I mean, at the same time though, Jane took care of Clem the shortest, it must have only been about 2 weeks at max sense they arrived at Howes. it would appear Aj and Clem were with Kenny for a little over 2 years, so I guess Kenny did a pretty good job protecting them.
But then again, its back to the shit writing. Apparently going completely straight but going over a small ice patch on an empty road = a car that isnt even truly spinning out, and apparently the car just wont stop moving. I doubt that ice patch lasted all the way to that tree that they crashed into because Clem is shown running on the same road that was apparently DEATHLY icy, so in reality, based on how long the car was "out of control" they should have been able to stop, or atleast slow down a little, after the ice patch, or whatever it was. Honestly it would have been better if they hit a walker or something, atleast it would explain why where they crashed there was suddenly tons of them.
I'd argue that, out of all 3 possible guardians (Jane, Kenny and Edith), we can end S2 with, Kenny was the worst one and Jane was arguably t… morehe better. Don't get me wrong, they were all terrible and endangered her in a way.
Kenny was... not smart. Or responsible. Not enough to be a good guardian. Sure, he has a heart of gold when he's not murdering people for the lolz... and an incredibly strong bond with Clementine (well, some Clementines...), but he's pretty reckless to have two kids under his care. Let's face it, were it not for their plot armor, and Clementine and AJ would be dead. Kenny urges Clementine to drive at high velocity in an icy road and then leaves her unattended. What in the actual fuck. Face-fucking-palm. How fucking reckless can you be?? Obviously, the situation ended up in a car crash, and if it was realistic, Clem and AJ would've ended up in a way worse condition, if not dead.
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I'm not even sure I can define Jane 100% considering that there just wasn't any clear direction for her character.
I guess she was a silent, mysterious loner that didn't talk much but not really since she talks to Clem and to others regularly in Ep.4 and 5
I guess she was a hardened survivor who believes in" survival of the fittest" with a lot of baggage but not really given she has sex with Luke and possibly Troy and leaves Howe's to join Clem's group.
I guess she's just a really stupid flip flopper or it's just bad writing.
Thank you. She really wasn't in character at all and I feel like S02 Jane wouldn't have done that. I'm really considering most of S3 to not be canon at this point because so many of the things just don't add up at all.
I feel like the writers really messed up. In my eyes Jane was suppose to be an older sister to Clementine and teach her the ways to survive.… more They really, really butchered her character and I don't even want to remember that horrible flashback. Not because she commit suicide, but because her character from S02 would never do that. They just couldn't think of another way to kill her. Kenny's death was even more hilarious, but that's for another topic.
So has there already been a thread about how it's finally canon that Jane is selfish to the core and a complete failure as a guardian/mentor/protective older friend?
Pretty much. Christine Lakin confirmed that she was originally a different character more in line with the way she was in In Harm's Way: a action-based hardass with relatively short patience.
I'm not even sure I can define Jane 100% considering that there just wasn't any clear direction for her character.
I guess she was a sile… morent, mysterious loner that didn't talk much but not really since she talks to Clem and to others regularly in Ep.4 and 5
I guess she was a hardened survivor who believes in" survival of the fittest" with a lot of baggage but not really given she has sex with Luke and possibly Troy and leaves Howe's to join Clem's group.
I guess she's just a really stupid flip flopper or it's just bad writing.
It's a tragedy story if anything else, although I can see where you are getting at with her role in Season Two, her character development was practically wasted
It feels out of character in my opinion because Jane was a strong-headed survivalist, she kept herself and Jaime alive during the apocalypse and she kept herself going after she had to leave her sister behind without looking back. She showed she at least pondered on what to do with a baby in the apocalypse when she asked Rebecca what she'd planned to do with AJ, so I would assume that keeping the baby alive would not be the only decision that could be made and considering her 'everyone dies eventually mentality', I would assume that she's seen allot of people around her die but still managed to keep herself going - she mentioned being in different groups, one of which had people die trying to save a member of the group. Not to mention all the effort she made to change so that she could let others depend on her more, getting close to people and regaining a sense of hope she had lost, I feel like it made her transition rather pointless in a story-telling perspective but I realize that different characters = different thought processes = different actions but I do dislike it when we can't fully analyse the situation or it doesn't fully make sense based on what we are told about the character.
