call me closed minded but i dont want to date a dude. and i dont care if look fucking gorgeous, and trust me there has been a LOT of pictures and shit post on face book that showed those... people and they looked better than some women. but you were born with a dick, youre a dude, ypu were born with a vagina and uterus, or cervix, youre a woman. i dont have any problem with any gay people, or any man/woman whatever,but respect other people too. if that someone doesnt like a dude or a chick, being whatever fucking sex they are then why try to get someone like that?
I think society will always be ignorant and simple minded to an extent and has a tendency to fear whats different or what they don't understand. Some people believe if you were born a certain gender you should live life as that gender. I dated a girl who posed as a boy she wasn't one of those lesbian looking types who have really short hair and try to be masculine. He/She was an emo that didn't wear any make up but didn't push the guy thing out of proportion I liked it about he/she I though it made them stand out among the crowd. It was brave, I admired it. She/He is still one of my best friends and I don't regret dating them. You can't choose who you like or love so why wait for the judgement of others. Its your life to do what you want no one else's.
"I know lots of people suffer for lots of different things, this issue just hurts me more than most "
I was just speaking on an issue I see a good friend experience. Of course other people suffer, doesn't mean we can't speak about different types of peoples suffering individually
Where is the post for all the PTSD VETS that are killing themselves every day
or sexually abused children, that wish they were dead from … moreyears of abuse
or people with disabilities with one leg/arm
or growing up poor, you know what that was like? I do.
Who makes those posts, you think those people are always treated well? The only person you can change is yourself.
Everyone has been bullied in their life at some point, you either learn how to deal with life, or you fall apart. If someone makes the decis… moreion to let people know their sexual preference in "HIGH SCHOOL" that is something they have to live with. That kid who stutters you think he didn't get bullied?
I don't have anything against Anybody in this point in my life, but people shouldn't expect special treatment.
How is it special treatment, to use the toilet of the gender you are. That's just nasty. They're in a cubicle for fucks sake, how is anyone being harmed?
I think it is a lot more dangerous for a transgender women to use the men's toilets than it is for then women to have to be in the presence of a transgender woman in their toilets.
I personally don't have a problem with people as long as they don't violate my rights.
However, with transgenders, I am not okay with the… morem using restrooms based on their gender and not sex. No one should get special treatment like that.
Otherwise, as long as they don't go dating me fully knowing I am not interested in a homosexual, physically I mean, relationship, they're cool.
So you are saying you are your body, and not your brain. So if you had a brain transplant, you'd still really be your original body, the whereabouts of your brain is irrelevant?
Peoples genders are what their mind says it is, regardless if their body fucked up on them and gave them the wrong genitals.
call me closed minded but i dont want to date a dude. and i dont care if look fucking gorgeous, and trust me there has been a LOT of picture… mores and shit post on face book that showed those... people and they looked better than some women. but you were born with a dick, youre a dude, ypu were born with a vagina and uterus, or cervix, youre a woman. i dont have any problem with any gay people, or any man/woman whatever,but respect other people too. if that someone doesnt like a dude or a chick, being whatever fucking sex they are then why try to get someone like that?
Oh give me a break. People get murdered for many reasons, sexuality is the least common. That is like 1/ million. You are more likely to get killed walking your dog.
I'd like to compare the figures of people murdered FOR walking their dog compared to those of people murdered FOR being transgender.
Also, transgender isn't a sexuality.
Also, Google is your friend. ALOT of obviously transgendered people are killed just because some people thought "ew".
Yes, lots of people get killed. But not for who they are (at least in the western world.)
Oh give me a break. People get murdered for many reasons, sexuality is the least common. That is like 1/ million. You are more likely to get killed walking your dog.
I'd like to compare the figures of people murdered FOR walking their dog compared to those of people murdered FOR being transgender.
Also,… more transgender isn't a sexuality.
Also, Google is your friend. ALOT of obviously transgendered people are killed just because some people thought "ew".
