Howe's had walls, formula, and a greenhouse. Boom. That's it. That's why I think she left them in a fairly good place to pass the ZA in.
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Are you simply not reading the response that he gave you, or are you just refusing to acknowledge the points that he made?
The walls weren't safe enough. Troy permanently broke the loading bay door, there was a walker break-in even when Carver and his whole community was still there fixing the place up, the herd completely rolls over the place with hardly any trouble, and the family from the Jane ending is able to break in and steal half of their entire food stores. It was not sturdy enough, it was too big for two people to maintain alone, and it was a giant target just sitting there.
The formula was nearly all gone by the time Jane left the kids behind to rot. The family always takes half of the food stores as I already said.
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Yeah but its Jane, everyone's favorite lone wolf survivalist, you'd think that she would not even risk getting pregnant, and then even if she did, try some sort of abortion rather than deciding its time to just die.
Your sarcasm and immaturity is unbecoming of you, and I don't appreciate your condescension one single bit either. You have a good day, I said my piece.
I see that now you're desperately trying to take down everything I say! I'm flattered.
Daze argues that the walls weren't safe enough aft… moreer I made that statement.
Damn, bad luck, maybe next time you'll manage, friend!
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Sloppy greenhouse is better than no greenhouse at all.
Sloppy walls are better than no walls at all.
And some supplies (specifically formula) are better than no supplies at all.
There are no supplies at Arvo's house. Mike and Bonnie took most, if not all. If they left any, Kenny and Jane certainly took them.
In S2 Jane says that the greenhouse is in good shape, not that it has very little left.
They would survive there. They wouldn't survive if they were outside on the road without any formula, food, warmth, protection, clean clothes, etc. but hey, plot armor.
Howe's was not a community. A community has people. A community is noisy and attracts people. Howe's is in a pretty much deserted area and has only two residents.
It might've been a bit of a shallow victory, but watching Clem use the knee trick to take out the walker shortly after she meets Javier was pretty awesome
I don't even know how to make a connection between S2 Jane and S3 Jane.
Like, a person who was a master guardian for a very long time before she loses all hope. After some time this person finds a new hope and goes as far as risk her life(from that persons POV) in order to prevent anything bad hapenning to the people she cares about. All that supposedly brings her back to that master guardian state, however the people she cares about are willing to survive. That should give her a f**k ton of motivation to keep going.
Afterwards she makes a pregnancy test and without a further thought about people she cares about commits suicide as if her living for 1 more day would be a disaster.
Yes, good sir, because your needless aggressiveness was very mature and nice of you! I bet people love it when you start conversations by calling them bias!
Thank you for the extremely insightful conversation, I hope you have a good day too!
Your sarcasm and immaturity is unbecoming of you, and I don't appreciate your condescension one single bit either. You have a good day, I said my piece.
You will not see me disagreeing with you that what Jane did was selfish and cowardly. I already gave you this point, you're right, Kenny managed to keep them alive for 2 years, although I suspect for scene physics convenience.
Great, so we can at least agree that Jane was selfish and Kenny was a maybe not so terrible guardian after all.
Yes, and I "believe" in a god that tells me that murdering people is what's right. Since I believe it's the truth, I cannot be held accountable for murdering people. /s
Attacking a woman that you truly believe killed an infant is not the same as killing innocents based on religious delusions or voices in your head. And it isn't like he just randomly assumed Jane killed him for no reason, she left both Sarah and her own sister to die. She had a history of this sort of thing.
He followed his baser whims and did something monstrous. He has to be held accountable for that, and it shows that you're biased in this aspect for refusing to see this.
I agree with you here. I love Kenny's character but I am still willing to admit when he is being too much. There were many places in season 2 where he needed a better grip on his emotions.
I don't remember asking you for an analysis on Kenny vs Jane. I asked you for Kenny's reasons for killing Jane.
Actually you did ask me to talk about why Kenny killed Jane, so that's what I'm doing. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Hm, really? All I remember Kenny doing after he murders Jane was chanting on how terrible she was, how he was justified, how he was "protecting us" by killing her, and on, and on, and on. That does not smell like regret.
He does attempt to justify himself, but it is obvious that he is shaken up over it. He agrees with Clem's decision if she kills him (showing that he is able to see the error of his ways), he says sorry for doing it (showing that he has remorse), he admits that he doesn't trust himself anymore because of it, and his whole body language and eye contact during the scene shows that he is feeling some crushing guilt and doubts in regards to his actions.