In terms of her death, I could see Jane's reason being less of an act of 'selfishness' but more of an act of 'survival', more so Clementine and AJ's survival. Analyzing the situation based on the flashbacks, we can gather that:
The bandits - Randy, Patricia and Gill - stole supplies from Howe's that they needed to care for themselves and AJ, Jane may have felt that the lack of resources would affect Clementine and AJ, and due to her pregnancy and cravings, their resources might deplete sooner than expected, which would lead Clementine and AJ in a scenario where they might starve to death and Jane has shown that she ponders the death of those around her, that she has thought of the negative effects of a pregnant group member for the rest of the group, as well as developing care for Clementine and AJ - care where she'd risk her life in a blind attempt to show a friend was a danger to her, except, in this instance, she gave up her life in fear of being that same danger to her and AJ.
Jane's mind state - she has often shown to be rather negative about survival odds despite the survivalist mentality she is portrayed to have. We've been shown in the past that the deaths of those around her still affect her - Jaime's death still affected her at the Trailer Park and Sarah's death affect her at the Observation Deck, her fear of Clementine's potential death had an affect on her too, even Luke's death affected her, albeit seemingly temporarily. Her pondering of being the cause of Clementine and AJ's deaths might have lead her to feel justified in committing suicide, coupled with her depressive look on survival odds - which was kind of emphasized in her discussion with Rebecca about her baby.
The one thing that I don't think can really be justified in explanation was Jane choosing to hang herself rather than off herself in a way that would prevent Clementine from having to kill her. Although I suppose one could argue that she may have been unable to cause self harm any other way and that her secretive nature around Clementine at the time was due to guilt over being pregnant. It still does feel like a 'shocker moment', created just to shock people and give Clementine a sadder scene.
I think that based on what we know about her character it would've felt right to have tried to be optimistic about her pregnancy as well as the situation she was in now. One could argue that this makes her a complex character, another could argue that the writing for her character was not the best, both are believable in their own rights, I think.
One thing's for sure, Jane was one of the bigger characters we never really got to know that much about to fully justify her actions in the flashback, but that's just my own perspective.
Yeah but its Jane, everyone's favorite lone wolf survivalist, you'd think that she would not even risk getting pregnant, and then even if she did, try some sort of abortion rather than deciding its time to just die.
Yeah but its Jane, everyone's favorite lone wolf survivalist, you'd think that she would not even risk getting pregnant, and then even if she did, try some sort of abortion rather than deciding its time to just die.
This is what happens when Telltale listens to all the whiny kenny fans
Yeah, seriously, you can't blame us (Kenny fans) for Telltale's lazily thrown together and inconsistent writing. I mean, it's not even like we got a better deal anyway, with Kenny dying in a random fucking car crash.
She's reliable but she's pretty messed up. The way she didn't tell Kenny that she left the baby in a car implies she was being manipulative to try and convince Clem that he's insane and trying to prove a point that he's going to snap.
It's a tragedy story if anything else, although I can see where you are getting at with her role in Season Two, her character development wa… mores practically wasted
It feels out of character in my opinion because Jane was a strong-headed survivalist, she kept herself and Jaime alive during the apocalypse and she kept herself going after she had to leave her sister behind without looking back. She showed she at least pondered on what to do with a baby in the apocalypse when she asked Rebecca what she'd planned to do with AJ, so I would assume that keeping the baby alive would not be the only decision that could be made and considering her 'everyone dies eventually mentality', I would assume that she's seen allot of people around her die but still managed to keep herself going - she mentioned being in different groups, one of which had people die trying to save a member of the group. Not to mention all the effort she made to change so that she … [view original content]
But how? Is there any evidence that Clem knew how to maintain a greenhouse in the winter? The one lesson she got with Reggie didn't end too well lmao . Just cos they have a greenhouse it doesn't mean it's useful just for existing. If you don't know how to grow plants there is no point for a greenhouse.
