up before, There's a good minute window to kill him if the situation calls for it.
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lol no I'm not for realz. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the Clementine fans. KCohere made my point perfectly. Wishing Kenny wasn't part of the season because everything was about him. Even though you play as Clementine, and it's obviously more about her KC can't stand a second about another character
Exhibit A of why I wish Kenny wasn't in this season. Everything has become about him. Kenny was fine until Clementine showed up because he's more important than anyone.
Well some people think that it's perfectly fine to murder someone they hate in cold blood with their only family member left watches them get a deadly makeover and a little girl is present to.
Other people think that it's perfectly fine to kill a Walker that wasn't very dislikeable, was the only important thing left to someone, and was in that situation because you tried to save that person, even though you get blamed for it no matter what you do.
Clem = Kenny in this situation.
Kenny= Lilly in this situation
Kenny Saltlicked Larry despite what Lilly wanted.
Clem Cut off Sarita's arm despite what Kenny wanted.
Both thought they were doing the right thing.
When Kenny was screaming over Sarita, and accusing Clementine of Killing her is the same as When Lilly was holding her father. The camera shot is actually extremely similar in that dilemma. You as the player are just not the Third person but the agressor in a similar dilemma of killing someone's loved one. In the end Ultimately Kenny killed Larry and Clem Killed or caused Sarita's death. Kenny also says the same things as Lilly "Get away from me" and Sees them as murderers. Clem also makes it a point that she was dying anyway and to end her suffering before she reanimates, he did the similar by saying "He's Dead we have to do it!" about Larry
You can't get more clear cut with that. Clem was even in the meat locker and saw it happen, and thus did the exact same thing Kenny did in this situation. Kenny was also spouting about how he'll do anything to protect his family, justifying his actions etc.
Clem can easily justify her actions as well in the herd.
Kenny is a hypocrite because he murdered someone's loved one when the going got tough. But when Clem does it to Kenny's loved one, Kenny flies off the handle at her and suddenly "Making the hard decision and doing the deed (killing family) to protect everyone" is suddenly no longer applied.
The situation is different but it's still alike, the comparison IS there because if you choose to chop off her arm the situation is A direct… more correlation to Lilly and Larry.
Direct comparison? In what way..? Nothing from either situation directly compares to the other, except for the fact that someone ended up dead in each (Could be argued that Larry was already dead, but that's besides the point).
Also If Sarita was bit and started flailing around, The herd would have seen her and reacted more hostile and could have caused Mike, kenny and Clem to be killed the same way Carlos died because of Sarah.
You're telling me that chopping her arm off was a potential solution to solve the problem of her "flailing around" because of being bitten? Chopping her arm off only draws more attention.
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Im not sure how I made your point perfectly but you're right about one thing. I cant stand that this game is becoming all about Kenny when other characters, including the main one Clementine should be getting attention. All of that time that we are spending on Kenny could have been on Alvin, Luke, Nick, Sarah, the 400 days characters, any of the others, heck even finding out what the heck happened to Christa. Thats what I wanted to see.
lol no I'm not for realz. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the Clementine fans. KCohere made my point perfectly. Wishing Kenny wasn't pa… morert of the season because everything was about him. Even though you play as Clementine, and it's obviously more about her KC can't stand a second about another character
Hopefully Kenny will catch up with Jane (that's why he didn't want to sit around waiting to leave). So after Kenny kills all the Russians, and saves Clementine from hurting herself he can get some Jane action. Luke can get some pointers on how a real man gets things done. People thought Rebecca's baby was Carvers, obviously it was Kenny's. The man got around after his wife died. You will all see when by the time it's three weeks' old it will have a beard.
Well some people think that it's perfectly fine to murder someone they hate in cold blood with their only family member left watches them ge… moret a deadly makeover and a little girl is present to.
Other people think that it's perfectly fine to kill a Walker that wasn't very dislikeable, was the only important thing left to someone, and was in that situation because you tried to save that person, even though you get blamed for it no matter what you do.
Kenny Saltlicked Larry despite what Lilly wanted. Clem Cut off Sarita's arm despite what Kenny wanted. Both thought they were doing the right thing.
Kenny wasn't there telling Clem not to cut off Sarita's arm. No one was. Clem didn't do what she wanted in spite of Kenny, she didn't even know what the guy wanted. There was no potential outside influence at all. Its not comparable to Lilly pleading with Kenny not to finish off Larry.