Of course, not supporting Kenny and presenting a different prespective from yours is lying and difamation.
I misunderstood part of your post when you said that Kenny leaves them unattended. I thought you meant that he chose to be eaten by walkers and die, when you actually meant that he encouraged Clem to drive fast and then turned away from her. That was my bad, I'm not too big to admit when I'm wrong.
Of course it wasn't. Since when is being reckless a conscient action? I'm arguing that Kenny was reckless and basically cause the crash because he left Clem unattended.
I'm not convinced that Kenny turning to face AJ actually caused the crash though. Clem lost control of the car in a split second, and Kenny turns around pretty much immediately and is trying to help her steady the wheels. I don't think that he would've prevented the loss of control even if he was paying attention the entire time.
No, I'm saying that leaving a 13 year old unattended while driving in high velocity for the first time in a icy road is reckless and moronish.
Okay fair enough, I can see why you'd believe that.
I'm not going to reply again because I have a lot on my plate this evening, because I've said what I felt was necessary, and because I don't want to get upset with each other any further. Have a good one mate
But she wasn't, PERIOD. She took the cowards way out. In the end her "level-headedness" and survival instincts didn't amount to anything exc… moreept to mask how broken and tortured she really was. She was too depressed and guilty to even live with herself or anyone else anymore, she was a failure as a guardian and selfish even until her final act in life.
You will not see me disagreeing with you that what Jane did was selfish and cowardly. I already gave you this point, you're right, Kenny managed to keep them alive for 2 years, although I suspect for scene physics convenience.
Because her modus operandi was leaving kids behind to die, and she showed up without AJ which made Kenny believe that she had just murdered a baby boy.
Yes, and I "believe" in a god that tells me that murdering people is what's right. Since I believe it's the truth, I cannot be held accountable for murdering people. /s
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Katjaa killed herself out of grief and an inability to cope with losing son to the Walker Virus and being unable to bare sparing him that existence by personally killing him. She was a mother, a wife, a medic(of animals), and moral backbone.
Jane apparently killed herself out of a combination of guilt and psychological issues. She was a Darwinist, a killer(including possible sororicide), a delinquent, and a hypocrite.
It makes sense if you consider her as a sociopath. Or having depressions and guilt feelings. Or a combination of those. We can't know what was going on inside her head all that time, can we?
I don't even know how to make a connection between S2 Jane and S3 Jane.
Like, a person who was a master guardian for a very long time bef… moreore she loses all hope. After some time this person finds a new hope and goes as far as risk her life(from that persons POV) in order to prevent anything bad hapenning to the people she cares about. All that supposedly brings her back to that master guardian state, however the people she cares about are willing to survive. That should give her a f**k ton of motivation to keep going.
Afterwards she makes a pregnancy test and without a further thought about people she cares about commits suicide as if her living for 1 more day would be a disaster.
That just makes 0 sense
I agree.
Jane committing suicide just seems like something she wouldn't do, especially in a manner where she would come back as a walker.… more Hell, why did she not even consider an abortion if she was that frantic about burdening Clementine and AJ due to carrying an unborn child? Why did suicide even cross her mind to begin with when she showed no suicidal thoughts or tendencies in Season 2?
I can't help but feel that the writers just wanted to find an excuse to get rid of Jane, much like as they did with Kenny, and just picked suicide for her flashback sequence.
I'm not a big fan of Jane, but I do feel that Jane's fans got the short end of the straw here. It doesn't help that it seems mighty convenient that all of Kenny's finales end on a heroic light regardless of the outcome and his past behavior, while Jane never gets to have a heroic finale herself and instead goes out in a out-of-character fashion to twist the knife even further.
VengefulKenny: "I've never seen such bias in my entire time here and I have a hard time believing that you can even subscribe to this logic."
Yeah, seriously! Most of that was about Kenny.
@IronWoodLover
Okay, now do you wanna do a post explaining why Jane is a decent guardian? I can understand if that was a reply to someone else's comment, but it's your comment that is supposed to be about her.
"Why Jane is a good guardian(ahem)...;' KENNY SUCKS! ' Thank you."
I'd argue that, out of all 3 possible guardians (Jane, Kenny and Edith), we can end S2 with, Kenny was the worst one and Jane was arguably t… morehe better. Don't get me wrong, they were all terrible and endangered her in a way.