Good point, but did Howe's greenhouse ever had a temperature/humidity regulator aside from the sun itself? Did it require special care?
Anyways, there are plants inside that greenhouse that can survive cold weather. You can spot a few strawberries which means that Clementine would have at least strawberries!
Again, my point is, greenhouse is better than no greenhouse at all. There is potential on Howe's greenhouse. The existence of that greenhouse can only do good, not harm.
And for all we know Jane might've even taught her how to operate the temperature humidity system (again, if it had any).
That's debatable. Although sloppy walls do offer a shield, once the enemy get passed it you're fucked. Outside on the move Clem and AJ could temporarily hide wherever they wanted to. Plus walls draw in attention.
I disagree, walls are really the best option. If someone, out in the road, spots you it takes only a shot to end your life. You're out in the open, with your limited field of view, defenseless and with a baby to take care off.
I honestly can't see how, in this scenario, not having walls would be more favorable.
Break-ins would certainly be a problem, but I imagine Clementine would be smart enough to bar most of the doors with, I don't know, all the supplies/wood/wood crates/hardware materials left at Howe's? The ones left unbarred could simply go with an improvised alarm.
There is no evidence to suggest that they actually took it, cos we never see them escape. However, the fact that the supplies weren't in the car after Clem wakes up leaves me confused.
Um... maybe they were in the trunk?
I highly doubt Kenny and Jane left the supplies in the house. I mean, why would they...?
At Howe's, they did have any formula left (if there was it would be very little)
Um... how do you know that?
If Carver cared enough to get formula in case something ever happened to Rebecca, I assume he supplied himself well enough to last for at least 1 year?
they did not have any food
They did have food, little, but they had it. Out on the road, though, they would have nothing. You even agreed: little food is better than no food at all.
and they did not have any protection.
Aside from the huge compounds and hardware supplies? Howe's whole armory? The walls? The rooms where she could hide if trouble ever appeared?
Yes, it looks good and it has the fundamentals for a thriving community, but with the only people there a 11-year-old and a baby, the place would not last them another week.
They didn't need a thriving community, they needed a place better than the middle of the road. And that could be easily achieved with very simple, easy work.
Say what you wamt about Howe's, either way your Clem decided to leave cos it wasn't good enough.
I guess that is true enough. But who's to say it didn't keep her safe for the two-year time skip? In that case, maybe it was good enough and kept her alive and relatively comfortable for 2 years.
No.. they really dont. Even if they did, Kenny is still an actual family man, a leader, and always in a group. He's raised kids and kids are obviously his number 1 priority, he made that clear in s2. Jane made it very clear she didn't like kids/babies and didn't have any experience with anything kids, she couldn't even help Rebecca with birth though Kenny could. Applying if those things actually fit Kenny, being selfish is one thing the game clearly tried to show Kenny wasn't. Being selfish is one thing I think everyone even Jane fans, can agree Ken wasn't, as the game sound many times him risking his life for others/protecting others, many. He wasn't anti social either, not even in s2, he alwas wants to be in a group, and he made it obvious he wanted to be the leader in the s2 group, an anti social person wouldn't want to be the leader and care taker of a group, Jane didn't like groups nor ever took lead, she left after realizing she couldnt be in a group. I've never seen Kenny really do anything hypocritical but that would be something people would have different opinions about.
Great, so we can at least agree that Jane was selfish and Kenny was a maybe not so terrible guardian after all.
I can agree to the fact that Jane's suicide was a selfish thing to do and that yes, maybe Kenny wasn't that bad a guardian. I overlooked the fact that he kept them alive for two years. But I don't think we should overlook the fact that he put them in a very dangerous situation on the scene we see in Season 3, that could've gotten both of them killed.
Attacking a woman that you truly believe killed an infant is not the same as killing innocents based on religious delusions or voices in your head. And it isn't like he just randomly assumed Jane killed him for no reason, she left both Sarah and her own sister to die. She had a history of this sort of thing.
It's not as grave, sure, but it's still wrong. Do you ever wonder if Kenny had just... talked? Jane would get exposed and proven wrong. He'd have a rightful reason to want her away from Clem, because he was, in fact, morally a better person.
But he did not. He chose to attack her. Jane might've indirectly started the fight, but Kenny was the one who sparked it directly.
Kenny did not know about Jaime, or Sarah for that matter. All he knew is that she was a loner who abandoned the group before, came back, saved his ass, and that was uncomfortable holding the baby. That is not enough to just assume that Jane was a baby murdering psycho (and, as you know, he was wrong. Jane didn't kill the baby.)
Actually you did ask me to talk about why Kenny killed Jane, so that's what I'm doing. ¯(ツ)/¯
You were talking about how Jane sparked the fight, how her actions led to his breakdown yadda yadda yadda. Those fact have nothing to do with Kenny's reasons for wanting Jane dead.
Just so you know, I'm aware of all that.
He does attempt to justify himself, but it is obvious that he is shaken up over it. He agrees with Clem's decision if she kills him (showing that he is able to see the error of his ways), he says sorry for doing it (showing that he has remorse), he admits that he doesn't trust himself anymore because of it, and his whole body language and eye contact during the scene shows that he is feeling some crushing guilt and doubts in regards to his actions.
Sorry, but while I do think Kenny is a good man in many aspects, I did not feel any remorse after he kills Jane.
In the version where you put a bullet in his stomach, yes, he shows remorse for making Clem do it. In the version where he kills Jane, he only proceeds to try to justify himself. He never once admits that it was wrong, and, sorry, I can't read it his eyes/body language that he was. Not my expertise.
I'm not convinced that Kenny turning to face AJ actually caused the crash though. Clem lost control of the car in a split second, and Kenny turns around pretty much immediately and is trying to help her steady the wheels. I don't think that he would've prevented the loss of control even if he was paying attention the entire time.
Maybe turning around to face AJ was not what cause the crash, but fact is, his initiative put them in that risky situation.
You will not see me disagreeing with you that what Jane did was selfish and cowardly. I already gave you this point, you're right, Kenny man… moreaged to keep them alive for 2 years, although I suspect for scene physics convenience.
Great, so we can at least agree that Jane was selfish and Kenny was a maybe not so terrible guardian after all.
Yes, and I "believe" in a god that tells me that murdering people is what's right. Since I believe it's the truth, I cannot be held accountable for murdering people. /s
Attacking a woman that you truly believe killed an infant is not the same as killing innocents based on religious delusions or voices in your head. And it isn't like he just randomly assumed Jane killed him for no reason, she left both Sarah and her own sister to die. She had a history of this sort of thing.
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To put my point across that Jane is not the worst guardian, I had to compare her to every other guardian.
Although, in hindsight, maybe I should've talked about Lee and Christa too. Idk, I just assumed that by guardians, we were talking about the people she could end up at the end of S2.
Okay, now do you wanna do a post explaining why Jane is a decent guardian?
Why Jane is a good guardian(ahem)...
I'll redirect you to this part of my post:
Don't get me wrong, they were all terrible and endangered her in a way.
Jane abandoned Clementine, again, after she promised she would never again. I can understand, I can feel pity for her, but I never said I fucking forgive her.
VengefulKenny: "I've never seen such bias in my entire time here and I have a hard time believing that you can even subscribe to this logic.… more"
Yeah, seriously! Most of that was about Kenny.
@IronWoodLover
Okay, now do you wanna do a post explaining why Jane is a decent guardian? I can understand if that was a reply to someone else's comment, but it's your comment that is supposed to be about her.
"Why Jane is a good guardian(ahem)...;' KENNY SUCKS! ' Thank you."
She taught Clem a few useful things. It's more that she was just a useful, bad person. At the end she gave Clem a big swinging fuck you and all that's left to say is "fuck you too, Jane."
This is what happens when Telltale listens to all the whiny kenny fans
Yeah, seriously, you can't blame us (Kenny fans) for Telltale… more's lazily thrown together and inconsistent writing. I mean, it's not even like we got a better deal anyway, with Kenny dying in a random fucking car crash.
You..you think Kenny is Clementine's 'father figure'? Not only that but always her father figure? Since when is this a thing? I've never seen this before, nor dialogue that implies it.
You..you think Kenny is Clementine's 'father figure'? Not only that but always her father figure? Since when is this a thing? I've never seen this before, nor dialogue that implies it.
The thread is named: "Jane: Worst Guardian Ever"
To put my point across that Jane is not the worst guardian, I had to compare her to ever… morey other guardian.
Although, in hindsight, maybe I should've talked about Lee and Christa too. Idk, I just assumed that by guardians, we were talking about the people she could end up at the end of S2.
Okay, now do you wanna do a post explaining why Jane is a decent guardian?
Why Jane is a good guardian(ahem)...
I'll redirect you to this part of my post:
Don't get me wrong, they were all terrible and endangered her in a way.
Jane abandoned Clementine, again, after she promised she would never again. I can understand, I can feel pity for her, but I never said I fucking forgive her.
That's not a fault on Jane's character, that's a fault on the piss poor, inconsistent writing because the writers don't know what the fuck they're doing.
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I mean, at the same time though, Jane took care of Clem the shortest, it must have only been about 2 weeks at max sense they arrived at Howes. it would appear Aj and Clem were with Kenny for a little over 2 years, so I guess Kenny did a pretty good job protecting them.
But then again, its back to the shit writing. Apparently going completely straight but going over a small ice patch on an empty road = a car that isnt even truly spinning out, and apparently the car just wont stop moving. I doubt that ice patch lasted all the way to that tree that they crashed into because Clem is shown running on the same road that was apparently DEATHLY icy, so in reality, based on how long the car was "out of control" they should have been able to stop, or atleast slow down a little, after the ice patch, or whatever it was. Honestly it would have been better if they hit a walker or something, atleast it would explain why where they crashed there was suddenly tons of them.
I'm not even sure I can define Jane 100% considering that there just wasn't any clear direction for her character.
I guess she was a silent, mysterious loner that didn't talk much but not really since she talks to Clem and to others regularly in Ep.4 and 5
I guess she was a hardened survivor who believes in" survival of the fittest" with a lot of baggage but not really given she has sex with Luke and possibly Troy and leaves Howe's to join Clem's group.
I guess she's just a really stupid flip flopper or it's just bad writing.
TWDazehnuu- That's all pretty deep. I wouldn't thought that Troy was the father.
This is what happens when Telltale listens to all the whiny kenny fans
Jane swore she would never abandon Clem again, and I believed her.
Thank you. She really wasn't in character at all and I feel like S02 Jane wouldn't have done that. I'm really considering most of S3 to not be canon at this point because so many of the things just don't add up at all.
Yeah, I think it would have made more sense if Jane died from a "botched" abortion
Those things all apply to Kenny
Ugh...
Everything but antisocial anyway.
Yeah and she denied that she actually abandoned her.
Pretty much. Christine Lakin confirmed that she was originally a different character more in line with the way she was in In Harm's Way: a action-based hardass with relatively short patience.
Misheard that? I thought she said she had never promised to not abandon someone before...or I dunno. Sometimes the dialogue can be a bit awkward.
cough season 2
It's a tragedy story if anything else, although I can see where you are getting at with her role in Season Two, her character development was practically wasted![:\](https://community.telltalegames.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
It feels out of character in my opinion because Jane was a strong-headed survivalist, she kept herself and Jaime alive during the apocalypse and she kept herself going after she had to leave her sister behind without looking back. She showed she at least pondered on what to do with a baby in the apocalypse when she asked Rebecca what she'd planned to do with AJ, so I would assume that keeping the baby alive would not be the only decision that could be made and considering her 'everyone dies eventually mentality', I would assume that she's seen allot of people around her die but still managed to keep herself going - she mentioned being in different groups, one of which had people die trying to save a member of the group. Not to mention all the effort she made to change so that she could let others depend on her more, getting close to people and regaining a sense of hope she had lost, I feel like it made her transition rather pointless in a story-telling perspective but I realize that different characters = different thought processes = different actions but I do dislike it when we can't fully analyse the situation or it doesn't fully make sense based on what we are told about the character.
In terms of her death, I could see Jane's reason being less of an act of 'selfishness' but more of an act of 'survival', more so Clementine and AJ's survival. Analyzing the situation based on the flashbacks, we can gather that:
The one thing that I don't think can really be justified in explanation was Jane choosing to hang herself rather than off herself in a way that would prevent Clementine from having to kill her. Although I suppose one could argue that she may have been unable to cause self harm any other way and that her secretive nature around Clementine at the time was due to guilt over being pregnant. It still does feel like a 'shocker moment', created just to shock people and give Clementine a sadder scene.
I think that based on what we know about her character it would've felt right to have tried to be optimistic about her pregnancy as well as the situation she was in now. One could argue that this makes her a complex character, another could argue that the writing for her character was not the best, both are believable in their own rights, I think.
One thing's for sure, Jane was one of the bigger characters we never really got to know that much about to fully justify her actions in the flashback, but that's just my own perspective.
Double post, sorry
Yeah, seriously, you can't blame us (Kenny fans) for Telltale's lazily thrown together and inconsistent writing. I mean, it's not even like we got a better deal anyway, with Kenny dying in a random fucking car crash.
I'm not going to justify her actions, but I wouldn't call her the worst guardian ever. Despite her faults Jane was a good person.
Though I will say that while I was upset I also felt betrayed. I do think it was in character though.
somewhere back in my head I wish that Molly replaced Jane and have that Beta-baddie-Kenny character instead of those rushed three last episodes.
Not again
She's reliable but she's pretty messed up. The way she didn't tell Kenny that she left the baby in a car implies she was being manipulative to try and convince Clem that he's insane and trying to prove a point that he's going to snap.
Agree with you
very well said!
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Good point, but did Howe's greenhouse ever had a temperature/humidity regulator aside from the sun itself? Did it require special care?
Anyways, there are plants inside that greenhouse that can survive cold weather. You can spot a few strawberries which means that Clementine would have at least strawberries!
Again, my point is, greenhouse is better than no greenhouse at all. There is potential on Howe's greenhouse. The existence of that greenhouse can only do good, not harm.
And for all we know Jane might've even taught her how to operate the temperature humidity system (again, if it had any).
I disagree, walls are really the best option. If someone, out in the road, spots you it takes only a shot to end your life. You're out in the open, with your limited field of view, defenseless and with a baby to take care off.
I honestly can't see how, in this scenario, not having walls would be more favorable.
Break-ins would certainly be a problem, but I imagine Clementine would be smart enough to bar most of the doors with, I don't know, all the supplies/wood/wood crates/hardware materials left at Howe's? The ones left unbarred could simply go with an improvised alarm.
Um... maybe they were in the trunk?
I highly doubt Kenny and Jane left the supplies in the house. I mean, why would they...?
Um... how do you know that?
If Carver cared enough to get formula in case something ever happened to Rebecca, I assume he supplied himself well enough to last for at least 1 year?
They did have food, little, but they had it. Out on the road, though, they would have nothing. You even agreed: little food is better than no food at all.
Aside from the huge compounds and hardware supplies? Howe's whole armory? The walls? The rooms where she could hide if trouble ever appeared?
They didn't need a thriving community, they needed a place better than the middle of the road. And that could be easily achieved with very simple, easy work.
I guess that is true enough. But who's to say it didn't keep her safe for the two-year time skip? In that case, maybe it was good enough and kept her alive and relatively comfortable for 2 years.
