From what we know already, its unlikely to be any of the characters at the debate. Harvey and Hill can be crossed off the list, not just for that reason, but because their body shape doesn't match the Children's Leader's body shape. Alfred is also off the list because he wouldn't be capable enough to do such a thing. It can't be Penguin either, as he was at the debate.
We don't really have much evidence as to who it is, but I bet we'll have some more clues next episode. I'm honestly stumped as to who it is, I don't have a clue. He/she could be some lesser known villain, or one we haven't met in the game yet. The only theory that I've thought of that is nowhere near plausible, is that the Leader is Thomas Wayne. But that just doesn't make sense tbh.
Or it could be Oswald's mother? Could be plausible as the body shape of the Leader is very feminine looking. Or Scarecrow, as the toxin to cause people to go insane is similar to fear gas in a way.
Its Alfred guys, he's actuality secretly destroying Bruce and the Waynes and getting revenge on the family for what they did to the people in Arkahm and to finally finish by revealing Bruce to be Batman! Wake up people!
I'm not a comic book guy and as such am not familiar with the lore, but I like that theory. It might also explain Falcone's cryptic comments about being family. Could he turn out to be something of a surrogate father to Thomas, or to have 'mentored' his criminal career?
I think that the Leader is Thomas Wayne Jr., Batman's estranged brother, who in the comics was disinherited from the family due to his insan… moreity and raised in an asylum.
This would tie into the series' themes concerning the Wayne family's secrets, plus it would explain why the Children of Arkham are called Children in the first place, as Thomas Jr would be a child of both Thomas Sr and the Asylum where he was raised. it would also explain why the Leader has such a grudge against Thomas Sr in the first place.
( more info on Thomas Wayne Jr here )
The toxins do point to Scarecrow, and his mask is kind of Scarecrow-esque but I don't know if the motive fits. I would love to see Crane in the game however. In the "Next Time" segment for Episode 3, the leader almost looked female with really skinny arms, but then again that sounds lie Crane as well. I guess we''ll see.
Okay here's a twist, what if this universe's version of Scarecrow is a woman?
Or instead of Thomas Wayne Jr, its Martha Wayne Jr. (or II).
Now that would be kind of neat and unique.
No, I never said that. I'd love the Joker to be used at some point, but not in this season. All I'm suggesting here are a few teasers for th… moree character, that's all. Please don't stuff words into my mouth, and don't have a meltdown every time someone so much as mentions the Joker.
It'd be fine if Telltale's universe was a long running series and their were actual hints of Bruce having a sibling. But in this case it would be absolutely God awful writing.
Maybe Alfred? The story is breaking all opinions we have about the Wayne's.
Alfred looked suspicious to me, very suspicious. The way he tries to make Bruce hate his father... I really believe he's the man behind the mask. Also, his body design looks the same as the villain.
Maybe Alfred? The story is breaking all opinions we have about the Wayne's.
Alfred looked suspicious to me, very suspicious. The way he … moretries to make Bruce hate his father... I really believe he's the man behind the mask. Also, his body design looks the same as the villain.
(Sorry my english, i'm Brazilian)
Maybe Alfred? The story is breaking all opinions we have about the Wayne's.
Alfred looked suspicious to me, very suspicious. The way he … moretries to make Bruce hate his father... I really believe he's the man behind the mask. Also, his body design looks the same as the villain.
(Sorry my english, i'm Brazilian)
What? Alfred straight up lies to you so you keep a good opinion about Thomas. I believe that he'd have taken Thomas' secrets to his grave if Bruce didn't push him.
Maybe Alfred? The story is breaking all opinions we have about the Wayne's.
Alfred looked suspicious to me, very suspicious. The way he … moretries to make Bruce hate his father... I really believe he's the man behind the mask. Also, his body design looks the same as the villain.
(Sorry my english, i'm Brazilian)
It looks like whoever it is might be female, based on how thin the arms are. Telltale's body types aren't usually so varied. When I first realized this, I wondered if it's possible that it's Oz's mother. That would definitely be quite a story, especially if Oz doesn't know it's her.
Sorry, I couldn't get through your gigantic wall of text. Repeat after me: "Paragraphs are my friends. Paragraphs are my friends. Paragraphs are my friends."