Kenny was... not smart. Or responsible. Not enough to be a good guardian. Sure, he has a heart of gold when he's not murdering people for the lolz... and an incredibly strong bond with Clementine (well, some Clementines...), but he's pretty reckless to have two kids under his care. Let's face it, were it not for their plot armor, and Clementine and AJ would be dead. Kenny urges Clementine to drive at high velocity in an icy road and then leaves her unattended. What in the actual fuck. Face-fucking-palm. How fucking reckless can you be?? Obviously, the situation ended up in a car crash, and if it was realistic, Clem and AJ would've ended up in a way worse condition, if not dead.
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was Clementine dependent on Jane's life? No. Jane left her in a safe place, with a greenhouse and supplies, her suicide would not change that. Somewhy, Clementine decides to leave that place later (no explanation TellTale? Mmmh, ok...), but she was at least always safe under Jane's care.
Still such a stupid decision because Jane didn't leave any notes for Clementine to read and gave her no advices.
I'd argue that, out of all 3 possible guardians (Jane, Kenny and Edith), we can end S2 with, Kenny was the worst one and Jane was arguably t… morehe better. Don't get me wrong, they were all terrible and endangered her in a way.
Kenny was... not smart. Or responsible. Not enough to be a good guardian. Sure, he has a heart of gold when he's not murdering people for the lolz... and an incredibly strong bond with Clementine (well, some Clementines...), but he's pretty reckless to have two kids under his care. Let's face it, were it not for their plot armor, and Clementine and AJ would be dead. Kenny urges Clementine to drive at high velocity in an icy road and then leaves her unattended. What in the actual fuck. Face-fucking-palm. How fucking reckless can you be?? Obviously, the situation ended up in a car crash, and if it was realistic, Clem and AJ would've ended up in a way worse condition, if not dead.
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Wait didn't her sister got a panic attack on some building where the herd was chasing them and Jane left her to die, because that's what her sister "choose not to be saved"?
Those reasons are why I chose her. I don't agree that she is selfish to the core though. She can get Clem and A.J. away from Kenny if you think he is a nut or just needs to be put down.
Jane is an emotional mess just like Kenny just different. She seems depressed or at least really emotional during the flashback. I knew something bad was coming and it fits her character too escape from her problems.
Those reasons are why I chose her. I don't agree that she is selfish to the core though. She can get Clem and A.J. away from Kenny if you th… moreink he is a nut or just needs to be put down.
Jane is an emotional mess just like Kenny just different. She seems depressed or at least really emotional during the flashback. I knew something bad was coming and it fits her character too escape from her problems.
Wouldn't she have had to take those very soon after she, ahem... "made it" with Luke? I don't really know much about this sort of thing, but that's what I heard.
No-one can top Vernon as the worst guardian.
He offers Lee to take Clementine under his wing as her new guardian in Around Every Corner w… morehen things started to look grim about her parents, and especially how her group is lacking the supplies to care for everyone involved. Then the next day, he robs Clementine's group and leaves them stranded while a mass of walkers head towards their way, and this was right after Clementine was kidnapped (though to be fair, he didn't know that).
At least Jane tried to do her part for sometime before the writers planted 'suicide' in her head to get rid of her. But Vernon? He didn't even give abandoning Clementine a second thought, the same girl who he supposedly expressed interest in adopting for her own well being.
Granted, Vernon doesn't really count as a guardian since he never took that first step to begin with, but still.
I think it's because we got very little screen time of her, however she's the one that took care of Clementine for the longest time (not considering Kenny's time skip if you left Wellington with him)
I'd put Christa on first place, myself.
A shame really, I consider her to be an admirable guardian, and yet she receives little to no credit and is promptly forgotten.
I think the pregnancy wasn't the only reason for her to commit suicide, it all built up since her sister's death.An abortion wouldn't solve the problem.
I agree.
Jane committing suicide just seems like something she wouldn't do, especially in a manner where she would come back as a walker.… more Hell, why did she not even consider an abortion if she was that frantic about burdening Clementine and AJ due to carrying an unborn child? Why did suicide even cross her mind to begin with when she showed no suicidal thoughts or tendencies in Season 2?
I can't help but feel that the writers just wanted to find an excuse to get rid of Jane, much like as they did with Kenny, and just picked suicide for her flashback sequence.
