Is there anyone else who has a dislike for Kenny other than me ?
I can understand things and views from Kenny's side. Heck, I would even switch to his side on my second playthrough.
My point is, if I knew Ken under an actual zombie apocalypse, chances are, I would stay away from him.
Let's analyze things neutrally.
Kenny is altruistic, prioritizes his family on hand. Doesn't give a damn about anyone else until his family gets fed and is living well. A few traits of his can actually be observed in his child, Duck. Katjaa, while not as involved as Kenny in the group, is actually pretty much the same as Kenny though, only much more thoughtful and polite, but nontheless the same as Kenny when it comes to prioritizing people.
However, he upholds the responsibility of a real man and a father, what he does is essentially trying to keep his family going.
Your thoughts, people ?
Sorry I posted so much, TWDG isn't just another game for me. It's one of the games I see that allows us to really analyze things from different points of view, and argue with it. Nothing is objective in this game, which is the main reason why I got the game, joined the forum and started posting. Oh, and I'm new
Kenny is the best to follow, at times he may be rash but he reminds me of Rick from the originals.... He's trying to protect his wife and kids and looks out for you and clementine, Lilly and Larry didn't care about anyone apart from each other and in Episode 1 they were more then happy to leave you, Clementine, Kenny and his family outside to the walkers!
The meat locker was grade A hypocrisy from Lilly as well, she was quick to assume that Duck was bitten by walkers and send him outside the store half way through Episode 1 yet as soon as her dad dies of a heart attack in Episode 2 it's a different story!
Personally I think Lilly is too self absorbed and is too content in trying to be a leader then rather looking at the bigger picture. I also noticed that in episode 2 if you claim to be the leader to the brothers when they mention it infront of Lilly and Kenny, Kenny smiles where as Lilly gets annoyed which tells me Lilly wants things doing her way and her way only!!
Is there anyone else who has a dislike for Kenny other than me ?
I can understand things and views from Kenny's side. Heck, I would even switch to his side on my second playthrough.
My point is, if I knew Ken under an actual zombie apocalypse, chances are, I would stay away from him.
Let's analyze things neutrally.
Kenny is altruistic, prioritizes his family on hand. Doesn't give a damn about anyone else until his family gets fed and is living well. A few traits of his can actually be observed in his child, Duck. Katjaa, while not as involved as Kenny in the group, is actually pretty much the same as Kenny though, only much more thoughtful and polite, but nontheless the same as Kenny when it comes to prioritizing people.
However, he upholds the responsibility of a real man and a father, what he does is essentially trying to keep his family going.
Your thoughts, people ?
Sorry I posted so much, TWDG isn't just another game for me. It's one of the games I see that allows us to really analyze things from different points of view, and argue with it. Nothing is objective in this game, which is the main reason why I got the game, joined the forum and started posting. Oh, and I'm new
You're not alone. I'm done with Kenny after episode 2. Before, I sided with him on everything. But once the meat locker scene came, I sided with Lilly. I don't care if he goes to the coast now. I'm sticking with the rest of the group.
These are people thrown together by circumstance, you don't have to like them, but you should be able to trust them. That doesn't apply to Kenny if you disagree with him for any reason. My Lee just does his own thing and sides with whomever I agree with at the time. I honestly don't "like" either Kenny or Lily.
Edit:
Anybody else notice that Kenny never does any heavy lifting? He's always on the sidelines barking orders but the only time you see him actually help is lifting down the air conditioner. Even on Jolene's camcorder, Lee's pushing a car while Kenny's off to the side gesturing.
I like Kenny, but, he is all out for his family, and I don't think that it matters how much Lee backs him up, if it comes down to it Kenny will sacrifice Lee in order to save his family. While I can understand that, I'm not going to sign up to be anybodies sacrificial lamb.
Remember what was said at the Hershals place "Lee dont trust that man"
now that was episode 1 and in episode 2 if you dont side with him in killing Larry he dont care bout you anymore even to the point he wont help you fight the brothers.