They both thought they were doing the right thing.. but that kind of goes without saying. They both made a tough decision that they felt was the right/prudent thing to do. That remains the only similarity.
When Kenny was screaming over Sarita, and accusing Clementine of Killing her is the same as When Lilly was holding her father. The camera shot is actually extremely similar in that dilemma.
What happens after the fact isn't really relevant. We're simply comparing their actions... as in Clem causing Sarita's death vs Kenny finishing off Larry. Of course Kenny is going to be upset that one of his loved ones just got killed. That doesn't mean that the actions leading to the death of Sarita are similar to what happened with Lilly and her father.
Clem also makes it a point that she was dying anyway and to end her suffering before she reanimates, he did the similar by saying "He's Dead we have to do it!" about Larry
You're comparing Kenny's decision making process against the consequences of Clementine's decision. That doesn't make any sense. That isn't what we're comparing.
Clem was even in the meat locker and saw it happen, and thus did the exact same thing Kenny did in this situation.
Exact same thing? So you're saying that Clem was unarmed, stuck in a tiny room with a dead/very close to dead Sarita, and she finished her off in an effort to prevent her from turning and attacking the group?
The Sarita situation is not even close to being the "exact same thing" as the Larry situation (decision making and all).
Kenny was also spouting about how he'll do anything to protect his family, justifying his actions etc. Clem can easily justify her actions as well in the herd.
This isn't about whether their actions were justifiable or not. That is an entirely different discussion, and one that a lot of people will never agree on.
Clem = Kenny in this situation.
Kenny= Lilly in this situation
Kenny Saltlicked Larry despite what Lilly wanted.
Clem Cut off Sarita's … morearm despite what Kenny wanted.
Both thought they were doing the right thing.
When Kenny was screaming over Sarita, and accusing Clementine of Killing her is the same as When Lilly was holding her father. The camera shot is actually extremely similar in that dilemma. You as the player are just not the Third person but the agressor in a similar dilemma of killing someone's loved one. In the end Ultimately Kenny killed Larry and Clem Killed or caused Sarita's death. Kenny also says the same things as Lilly "Get away from me" and Sees them as murderers. Clem also makes it a point that she was dying anyway and to end her suffering before she reanimates, he did the similar by saying "He's Dead we have to do it!" about Larry
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I've only been on this forum for like a few days and it's completely obvious to me that you'll never get anywhere with Belan on the subject of Kenny. They completely stan for him beyond all reason. lmao
A woman dying from a zombie attack is not "revenge". Payback would actually mean Lilly killing Kenny in revenge.
Or, more likely by this point, Kenny seriously having to consider the fact that he's endangering the group and will have to be put down for their safety.
Then one would say that Kenny losing Sarita in the same way is a well deserved payback (I however loved Sarita and wish she was around more)… more. and like i said, Kenny has no right to yell at Clementine and even contemplate shooting her when He murdered Larry in front of Clem AND Lilly. Then claim its what they had to do to fix the problem. Lilly never killed or made an attempt at Kenny's life and under great stress Still protected the group. Clem cutting Sarita's arm was her trying to Fix the problem.
Like i said, Clem's an impressionable 11 year old. What does that make Kenny?
Hopefully Kenny will catch up with Jane (that's why he didn't want to sit around waiting to leave). So after Kenny kills all the Russians, … moreand saves Clementine from hurting herself he can get some Jane action. Luke can get some pointers on how a real man gets things done. People thought Rebecca's baby was Carvers, obviously it was Kenny's. The man got around after his wife died. You will all see when by the time it's three weeks' old it will have a beard.
What I meant is that Carver could have easily killed Clem when she was arguing with him. And, yes, in my opinion, Carver is more dangerous that Kenny because he is a crazy and violent even more than Ken. It doesn't matter if he is dead, the fact is that he could have killed everyone in the group if he wanted to when they were prisonners and Kenny wouldn't have been able to do anything to help.
But I think I am wasting my time, you will probably never agree with me or even try to see my point because we have a very different ways to see things.
"I'm just pointing the hypocrisy of the Clementines fans"
Dixit a hardcore Kenny fan who tries to prove wrong every single person who disagrees with his opinions.
I don't have a problem with your opinions, I think everyone has the right to have differents opinions. My problem with you is that you think everyone who do not share your ideas are wrong and you don't even try to understand our ways to think.