I'm not a big fan of Jane, but I do feel that Jane's fans got the short end of the straw here. It doesn't help that it seems mighty convenient that all of Kenny's finales end on a heroic light regardless of the outcome and his past behavior, while Jane never gets to have a heroic finale herself and instead goes out in a out-of-character fashion to twist the knife even further.
Jaime chose to die for a stupid reason and Jane chose to die for the same stupid reason. Jaime couldn't take it anymore and just wanted to die and Jane just chose to die because she was pregnant.
she criticized her sister's suicide
Wait didn't her sister got a panic attack on some building where the herd was chasing them and Jane left her to die, because that's what her sister "choose not to be saved"?
she criticized her sister's suicide
Wait didn't her sister got a panic attack on some building where the herd was chasing them and Jane left her to die, because that's what her sister "choose not to be saved"?
I agree.
Jane committing suicide just seems like something she wouldn't do, especially in a manner where she would come back as a walker.… more Hell, why did she not even consider an abortion if she was that frantic about burdening Clementine and AJ due to carrying an unborn child? Why did suicide even cross her mind to begin with when she showed no suicidal thoughts or tendencies in Season 2?
I can't help but feel that the writers just wanted to find an excuse to get rid of Jane, much like as they did with Kenny, and just picked suicide for her flashback sequence.
I'm not a big fan of Jane, but I do feel that Jane's fans got the short end of the straw here. It doesn't help that it seems mighty convenient that all of Kenny's finales end on a heroic light regardless of the outcome and his past behavior, while Jane never gets to have a heroic finale herself and instead goes out in a out-of-character fashion to twist the knife even further.
Well where I live, when you go to the doctor for a check up while you are 1 or 2 months pregnant they offer you (not verbally or anything, they just shove) a abortion contract (if that's how it's called?).
Wouldn't she have had to take those very soon after she, ahem... "made it" with Luke? I don't really know much about this sort of thing, but that's what I heard.
I don't know where she would get them that is a very specific thing and I bet others thought to get them also. Dead is dead who cares if she turns she could not get to Clem and A.J. hanging from the fan or whatever.
Is she one? Looks like not. Otherwise she would of never came back after she left and sure as hell she wouldn't even have a thought to start that fight with Kenny.
depressions and guilt feelings
That's possible as well, but wouldn't she at least have a thought about bringing Clem and AJ in some place safer before doing so? S2 showed that Jane actually cared about Clem and AJ.
We can't know what was going on inside her head all that time
Sure, but it's writers job to make it clear what was it and "clear" way in TNF was "I'm pregnant. I will commit suicide". If there were any more reasons, they could show it in a flashback. I didn't found any, maybe you did?
It makes sense if you consider her as a sociopath. Or having depressions and guilt feelings. Or a combination of those. We can't know what was going on inside her head all that time, can we?
Haha me neither, getting into some controversial territory now xD That makes sense, and although I wouldn't think that sort of thing would be in a hardware store (unless someone brought them in back when more people lived there), they could always try to go out and scavenge for some.
Well where I live, when you go to the doctor for a check up while you are 1 or 2 months pregnant they offer you (not verbally or anything, they just shove) a abortion contract (if that's how it's called?).
I don't wanna look into this any further
Haha me neither, getting into some controversial territory now xD That makes sense, and although I wouldn't think that sort of thing would b… moree in a hardware store (unless someone brought them in back when more people lived there), they could always try to go out and scavenge for some.
It makes sense if you consider her as a sociopath. Or having depressions and guilt feelings. Or a combination of those. We can't know what was going on inside her head all that time, can we?
Well her whole action at the end of episode 5 - even if you constantly side with Kenny whatever he does and never show any affection towards her - seemed very anti social/psychopathic to me.
but wouldn't she at least have a thought about bringing Clem and AJ in some place
A responsible and selfless person would have done that, sure. But she wasn't. Not to mention how in real life people leave their kids behind without taking care of their future.
If there were any more reasons, they could show it in a flashback. I didn't found any, maybe you did?
It happened a bit abrupt, yeah. Jane probably brooded a bit before, Idk. They rushed both flashbacks. But I don't think her suicide makes zero sense. She ran away again, only this time it's permanent.
if you consider her as a sociopath
Is she one? Looks like not. Otherwise she would of never came back after she left and sure as hel… morel she wouldn't even have a thought to start that fight with Kenny.
depressions and guilt feelings
That's possible as well, but wouldn't she at least have a thought about bringing Clem and AJ in some place safer before doing so? S2 showed that Jane actually cared about Clem and AJ.