Kenny is only bout his family but if you dont side with him 100% he shall stab you in the back :eek:
I like Kenny b/c he's forward thinking. He wants move on and find a permanent safe haven, which is a boat. And that actually makes sense. And despite what happened with Larry, he is caring. I don't blame him.
He's just so hard to get along with. It's all or nothing with him. I don't like him trying to manipulate me by threatening to leave me and Clem behind if I don't side with him. That's kind of wrong.
Lilly isn't much better though. Depending on you choices, she makes the comment she likes the motorinn b/c it's close to the pharmacy, where her dad can get pills. Also, she put the group at risk b/c of her dad. Not to mention she was quick to throw duck under the boss, but wasn't so eager when it was her dad.
They both kind of suck when I think about it. No wonder Carley is a favorite.
Actually, as I've covered in the past, realistically Kenny's plan is one of the worst, from a survival point of view. It's really not forward thinking, when you think about it.
Coastal areas account for the highest population densities, over half the U.S. population lives in less than 20% of the land area, as such it's region that's realistically going to account for the highest number of zombies. Strictly speaking, as a plan to avoid zombies, it sucks. This is what they have to go through just to have a chance of reaching the boat.
There's no guarantee of fresh water, even if his boat has an RO system or similar (which you're not really supposed to let sit idle, which is exactly what it's been doing). Nevermind trying to keep the thing fueled. Sure, they have a problem with lack of food at the inn, but it takes weeks to die of starvation, whereas dehydration will kill you dead in days. Hell, the boat plan doesn't even really solve the food problem; it's not enough to just have food, but the right kinds of food. You can't live on just fish, lack of Vitamin C at a minimum, so you're looking at getting Scurvy.
There's no guarantee the boat's even there, even assuming somebody didn't steal it, the region has this thing called Hurricane season... and there's no longer a weather service to alert you if the area's going to get hit (assuming it hasn't already). And if the region has been hit and even if you survive it? You can't reasonably forage for supplies on the mainland (i.e. back into the densely populated zombie horde) that the boat can't provide, because nothing's getting rebuilt.
Both options suck, but between the two, the inn's actually the better of the two. As Lilly points out, while there is a food shortage (which one could attribute to the group's inexperience with hunting/trapping), the inn has everything else they need. There's access to the pharmacy (which is valuable for reasons beyond her dad's pills, e.g. access to antibiotics) as well as a source of fresh water (which is pretty much the number 1 priority in a survival scenario).
Actually, as I've covered in the past, realistically Kenny's plan is one of the worst, from a survival point of view. It's really not forward thinking, when you think about it.
I agree. Not to mention, there's no guarantee the bugger won't try throwing you and Clem overboard during one of his hissy fits.
Actually, as I've covered in the past, realistically Kenny's plan is one of the worst, from a survival point of view. It's really not forward thinking, when you think about it.
Coastal areas account for the highest population densities, over half the U.S. population lives in less than 20% of the land area, as such it's region that's realistically going to account for the highest number of zombies. Strictly speaking, as a plan to avoid zombies, it sucks. This is what they have to go through just to have a chance of reaching the boat.
I agree with what you've said I'm just concerned that I may have misled Kenny. I told him I thought it was a good idea for him and his family to go to the coast in the RV while I had no intentions of going with him. Oh well, what's done is done...I'm sure he will be fine.
I like Kenny b/c he's forward thinking. He wants move on and find a permanent safe haven, which is a boat. And that actually makes sense. And despite what happened with Larry, he is caring. I don't blame him.
He's just so hard to get along with. It's all or nothing with him. I don't like him trying to manipulate me by threatening to leave me and Clem behind if I don't side with him. That's kind of wrong.
Lilly isn't much better though. Depending on you choices, she makes the comment she likes the motorinn b/c it's close to the pharmacy, where her dad can get pills. Also, she put the group at risk b/c of her dad. Not to mention she was quick to throw duck under the boss, but wasn't so eager when it was her dad.
