I agree that's why Russians were so effective against those terrorists. The west avoided those areas so the ISIS used it as their bases and warehouses, so if they want to defeat ISIS they can't pull the punches.
ISIS are in and using those areas what should they do? War is horrible, pretty much every war ever has civilian causalities, there often unavoidable. ISIS are causing chaos in these regions, they have to be stopped somehow.
Oh right, so if ISIS is mostly located in Iraq we should go and strike Syria, mainly the cities where civilians live, best logic ever!
Assad is nothing but a faceless rat whose wish is to destroy anyone who opposes him so that he can have the presidential chair for himself, when the Syrian revolution erupted way back in 2011 it was mainly just peaceful civilians who wanted some of that "freedom" that the west keeps promoting, but of course, how could Assad leave the chair for other people instead of his son? So of course he starts a mass slaughter against his people so that only supporters would remain and that's what led to a war.
But of course, the world leaders won't have a "protest" against "terrorism", Mark won't put a red filter in Facebook to help people show their support and world landmarks won't glow in red for a while, because.. it's a war, no one can do anything.
Tragic but Assad is the last semblence of order there so I support him. Rebels were proven to make deals with ISIS on multiple occasions so their win is a big no.We all saw how well it turned out in Libia after Kadafi.
Assad is nothing but a faceless rat whose wish is to destroy anyone who opposes him so that he can have the presidential chair for himself, when the Syrian revolution erupted way back in 2011 it was mainly just peaceful civilians who wanted some of that "freedom" that the west keeps promoting, but of course, how could Assad leave the chair for other people instead of his son?
Your kind of simplifying both sides a lot there. It may have started peaceful both most if not all rebel groups have dabbled with extremism and just because they rebel doesnt give them a right to rule, other countries that have overthrown there leaders have spread into chaos. I find Assad preferable to these extremists
But of course, the world leaders won't have a "protest" against "terrorism",
What do you want them to do to solve the conflict? Not criticize the situation but a solution
Oh right, so if ISIS is mostly located in Iraq we should go and strike Syria, mainly the cities where civilians live, best logic ever!
As… moresad is nothing but a faceless rat whose wish is to destroy anyone who opposes him so that he can have the presidential chair for himself, when the Syrian revolution erupted way back in 2011 it was mainly just peaceful civilians who wanted some of that "freedom" that the west keeps promoting, but of course, how could Assad leave the chair for other people instead of his son? So of course he starts a mass slaughter against his people so that only supporters would remain and that's what led to a war.
But of course, the world leaders won't have a "protest" against "terrorism", Mark won't put a red filter in Facebook to help people show their support and world landmarks won't glow in red for a while, because.. it's a war, no one can do anything.
Ok, I want you to give me a statistic of how many of the ISIS troops are in Syria compared to Iraq, just to compare things here.
Your kind of simplifying both sides a lot there. It may have started peaceful both most if not all rebel groups have dabbled with extremism and just because they rebel doesnt give them a right to rule, other countries that have overthrown there leaders have spread into chaos. I find Assad preferable to these extremists
And why did it turn into a war? Because Assad started it first. Isn't democracy all about the people ruling themselves, where's the democracy here when Assad inherited his chair from father from grandfather? The rebels have all the right to rule their country and if not for the constant revolutions that have happened in Europe, it wouldn't have been what it is today.
Also "extremism" and "terrorism" is a really vague term here, everybody here is a terrorist according to the definition of terrorism, but what makes Assad a better "terrorist"? Because the world leaders support him!
What do you want them to do to solve the conflict? Not criticize the situation but a solution
I don't know, maybe STOP THE WAR AND STOP STICKING THEIR NOSE IN EVERYBODY'S BUSINESSES?
ISIS is mostly located
Said it yourself, they are everywhere.
Assad is nothing but a faceless rat whose wish is to destroy any… moreone who opposes him so that he can have the presidential chair for himself, when the Syrian revolution erupted way back in 2011 it was mainly just peaceful civilians who wanted some of that "freedom" that the west keeps promoting, but of course, how could Assad leave the chair for other people instead of his son?
Your kind of simplifying both sides a lot there. It may have started peaceful both most if not all rebel groups have dabbled with extremism and just because they rebel doesnt give them a right to rule, other countries that have overthrown there leaders have spread into chaos. I find Assad preferable to these extremists
But of course, the world leaders won't have a "protest" against "terrorism",
What do you want them to do to solve the conflict? Not criticize the situation but a solution
Oh right, so if ISIS is mostly located in Iraq we should go and strike Syria, mainly the cities where civilians live, best logic ever!
Not only ISIS I believe that Nursa is assosiated with Al-Queda, so yeah also terrorists.