All right, so based on what you've said, say Falcone had a fling with Martha, but Hill wanted to kill Thomas (and Martha apparently?), so wh… moreen Falcone found out, rather than tipping her off, he saved her from Hill by elaborately faking Martha's death (even though Bruce was the only witness?, and has potentially luckily not remembered the death of his parents correctly anyway) by instead of just paying Joe Chill not to shoot her, paying him to shoot her with a tranquilizer or something that would cause paramedics to assume she was dead, I guess, without Martha knowing any of this plan. Falcone (or whoever is faking her death) then switched the body? paid off the cops/coroners, so that Hill wouldn't doubt she was dead. However Martha's obviously been kept away from Bruce all these years, so she either has 'soap opera' style amnesia and has forgotten about her son, or she's actually been abducted long term (and assumedly kept in Arkham with Oswa… [view original content]
I think and hope, that it will be new character. Based on the changed voice and feminime build that it may be Penguin's mother.
Other than that, Scarecrow has simmilar body build. In most of his comic incarnations and Batman The Animated Series, he is too much slender.
This is also pinpointed in Year One Scarecrow, that he is almost inhumanely thin and slender for a man and is target of bullies at school for it.
His favorite character is Ichabod Crane from Legend of Sleepy Hollow book, in which he is inspired to take on the Scarecrow persona (According to Irving, Ichabod looks like a goofy, old scarecrow who has escaped the cornfield) and to return the fear to the people that bullied him.
Another villain I have in mind is Anarky, only because of his simmilar agenda in comic books.
Tough I would love it to be a brand new character as I really love what Telltale did with the story so far. That end of Episode 1 where Batman furiously returns to batcave, after being told that his parents are the biggest criminals in Gotham moved me a lot. That take on Penguin was also fresh.
After reading all the modern Batman comic books and playing the Arkham Series, that borrows heavily from the whole Batman run since the late 70's, this is really breath of fresh air that is done better than the Gotham TV series (not much fan of how they handle and hurdle all the late Batman villains in it, as it is left ambigious in the comics and big part of plot that nobody knows if the freaky and extraordinary villains caused Batman to exist, or the appearance of Batman and him dealing with mob put the villains on extreme levels).
Wow, that would be mindblowing and will explain possibly, how did the Leader noticed that Batman is present in the Skytrain depot.
Alfred was comunicating with him all the time. But the thing I have against, is that Batman is suposedly the greatest detective and Alfred must be spot on genius to work as all present buttler and operating leader of mob organization at the same time. But good writer can deal with that.
Maybe Alfred? The story is breaking all opinions we have about the Wayne's.
Alfred looked suspicious to me, very suspicious. The way he … moretries to make Bruce hate his father... I really believe he's the man behind the mask. Also, his body design looks the same as the villain.
(Sorry my english, i'm Brazilian)
He does have a sibling in Court of Owls storyline in New 52, Thomas Wayne Jr.
Won't spoil his role, but it was a mindblowing revelation including the backstory and it wasn't a bad writing.
It'd be fine if Telltale's universe was a long running series and their were actual hints of Bruce having a sibling. But in this case it would be absolutely God awful writing.
I'll take a wild guess here and say that you didn't play Episode 3 yet. If that's so, you should definitely try to stay away from the forum as much as possible until you play it, because there are spoilers everywhere, sometimes even in threads you wouldn't expect.
I think and hope, that it will be new character. Based on the changed voice and feminime build that it may be Penguin's mother.
Other than … morethat, Scarecrow has simmilar body build. In most of his comic incarnations and Batman The Animated Series, he is too much slender.
This is also pinpointed in Year One Scarecrow, that he is almost inhumanely thin and slender for a man and is target of bullies at school for it.
His favorite character is Ichabod Crane from Legend of Sleepy Hollow book, in which he is inspired to take on the Scarecrow persona (According to Irving, Ichabod looks like a goofy, old scarecrow who has escaped the cornfield) and to return the fear to the people that bullied him.
Another villain I have in mind is Anarky, only because of his simmilar agenda in comic books.
Tough I would love it to be a brand new character as I really love what Telltale did with the story so far. That end of Episode 1 where Batman furiously retu… [view original content]
No, I did... Somehow, I just didn't realize that the leader is supposedly Vicki Vale.
I was retarded somehow at the end. Of course He/She knows that Batman is in depot.
My brain after reading ton of Batman comic books just couldn't accept Vicki Vale being the main villain, hahaha!
I'll take a wild guess here and say that you didn't play Episode 3 yet. If that's so, you should definitely try to stay away from the forum … moreas much as possible until you play it, because there are spoilers everywhere, sometimes even in threads you wouldn't expect.
No, I did... Somehow, I just didn't realize that the leader is supposedly Vicki Vale.
I was retarded somehow at the end. Of course He/She k… morenows that Batman is in depot.
My brain after reading ton of Batman comic books just couldn't accept Vicki Vale being the main villain, hahaha!
Maybe Alfred? The story is breaking all opinions we have about the Wayne's.
Alfred looked suspicious to me, very suspicious. The way he … moretries to make Bruce hate his father... I really believe he's the man behind the mask. Also, his body design looks the same as the villain.
(Sorry my english, i'm Brazilian)
I think one mistake the writers may have done is introduce Vicki as "Lady Arkham" before telling us what the leader of the Children was even called.
Not only that, but she was introduced doing grunt work, shit that she'd generally send someone else to do.
So when she says her name...
With a name like "Lady Arkham" I just expected her to be more like Madam Hydra, the second in command who actually does go out and do shit.
I just saw a let's play and it made me wonder about the identity of the leader.
Episode 3 showed us it was Vicki Vale but I'm pretty sure Vicky Vale is never a bad guy in all the stories written of Batman. So it could be a work of adaptation from Telltale making her a villain for the first time to create shock value. But what if it's a stolen identity and she's someone else? That would actually make sense.
She could be Talhia Al Ghul for example. It would explain her hate of corruption (since it's the usual business of the league of shadow) and her fighting skills. Plot twist like that would be awesome.
I don't think she's the only leader of the CoA. Very interested to see how her story arc concludes. Ep4 will not give us the answers we want, we will have to wait for Ep 5 for that.
I just saw a let's play and it made me wonder about the identity of the leader.
Episode 3 showed us it was Vicki Vale but I'm pretty sure… more Vicky Vale is never a bad guy in all the stories written of Batman. So it could be a work of adaptation from Telltale making her a villain for the first time to create shock value. But what if it's a stolen identity and she's someone else? That would actually make sense.
She could be Talhia Al Ghul for example. It would explain her hate of corruption (since it's the usual business of the league of shadow) and her fighting skills. Plot twist like that would be awesome.
I just saw a let's play and it made me wonder about the identity of the leader.
Episode 3 showed us it was Vicki Vale but I'm pretty sure… more Vicky Vale is never a bad guy in all the stories written of Batman. So it could be a work of adaptation from Telltale making her a villain for the first time to create shock value. But what if it's a stolen identity and she's someone else? That would actually make sense.
She could be Talhia Al Ghul for example. It would explain her hate of corruption (since it's the usual business of the league of shadow) and her fighting skills. Plot twist like that would be awesome.
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From what we know already, its unlikely to be any of the characters at the debate. Harvey and Hill can be crossed off the list, not just for that reason, but because their body shape doesn't match the Children's Leader's body shape. Alfred is also off the list because he wouldn't be capable enough to do such a thing. It can't be Penguin either, as he was at the debate.
We don't really have much evidence as to who it is, but I bet we'll have some more clues next episode. I'm honestly stumped as to who it is, I don't have a clue. He/she could be some lesser known villain, or one we haven't met in the game yet. The only theory that I've thought of that is nowhere near plausible, is that the Leader is Thomas Wayne. But that just doesn't make sense tbh.
Or it could be Oswald's mother? Could be plausible as the body shape of the Leader is very feminine looking. Or Scarecrow, as the toxin to cause people to go insane is similar to fear gas in a way.
Thats my theory
I can't think of anyone else except Scarecrow, Mad Hatter or Thomas Wayne Jr.
Interesting.
I'm not a comic book guy and as such am not familiar with the lore, but I like that theory. It might also explain Falcone's cryptic comments about being family. Could he turn out to be something of a surrogate father to Thomas, or to have 'mentored' his criminal career?
Okay here's a twist, what if this universe's version of Scarecrow is a woman?
Or instead of Thomas Wayne Jr, its Martha Wayne Jr. (or II).
Now that would be kind of neat and unique.
The toxins do point to Scarecrow, and his mask is kind of Scarecrow-esque but I don't know if the motive fits. I would love to see Crane in the game however. In the "Next Time" segment for Episode 3, the leader almost looked female with really skinny arms, but then again that sounds lie Crane as well. I guess we''ll see.
My guess is either Scarecrow or Anarky for the Leader
I like the Martha Wayne Jr idea. I just love the idea of Bruce having a sister.
What Oz probably meant was that won't bring his mom back to sanity. Don't quote me on that.
I wasn't having a meltdown, I was just giving my viewpoint on using Joker or not.
It'd be fine if Telltale's universe was a long running series and their were actual hints of Bruce having a sibling. But in this case it would be absolutely God awful writing.
Maybe Alfred? The story is breaking all opinions we have about the Wayne's.
Alfred looked suspicious to me, very suspicious. The way he tries to make Bruce hate his father... I really believe he's the man behind the mask. Also, his body design looks the same as the villain.
(Sorry my english, i'm Brazilian)
OMG, the most mind-blowing but logical possibility I've seen. Nice! Totally agree. It makes a lot of sense too. Just what if.
That guy looks bit robotic to me, maybe the game stutter or a characteristic
Not saying it can't be him hut I thought I saw him among the audience
What? Alfred straight up lies to you so you keep a good opinion about Thomas. I believe that he'd have taken Thomas' secrets to his grave if Bruce didn't push him.
It looks like whoever it is might be female, based on how thin the arms are. Telltale's body types aren't usually so varied. When I first realized this, I wondered if it's possible that it's Oz's mother. That would definitely be quite a story, especially if Oz doesn't know it's her.
Called it.
Sorry, I couldn't get through your gigantic wall of text. Repeat after me: "Paragraphs are my friends. Paragraphs are my friends. Paragraphs are my friends."
No, you weren't giving your viewpoint. You were biting my head off because I dropped the word "Joker."
I think and hope, that it will be new character. Based on the changed voice and feminime build that it may be Penguin's mother.
Other than that, Scarecrow has simmilar body build. In most of his comic incarnations and Batman The Animated Series, he is too much slender.
This is also pinpointed in Year One Scarecrow, that he is almost inhumanely thin and slender for a man and is target of bullies at school for it.
His favorite character is Ichabod Crane from Legend of Sleepy Hollow book, in which he is inspired to take on the Scarecrow persona (According to Irving, Ichabod looks like a goofy, old scarecrow who has escaped the cornfield) and to return the fear to the people that bullied him.
Another villain I have in mind is Anarky, only because of his simmilar agenda in comic books.
Tough I would love it to be a brand new character as I really love what Telltale did with the story so far. That end of Episode 1 where Batman furiously returns to batcave, after being told that his parents are the biggest criminals in Gotham moved me a lot. That take on Penguin was also fresh.
After reading all the modern Batman comic books and playing the Arkham Series, that borrows heavily from the whole Batman run since the late 70's, this is really breath of fresh air that is done better than the Gotham TV series (not much fan of how they handle and hurdle all the late Batman villains in it, as it is left ambigious in the comics and big part of plot that nobody knows if the freaky and extraordinary villains caused Batman to exist, or the appearance of Batman and him dealing with mob put the villains on extreme levels).
Wow, that would be mindblowing and will explain possibly, how did the Leader noticed that Batman is present in the Skytrain depot.
Alfred was comunicating with him all the time. But the thing I have against, is that Batman is suposedly the greatest detective and Alfred must be spot on genius to work as all present buttler and operating leader of mob organization at the same time. But good writer can deal with that.
He does have a sibling in Court of Owls storyline in New 52, Thomas Wayne Jr.
Won't spoil his role, but it was a mindblowing revelation including the backstory and it wasn't a bad writing.
I'll take a wild guess here and say that you didn't play Episode 3 yet. If that's so, you should definitely try to stay away from the forum as much as possible until you play it, because there are spoilers everywhere, sometimes even in threads you wouldn't expect.
No, I did... Somehow, I just didn't realize that the leader is supposedly Vicki Vale.
I was retarded somehow at the end. Of course He/She knows that Batman is in depot.
My brain after reading ton of Batman comic books just couldn't accept Vicki Vale being the main villain, hahaha!
It's apparently Vicki Vale because in the ending of Batman telltale ep 3 New world order She drugged Bruce with a pen to kill Oswald Cobblepot
From the voice, the slim robotic feel, the levitation...
I think it's Psycho Mantis!
The possibilities are endless it could be ras al ghoul, could be the joker or death stroke.
I know right.
Wow, there are still a lot of people who haven't played Episode 3.
Gonna have to unplug my BatBox to beat the final QTE!
Whatever you say. If I came off as wanting your head on a pike, I apologize.
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360/Ps3 peasants.
I think one mistake the writers may have done is introduce Vicki as "Lady Arkham" before telling us what the leader of the Children was even called.
Not only that, but she was introduced doing grunt work, shit that she'd generally send someone else to do.
So when she says her name...
With a name like "Lady Arkham" I just expected her to be more like Madam Hydra, the second in command who actually does go out and do shit.
I just saw a let's play and it made me wonder about the identity of the leader.
Episode 3 showed us it was Vicki Vale but I'm pretty sure Vicky Vale is never a bad guy in all the stories written of Batman. So it could be a work of adaptation from Telltale making her a villain for the first time to create shock value. But what if it's a stolen identity and she's someone else? That would actually make sense.
She could be Talhia Al Ghul for example. It would explain her hate of corruption (since it's the usual business of the league of shadow) and her fighting skills. Plot twist like that would be awesome.
I don't think she's the only leader of the CoA. Very interested to see how her story arc concludes. Ep4 will not give us the answers we want, we will have to wait for Ep 5 for that.
I mean, Bruce's parents are never corrupt either but, here we are.