We can't know what was going on inside her head all that time
Sure, but it's writers job to make it clear what was it and "clear" way in TNF was "I'm pregnant. I will commit suicide". If there were any more reasons, they could show it in a flashback. I didn't found any, maybe you did?
Imo Jane is the most selfish, self centred character in the entire game. No one comes near to her level of hypocrisy and disgusting behaviour.
Jane is far more damaged than Kenny.
Oh, no contest! Unless there's an example that's outside of my knowledge(games), she's even more selfish than Kenny and maybe even friggin Carver--and that's sayin something!
And the more and more I think about it, the more it sounds like she may have been dark for years.
You will not see me disagreeing with you that what Jane did was selfish and cowardly. I already gave you this point, you're right, Kenny man… moreaged to keep them alive for 2 years, although I suspect for scene physics convenience.
Great, so we can at least agree that Jane was selfish and Kenny was a maybe not so terrible guardian after all.
Yes, and I "believe" in a god that tells me that murdering people is what's right. Since I believe it's the truth, I cannot be held accountable for murdering people. /s
Attacking a woman that you truly believe killed an infant is not the same as killing innocents based on religious delusions or voices in your head. And it isn't like he just randomly assumed Jane killed him for no reason, she left both Sarah and her own sister to die. She had a history of this sort of thing.
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Well her whole action at the end of episode 5 - even if you constantly side with Kenny whatever he does and never show any affection towards her - seemed very anti social/psychopathic to me.
From her pov she sees Kenny as threath and she thinks that Clem doesn't realise that. She wants to help her out for greater good, even if Clementine doesn't want that. It's a bad way she done it, but it's not anti social imo.
A responsible and selfless person would have done that, sure. But she wasn't. Not to mention how in real life people leave their kids behind without taking care of their future.
That's what makes 0 sense for me. Her character is responsible and she is capable to be selfless if you consider her time with her sister. As a continuation of narrative it's confusing the way it was dealt with. You don't build up some sort of a comeback in normal state for a character, only to make that character commit a suicide without considering multiple other options first.
But I don't think her suicide makes zero sense. She ran away again, only this time it's permanent.
I think we just see it from 2 different perspectives and I think it's the best to leave it at that.
Well her whole action at the end of episode 5 - even if you constantly side with Kenny whatever he does and never show any affection towards… more her - seemed very anti social/psychopathic to me.
but wouldn't she at least have a thought about bringing Clem and AJ in some place
A responsible and selfless person would have done that, sure. But she wasn't. Not to mention how in real life people leave their kids behind without taking care of their future.
If there were any more reasons, they could show it in a flashback. I didn't found any, maybe you did?
It happened a bit abrupt, yeah. Jane probably brooded a bit before, Idk. They rushed both flashbacks. But I don't think her suicide makes zero sense. She ran away again, only this time it's permanent.
I feel like the writers really messed up. In my eyes Jane was suppose to be an older sister to Clementine and teach her the ways to survive. They really, really butchered her character and I don't even want to remember that horrible flashback. Not because she commit suicide, but because her character from S02 would never do that. They just couldn't think of another way to kill her. Kenny's death was even more hilarious, but that's for another topic.
I was just being nice if anything Kenny is insane and should never been allowed around kids in my opinion. I get everyone he cared about around him died but that does not make him special everyone's family is dead. No one else in the group raged out and went insane when they lost people. Nick was the closest with what he did to Mattew. Walter was close but he kept it together. Arvo and Carver both had lost it. I put Kenny in the same boat as Arvo and Carver they might have been okay but they snapped. I still don't think she is rotten to the core she got those kids away from Kenny which was important too me.
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I see that now you're desperately trying to take down everything I say! I'm flattered.
Daze argues that the walls weren't safe enough after I made that statement.
Damn, bad luck, maybe next time you'll manage, friend!
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Depression is a monster.
Your sarcasm and immaturity is unbecoming of you, and I don't appreciate your condescension one single bit either. You have a good day, I said my piece.
Ok, I'll try to be more clear.
Sloppy greenhouse is better than no greenhouse at all.
Sloppy walls are better than no walls at all.
And some supplies (specifically formula) are better than no supplies at all.
There are no supplies at Arvo's house. Mike and Bonnie took most, if not all. If they left any, Kenny and Jane certainly took them.