Assad is nothing but a faceless rat whose wish is to destroy anyone who opposes him so that he can have the presidential chair for himself, when the Syrian revolution erupted way back in 2011 it was mainly just peaceful civilians who wanted some of that "freedom" that the west keeps promoting, but of course, how could Assad leave the chair for other people instead of his son? So of course he starts a mass slaughter against his people so that only supporters would remain and that's what led to a war.
And how that ,,freedom" ended? Libia civil war, Egypt rise of Muslim Brotherhood that wanted to turn it into the same shithole as Saudi Arabia just to get overthrown by army again luckily...So yeah better secular dictators than religious nutjobs. The West is to blame here...
But of course, the world leaders won't have a "protest" against "terrorism", Mark won't put a red filter in Facebook to help people show their support and world landmarks won't glow in red for a while, because.. it's a war, no one can do anything.
Again a pointless thing with no real meaning IMO maybe add drawing on a pavement to that... Sorry mate but Assad's win is the only way to stabilise whole region.
Oh right, so if ISIS is mostly located in Iraq we should go and strike Syria, mainly the cities where civilians live, best logic ever!
As… moresad is nothing but a faceless rat whose wish is to destroy anyone who opposes him so that he can have the presidential chair for himself, when the Syrian revolution erupted way back in 2011 it was mainly just peaceful civilians who wanted some of that "freedom" that the west keeps promoting, but of course, how could Assad leave the chair for other people instead of his son? So of course he starts a mass slaughter against his people so that only supporters would remain and that's what led to a war.
But of course, the world leaders won't have a "protest" against "terrorism", Mark won't put a red filter in Facebook to help people show their support and world landmarks won't glow in red for a while, because.. it's a war, no one can do anything.
ISIS uses "innocent" civilians as a shield. It makes sense to make use of locations such as hospitals so that international community raises hell over the bombings of such targets.
The thing about "bad" people is that they tend to know how to push the "good guys" obey them. See well organized bank robbery for example. Even though it's already a failure if the police gets them surrounded, they sure as hell know how to use hostages to give them a fighting chance. Assad can't realistically save every civilian during the war, when they are caught middle of it and that doesn't make him fundamentally bad person in that regard.
This is why I dont comment on discussion like this, some incredibly angry immature guy starts blasting me with rants. Its an incredibly unanswerable and complicated problem, both sides have right and wrong points with them and innocent civilians in the crossfire. I dont think either system is any good and I certainly wouldnt want to live under either. Acting like these rebels will make everything better by overthrowing assad is pretty ridiculous.
Ok, I want you to give me a statistic of how many of the ISIS troops are in Syria compared to Iraq,
Thats impossible and you know it is. ISIS has a strong hold but they are an insurgency, they are everywhere.
The rebels have all the right to rule their country and if not for the constant revolutions that have happened in Europe, it wouldn't have been what it is today.
Thats again very simplistic, Plenty of rebellions have failed, and more importantly tons of rebellions are successful at taking over but no leadership. Once assad is gone you will have several factions including ISIS fighting for control from each other. Also your acting like these rebels are peaceful and having also committed horrifc acts
I don't know, maybe STOP THE WAR AND STOP STICKING THEIR NOSE IN EVERYBODY'S BUSINESSES?
Thanks for the well thought out rational answer. Also you want them to stop the war and not stick there nose in at the same time? You'll be the guy giving them grief once assad is gone and the place is in chaos.
Oh, we are going to havethat argument, fine!
Said it yourself, they are everywhere.
Ok, I want you to give me a statistic of h… moreow many of the ISIS troops are in Syria compared to Iraq, just to compare things here.
Your kind of simplifying both sides a lot there. It may have started peaceful both most if not all rebel groups have dabbled with extremism and just because they rebel doesnt give them a right to rule, other countries that have overthrown there leaders have spread into chaos. I find Assad preferable to these extremists
And why did it turn into a war? Because Assad started it first. Isn't democracy all about the people ruling themselves, where's the democracy here when Assad inherited his chair from father from grandfather? The rebels have all the right to rule their country and if not for the constant revolutions that have happened in Europe, it wouldn't have been what it is today.
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Oh please, Assad was targeting civilians long before ISIS became a serious factor in the war. If there's suspected rebels in a district, his men simply flatten the district instead of trying to identify enemy positions. The man isn't trying to save anyone. It's gross neglect at best and an attempt to sow terror through mass-slaughter at worst.
Assad is a more destructive force in Syria than ISIS.
ISIS uses "innocent" civilians as a shield. It makes sense to make use of locations such as hospitals so that international community raises… more hell over the bombings of such targets.