Yes, lots of people get killed. But not for who they are (at least in the western world.)
If you really want to compare figures, look up how many Africans starve to death anyway. See...both suicidal vets and starving Africans, although sad deaths, are irrelevant to this topic.
Also, vets don't have to worry about going out in public because they'll probably get harassed or attacked just for simply existing.
You just proved my point, the point is there is always someone out there worse off than you. Where is the starving african thread. I haven't seen one of those yet.
Also, vets don't have to worry about going out in public
You aren't a vet are you. I been called, baby killer, i been killed Mercenary for hire. Coming back from Iraq was really fun. Great experience.
If you really want to compare figures, look up how many Africans starve to death anyway. See...both suicidal vets and starving Africans, alt… morehough sad deaths, are irrelevant to this topic.
Also, vets don't have to worry about going out in public because they'll probably get harassed or attacked just for simply existing.
If you really want to compare figures,
You just proved my point, the point is there is always someone out there worse off than you. … moreWhere is the starving african thread. I haven't seen one of those yet.
Also, vets don't have to worry about going out in public
You aren't a vet are you. I been called, baby killer, i been killed Mercenary for hire. Coming back from Iraq was really fun. Great experience.
Pretty sure he said he doesn't care about that, just that if you are going to do it have enough respect for other people to inform them of it. And I completely agree with that.
So you are saying you are your body, and not your brain. So if you had a brain transplant, you'd still really be your original body, the whe… morereabouts of your brain is irrelevant?
Peoples genders are what their mind says it is, regardless if their body fucked up on them and gave them the wrong genitals.
you can talk about it all you want. Seems pointless imo, at this point what else needs to be said. Any new information on either side? Is either side going to change their viewpoint? Time to move on to another topic.
"I know lots of people suffer for lots of different things, this issue just hurts me more than most "
I was just speaking on an issue I s… moreee a good friend experience. Of course other people suffer, doesn't mean we can't speak about different types of peoples suffering individually
The issue with this, is Transgender people have the sexual organs of the sex that they transitioned to. IE. A man who turned into a woman, has a vagina, and breasts, and everything. Or a woman who is now a male, has a penis. So, if somebody has a penis, and is forced to use the woman's bathroom, that is a bad thing.
I personally don't have a problem with people as long as they don't violate my rights.
However, with transgenders, I am not okay with the… morem using restrooms based on their gender and not sex. No one should get special treatment like that.
Otherwise, as long as they don't go dating me fully knowing I am not interested in a homosexual, physically I mean, relationship, they're cool.
You don't have to apologize for not wanting to date a man or a transgender person. I don't think the OP was considering dating as asubject of this post.
call me closed minded but i dont want to date a dude. and i dont care if look fucking gorgeous, and trust me there has been a LOT of picture… mores and shit post on face book that showed those... people and they looked better than some women. but you were born with a dick, youre a dude, ypu were born with a vagina and uterus, or cervix, youre a woman. i dont have any problem with any gay people, or any man/woman whatever,but respect other people too. if that someone doesnt like a dude or a chick, being whatever fucking sex they are then why try to get someone like that?
I feel like this whole "I feel like a tree, I feel like a dolphin, I feel like ____," is really a bad faith argument. Are you really saying that, if a guy came in with long hair, painted nails, a skirt, high heels and make-up, you would be perfectly fine with it as long as they just didn't call themselves a woman? Getting into talking about chromosomes and the definition of sex versus gender really seems like an attempt to rationalize their disapproval of cross-gender behavior.
you know thats a great argument. i need to look back at my philosophy book and look that up. but then again looking at it from a scientific changes things... but then again it all really starts in philosophy.
but again we are talking about, the certain dna or the chromosomes that created that person into that gender(??). and again i can show you that example about that dude that feels he is fucking dog, btw how the hell does he make living??, so we're gonna use that argument too that somewhere nature fucked up and he was suppose to be a dog because his mind says" so?? but again no ill feeling towards any of them, i hope they get the right to get married, well idk if they are considered themselves homosexual but whatever
So you are saying you are your body, and not your brain. So if you had a brain transplant, you'd still really be your original body, the whe… morereabouts of your brain is irrelevant?
Peoples genders are what their mind says it is, regardless if their body fucked up on them and gave them the wrong genitals.
yes exactly this. if they start dating someone of the same sex, well the that they used to be... and have to mention that and you know people make a choice on that.
Pretty sure he said he doesn't care about that, just that if you are going to do it have enough respect for other people to inform them of it. And I completely agree with that.
you know thats a great argument. i need to look back at my philosophy book and look that up. but then again looking at it from a scientific … morechanges things... but then again it all really starts in philosophy.
but again we are talking about, the certain dna or the chromosomes that created that person into that gender(??). and again i can show you that example about that dude that feels he is fucking dog, btw how the hell does he make living??, so we're gonna use that argument too that somewhere nature fucked up and he was suppose to be a dog because his mind says" so?? but again no ill feeling towards any of them, i hope they get the right to get married, well idk if they are considered themselves homosexual but whatever
Pretty sure he said he doesn't care about that, just that if you are going to do it have enough respect for other people to inform them of it. And I completely agree with that.
There is no female or male brain just a human brain. There are also many transgenders who are mean to non transgenders. Of course no one should get bullied and getting shit upon but Just disagree with the whole notion of a gender being in your head and not the product of your body. If I had XX chromosomes I would be a woman no matter how you spin it. There are many transgenders who will cal you transphobe for just disagreeing with their idea or not wanting to have sex with them or something like that.
It's also important to recognize people in a minority group, to put a face to it in order to understand it, here are just a few clips I found. (Sorry for posting so much, but I think this is an important and underspoken topic)
Just like, here are two transsexual people, are you going to yell at them? are you going to hate on them? are you going to call them freaks? Whatever, these are two people living their lives, let them do it - you don't have to like the programs they're on (I haven't seen either), but just let them be.
Science, bitch.
Science disagrees with you. There are male and female brains. Of course they are both human, but male and female brains are different.
If you "disagree" with transexualism, then yeah, you are a transphobe. You aren't if you don't want to have sex with them, just as someone who isn't attracted to black people isn't a racist.
I'm not saying everyone should be nice to transgender people no matter what, they're human, of course some are assholes. But don't be nasty to them JUST BECAUSE they are transgender.
There is no female or male brain just a human brain. There are also many transgenders who are mean to non transgenders. Of course no one sho… moreuld get bullied and getting shit upon but Just disagree with the whole notion of a gender being in your head and not the product of your body. If I had XX chromosomes I would be a woman no matter how you spin it. There are many transgenders who will cal you transphobe for just disagreeing with their idea or not wanting to have sex with them or something like that.
Majority of opinion doesn't make said opinion right. Majority of Americans are Christians, doesn't make them right either.
As far as I know, he isn't even transgender? But if they are, and people think "ew it's a man in a dress" then fuck them. I don't care if 99.99% of people think its weird, transgender people should be treated fairly and like the gender they truly are.
Majority of opinion doesn't make said opinion right. Majority of Americans are Christians, doesn't make them right either.
As far as I kn… moreow, he isn't even transgender? But if they are, and people think "ew it's a man in a dress" then fuck them. I don't care if 99.99% of people think its weird, transgender people should be treated fairly and like the gender they truly are.
Hence why better exposure well help people to become more accepting. You think lowly of your fellow man, most are able, just all they know about trans people is "gay guy trying to trick me into sex"
Majority of opinion doesn't make said opinion right
Opinions aren't right, they are just opinions. Your opinion and mine included.… more What matters is , what do. What is.
I don't see anything changing for transexuals anytime soon. Its just way beyond i think most peoples grasp of understanding.
But what does science say about men with female brains or vice versa. I think you got this whole DNA thing wrong too what do you mean with female and male DNA(it would probably be genes but ok) what separates us is having XX or having XY chromosomes. I can't understand why gender/sex can be a mental thing. For example I know I am a man because of male sexual organs there is not anything else. But yes you shouldn't be mean to people just because they are trans(the question is is disagreeing with them mean? Or considering its a mental disability/illness).
Science, bitch.
Science disagrees with you. There are male and female brains. Of course they are both human, but male and female brains are… more different.
If you "disagree" with transexualism, then yeah, you are a transphobe. You aren't if you don't want to have sex with them, just as someone who isn't attracted to black people isn't a racist.
I'm not saying everyone should be nice to transgender people no matter what, they're human, of course some are assholes. But don't be nasty to them JUST BECAUSE they are transgender.
You honestly don't think there is a difference between male and female brains? Men think differently to women, this is obvious just by being around people. Of course not all mean think exactly the same, but there is definitely a trend.
Example-
Women are more likely to want kids and be nurturing, and care more about feelings therefore there are more female nurses, babysitters, kindergarten teachers, counsellors etc.
But what does science say about men with female brains or vice versa. I think you got this whole DNA thing wrong too what do you mean with f… moreemale and male DNA(it would probably be genes but ok) what separates us is having XX or having XY chromosomes. I can't understand why gender/sex can be a mental thing. For example I know I am a man because of male sexual organs there is not anything else. But yes you shouldn't be mean to people just because they are trans(the question is is disagreeing with them mean? Or considering its a mental disability/illness).
The science doesn't matter people should be able to live their life their way, so long as they aren't evil or hurting anyone or whatever. Why do people get so offended by others making choices that are their right to make, no ones forcing sex changes on any one. I can understand that some people find it shocking or whatever, they just have to get over it and move with the times
Euhm can't women and men think differently because there are other things affecting them. Like hormones or the environment. Everyone things differently. But can a female brain even be in a mans brain? And will that make you a transgender? Do trans people follow such trends? Why do people need to lie to you for what you are(some trans demand that)? You cannot be a man in a woman's body because there is no mental gender. They are just social constructs.
You honestly don't think there is a difference between male and female brains? Men think differently to women, this is obvious just by being… more around people. Of course not all mean think exactly the same, but there is definitely a trend.
Example-
Women are more likely to want kids and be nurturing, and care more about feelings therefore there are more female nurses, babysitters, kindergarten teachers, counsellors etc.
But it does not give the right to transgendered to demand that you change the words you use or your view on genders. Or else you are transphobic. People can do whatever they please. But these authoritarian shits among them should stop demanding special treatment.
The science doesn't matter people should be able to live their life their way, so long as they aren't evil or hurting anyone or whatever. W… morehy do people get so offended by others making choices that are their right to make, no ones forcing sex changes on any one. I can understand that some people find it shocking or whatever, they just have to get over it and move with the times
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I'm talking about a man posing as a woman. Therefore, if I date this person, it will be physically homosexual, which I am not interested in.
Ummm. I beg to differ.
it doesnt?
call me closed minded but i dont want to date a dude. and i dont care if look fucking gorgeous, and trust me there has been a LOT of pictures and shit post on face book that showed those... people and they looked better than some women. but you were born with a dick, youre a dude, ypu were born with a vagina and uterus, or cervix, youre a woman. i dont have any problem with any gay people, or any man/woman whatever,but respect other people too. if that someone doesnt like a dude or a chick, being whatever fucking sex they are then why try to get someone like that?
Then you mean crossdressers? Or you mean a man who hasn't fully transitioned physically into a woman?
I think society will always be ignorant and simple minded to an extent and has a tendency to fear whats different or what they don't understand. Some people believe if you were born a certain gender you should live life as that gender. I dated a girl who posed as a boy she wasn't one of those lesbian looking types who have really short hair and try to be masculine. He/She was an emo that didn't wear any make up but didn't push the guy thing out of proportion I liked it about he/she I though it made them stand out among the crowd. It was brave, I admired it. She/He is still one of my best friends and I don't regret dating them. You can't choose who you like or love so why wait for the judgement of others. Its your life to do what you want no one else's.
"I know lots of people suffer for lots of different things, this issue just hurts me more than most "
I was just speaking on an issue I see a good friend experience. Of course other people suffer, doesn't mean we can't speak about different types of peoples suffering individually
Most people don't get killed for having a stutter. Transgender people may as well be kill on site with the amount of murders they get.
How is it special treatment, to use the toilet of the gender you are. That's just nasty. They're in a cubicle for fucks sake, how is anyone being harmed?
I think it is a lot more dangerous for a transgender women to use the men's toilets than it is for then women to have to be in the presence of a transgender woman in their toilets.
So you are saying you are your body, and not your brain. So if you had a brain transplant, you'd still really be your original body, the whereabouts of your brain is irrelevant?
Peoples genders are what their mind says it is, regardless if their body fucked up on them and gave them the wrong genitals.
Oh give me a break. People get murdered for many reasons, sexuality is the least common. That is like 1/ million. You are more likely to get killed walking your dog.
I'd like to compare the figures of people murdered FOR walking their dog compared to those of people murdered FOR being transgender.
Also, transgender isn't a sexuality.
Also, Google is your friend. ALOT of obviously transgendered people are killed just because some people thought "ew".
Yes, lots of people get killed. But not for who they are (at least in the western world.)
I laughed as well LOL, i was thinking to myself. YEAH That seems like a movie i would watch.
If you want to compare figures look up how many PTSD vets kill themselves each day, then compare it to your transgender count. Then get back to me.
If you really want to compare figures, look up how many Africans starve to death anyway. See...both suicidal vets and starving Africans, although sad deaths, are irrelevant to this topic.
Also, vets don't have to worry about going out in public because they'll probably get harassed or attacked just for simply existing.
You just proved my point, the point is there is always someone out there worse off than you. Where is the starving african thread. I haven't seen one of those yet.
You aren't a vet are you. I been called, baby killer, i been killed Mercenary for hire. Coming back from Iraq was really fun. Great experience.
Just because someone has it worse, doesn't mean you can't talk about it.
I must have missed the part where I said you in particular should watch it, George.
Pretty sure he said he doesn't care about that, just that if you are going to do it have enough respect for other people to inform them of it. And I completely agree with that.
you can talk about it all you want. Seems pointless imo, at this point what else needs to be said. Any new information on either side? Is either side going to change their viewpoint? Time to move on to another topic.
If we spoke about different types of peoples' suffering individually, this conversation would never end.
The issue with this, is Transgender people have the sexual organs of the sex that they transitioned to. IE. A man who turned into a woman, has a vagina, and breasts, and everything. Or a woman who is now a male, has a penis. So, if somebody has a penis, and is forced to use the woman's bathroom, that is a bad thing.
You don't have to apologize for not wanting to date a man or a transgender person. I don't think the OP was considering dating as asubject of this post.
I feel like this whole "I feel like a tree, I feel like a dolphin, I feel like ____," is really a bad faith argument. Are you really saying that, if a guy came in with long hair, painted nails, a skirt, high heels and make-up, you would be perfectly fine with it as long as they just didn't call themselves a woman? Getting into talking about chromosomes and the definition of sex versus gender really seems like an attempt to rationalize their disapproval of cross-gender behavior.
you know thats a great argument. i need to look back at my philosophy book and look that up. but then again looking at it from a scientific changes things... but then again it all really starts in philosophy.
but again we are talking about, the certain dna or the chromosomes that created that person into that gender(??). and again i can show you that example about that dude that feels he is fucking dog, btw how the hell does he make living??, so we're gonna use that argument too that somewhere nature fucked up and he was suppose to be a dog because his mind says" so?? but again no ill feeling towards any of them, i hope they get the right to get married, well idk if they are considered themselves homosexual but whatever
yes exactly this. if they start dating someone of the same sex, well the that they used to be... and have to mention that and you know people make a choice on that.
Nope, because there is no dog DNA for that guy to have recieved.
Was responding specifically too "if you were born with a penis you are a man" sentiment
There is no female or male brain just a human brain. There are also many transgenders who are mean to non transgenders. Of course no one should get bullied and getting shit upon but Just disagree with the whole notion of a gender being in your head and not the product of your body. If I had XX chromosomes I would be a woman no matter how you spin it. There are many transgenders who will cal you transphobe for just disagreeing with their idea or not wanting to have sex with them or something like that.
What do you honestly think normal people think of Bruce Jenner.
It's also important to recognize people in a minority group, to put a face to it in order to understand it, here are just a few clips I found. (Sorry for posting so much, but I think this is an important and underspoken topic)
Just like, here are two transsexual people, are you going to yell at them? are you going to hate on them? are you going to call them freaks? Whatever, these are two people living their lives, let them do it - you don't have to like the programs they're on (I haven't seen either), but just let them be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuZIp26WUKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYL92OUy_yM
Science, bitch.
Science disagrees with you. There are male and female brains. Of course they are both human, but male and female brains are different.
If you "disagree" with transexualism, then yeah, you are a transphobe. You aren't if you don't want to have sex with them, just as someone who isn't attracted to black people isn't a racist.
I'm not saying everyone should be nice to transgender people no matter what, they're human, of course some are assholes. But don't be nasty to them JUST BECAUSE they are transgender.
Majority of opinion doesn't make said opinion right. Majority of Americans are Christians, doesn't make them right either.
As far as I know, he isn't even transgender? But if they are, and people think "ew it's a man in a dress" then fuck them. I don't care if 99.99% of people think its weird, transgender people should be treated fairly and like the gender they truly are.
Opinions aren't right, they are just opinions. Your opinion and mine included. What matters is , what do. What is.
I don't see anything changing for transexuals anytime soon. Its just way beyond i think most peoples grasp of understanding.
Hence why better exposure well help people to become more accepting. You think lowly of your fellow man, most are able, just all they know about trans people is "gay guy trying to trick me into sex"
But what does science say about men with female brains or vice versa. I think you got this whole DNA thing wrong too what do you mean with female and male DNA(it would probably be genes but ok) what separates us is having XX or having XY chromosomes. I can't understand why gender/sex can be a mental thing. For example I know I am a man because of male sexual organs there is not anything else. But yes you shouldn't be mean to people just because they are trans(the question is is disagreeing with them mean? Or considering its a mental disability/illness).
You honestly don't think there is a difference between male and female brains? Men think differently to women, this is obvious just by being around people. Of course not all mean think exactly the same, but there is definitely a trend.
Example-
Women are more likely to want kids and be nurturing, and care more about feelings therefore there are more female nurses, babysitters, kindergarten teachers, counsellors etc.
The science doesn't matter people should be able to live their life their way, so long as they aren't evil or hurting anyone or whatever. Why do people get so offended by others making choices that are their right to make, no ones forcing sex changes on any one. I can understand that some people find it shocking or whatever, they just have to get over it and move with the times
Euhm can't women and men think differently because there are other things affecting them. Like hormones or the environment. Everyone things differently. But can a female brain even be in a mans brain? And will that make you a transgender? Do trans people follow such trends? Why do people need to lie to you for what you are(some trans demand that)? You cannot be a man in a woman's body because there is no mental gender. They are just social constructs.
But it does not give the right to transgendered to demand that you change the words you use or your view on genders. Or else you are transphobic. People can do whatever they please. But these authoritarian shits among them should stop demanding special treatment.