They both kind of suck when I think about it. No wonder Carley is a favorite.
This is the bottom line that people don't seem to be able to see. Both Kenny and Lily are liabilities, poor leaders and have their own agendas above everybody else. Which is why I think the story is going to go the direction of YOU being the leader. You're the only one who's reasonable and clear thinking without a bunch of ulterior motives.
This is the bottom line that people don't seem to be able to see. Both Kenny and Lily are liabilities, poor leaders and have their own agendas above everybody else.
i think more ppl see that then you think, but at the end of epi 2, with larry smushed, lilly's only agenda (if she still has 1) is revenge against kenny which i intend to support.
This is the bottom line that people don't seem to be able to see. Both Kenny and Lily are liabilities, poor leaders and have their own agendas above everybody else. Which is why I think the story is going to go the direction of YOU being the leader. You're the only one who's reasonable and clear thinking without a bunch of ulterior motives.
I think that isn't as unforeseen as you think. I totally called that at the very beginning of the episode when you had the option not to support one or the other. It also was emphasized by Carley when she comments that Lee should take more initiative.
I totally want the story to go that way because it just adds to the "make difficult choices" angle of the game. I don't hate either Kenny or Lilly (though Kenny has done the more reprehensible thing as of now), but my Lee would certainly be a more transparent leader.
Though to be fair, almost every version of Lee has some slight ulterior motives that affects their decisions (Covering up his past, Clementine, etc). Just goes to show no leader is perfect.
I wonder if Kenny or Lee will acknowledge the dichotomy of the situation my Lee has put him in with the next episode. I had been totally on Kenny's side on a lot of things (defending Duck from Larry, saving Duck over Shawn, feeding Duck, saving Katjaa) and the only thing where I openly disagreed with him was with killing Larry.
It feels like from the previews that Kenny is just going to dangle the Larry thing as a reason to hate Lee. I would just love for Lee to point all of this out to him though to show that he is not Kenny's enemy!
Turns out if you treat Kenny like shit the entire way, but help him with Larry, he still backs you up with Danny. The game just takes into account your choice right at that moment I guess, instead of everything you've done up until then.
Naw he jusr has adhd which he passed onto duck. He can't focus on anything other than the most recent desicion which he uses as his base for his attitude.
maybe i have an optimistic view of children, but i don't see any reason why duck wouldn't grow up to be come an accomplished well rounded adult, but that doesn't mean that he cant be a bit of an idiot as a child,
the way i see it, is that most people are just a combination of their parents in a more modern environment, so duck (if he and his family live) will probably just turn out to be just like katjaa and kenny but with the skills to survive post ZA
Don't get me wrong, Duck definitely has the potential to be a better person than his father, assuming he survives long enough. His questioning his dad about the car is sort of his awakening and I see him challenging his father at some point.
My previous comment was more about the tree than the apple.
I sided with kenny until the meat locker and I tried to save Larry
The worst thing was I saw Larry was starting to breath again just before Kenny murdered him
I only sided with Kenny because it was kind of the right thing to do but in the meat locker he became the bad guy
I wonder if Kenny or Lee will acknowledge the dichotomy of the situation my Lee has put him in with the next episode. I had been totally on Kenny's side on a lot of things (defending Duck from Larry, saving Duck over Shawn, feeding Duck, saving Katjaa) and the only thing where I openly disagreed with him was with killing Larry.
It feels like from the previews that Kenny is just going to dangle the Larry thing as a reason to hate Lee. I would just love for Lee to point all of this out to him though to show that he is not Kenny's enemy!
