What if they simply don't want to wait around for life to get better? What if they've simply reached the limits of what they want to take? What if they just want their pan to end now rather then get better soon.
I call people ignorant (among other times) when they refuse empirical truths. Which is what you are willingly continuing to do. You can disagree with me all you want, but when it's inarguable and you still refuse it then you are willfully ignorant.
Yes. If you're more interested in your own happiness than another's then you don't love that person enough for them to be happy. You don't d… moreeserve that person in your life in the first place if the only thing they are to you is something for yourself. They aren't there to accommodate you, just as you're not here to accommodate others. If you're life is nothing than that and that is where you get your happiness from then more power to you, a model citizen, but that doesn't hold true for everyone. All I'm seeking in life is happiness, and if another person seeks the same thing and finds it through drugs then I don't pity them, I envy them.
Then they're stupid, I'm not even going to lie if you think there's nothing left for you then you're dumb. Suicide is a permanent solution to temporary problems...For me it isn't, for me mine's permanent but the problems that follow along with them are temporary.
What if they simply don't want to wait around for life to get better? What if they've simply reached the limits of what they want to take? What if they just want their pan to end now rather then get better soon.
I call people ignorant (among other times) when they refuse empirical truths. Which is what you are willingly continuing to do. You can disagree with me all you want, but when it's inarguable and you still refuse it then you are willfully ignorant.
Exactly, you're not think about that person. You're being selfish and keeping them in a place that they don't want to be in so much that they would take their own life to escape. That is horrifying that people can do that to other people.
That's a very sad occurrence, but I find that preferable to keeping them in a life that they can't take. How are you supposed to be okay with that? Think about it from the position of the person that took their life, how much they must hate their life, how much they just wanted release and freedom, how they weighed the wins and loses of ending it. Stop seeing it from your point of view and realize that, for them, it was the only option.
Yes, how horrifying that I deeply care about someone and don't want them to give up on themselves, and cause endless amount of tragedy and l… moreoss for that persons loved ones.
And don't get me started on children who don't get to see their mom or dad because one or the other committed suicide because it made them "happy" to not take care of their own flesh and blood.
How am I supposed to be okay with that?!
You don't have to be happy about it. There's plenty of things about life that I'm not happy about. I'm unhappy about my crappy internet speed, our prime minister, the fact that I have to take science this year. But I accept that I can't change that and move on.
Okay, so as long as this guy is happy that he's going to kill himself because apparently he can't get over depression, then it should be fin… moree and I should be happy? So, you're saying, that it's okay that people give up as long as it makes THEM happy.
No.
I would probably call that person extremely selfish and awful for leaving their own child. It's not preferable, it's terrible that kid is probably NEVER going to see his mom or dad and they pretty much just ditch him like a farmer ditching his loyal dog on the side of the road.
Exactly, you're not think about that person. You're being selfish and keeping them in a place that they don't want to be in so much that the… morey would take their own life to escape. That is horrifying that people can do that to other people.
That's a very sad occurrence, but I find that preferable to keeping them in a life that they can't take. How are you supposed to be okay with that? Think about it from the position of the person that took their life, how much they must hate their life, how much they just wanted release and freedom, how they weighed the wins and loses of ending it. Stop seeing it from your point of view and realize that, for them, it was the only option.
The person who committed suicide, it's kind of selfish when this personn committed suicide and HAD a potentially good future, but was too blind from depression to realize it.
You don't have to be happy about it. There's plenty of things about life that I'm not happy about. I'm unhappy about my crappy internet spee… mored, our prime minister, the fact that I have to take science this year. But I accept that I can't change that and move on.
pro- a prefix indicating favor for some party, system, idea, etc.
in favor- having or showing approval.
approval- the action of officially agreeing to something or accepting something as satisfactory.
Your label of me has connotations that I like when people commit suicide, which is far from the truth. I am not Pro-Suicide, I simply do not condemn it and support the act of freely choosing it after it has been thoroughly thought out by the enactor.
Alright, a rundown.
pro- a prefix indicating favor for some party, system, idea, etc.
in favor- having or showing approval.
approva… morel- the action of officially agreeing to something or accepting something as satisfactory.
Your label of me has connotations that I like when people commit suicide, which is far from the truth. I am not Pro-Suicide, I simply do not condemn it and support the act of freely choosing it after it has been thoroughly thought out by the enactor.
I wouldn't help them do it. I wouldn't be able to force myself to do that. But I would respect their choice because it's not my place to decide. I'm not pro-suicide. I just don't want them to be miserable.
Trying to help them overcome depression is admirable, but there comes a point when that person is through trying to be helped. They are done with the gambits and pills and fake people down their throats acting as if they give more than a paycheck about them. There comes a time when trying turns into intruding, and saving them and keeping them alive turns into holding them from their goal. When kindness becomes selfishness. You may not know when that time is, but that person will. That person is being selfish, but not nearly so as people who would place and keep them in a horrifying world that they despise and want nothing more than to leave. It's like having a cat get hit by a car and instead of euthanizing it you stuff it in your house and have it slowly bleed out while in absolute pain. Even if you're doing it for good reasons like you thinking it will get better that's still a cruel thing to do, especially if the cat knew as much and had the cognitive function as a man.
It's not about giving up on themselves, it's about release. And you're preventing them from that, that is what is not right. At some point they don't want to keep going for you, or them, and the only thing that's keeping them from release is pills and a jacket and a padded room or a jail cell and a person like you thinking that they can and will get better, like the boy holding his bleeding, three legged cat in his arms telling himself that the wound will heal and he'll build a new leg for his precious pet out of leggos, sticks, and glue.
But...I don't think that way,
Trying to help them out of suicide is not selfish.
if anything, THAT person is being selfish by killing … morehimself and not bringing others with him or her.
I can't believe you're saying I should let people give up on themselves instead of moving forward and going strong FOR THEM, NOT ME.
Alright, but it was a very interesting conversation... I wish you would have moved it instead of deleting all that hard work (if that's even possible, idk). And Xbox gave permission for us to continue it in his thread. Just covering my arse.
Holy mother of thread derailments. I had to flag an off-topic argument in this comment chain that had over 225 comments.
Guys, please try to stay on topic. If you want to discuss social issues, please take it to a private discussion. Thanks!
Holy mother of thread derailments. I had to flag an off-topic argument in this comment chain that had over 225 comments.
Guys, please try to stay on topic. If you want to discuss social issues, please take it to a private discussion. Thanks!
"Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem." ~ No idea who said it.
Now. I know this isn't the case with everyone, but think about it, if someone is suicidal and wishes to kill themselves, they take away a chance at a better life, and again it isn't the case with everyone, i know that. But it still means something, life can get better, life can get worse, it's a shitty roller coaster of up and down with sadness or happiness. But if there's a chance it can get better and killing themselves takes away every single chance of that.
I hope you understand what I'm saying, I disagree with your opinion and I'm gonna take a guess you'll disagree with my, but let's make this a simple understanding. I wouldn't hand someone the knife, the gun, etc. I wouldn't support that. I would do everything I could to keep someone from taking their own life. Because I believe there's hope for a better life. Whether it's far from now or just around the corner. It's not something I would not support.
Exactly, you're not think about that person. You're being selfish and keeping them in a place that they don't want to be in so much that the… morey would take their own life to escape. That is horrifying that people can do that to other people.
That's a very sad occurrence, but I find that preferable to keeping them in a life that they can't take. How are you supposed to be okay with that? Think about it from the position of the person that took their life, how much they must hate their life, how much they just wanted release and freedom, how they weighed the wins and loses of ending it. Stop seeing it from your point of view and realize that, for them, it was the only option.
Holy mother of thread derailments. I had to flag an off-topic argument in this comment chain that had over 225 comments.
Guys, please try to stay on topic. If you want to discuss social issues, please take it to a private discussion. Thanks!
Alright, but it was a very interesting conversation... I wish you would have moved it instead of deleting all that hard work (if that's even possible, idk). And Xbox gave permission for us to continue it in his thread. Just covering my arse.
Alright, but it was a very interesting conversation... I wish you would have moved it instead of deleting all that hard work (if that's even possible, idk). And Xbox gave permission for us to continue it in his thread. Just covering my arse.
Alright, but it was a very interesting conversation... I wish you would have moved it instead of deleting all that hard work (if that's even possible, idk). And Xbox gave permission for us to continue it in his thread. Just covering my arse.
Flagged, not deleted. (However, we also can delete posts for realsies...) Moderators and Staff can still view flagged posts - they just aren't publicly visible. If I wanted to, I could grab a jumbo sized popcorn and read your debate.
Flagged, not deleted. (However, we also can delete posts for realsies...) Moderators and Staff can still view flagged posts - they just aren't publicly visible. If I wanted to, I could grab a jumbo sized popcorn and read your debate.
It's fine, nobody is in trouble. I'm just surprised that a thread could be derailed with that many posts in such a short time.
Sadly, we currently cannot move comments in lower layers - which in this case, is where the argument started.
Flagged, not deleted. (However, we also can delete posts for realsies...) Moderators and Staff can still view flagged posts - they just aren't publicly visible. If I wanted to, I could grab a jumbo sized popcorn and read your debate.
..........Blind, I'm tempted to make a discussion about what we were discussing later, is that against the guidelines or what? I'm sorry it just kind of got me thinking about things.
It's fine, nobody is in trouble. I'm just surprised that a thread could be derailed with that many posts in such a short time.
Sadly, we currently cannot move comments in lower layers - which in this case, is where the argument started.
But....I wrote out 4 paragraphs to post just there sniper then one second later the debate disappeared who will read my random unnecessary off topic rant now it was my chance to shine I really was proud of it now it's lost in the abyss unseen
Holy mother of thread derailments. I had to flag an off-topic argument in this comment chain that had over 225 comments.
Guys, please try to stay on topic. If you want to discuss social issues, please take it to a private discussion. Thanks!
If you want to start a new thread, that's cool, but I'd maybe hold off a day or so as I get the impression that the argument was getting heated for some people. Maybe some of you guys need to cool your jets before going at it again.
..........Blind, I'm tempted to make a discussion about what we were discussing later, is that against the guidelines or what? I'm sorry it just kind of got me thinking about things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQst2mFlJM
But....I wrote out 4 paragraphs to post just there sniper then one second later the debate di… moresappeared who will read my random unnecessary off topic rant now it was my chance to shine I really was proud of it now it's lost in the abyss unseen
That is disappointing, even as you deleted it I had 5 or 6 new responses to dig my teeth into... which I suppose explains how it grew so quickly. 5 questions every 6 minutes x 10 per hour x Many hours..... I'm surprised that thread didn't physically pop out the bottom of my computer screen.
In any case you've freed my from my self-induced obligation. Farewell forum dweller. Have a wonderful time until you're called in to delete another one of my accidents! (Lol but no, seriously, my bad.)
It's fine, nobody is in trouble. I'm just surprised that a thread could be derailed with that many posts in such a short time.
Sadly, we currently cannot move comments in lower layers - which in this case, is where the argument started.
If you want to start a new thread, that's cool, but I'd maybe hold off a day or so as I get the impression that the argument was getting heated for some people. Maybe some of you guys need to cool your jets before going at it again.
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What if they simply don't want to wait around for life to get better? What if they've simply reached the limits of what they want to take? What if they just want their pan to end now rather then get better soon.
I call people ignorant (among other times) when they refuse empirical truths. Which is what you are willingly continuing to do. You can disagree with me all you want, but when it's inarguable and you still refuse it then you are willfully ignorant.
But...I don't think that way,
Trying to help them out of suicide is not selfish.
if anything, THAT person is being selfish by killing himself and not bringing others with him or her.
I can't believe you're saying I should let people give up on themselves instead of moving forward and going strong FOR THEM, NOT ME.
Then they're stupid, I'm not even going to lie if you think there's nothing left for you then you're dumb. Suicide is a permanent solution to temporary problems...For me it isn't, for me mine's permanent but the problems that follow along with them are temporary.
But am I? no.
Exactly, you're not think about that person. You're being selfish and keeping them in a place that they don't want to be in so much that they would take their own life to escape. That is horrifying that people can do that to other people.
That's a very sad occurrence, but I find that preferable to keeping them in a life that they can't take. How are you supposed to be okay with that? Think about it from the position of the person that took their life, how much they must hate their life, how much they just wanted release and freedom, how they weighed the wins and loses of ending it. Stop seeing it from your point of view and realize that, for them, it was the only option.
Yes, who are you to stop him from being happy? To torment him with crippling sadness because you don't want to continue without him.
You don't have to be happy about it. There's plenty of things about life that I'm not happy about. I'm unhappy about my crappy internet speed, our prime minister, the fact that I have to take science this year. But I accept that I can't change that and move on.
Undeniably, unquestionably yes.
Then you have false hope which keeps you moving forward. Those people don't have false hope.
That's some strong ignorance.
...You people give me a headache...They can have false hope too...They don't need suicide or drugs.
I would probably call that person extremely selfish and awful for leaving their own child. It's not preferable, it's terrible that kid is probably NEVER going to see his mom or dad and they pretty much just ditch him like a farmer ditching his loyal dog on the side of the road.
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The person who committed suicide, it's kind of selfish when this personn committed suicide and HAD a potentially good future, but was too blind from depression to realize it.
It's not the same thing, this about helping people, which apparently you're against people being alive.
Alright, a rundown.
pro- a prefix indicating favor for some party, system, idea, etc.
in favor- having or showing approval.
approval- the action of officially agreeing to something or accepting something as satisfactory.