The thing about "bad" people is that they tend to know how to push the "good guys" obey them. See well organized bank robbery for example. Even though it's already a failure if the police gets them surrounded, they sure as hell know how to use hostages to give them a fighting chance. Assad can't realistically save every civilian during the war, when they are caught middle of it and that doesn't make him fundamentally bad person in that regard.
No one is claiming hes a good guy. Hes a dictator. I just find him preferable to ISIS or any of these rebel groups, what is going to happen when the guy is gone? Its going to be numerous seperate rebel groups including ISIS fighting for control. It will be a much longer time until their is peace in Syria in that case.
Oh please, Assad was targeting civilians long before ISIS became a serious factor in the war. If there's suspected rebels in a district, hi… mores men simply flatten the district instead of trying to identify enemy positions. The man isn't trying to save anyone. It's gross neglect at best and an attempt to sow terror through mass-slaughter at worst.
Assad is a more destructive force in Syria than ISIS.
Yet Assad don't sent his men to kill people in Europe.... He's at war there if he lose he dies so it's obvious he's going to do everything to win. Also thanks to him multiple priceless artifacts were saved from ISIS as they destoryed every ancient structure in their path...
Oh please, Assad was targeting civilians long before ISIS became a serious factor in the war. If there's suspected rebels in a district, hi… mores men simply flatten the district instead of trying to identify enemy positions. The man isn't trying to save anyone. It's gross neglect at best and an attempt to sow terror through mass-slaughter at worst.
Assad is a more destructive force in Syria than ISIS.
I agree that's why Russians were so effective against those terrorists. The west avoided those areas so the ISIS used it as their bases and warehouses, so if they want to defeat ISIS they can't pull the punches.
ISIS uses "innocent" civilians as a shield. It makes sense to make use of locations such as hospitals so that international community raises… more hell over the bombings of such targets.
The thing about "bad" people is that they tend to know how to push the "good guys" obey them. See well organized bank robbery for example. Even though it's already a failure if the police gets them surrounded, they sure as hell know how to use hostages to give them a fighting chance. Assad can't realistically save every civilian during the war, when they are caught middle of it and that doesn't make him fundamentally bad person in that regard.
If ISIS is in the mosquee using it as defense, it became by law a thing owning to the opposing army, making it left to strike. But I see nowhere it's the case. You can't violate the international laws like that.
Also stop praising Russia as the only strike force against ISIS; it's like they're the only ones according to some propaganda.
ISIS are in and using those areas what should they do? War is horrible, pretty much every war ever has civilian causalities, there often unavoidable. ISIS are causing chaos in these regions, they have to be stopped somehow.
The number of civilians killed in Europe is very small. Protective measure need to be taken, but it's no cause for hysteria. Assad's killed way more Syrian civilians with indiscriminate bombings than ISIS could ever ever hope to kill with their knives. He's not a lesser evil. Just an evil.
I've already accepted the fact that he will wn though, it's just a matter of time. There's no way the FSA can break out of their pockets. Yet the rebels can't stop fighting because they're probably going to be put up against a wall or sent to die in prison camps when they surrender.
Yet Assad don't sent his men to kill people in Europe.... He's at war there if he lose he dies so it's obvious he's going to do everything t… moreo win. Also thanks to him multiple priceless artifacts were saved from ISIS as they destoryed every ancient structure in their path...
Out of all of them he's the lesser evil...
The number of civilians killed in Europe is very small.Protective measure need to be taken, but it's no cause for hysteria
Really? Wonder if you were so nonchalant about it if they started to massacre everyone in your neighborhood...
Assad's killed way more Syrian civilians with indiscriminate bombings than ISIS could ever ever hope to kill with their knives. He's not a lesser evil. Just an evil.
The number of civilians killed in Europe is very small. Protective measure need to be taken, but it's no cause for hysteria. Assad's kille… mored way more Syrian civilians with indiscriminate bombings than ISIS could ever ever hope to kill with their knives. He's not a lesser evil. Just an evil.
I've already accepted the fact that he will wn though, it's just a matter of time. There's no way the FSA can break out of their pockets. Yet the rebels can't stop fighting because they're probably going to be put up against a wall or sent to die in prison camps when they surrender.
Oh please, Assad was targeting civilians long before ISIS became a serious factor in the war. If there's suspected rebels in a district, hi… mores men simply flatten the district instead of trying to identify enemy positions. The man isn't trying to save anyone. It's gross neglect at best and an attempt to sow terror through mass-slaughter at worst.
Assad is a more destructive force in Syria than ISIS.
I think Russia is using ISIS as a pretense to focus on Assad's other rivals. The YPG/J recently launched an offensive against the regime, so once the FSA is history, the Kurds could very well be next to get it.
ISIS is the smallest factor there true. But I think that Russia will use Kurds instead of fighting them. They'll make Assad give them semi-independent region to destabilize Turkey, since they're on a verge of open civil war there...so yeah the NATO south-east flank will soon collapse thanks to Putin master manipulation and Erdogan idiocy and islamization
Sounds like wishful thinking
I think Russia is using ISIS as a pretense to focus on Assad's other rivals. The YPG/J recently launched an offensive against the regime, so once the FSA is history, the Kurds could very well be next to get it.
Russia: So effective against ISIS that the vast majority of their strikes hit the FSA.
I have no doubt that they are targeting the other rebel groups. They are pro assad. They want all the rebel groups defeated. Honestly they are trying to stabilize the country however horribly they are doing it. Even if the many reports of extremism in all these rebel groups isnt true im not seeing how these various disorganized rebel groups will be any better than assad at ruling the country. If people rebel in any country they are arrested and charged (and thats in the west), regardless of how they started they are armed violent rebels, there just as much to blame for all the violence.
Again Im not even pro assad I just think hes the best option for peace in the shortest time period.
Really? Wonder if you were so nonchalant about it if they started to massacre everyone in your neighborhood.
I wonder if you'd be so non-chalant about civilian deaths if the government started dropping incendiaries and barrel bombs on your neighborhood. See? I can make irrelevant statements too.
Again it's a warzone different rules apply.
i'm pretty sure the don't kill massive numbers of your own people rule still applies. If you want, I can probably dig into my old International Law textbook and find it. Thankfully for Assad, history is written by the victor and judging by the war crimes apologia in this thread, his (and Russia's) propoganda apparatus is well on his way to flipping the narrative.
The number of civilians killed in Europe is very small.Protective measure need to be taken, but it's no cause for hysteria
Really? W… moreonder if you were so nonchalant about it if they started to massacre everyone in your neighborhood...
Assad's killed way more Syrian civilians with indiscriminate bombings than ISIS could ever ever hope to kill with their knives. He's not a lesser evil. Just an evil.
Again it's a warzone different rules apply.
My neighborhood is not a warzone nor my country is at war. It's one thing to bomb your enemies that tries to kill you other go and kill people that had nothing to do with it and do not threaten you in any way in the name of some long dead guy.
Civies death are tragic but it's war.
See? I can make irrelevant statements too.
Funny you get so worked up for syrians but doing the same for europeans is hysteria and fear mongering...
the war crimes apologia in this thread, his (and Russia's) propoganda apparatus is well on his way to flipping the narrative.
Really? Wonder if you were so nonchalant about it if they started to massacre everyone in your neighborhood.
I wonder if you'd be so… more non-chalant about civilian deaths if the government started dropping incendiaries and barrel bombs on your neighborhood. See? I can make irrelevant statements too.
Again it's a warzone different rules apply.
i'm pretty sure the don't kill massive numbers of your own people rule still applies. If you want, I can probably dig into my old International Law textbook and find it. Thankfully for Assad, history is written by the victor and judging by the war crimes apologia in this thread, his (and Russia's) propoganda apparatus is well on his way to flipping the narrative.
and judging by the war crimes apologia in this thread
Who in here is doing that? Accusing people of something they havnt done or exaggerating what people have said isnt a good thing to do.
I find war as a whole a crime, its leads to massive loss of life. Everything done in it is horrific and I find the thought that anyone finds any side in any war good or evil absurd. I'd like to see a side in any war that hasnt committed horrific acts. That doesnt make it right.
propoganda apparatus is well on his way to flipping the narrative
But everything out of syria is propaganda? unless you've actually been in syria you cant say anything is or isnt propaganda? In fact even then you wouldnt have seen every eventuality
I see nothing about these rebel groups in their current states that would be a suitable alternative or a better alternative. What is your solution to this problem? Regardless of what has happened before now what is your solution to this problem.
Really? Wonder if you were so nonchalant about it if they started to massacre everyone in your neighborhood.
I wonder if you'd be so… more non-chalant about civilian deaths if the government started dropping incendiaries and barrel bombs on your neighborhood. See? I can make irrelevant statements too.
Again it's a warzone different rules apply.
i'm pretty sure the don't kill massive numbers of your own people rule still applies. If you want, I can probably dig into my old International Law textbook and find it. Thankfully for Assad, history is written by the victor and judging by the war crimes apologia in this thread, his (and Russia's) propoganda apparatus is well on his way to flipping the narrative.
Funny you get so worked up for syrians but doing the same for europeans is hysteria and fear mongering...
It's scale. 25 deaths in a mass attack is a slow day for Syria. Mind you. 25 dead is too many in any circumstance, and I think you guys have every right to be upset at your leaders about everything that's happened, but it's also important to understand the scale of the tragedy unfolding in Europe versus the scale of the tragedy in Syria. There's simply no comparison.
My neighborhood is not a warzone nor my country is at war. It's one thing to bomb your enemies that tries to kill you other go and kill peop… morele that had nothing to do with it and do not threaten you in any way in the name of some long dead guy.
Civies death are tragic but it's war.
See? I can make irrelevant statements too.
Funny you get so worked up for syrians but doing the same for europeans is hysteria and fear mongering...
the war crimes apologia in this thread, his (and Russia's) propoganda apparatus is well on his way to flipping the narrative.
Who is doing that here?
t's scale. 25 deaths in a mass attack is a day for Syria. Mind you. 25 dead is too many in any circumstance, and I think you guys have every right to be upset at your leaders about everything that's happened, but it's also important to understand the scale of the tragedy unfolding in Europe versus the scale of the tragedy in Syria. There's simply no comparison.
True but are you aware that the gov of holland and belgium bought milions of iodine pill for their citizents? Yes you guessed in case of an attack on nuclear powerplant. They already fired all muslims from working there.... So yeah 25 a day is tragic but who knows how many of those morons are already in Europe so I guess next time the victims will be more numerous...
Funny you get so worked up for syrians but doing the same for europeans is hysteria and fear mongering...
It's scale. 25 deaths in … morea mass attack is a slow day for Syria. Mind you. 25 dead is too many in any circumstance, and I think you guys have every right to be upset at your leaders about everything that's happened, but it's also important to understand the scale of the tragedy unfolding in Europe versus the scale of the tragedy in Syria. There's simply no comparison.
Who in here is doing that? Accusing people of something they havnt done or exaggerating what people have said isnt a good thing to do.
Shrugging at the regime's atrocities because ISIS is the bigger threat is apologia.
find war as a whole a crime, its leads to massive loss of life. Everything done in it is horrific and I find the thought that anyone finds any side in any war good or evil absurd. I'd like to see a side in any war that hasnt committed horrific acts. That doesnt make it right.
So, there was no good side in WWII then? Okay. Even before the war, Assad's Syria was a police state where friends informed on each other and shabiha gangs dragged people off in the night to be tortured and executed by the state. I 100% support the people in rising up.
But everything out of syria is propaganda? unless you've actually been in syria you cant say anything is or isnt propaganda? In fact even then you would have seen every eventuality
Give me a break, I've been following the war since it started and know pro-Assad mannerisms and RT bullshit when I see it. Just look at Nightmare's post.
I see nothing about these rebel groups in their current states that would be a suitable alternative or a better alternative. What is your solution to this problem? Regardless of what has happened before now what is your solution to this problem.
I already stated that the rebels will lose. The time for decisive intervention in the war is over. However that in now way entitles the butcher to the world's support. If God is good, maybe a car-bomb will go off during his victory parade. Either way, the bile is rising in my throat and. I don't want to get banned again, so I think I'll be steering clear of this thread from now on.
Sorry your thread got turned into a pro-Assad shithole, @ZapThroat. You tried, man.
and judging by the war crimes apologia in this thread
Who in here is doing that? Accusing people of something they havnt done or exa… moreggerating what people have said isnt a good thing to do.
I find war as a whole a crime, its leads to massive loss of life. Everything done in it is horrific and I find the thought that anyone finds any side in any war good or evil absurd. I'd like to see a side in any war that hasnt committed horrific acts. That doesnt make it right.
propoganda apparatus is well on his way to flipping the narrative
But everything out of syria is propaganda? unless you've actually been in syria you cant say anything is or isnt propaganda? In fact even then you wouldnt have seen every eventuality
I see nothing about these rebel groups in their current states that would be a suitable alternative or a better alternative. What is your solution to this problem? Regardless of what has happened before now what is your solution to this problem.
It's okay, I was already expecting something like that would happen, I mean, you can't even have an actual argument when you're discussing basic human rights.
Who in here is doing that? Accusing people of something they havnt done or exaggerating what people have said isnt a good thing to do.
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Shrugging at the regime's atrocities because ISIS is the bigger threat is apologia.
find war as a whole a crime, its leads to massive loss of life. Everything done in it is horrific and I find the thought that anyone finds any side in any war good or evil absurd. I'd like to see a side in any war that hasnt committed horrific acts. That doesnt make it right.
So, there was no good side in WWII then? Okay. Even before the war, Assad's Syria was a police state where friends informed on each other and shabiha gangs dragged people off in the night to be tortured and executed by the state. I 100% support the people in rising up.
But everything out of syria is propaganda? unless you've actually been in syria you cant say anything is or isnt propaganda? In fact even then you would have s… [view original content]
Shrugging at the regime's atrocities because ISIS is the bigger threat is apologia.
I dont think anyone here is shrugging at anything, but the lesser evil argument comes to mind. Getting rid of asssad for....rebels who have done just as horrible things doesnt seem like a solution.
So, there was no good side in WWII then?
Are you kidding NO no there wasnt, no side was good entirely.
Id say every major country bombed the absolute fuck out of each other, Britain, germany, france so many people died in that war, there were so many reports of torture, rape and more. The Nazis were evil, the german people as a whole were not, so many people died.
If God is good, maybe a car-bomb will go off during his victory parade.
Okay....wow, sorry but i'm done your clearly irrational and psychotic. You want a bomb to explode and kill this guy (and likely many people around him) destable an entire country and lead to more conflict, death and destruction?
Assad is the best current option for peace, reforms could come after that time, but the aim for most world powers at the moment is surely peace there?
Who in here is doing that? Accusing people of something they havnt done or exaggerating what people have said isnt a good thing to do.
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Shrugging at the regime's atrocities because ISIS is the bigger threat is apologia.
find war as a whole a crime, its leads to massive loss of life. Everything done in it is horrific and I find the thought that anyone finds any side in any war good or evil absurd. I'd like to see a side in any war that hasnt committed horrific acts. That doesnt make it right.
So, there was no good side in WWII then? Okay. Even before the war, Assad's Syria was a police state where friends informed on each other and shabiha gangs dragged people off in the night to be tortured and executed by the state. I 100% support the people in rising up.
But everything out of syria is propaganda? unless you've actually been in syria you cant say anything is or isnt propaganda? In fact even then you would have s… [view original content]
It's okay, I was already expecting something like that would happen, I mean, you can't even have an actual argument when you're discussing basic human rights.
I find the current overoffended culture ridiculous, but joking about recently and currently suffering people in a thread about them just seems like a pointless horrible thing to do.
I find the current overoffended culture ridiculous, but joking about recently and currently suffering people in a thread about them just seems like a pointless horrible thing to do.
I find the current overoffended culture ridiculous, but joking about recently and currently suffering people in a thread about them just seems like a pointless horrible thing to do.
Ok, aside from all the political crap that this thread has derailed into. Does anyone know a good charity that I could send my donations to? I really wanna do something more than just changing my profile pic.
There are a fair number out there, however like any charity im not sure how much of your money would make it to the people in need, particularly in a warzone. I cant really recommend one in particular, a lot of childrens charities are trying to help the most vulnerable there.
Ok, aside from all the political crap that this thread has derailed into. Does anyone know a good charity that I could send my donations to? I really wanna do something more than just changing my profile pic.
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I agree that's why Russians were so effective against those terrorists. The west avoided those areas so the ISIS used it as their bases and warehouses, so if they want to defeat ISIS they can't pull the punches.
Oh right, so if ISIS is mostly located in Iraq we should go and strike Syria, mainly the cities where civilians live, best logic ever!
Assad is nothing but a faceless rat whose wish is to destroy anyone who opposes him so that he can have the presidential chair for himself, when the Syrian revolution erupted way back in 2011 it was mainly just peaceful civilians who wanted some of that "freedom" that the west keeps promoting, but of course, how could Assad leave the chair for other people instead of his son? So of course he starts a mass slaughter against his people so that only supporters would remain and that's what led to a war.
But of course, the world leaders won't have a "protest" against "terrorism", Mark won't put a red filter in Facebook to help people show their support and world landmarks won't glow in red for a while, because.. it's a war, no one can do anything.
Said it yourself, they are everywhere.
Your kind of simplifying both sides a lot there. It may have started peaceful both most if not all rebel groups have dabbled with extremism and just because they rebel doesnt give them a right to rule, other countries that have overthrown there leaders have spread into chaos. I find Assad preferable to these extremists
What do you want them to do to solve the conflict? Not criticize the situation but a solution
Oh, we are going to havethat argument, fine!
Ok, I want you to give me a statistic of how many of the ISIS troops are in Syria compared to Iraq, just to compare things here.
And why did it turn into a war? Because Assad started it first. Isn't democracy all about the people ruling themselves, where's the democracy here when Assad inherited his chair from father from grandfather? The rebels have all the right to rule their country and if not for the constant revolutions that have happened in Europe, it wouldn't have been what it is today.
Also "extremism" and "terrorism" is a really vague term here, everybody here is a terrorist according to the definition of terrorism, but what makes Assad a better "terrorist"? Because the world leaders support him!
I don't know, maybe STOP THE WAR AND STOP STICKING THEIR NOSE IN EVERYBODY'S BUSINESSES?
Not only ISIS I believe that Nursa is assosiated with Al-Queda, so yeah also terrorists.
And how that ,,freedom" ended? Libia civil war, Egypt rise of Muslim Brotherhood that wanted to turn it into the same shithole as Saudi Arabia just to get overthrown by army again luckily...So yeah better secular dictators than religious nutjobs. The West is to blame here...
Again a pointless thing with no real meaning IMO maybe add drawing on a pavement to that... Sorry mate but Assad's win is the only way to stabilise whole region.
ISIS uses "innocent" civilians as a shield. It makes sense to make use of locations such as hospitals so that international community raises hell over the bombings of such targets.
The thing about "bad" people is that they tend to know how to push the "good guys" obey them. See well organized bank robbery for example. Even though it's already a failure if the police gets them surrounded, they sure as hell know how to use hostages to give them a fighting chance. Assad can't realistically save every civilian during the war, when they are caught middle of it and that doesn't make him fundamentally bad person in that regard.
This is why I dont comment on discussion like this, some incredibly angry immature guy starts blasting me with rants. Its an incredibly unanswerable and complicated problem, both sides have right and wrong points with them and innocent civilians in the crossfire. I dont think either system is any good and I certainly wouldnt want to live under either. Acting like these rebels will make everything better by overthrowing assad is pretty ridiculous.
Thats impossible and you know it is. ISIS has a strong hold but they are an insurgency, they are everywhere.
Thats again very simplistic, Plenty of rebellions have failed, and more importantly tons of rebellions are successful at taking over but no leadership. Once assad is gone you will have several factions including ISIS fighting for control from each other. Also your acting like these rebels are peaceful and having also committed horrifc acts
Thanks for the well thought out rational answer. Also you want them to stop the war and not stick there nose in at the same time? You'll be the guy giving them grief once assad is gone and the place is in chaos.
Oh please, Assad was targeting civilians long before ISIS became a serious factor in the war. If there's suspected rebels in a district, his men simply flatten the district instead of trying to identify enemy positions. The man isn't trying to save anyone. It's gross neglect at best and an attempt to sow terror through mass-slaughter at worst.
Assad is a more destructive force in Syria than ISIS.
No one is claiming hes a good guy. Hes a dictator. I just find him preferable to ISIS or any of these rebel groups, what is going to happen when the guy is gone? Its going to be numerous seperate rebel groups including ISIS fighting for control. It will be a much longer time until their is peace in Syria in that case.
Yet Assad don't sent his men to kill people in Europe.... He's at war there if he lose he dies so it's obvious he's going to do everything to win. Also thanks to him multiple priceless artifacts were saved from ISIS as they destoryed every ancient structure in their path...
Out of all of them he's the lesser evil...
Russia: So effective against ISIS that the vast majority of their strikes hit the FSA.
I agree with one thing, there is no moral high ground in a war.
If ISIS is in the mosquee using it as defense, it became by law a thing owning to the opposing army, making it left to strike. But I see nowhere it's the case. You can't violate the international laws like that.
Also stop praising Russia as the only strike force against ISIS; it's like they're the only ones according to some propaganda.
The number of civilians killed in Europe is very small. Protective measure need to be taken, but it's no cause for hysteria. Assad's killed way more Syrian civilians with indiscriminate bombings than ISIS could ever ever hope to kill with their knives. He's not a lesser evil. Just an evil.
I've already accepted the fact that he will wn though, it's just a matter of time. There's no way the FSA can break out of their pockets. Yet the rebels can't stop fighting because they're probably going to be put up against a wall or sent to die in prison camps when they surrender.
They helped to re-take Palmyra didn't they? Also Al-Nura is also a terroris organization. So most likely after Aleppo's fall they will focus on ISIS
Really? Wonder if you were so nonchalant about it if they started to massacre everyone in your neighborhood...
Again it's a warzone different rules apply.
I wasn't calling Assad a good guy.
Sounds like wishful thinking
I think Russia is using ISIS as a pretense to focus on Assad's other rivals. The YPG/J recently launched an offensive against the regime, so once the FSA is history, the Kurds could very well be next to get it.
ISIS is the smallest factor there true. But I think that Russia will use Kurds instead of fighting them. They'll make Assad give them semi-independent region to destabilize Turkey, since they're on a verge of open civil war there...so yeah the NATO south-east flank will soon collapse thanks to Putin master manipulation and Erdogan idiocy and islamization
I have no doubt that they are targeting the other rebel groups. They are pro assad. They want all the rebel groups defeated. Honestly they are trying to stabilize the country however horribly they are doing it. Even if the many reports of extremism in all these rebel groups isnt true im not seeing how these various disorganized rebel groups will be any better than assad at ruling the country. If people rebel in any country they are arrested and charged (and thats in the west), regardless of how they started they are armed violent rebels, there just as much to blame for all the violence.
Again Im not even pro assad I just think hes the best option for peace in the shortest time period.
I wonder if you'd be so non-chalant about civilian deaths if the government started dropping incendiaries and barrel bombs on your neighborhood. See? I can make irrelevant statements too.
i'm pretty sure the don't kill massive numbers of your own people rule still applies. If you want, I can probably dig into my old International Law textbook and find it. Thankfully for Assad, history is written by the victor and judging by the war crimes apologia in this thread, his (and Russia's) propoganda apparatus is well on his way to flipping the narrative.
My neighborhood is not a warzone nor my country is at war. It's one thing to bomb your enemies that tries to kill you other go and kill people that had nothing to do with it and do not threaten you in any way in the name of some long dead guy.
Civies death are tragic but it's war.
Funny you get so worked up for syrians but doing the same for europeans is hysteria and fear mongering...
Who is doing that here?
Who in here is doing that? Accusing people of something they havnt done or exaggerating what people have said isnt a good thing to do.
I find war as a whole a crime, its leads to massive loss of life. Everything done in it is horrific and I find the thought that anyone finds any side in any war good or evil absurd. I'd like to see a side in any war that hasnt committed horrific acts. That doesnt make it right.
But everything out of syria is propaganda? unless you've actually been in syria you cant say anything is or isnt propaganda? In fact even then you wouldnt have seen every eventuality
I see nothing about these rebel groups in their current states that would be a suitable alternative or a better alternative. What is your solution to this problem? Regardless of what has happened before now what is your solution to this problem.
Offense cannot be given.
It's scale. 25 deaths in a mass attack is a slow day for Syria. Mind you. 25 dead is too many in any circumstance, and I think you guys have every right to be upset at your leaders about everything that's happened, but it's also important to understand the scale of the tragedy unfolding in Europe versus the scale of the tragedy in Syria. There's simply no comparison.
True but are you aware that the gov of holland and belgium bought milions of iodine pill for their citizents? Yes you guessed in case of an attack on nuclear powerplant. They already fired all muslims from working there.... So yeah 25 a day is tragic but who knows how many of those morons are already in Europe so I guess next time the victims will be more numerous...
Some people's egos are so high that even the ants can't see where the fuck they are.
Death is never a joke. Never.
Damn. Guess I'll need to dawn my cap.
Fuck it. It's supposed to be a white pointed hat picture. Use your imagination.
Shrugging at the regime's atrocities because ISIS is the bigger threat is apologia.
So, there was no good side in WWII then? Okay. Even before the war, Assad's Syria was a police state where friends informed on each other and shabiha gangs dragged people off in the night to be tortured and executed by the state. I 100% support the people in rising up.
Give me a break, I've been following the war since it started and know pro-Assad mannerisms and RT bullshit when I see it. Just look at Nightmare's post.
I already stated that the rebels will lose. The time for decisive intervention in the war is over. However that in now way entitles the butcher to the world's support. If God is good, maybe a car-bomb will go off during his victory parade. Either way, the bile is rising in my throat and. I don't want to get banned again, so I think I'll be steering clear of this thread from now on.
Sorry your thread got turned into a pro-Assad shithole, @ZapThroat. You tried, man.
It's okay, I was already expecting something like that would happen, I mean, you can't even have an actual argument when you're discussing basic human rights.
I dont think anyone here is shrugging at anything, but the lesser evil argument comes to mind. Getting rid of asssad for....rebels who have done just as horrible things doesnt seem like a solution.
Are you kidding NO no there wasnt, no side was good entirely.
Id say every major country bombed the absolute fuck out of each other, Britain, germany, france so many people died in that war, there were so many reports of torture, rape and more. The Nazis were evil, the german people as a whole were not, so many people died.
Okay....wow, sorry but i'm done your clearly irrational and psychotic. You want a bomb to explode and kill this guy (and likely many people around him) destable an entire country and lead to more conflict, death and destruction?
Assad is the best current option for peace, reforms could come after that time, but the aim for most world powers at the moment is surely peace there?
Yeah, internet is where empathy goes to die unfortunately.
ma'a as-salaama
No offence man but Syrians are dying and suffering horribly, im not sure why your posting joke comments about this.
Well I'm offended by your comment. I'm completely serious.
I find the current overoffended culture ridiculous, but joking about recently and currently suffering people in a thread about them just seems like a pointless horrible thing to do.
Well that's simply not true.
How dare you accuse me of a jest! On my honor. . .
Are you seriously wasting your time on Lee?
Ok, aside from all the political crap that this thread has derailed into. Does anyone know a good charity that I could send my donations to? I really wanna do something more than just changing my profile pic.
There are a fair number out there, however like any charity im not sure how much of your money would make it to the people in need, particularly in a warzone. I cant really recommend one in particular, a lot of childrens charities are trying to help the most vulnerable there.