One time I got in a polite argument with a member on wherever what Kenny did to Carver was the right thing to do. We had very differents opinions on the thing but we discussed about it and even if we still had the same opinions as before, I did understand his point and his opinion. And I respected it. Arguments are not about proving someone is right or wrong, it's about understading why people have different opinions, it's about having different points of view on a subject other than ours.
So it would be cool if you tried to respect and understand a little more our opinions
lol no I'm not for realz. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the Clementine fans. KCohere made my point perfectly. Wishing Kenny wasn't pa… morert of the season because everything was about him. Even though you play as Clementine, and it's obviously more about her KC can't stand a second about another character
You're right, Kenny is a great character... He can do NO wrong, none at all. I won't continue to give you my points anymore if you don't listen.
Kenny is the greatest, he could kill Clementine and the group and still be justified. Y'know why? Cause he's Kenny, and he lost his selfish wife and mentally handicapped son. Which is justification for ANY future actions.
Please don't respond, because I won't. Kenny rules, everyone drolls. You win, Kenny would be proud.
All the reasons you gave me for backing up your stance were complaints on who Kenny is as a person. That has nothing to do with the writing … morebeing good or not.
You're also contradicting yourself by saying his character is inconsistent. I mean.. you had just said that he was "predictable" in a previous post. So which one is it? Inconsistent definitely does not = predictable. It honestly just seems like you're saying whatever here.
Sarita seemed pretty nice actually. Larry is an asshole who tried to get Lee killed in Season 1 Episode 1 (even if you sided with him) that's all I gotta say. bye bye
What the fuck, you're right! Kenny killed Larry when he wasn't sure he was dead, and he wasn't bitten. Clem killed Sarita when she was sure … moreshe was dying, bitten and bleeding out, and he said that someone''s gotta do the hard thing.
Kenny will go insane as Lilly almost did, and it will be like this:
1: Kenny lost Sarita, and they're attacked and end up in gunfight with Russians. / Lilly lost Larry, they're attacked and end up in gunfight with bandits and walkers.
2: Kenny and the group gets away / Lilly and the group gets away.
3: Luke will start saying someone caused this (Kenny killed Rebecca/yelling at the russians!!) / Lilly will start saying someone caused this (Ben working with bandits)
4: Kenny gets mad and shoots Luke / Lilly gets mad and shoots Carley/Doug
5: Clem will have the choice to leave Kenny behind!! / Lee will have the choice to leave Lilly behind!!
(If you take Kenny with you this will happen!)
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I've only been on this forum for like a few days and it's completely obvious to me that you'll never get anywhere with Belan on the subject of Kenny. They completely stan for him beyond all reason. lmao
Also to say Kenny lost the person he loved and cared about blah blah.
Larry Loved Lilly, he was an asshole but they loved each other. Kenny still murdered Larry.
Clementine Loved her parents they're both zombies.
Ben didn't even get to see his family at all and his little sister. ALL HIS FRIENDS died in front of him and the others were kidnapped by bandits and likely tortured (if you threaten ben on the train, and from what we learn from Jolene).
Kenny also can indirectly cause the death of ALVIN due to his apathy and selfishness in S2 EP 1. Alvin had a WIFE and an Unborn CHILD.
Kenny losing a loved one is NOT an excuse.
S1: Kenny meets group, self appoints himself as leader, argues with group, makes ridiculous plan, ignores everyone's concerns and dismissed them and calls them stupid if they don't agree with him, shit blows up in his face because he didn't think things through, blames everyone else, repeat
S2: Kenny meets group, self appoints himself as leader, argues with group, makes ridiculous plan, ignores everyone's concerns and dismissed them and calls them stupid if they don't agree with him, shit blows up in his face because he didn't think things through, blames everyone else, repeat
Kenny is such a groundbreaking character
Okay, let's see.. Hate Larry, Yes.. He tried to kill Lee even after Lee risked his life and put down his own brother just to save Larry.
Kenny isnt a Saint either, I never said he was.. Kenny is very single minded in only wanting to protect his family. I sided with Kenny from the start, I agree'd with the Boat plan, so Kenny never left me, he helped me in the pharmacy and he came with me to find Clem.
Kenny wanted me to drop Ben in the bell tower, I wanted to drop Ben from the bell tower, so again, had nothing to do with Kenny and after all that Ben caused, I felt it was the wisest option.