He doesn't really care
And I would rather be on the side of a grieving person who has always tried her best than a murdering backstabber
And I would rather be on the side of a grieving person who has always tried her best than a murdering backstabber
And I'd rather be on the side of someone who's always laid his cards out on the table and has had my back for months now, rather than a person who is only human when it's convenient for them.
i think kenny will change now into a true friend... since he has nothing left and he knows how Lee has actually stuck with him and he will be there for him. We see this first hand when he lets down his defense to teach omid how to drive the train "incase something happens to me". i expect to see him take risks more often to benefit the group. i wouldnt be surprised if he sacrifices his life. hes not going to leave the group now
i think kenny will change now into a true friend... since he has nothing left and he knows how Lee has actually stuck with him and he will be there for him. We see this first hand when he lets down his defense to teach omid how to drive the train "incase something happens to me". i expect to see him take risks more often to benefit the group. i wouldnt be surprised if he sacrifices his life. hes not going to leave the group now
or he can become complete unhinged and turn on me; claim ass of this is my fault.
i can already see it now "i wanted to leave the inn, but you guys stayed until the bandits showed up. i told you it would happen!"
We're back in my favourite thread Nice.
Kenny got what he deserved. It was sad for Katjaa though. Even Duck grew on me, with him taking the mantle of Robin and letting me Batman. That was cute
Kenny destroyed this group. It's all a chain reaction from his stupid actions in the meat locker. He was very quick to eliminate the threat but when it came to Duck HE SHOWED HIS TRUE COLOURS. He didn't hurry and drop a salt lick on his head, right? He chickened out when it was someone he loved at stake.
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It may sound pretty odd but I'm still a supporter for team Lily.
Kenny abandoned me like too many times in episode 3 and once again was a irrational prick. He wanted to actually leave Lily in the Hotel just because he killed her father and hated himself. I mean... wtf.
It was sad to see Lily snap like that but I guess everybody pushed her. Carley should've been there for her instead of being all "on everybody's good side". Her flirting with Lee didn't help either I guess. In the end she stood for Ben who she hardly knew and once again ignored a very bad situation where our entire group almost got obliterated.
I'm actually more saddened by Lily leaving me than Carley dying. Would've been cool to actually invite me in her room instead of playing with me like a typical girl.
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I can understand things and views from Kenny's side. Heck, I would even switch to his side on my second playthrough.
My point is, if I knew Ken under an actual zombie apocalypse, chances are, I would stay away from him.
Let's analyze things neutrally.
Kenny is altruistic, prioritizes his family on hand. Doesn't give a damn about anyone else until his family gets fed and is living well. A few traits of his can actually be observed in his child, Duck. Katjaa, while not as involved as Kenny in the group, is actually pretty much the same as Kenny though, only much more thoughtful and polite, but nontheless the same as Kenny when it comes to prioritizing people.
However, he upholds the responsibility of a real man and a father, what he does is essentially trying to keep his family going.
Your thoughts, people ?
Sorry I posted so much, TWDG isn't just another game for me. It's one of the games I see that allows us to really analyze things from different points of view, and argue with it. Nothing is objective in this game, which is the main reason why I got the game, joined the forum and started posting. Oh, and I'm new
The meat locker was grade A hypocrisy from Lilly as well, she was quick to assume that Duck was bitten by walkers and send him outside the store half way through Episode 1 yet as soon as her dad dies of a heart attack in Episode 2 it's a different story!
Personally I think Lilly is too self absorbed and is too content in trying to be a leader then rather looking at the bigger picture. I also noticed that in episode 2 if you claim to be the leader to the brothers when they mention it infront of Lilly and Kenny, Kenny smiles where as Lilly gets annoyed which tells me Lilly wants things doing her way and her way only!!
You're not alone. I'm done with Kenny after episode 2. Before, I sided with him on everything. But once the meat locker scene came, I sided with Lilly. I don't care if he goes to the coast now. I'm sticking with the rest of the group.
Edit:
Anybody else notice that Kenny never does any heavy lifting? He's always on the sidelines barking orders but the only time you see him actually help is lifting down the air conditioner. Even on Jolene's camcorder, