Why was Kenny mad at Jane?
I've watched the playbacks many times and I didn't see any issues between the two until Jane and Luke slept with each other. But that shouldn't have been a problem. She left the group, but then returned and saved the group in the process. Telltale never showed Jane and Kenny arguing like Kenny and Luke had been. So when Kenny says, "I don't trust that girl" and " A girl like Jane doesn't have respect" I don't see the reason.
Please let me know if I'm missing anything.
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I think it's because she reminds him of Molly
Ah yes, the long awaited thread I've been searching for since I first joined this community. To be honest, He was losing his mind after Sarita died, and he needed someone to take his anger out on.
I don’t have an answer for that. You could argue that they were both really headstrong people and would’ve butted heads eventually, but I feel Telltale just needed to insert some sort of conflict between the two to make the finale more impactful. They kinda missed the mark, in my opinion, ‘cause Jane and Kenny had barely interacted before that and it made their level of hostility toward one another at that time seem hamfisted and extremely fucking random.
Simple, they didn't have Kenny vs Jane planned until e5 and maybe e4 so thats why. They probably wanted to have a Kenny and Luke fight but it got cut for obvious reasons.
It always should have been Kenny vs Luke.
Kenny- Survival at any cost humanity is weakness
Luke- if we're not living why bother surviving.
Pragmatism vs Compassion.
Instead it came down to Which is more important Clementine or AJ
Kenny saw AJ as duck two. So Clementine could go die for all he cared.
Jane saw Clementine as a potential replacement little sister( or more) and AJ as a burden
And ultimately neither mattered.
I don't see how Luke and Kenny could have fought to the death. Luke doesn't have that type of mentality. I don't think it would have been realistic.
Because they scrapped the Kenny vs Luke plot at the last second even though they'd been building it up all season and shoehorned in Jane as Luke's replacement
You've never seen a fight between someone who doesn't want to fight but wants to survive vs a crazed killer?
Maybe it could go like this: Kenny would push Luke to far so he needs to start fighting back.
Could either you or Capn Jay give me an example of Kenny pushing Luke to the point he would want to kill him?
He never got the chance but he consistently treated Luke's group like shit . Hell the entire Howes episode even Sarita was like "take a chill pill Kenny" people kept asking Clem to deal with him because he had lost it and they thought maybe he'd have an emotional connection to Clementine.
As for the when pushing Luke to far look at when he started treating AJ like Duck 2.0
Luke was getting pissed.
Well, in a scene where Kenny would push Luke both mentally and physically, then he has to fight back. I doubt he is just getting himself beaten up. If Kenny would really be mad at Luke for something, and wants to fight him.
@Thebatman377 ' v What did you mean by that? 'mas foi cortado por razões óbvias .''
@Torridd Jane always spoke badly about Kenny and I think he heard it, and because she disappeared with AJ it's a pretty good explanation that he got mad at her
Kenny went off the deep end by the last episode of Season 2. It’s not hard to conceive of a scenario where Luke might need to kill Kenny out of self-defense.
It was probably similar to how Jane was like "Don't you come near me you son of a bitch" and put her knife in her holder, then kenny would charge at luke after he did that and be asking for clem to help get him off, i think he would accidentally hurt kenny like he would never do what Jane did and stick his fingers in Kenny's eyes
It's 50/50 between one of them or a nut Jane fan showing up anything either name is mentioned, really.
Ehhh... Not really. Jane doesn't have a literal cult as far as I'm aware.
Most Jane nuts have been murdered by Kenny freaks, Alone is the best ending tbh, you won't be disappointed by the flashbacks next season, apart from length etc
Plus Clementine loses her hidden blade finger
Kenny was just mad over the fact that Jane had her masters degree in Coolology, and that he'd never be able to get on her level. If you ask me,Kenny was cool in Season 1, but as soon as we got to season 2, I thought "Woah Kenny, you've fallen short from my expectations".
I don't think there's any Jane fans now,not after what they did to her character in A New Frontier.
I didn't even give her a bullet
that wasn't Jane, it was lazy telltale writing by a Kenny fan, Jane was all about survival, she'd rather stab her baby then off herself as it's not "fair" for clem and the baby
I know that,but hey FUCK JANE
SHE DESERVED IT AM I RIGHT /s
Yeah!
I don't think the conflict is too tacked on, it is sudden but i never felt like it came from no where.
Kenny almost always lashes out at those that challenges his authority or judgement, especially in dire situations. It happens with Lee, Carlos, Luke, Mike before Jane.
I understand why Kenny was suspicious towards Jane. Not trusting her is not the same as hating her: At the point he says that, Jane has left the group before and not made it a secret that she prefers to ward for her own survival first. This is not a fault necessarily, it depends on what your views are, and you can play both Lee and Clementine towards this trait too, or rather Lee can teach Clem to think of herself first.
Jane dislikes Kenny because he's reckless. His recklessness can be both a boon and a curse for those around him, but within the time span that Jane has known him it has caused him to almost give up and after that it makes him think of AJ first and foremost. You can also play Clementine in this way, towards Sarah for example.
The point they break towards each other they are the only adults left. They have been betrayed twice and ambushed twice then. They are both acting petty towards each other and ignoring Clementine. Kenny views AJ as his main responsibility and Jane has a point to prove to Clem, she's pressed her towards distrusting Kenny's actions the entire episode.
I sided with Kenny because ultimately I can't fault him from wanting to protect a baby, besides his cruel treatment of Arvo I don't think he acted all that outlandish up till the truck stop. I don't understand why Jane thought it was a great idea to antagonise him in the middle of a blizzard, but the way I saw it then was that she reaped what she sowed. To me she had a history of abandoning even her loved ones, and ultimately she ends up doing it again. I don't see a miswritten character in her suicide. In the end Luke's sentiment got through to her in the wrong way.
Oh I don't know, it's not like he had any reason to distrust her right? She came through many times and totally didn't use the first opportunity she had to try to get rid of him.
True she did come through multiple times. She helped them escape, killed Troy for them, taught Clementine survival skills, protected a pregnant woman in a herd of walkers, came back to save them from Russians, and focused on saving Clem if she gets in the freezing water.
Most of the escaping was planned and carried out by Kenny and Clementine, Jane merely jumped on a free ride, she killed Troy because she wanted to kill him, didn't give a shit about the group escaping ("..or you can die here, doesn't matter to me." - Jane), "taught" Clem a trick she already knew and then basically left or tried to leave everyone to die. Oh yeah also distracted Luke which put everyone's life in danger, robbed a stranger which nearly caused everyone to die and then bailed. Sure she came back to save the day, however the day wouldn't need to be saved had she not done what she did. I'd say Kenny had plenty reason to distrust her.
Fish please Arvo would have hobbled back to his group will his entire supplies intact and they would have done the same thing they were bandits. And she wouldn't have been able to save the day if she hadn't left.
Who wasn't he mad at at that point?
But really, it's because she catalyzed the Observation Deck Defense, Sarah and debatably Rebecca's deaths, and Arvo's group coming after them, thus most of what spun out of that.
Arvos group was probably bratva they were going to come after us regardless of what we did.
Ohhhhh boy... this is sooooo wrong in sooooo many levels. Like have you not seen the Wellington ending?
Yes I agree I can’t believe Jane killing herself is canon it just doesn’t make any sense
Hey, Natasha was obviously a female, thank you.
Still, that kinda requires Arvo to have a reason to wanna come after them, which he likely wouldn't have if he never saw Clementine or at least separated peacefully.
I'll just say random words stop me If you hear a good motive
Supplies, food, women, labor, weapons,
E. All of the above
Seriously speaking though, Buricko and later Vitali were indeed interested in getting some supplies out of the encounter, namely ammo.
If he never saw Clementine and never saw the group he definitely wouldn't come after them. Same reason Clementine isn't headed to the land of milk and honey. If such a place exists she doesn't know where it is. But Even if Arvo and Clementine parted after sharing some beers and a good laugh his group would have come after them. Arvo might be embarrassed about betraying her trust but he'd still do it.
kenny was mad at everyone. look how he bullied arvo and always yelled at clem when she tries to help. i'm glad he's dead. i hated him ever since season 1.