As for not wanting to stop the train, of course Kenny was in a state of denial, not wanting to accept the fact that his son was going to die. Who would simply accept that and kill their own son without some degree of hesitation? That's why we had that scene where Lee convinced Kenny it was time to stop the train and deal with Duck.
So what about Carlo's and Alvin, they wern't Sarita and as we all know Kenny is about saving those closest to him, not some new strangers that just showed up and had a madman like Carver following them. It's because of Carlo's and Luke's group that Carver showed up in the first place.
I will admit, I too was slightly nervouse of what Kenny may do to Clem after cutting off Sarita's arm, but he reacted as anyone would in that situation and as we all saw, Kenny still kinda got over it, or at leaste was able to put it behind him long enough to help Rebecca with the baby.
I guess we played the game with some different choices and different points of view because where Kenny left you to die, he came and helped me.
Dayum Saltlick is back to his best I 100% agree finally someone says it I approve this so much :'D
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You know I'm not afraid to speak my mind, Mark.
I will literally just look at Kenny with a WTF look. Then I'll be like bruh...
No, I sided with Kenny in almost all of my choices except to kill larry. (but i played S1 9 times and Sided with Kenny on that decision too in some of them). The possibility of Him snapping and making selfish decisions is still there and that's what makes him infinitely more of a hypocrite, the possibility is Not only there but he can do these things EASILY.
Kenny's motives are Never accidental. He has every intention to be narrow minded and It's a load of Bull to excuse him from letting Alvin die and Carlos to get tortured when he touts about Clem being family yet despite Clem's appeals he still doesn't find them worthy of being spared. Also He can blame Ben all he wants but HE was the one who left Ben to die and wanted you to do the same, whereas Duck's death was an accident that so happened to indirectly be caused by Ben. Same as how cutting off Sarita's arm was indirectly the mistakes of a young child, Kenny was really quite close to popping a cap into Clementine's skull and the fact that he learns absolutely nothing from his narrowmindedness in S1 shows just how selfish this man is.
Kenny is no different than Larry. Larry punches Lee hoping he'd die by Lee doesn't. Larry had a REASON to do so, he knows Lee is a murderer on the news and is traveling with a little girl and pretty much LIED to everyone by keeping it a secret. To Larry, lee is a murderer sleeping next door to his Only daughter. Yet Larry and Lilly don't rat you out despite that. The fact that Kenny is so quick to abandon others and selfishly will drag everyone around and throw them under the bus if they disagree and then Wig out on a 11 year old Makes him a hypocrite with irradic development.
You can defend his "His reaction is realistic! he's only doing it to protect X or cares about X!" Is a load of B.S when he equally backstabs and throws people under the bus doing the exact same thing. Some just don't turn against you as quickly as he does.
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Seems like you'd love to see a little kid get shot just for not taking an adult's nonsense. There's a word for people like that...
You are right in that all Larry wanted to do was protect his daughter. Absolutely. And yes Lee was a convicted murderer. Okay so Larry did what he felt was in the best interest of his daughter and the others. Fine, I agree 1000%
But Larry failed in his attempt and my Lee was not going to allow a second attempt if at all possible.
Lee is taking care of Clementine and will do whatever he has to to keep her safe. Just like Larry and Lilly.
Zombie Apocalypse Rule #7: If you intend to kill someone and fail, don't get upset that payback is a bitch!
[Long sigh] No, you're not listening. Kenny is a inconsistent, sloppy, lazily written boring dry character with all the personality of a rock. I take it you're a Kenny bro so I'll just leave it at this, cause you'll obviously NEVER be swayed into even considering the possibly that some just refuse to accept half ass excuses as "character development."
Then one would say that Kenny losing Sarita in the same way is a well deserved payback (I however loved Sarita and wish she was around more). and like i said, Kenny has no right to yell at Clementine and even contemplate shooting her when He murdered Larry in front of Clem AND Lilly. Then claim its what they had to do to fix the problem. Lilly never killed or made an attempt at Kenny's life and under great stress Still protected the group. Clem cutting Sarita's arm was her trying to Fix the problem.
Like i said, Clem's an impressionable 11 year old. What does that make Kenny?
i personally love Kenny. But i have to agree that there are parellels from the first season to the second. He talks a big game.. lets me honest. When hard decisions have to be made, Lee made them last season. And he hated you if you didnt saltlick Larry, even if you saved his fucking son.
I think that part of the reason that a lot of the characters are not so "in depth" is because us as an audience are so freaking demanding. The day the episode 4 came out, we were all like, "When is episode 5 coming?"
Maybe episode 3 will be about Kenny?
I don't think he meant any of it, he was just angry and sad as hell.
Sorta like Larry.
All the reasons you gave me for backing up your stance were complaints on who Kenny is as a person. That has nothing to do with the writing being good or not.
You're also contradicting yourself by saying his character is inconsistent. I mean.. you had just said that he was "predictable" in a previous post. So which one is it? Inconsistent definitely does not = predictable. It honestly just seems like you're saying whatever here.
Why u hating on Kenny bruh I mean he lost so much I'm not even gonna gonna make excuses but if u do stay silent in the tent he will say sorry but you all probably know that
And another thing Kenny killed Larry to protect the group Lilly didn't understand Ok clem did it because she didn't want her to suffer and I can understand why Kenny got crazy he lost his wife and son he had to shoot his son well at least in my play threw every one gets a little crazy and now I'm ready to get down voted
Direct comparison? In what way..? Nothing from either situation directly compares to the other, except for the fact that someone ended up dead in each (Could be argued that Larry was already dead, but that's besides the point).
You're telling me that chopping her arm off was a potential solution to solve the problem of her "flailing around" because of being bitten? Chopping her arm off only draws more attention.
This doesn't really have to do with anything. How does this relate to the Sarita situation?
Heart attacks to the extent that they are stone cold unconscious and not breathing? Umm... no. That is not an easy thing to come back from even with medical equipment, let alone resuscitation by hand. It is a rare thing to survive heart attacks of the nature that Larry had.
Again though, this doesn't really have much to do with anything anyway.
No, it is not similar. There is essentially nothing similar about the two situations other than the fact that a tough decision was made, and someone ended up dead. That is where the comparison ends. Literally everything else is different. Different environment (literally and figuratively), different alternatives, different possible outcomes (in a realistic sense, not game script sense), different intentions.
You can't say Kenny is a hypocrite just because he takes fault with Clem's tough decision making. That is unfair and unreasonable.
What's the word?
Carver is far more dangerous? Last I checked he's dead, and Kenny's still alive. Kenny bashed his face in with a crow bar.
Kenny's an ass, but he's our ass. ....that sounded better before I typed it out.
lol no I'm not for realz. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the Clementine fans. KCohere made my point perfectly. Wishing Kenny wasn't part of the season because everything was about him. Even though you play as Clementine, and it's obviously more about her KC can't stand a second about another character
Well some people think that it's perfectly fine to murder someone they hate in cold blood with their only family member left watches them get a deadly makeover and a little girl is present to.
Other people think that it's perfectly fine to kill a Walker that wasn't very dislikeable, was the only important thing left to someone, and was in that situation because you tried to save that person, even though you get blamed for it no matter what you do.
Clem = Kenny in this situation.
Kenny= Lilly in this situation
Kenny Saltlicked Larry despite what Lilly wanted.
Clem Cut off Sarita's arm despite what Kenny wanted.
Both thought they were doing the right thing.
When Kenny was screaming over Sarita, and accusing Clementine of Killing her is the same as When Lilly was holding her father. The camera shot is actually extremely similar in that dilemma. You as the player are just not the Third person but the agressor in a similar dilemma of killing someone's loved one. In the end Ultimately Kenny killed Larry and Clem Killed or caused Sarita's death. Kenny also says the same things as Lilly "Get away from me" and Sees them as murderers. Clem also makes it a point that she was dying anyway and to end her suffering before she reanimates, he did the similar by saying "He's Dead we have to do it!" about Larry
You can't get more clear cut with that. Clem was even in the meat locker and saw it happen, and thus did the exact same thing Kenny did in this situation. Kenny was also spouting about how he'll do anything to protect his family, justifying his actions etc.
Clem can easily justify her actions as well in the herd.
Kenny is a hypocrite because he murdered someone's loved one when the going got tough. But when Clem does it to Kenny's loved one, Kenny flies off the handle at her and suddenly "Making the hard decision and doing the deed (killing family) to protect everyone" is suddenly no longer applied.
Im not sure how I made your point perfectly but you're right about one thing. I cant stand that this game is becoming all about Kenny when other characters, including the main one Clementine should be getting attention. All of that time that we are spending on Kenny could have been on Alvin, Luke, Nick, Sarah, the 400 days characters, any of the others, heck even finding out what the heck happened to Christa. Thats what I wanted to see.
Hopefully Kenny will catch up with Jane (that's why he didn't want to sit around waiting to leave). So after Kenny kills all the Russians, and saves Clementine from hurting herself he can get some Jane action. Luke can get some pointers on how a real man gets things done. People thought Rebecca's baby was Carvers, obviously it was Kenny's. The man got around after his wife died. You will all see when by the time it's three weeks' old it will have a beard.
Kenny wasn't there telling Clem not to cut off Sarita's arm. No one was. Clem didn't do what she wanted in spite of Kenny, she didn't even know what the guy wanted. There was no potential outside influence at all. Its not comparable to Lilly pleading with Kenny not to finish off Larry.
They both thought they were doing the right thing.. but that kind of goes without saying. They both made a tough decision that they felt was the right/prudent thing to do. That remains the only similarity.
What happens after the fact isn't really relevant. We're simply comparing their actions... as in Clem causing Sarita's death vs Kenny finishing off Larry. Of course Kenny is going to be upset that one of his loved ones just got killed. That doesn't mean that the actions leading to the death of Sarita are similar to what happened with Lilly and her father.
You're comparing Kenny's decision making process against the consequences of Clementine's decision. That doesn't make any sense. That isn't what we're comparing.
Exact same thing? So you're saying that Clem was unarmed, stuck in a tiny room with a dead/very close to dead Sarita, and she finished her off in an effort to prevent her from turning and attacking the group?
The Sarita situation is not even close to being the "exact same thing" as the Larry situation (decision making and all).
This isn't about whether their actions were justifiable or not. That is an entirely different discussion, and one that a lot of people will never agree on.
Maybe you should try disproving our points instead of tossing around baseless insults?
Just a thought.
A woman dying from a zombie attack is not "revenge". Payback would actually mean Lilly killing Kenny in revenge.
Or, more likely by this point, Kenny seriously having to consider the fact that he's endangering the group and will have to be put down for their safety.
2/20, try fanboying over Troy. At least then the obsessiveness will take on a new level of amusing.
What I meant is that Carver could have easily killed Clem when she was arguing with him. And, yes, in my opinion, Carver is more dangerous that Kenny because he is a crazy and violent even more than Ken. It doesn't matter if he is dead, the fact is that he could have killed everyone in the group if he wanted to when they were prisonners and Kenny wouldn't have been able to do anything to help.
But I think I am wasting my time, you will probably never agree with me or even try to see my point because we have a very different ways to see things.
P.S: Clementineftw
"I'm just pointing the hypocrisy of the Clementines fans"
Dixit a hardcore Kenny fan who tries to prove wrong every single person who disagrees with his opinions.
I don't have a problem with your opinions, I think everyone has the right to have differents opinions. My problem with you is that you think everyone who do not share your ideas are wrong and you don't even try to understand our ways to think.
One time I got in a polite argument with a member on wherever what Kenny did to Carver was the right thing to do. We had very differents opinions on the thing but we discussed about it and even if we still had the same opinions as before, I did understand his point and his opinion. And I respected it. Arguments are not about proving someone is right or wrong, it's about understading why people have different opinions, it's about having different points of view on a subject other than ours.
So it would be cool if you tried to respect and understand a little more our opinions
Even though i'm a fan of kenny what you said made me laugh my ass off! xD
You're right, Kenny is a great character... He can do NO wrong, none at all. I won't continue to give you my points anymore if you don't listen.
Kenny is the greatest, he could kill Clementine and the group and still be justified. Y'know why? Cause he's Kenny, and he lost his selfish wife and mentally handicapped son. Which is justification for ANY future actions.
Please don't respond, because I won't. Kenny rules, everyone drolls. You win, Kenny would be proud.
Sarita seemed pretty nice actually. Larry is an asshole who tried to get Lee killed in Season 1 Episode 1 (even if you sided with him) that's all I gotta say. bye bye
thanks
i can just imagine Kenny running off into the distance holding Rebeccas baby. xD
Hope we can tell Kenny this if he gets angry at Clementine for what she did