In S2 Jane says that the greenhouse is in good shape, not that it has very little left.
They would survive there. They wouldn't survive if they were outside on the road without any formula, food, warmth, protection, clean clothes, etc. but hey, plot armor.
Howe's was not a community. A community has people. A community is noisy and attracts people. Howe's is in a pretty much deserted area and has only two residents.
It might've been a bit of a shallow victory, but watching Clem use the knee trick to take out the walker shortly after she meets Javier was pretty awesome
I don't even know how to make a connection between S2 Jane and S3 Jane.
Like, a person who was a master guardian for a very long time before she loses all hope. After some time this person finds a new hope and goes as far as risk her life(from that persons POV) in order to prevent anything bad hapenning to the people she cares about. All that supposedly brings her back to that master guardian state, however the people she cares about are willing to survive. That should give her a f**k ton of motivation to keep going.
Afterwards she makes a pregnancy test and without a further thought about people she cares about commits suicide as if her living for 1 more day would be a disaster.
That just makes 0 sense
Yes, good sir, because your needless aggressiveness was very mature and nice of you! I bet people love it when you start conversations by calling them bias!
Thank you for the extremely insightful conversation, I hope you have a good day too!
Great, so we can at least agree that Jane was selfish and Kenny was a maybe not so terrible guardian after all.
Attacking a woman that you truly believe killed an infant is not the same as killing innocents based on religious delusions or voices in your head. And it isn't like he just randomly assumed Jane killed him for no reason, she left both Sarah and her own sister to die. She had a history of this sort of thing.
I agree with you here. I love Kenny's character but I am still willing to admit when he is being too much. There were many places in season 2 where he needed a better grip on his emotions.
Actually you did ask me to talk about why Kenny killed Jane, so that's what I'm doing. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
He does attempt to justify himself, but it is obvious that he is shaken up over it. He agrees with Clem's decision if she kills him (showing that he is able to see the error of his ways), he says sorry for doing it (showing that he has remorse), he admits that he doesn't trust himself anymore because of it, and his whole body language and eye contact during the scene shows that he is feeling some crushing guilt and doubts in regards to his actions.
I misunderstood part of your post when you said that Kenny leaves them unattended. I thought you meant that he chose to be eaten by walkers and die, when you actually meant that he encouraged Clem to drive fast and then turned away from her. That was my bad, I'm not too big to admit when I'm wrong.
I'm not convinced that Kenny turning to face AJ actually caused the crash though. Clem lost control of the car in a split second, and Kenny turns around pretty much immediately and is trying to help her steady the wheels. I don't think that he would've prevented the loss of control even if he was paying attention the entire time.
Okay fair enough, I can see why you'd believe that.
I'm not going to reply again because I have a lot on my plate this evening, because I've said what I felt was necessary, and because I don't want to get upset with each other any further. Have a good one mate
Katjaa killed herself out of grief and an inability to cope with losing son to the Walker Virus and being unable to bare sparing him that existence by personally killing him. She was a mother, a wife, a medic(of animals), and moral backbone.
Jane apparently killed herself out of a combination of guilt and psychological issues. She was a Darwinist, a killer(including possible sororicide), a delinquent, and a hypocrite.
It makes sense if you consider her as a sociopath. Or having depressions and guilt feelings. Or a combination of those. We can't know what was going on inside her head all that time, can we?
It's really funny that she criticized her sister's suicide yet she decides to do the same thing.
Yeah, seriously! Most of that was about Kenny.
@IronWoodLover
Okay, now do you wanna do a post explaining why Jane is a decent guardian? I can understand if that was a reply to someone else's comment, but it's your comment that is supposed to be about her.
"Why Jane is a good guardian(ahem)...;' KENNY SUCKS! ' Thank you."
Still such a stupid decision because Jane didn't leave any notes for Clementine to read and gave her no advices.
Wait didn't her sister got a panic attack on some building where the herd was chasing them and Jane left her to die, because that's what her sister "choose not to be saved"?
Those reasons are why I chose her. I don't agree that she is selfish to the core though. She can get Clem and A.J. away from Kenny if you think he is a nut or just needs to be put down.
Jane is an emotional mess just like Kenny just different. She seems depressed or at least really emotional during the flashback. I knew something bad was coming and it fits her character too escape from her problems.
Why didn't she just took some abortion pills instead of killing herself, not destroying the brain in the process?
Wouldn't she have had to take those very soon after she, ahem... "made it" with Luke? I don't really know much about this sort of thing, but that's what I heard.
To be fair, its possible he would've taken her by force if he really wanted to.
I think it's because we got very little screen time of her, however she's the one that took care of Clementine for the longest time (not considering Kenny's time skip if you left Wellington with him)
I think the pregnancy wasn't the only reason for her to commit suicide, it all built up since her sister's death.An abortion wouldn't solve the problem.
Jaime chose to die for a stupid reason and Jane chose to die for the same stupid reason. Jaime couldn't take it anymore and just wanted to die and Jane just chose to die because she was pregnant.
Fuck Double post
To be fair, neither of them are particularly heroic and that arguably goes double for Jane.
Well where I live, when you go to the doctor for a check up while you are 1 or 2 months pregnant they offer you (not verbally or anything, they just shove) a abortion contract (if that's how it's called?).
I don't wanna look into this any further
I don't know where she would get them that is a very specific thing and I bet others thought to get them also. Dead is dead who cares if she turns she could not get to Clem and A.J. hanging from the fan or whatever.
Jane is cannonly selfish, anti social, and hypocritical. Does that sound like someone who would be a perfect guardian?
Is she one? Looks like not. Otherwise she would of never came back after she left and sure as hell she wouldn't even have a thought to start that fight with Kenny.
That's possible as well, but wouldn't she at least have a thought about bringing Clem and AJ in some place safer before doing so? S2 showed that Jane actually cared about Clem and AJ.
Sure, but it's writers job to make it clear what was it and "clear" way in TNF was "I'm pregnant. I will commit suicide". If there were any more reasons, they could show it in a flashback. I didn't found any, maybe you did?
Haha me neither, getting into some controversial territory now xD That makes sense, and although I wouldn't think that sort of thing would be in a hardware store (unless someone brought them in back when more people lived there), they could always try to go out and scavenge for some.
Maybe with a coat hanger...
I'll stop now.
...yeah. Me too.
And I think you just found the likely cause of many of the problems with her.
Well her whole action at the end of episode 5 - even if you constantly side with Kenny whatever he does and never show any affection towards her - seemed very anti social/psychopathic to me.
A responsible and selfless person would have done that, sure. But she wasn't. Not to mention how in real life people leave their kids behind without taking care of their future.
It happened a bit abrupt, yeah. Jane probably brooded a bit before, Idk. They rushed both flashbacks. But I don't think her suicide makes zero sense. She ran away again, only this time it's permanent.
Well she obviously is a complete bitch, considering she killed herself and left a 13 year old girl with a baby in an apocalypse
Oh, no contest! Unless there's an example that's outside of my knowledge(games), she's even more selfish than Kenny and maybe even friggin Carver--and that's sayin something!
And the more and more I think about it, the more it sounds like she may have been dark for years.
Would you two stop? Good guardians or not they're both dead and, aside from one flashback, that interferes nothing in the story.
Ah, my mistake. Thanks.
From her pov she sees Kenny as threath and she thinks that Clem doesn't realise that. She wants to help her out for greater good, even if Clementine doesn't want that. It's a bad way she done it, but it's not anti social imo.
That's what makes 0 sense for me. Her character is responsible and she is capable to be selfless if you consider her time with her sister. As a continuation of narrative it's confusing the way it was dealt with. You don't build up some sort of a comeback in normal state for a character, only to make that character commit a suicide without considering multiple other options first.
I think we just see it from 2 different perspectives and I think it's the best to leave it at that.
I feel like the writers really messed up. In my eyes Jane was suppose to be an older sister to Clementine and teach her the ways to survive. They really, really butchered her character and I don't even want to remember that horrible flashback. Not because she commit suicide, but because her character from S02 would never do that. They just couldn't think of another way to kill her. Kenny's death was even more hilarious, but that's for another topic.
I was just being nice if anything Kenny is insane and should never been allowed around kids in my opinion. I get everyone he cared about around him died but that does not make him special everyone's family is dead. No one else in the group raged out and went insane when they lost people. Nick was the closest with what he did to Mattew. Walter was close but he kept it together. Arvo and Carver both had lost it. I put Kenny in the same boat as Arvo and Carver they might have been okay but they snapped. I still don't think she is rotten to the core she got those kids away from Kenny which was important too me.
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