No.. they really dont. Even if they did, Kenny is still an actual family man, a leader, and always in a group. He's raised kids and kids are obviously his number 1 priority, he made that clear in s2. Jane made it very clear she didn't like kids/babies and didn't have any experience with anything kids, she couldn't even help Rebecca with birth though Kenny could. Applying if those things actually fit Kenny, being selfish is one thing the game clearly tried to show Kenny wasn't. Being selfish is one thing I think everyone even Jane fans, can agree Ken wasn't, as the game sound many times him risking his life for others/protecting others, many. He wasn't anti social either, not even in s2, he alwas wants to be in a group, and he made it obvious he wanted to be the leader in the s2 group, an anti social person wouldn't want to be the leader and care taker of a group, Jane didn't like groups nor ever took lead, she left after realizing she couldnt be in a group. I've never seen Kenny really do anything hypocritical but that would be something people would have different opinions about.
I can agree to the fact that Jane's suicide was a selfish thing to do and that yes, maybe Kenny wasn't that bad a guardian. I overlooked the fact that he kept them alive for two years. But I don't think we should overlook the fact that he put them in a very dangerous situation on the scene we see in Season 3, that could've gotten both of them killed.
It's not as grave, sure, but it's still wrong. Do you ever wonder if Kenny had just... talked? Jane would get exposed and proven wrong. He'd have a rightful reason to want her away from Clem, because he was, in fact, morally a better person.
But he did not. He chose to attack her. Jane might've indirectly started the fight, but Kenny was the one who sparked it directly.
Kenny did not know about Jaime, or Sarah for that matter. All he knew is that she was a loner who abandoned the group before, came back, saved his ass, and that was uncomfortable holding the baby. That is not enough to just assume that Jane was a baby murdering psycho (and, as you know, he was wrong. Jane didn't kill the baby.)
You were talking about how Jane sparked the fight, how her actions led to his breakdown yadda yadda yadda. Those fact have nothing to do with Kenny's reasons for wanting Jane dead.
Just so you know, I'm aware of all that.
Sorry, but while I do think Kenny is a good man in many aspects, I did not feel any remorse after he kills Jane.
In the version where you put a bullet in his stomach, yes, he shows remorse for making Clem do it. In the version where he kills Jane, he only proceeds to try to justify himself. He never once admits that it was wrong, and, sorry, I can't read it his eyes/body language that he was. Not my expertise.
Maybe turning around to face AJ was not what cause the crash, but fact is, his initiative put them in that risky situation.
The thread is named: "Jane: Worst Guardian Ever"
To put my point across that Jane is not the worst guardian, I had to compare her to every other guardian.
Although, in hindsight, maybe I should've talked about Lee and Christa too. Idk, I just assumed that by guardians, we were talking about the people she could end up at the end of S2.
I'll redirect you to this part of my post:
Jane abandoned Clementine, again, after she promised she would never again. I can understand, I can feel pity for her, but I never said I fucking forgive her.
Eeeh, maybe somewhat in the later half, but he's still clearly family and "leadership" orientated.
She taught Clem a few useful things. It's more that she was just a useful, bad person. At the end she gave Clem a big swinging fuck you and all that's left to say is "fuck you too, Jane."
Let's pretend that S3 flashbacks never happened.
Kenny only uses the "muh family" bit to make himself feel better
I'm not. I'm blaming Telltale
Really? I've seen a dozen of them.
You..you think Kenny is Clementine's 'father figure'? Not only that but always her father figure? Since when is this a thing? I've never seen this before, nor dialogue that implies it.
Yeah, I don't really get that either. Uncle maybe, but not father.
Yeah, maybe.
I hate Jane, but I don't think she's the worst guardian in TWD. That honor goes to Carlos. Or dishonor, is more like it.
That's not a fault on Jane's character, that's a fault on the piss poor, inconsistent writing because the writers don't know what the fuck they're doing.
This thread is a clusterfuck.
Actually, you might wanna post that here.