Your label of me has connotations that I like when people commit suicide, which is far from the truth. I am not Pro-Suicide, I simply do not condemn it and support the act of freely choosing it after it has been thoroughly thought out by the enactor.
I'm against people being alive and unhappy at the same time.
You are pro suicide...You would allow someone to do it and help them.
I wouldn't help them do it. I wouldn't be able to force myself to do that. But I would respect their choice because it's not my place to decide. I'm not pro-suicide. I just don't want them to be miserable.
Trying to help them overcome depression is admirable, but there comes a point when that person is through trying to be helped. They are done with the gambits and pills and fake people down their throats acting as if they give more than a paycheck about them. There comes a time when trying turns into intruding, and saving them and keeping them alive turns into holding them from their goal. When kindness becomes selfishness. You may not know when that time is, but that person will. That person is being selfish, but not nearly so as people who would place and keep them in a horrifying world that they despise and want nothing more than to leave. It's like having a cat get hit by a car and instead of euthanizing it you stuff it in your house and have it slowly bleed out while in absolute pain. Even if you're doing it for good reasons like you thinking it will get better that's still a cruel thing to do, especially if the cat knew as much and had the cognitive function as a man.
It's not about giving up on themselves, it's about release. And you're preventing them from that, that is what is not right. At some point they don't want to keep going for you, or them, and the only thing that's keeping them from release is pills and a jacket and a padded room or a jail cell and a person like you thinking that they can and will get better, like the boy holding his bleeding, three legged cat in his arms telling himself that the wound will heal and he'll build a new leg for his precious pet out of leggos, sticks, and glue.
Holy mother of thread derailments. I had to flag an off-topic argument in this comment chain that had over 225 comments.
Guys, please try to stay on topic. If you want to discuss social issues, please take it to a private discussion. Thanks!
Alright, but it was a very interesting conversation... I wish you would have moved it instead of deleting all that hard work (if that's even possible, idk). And Xbox gave permission for us to continue it in his thread. Just covering my arse.
This is going in Forum history. :P
"Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem." ~ No idea who said it.
Now. I know this isn't the case with everyone, but think about it, if someone is suicidal and wishes to kill themselves, they take away a chance at a better life, and again it isn't the case with everyone, i know that. But it still means something, life can get better, life can get worse, it's a shitty roller coaster of up and down with sadness or happiness. But if there's a chance it can get better and killing themselves takes away every single chance of that.
I hope you understand what I'm saying, I disagree with your opinion and I'm gonna take a guess you'll disagree with my, but let's make this a simple understanding. I wouldn't hand someone the knife, the gun, etc. I wouldn't support that. I would do everything I could to keep someone from taking their own life. Because I believe there's hope for a better life. Whether it's far from now or just around the corner. It's not something I would not support.
Thanks for this Blind. I owe you an apology for not stopping this sooner. I just got so worked up about this. I'm really sorry that this happened.
It was better to delete it was getting...What's the word...Overzealous.
It's fine, nobody is in trouble. I'm just surprised that a thread could be derailed with that many posts in such a short time.
Sadly, we currently cannot move comments in lower layers - which in this case, is where the argument started.
Okay... yeah. I can't really disagree there.
Well, I think the aftermath of this will be interesting.
Flagged, not deleted.
(However, we also can delete posts for realsies...) Moderators and Staff can still view flagged posts - they just aren't publicly visible. If I wanted to, I could grab a jumbo sized popcorn and read your debate.
You could do that...Though...I wouldn't recommend it. :P
Thanks anyway Blind.
Well enjoy!
..........Blind, I'm tempted to make a discussion about what we were discussing later, is that against the guidelines or what? I'm sorry it just kind of got me thinking about things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQst2mFlJM
But....I wrote out 4 paragraphs to post just there sniper then one second later the debate disappeared who will read my random unnecessary off topic rant now it was my chance to shine I really was proud of it now it's lost in the abyss unseen
If you want to start a new thread, that's cool, but I'd maybe hold off a day or so as I get the impression that the argument was getting heated for some people. Maybe some of you guys need to cool your jets before going at it again.
This might not be over. J-Master is asking Blind if we can make our ownvthread about this.
That is disappointing, even as you deleted it I had 5 or 6 new responses to dig my teeth into... which I suppose explains how it grew so quickly. 5 questions every 6 minutes x 10 per hour x Many hours..... I'm surprised that thread didn't physically pop out the bottom of my computer screen.
In any case you've freed my from my self-induced obligation. Farewell forum dweller. Have a wonderful time until you're called in to delete another one of my accidents! (Lol but no, seriously, my bad.)
Yeah, I'll probably hold off for a while, I was just asking if it was cool to start one or not.
I'm not joining if you all do.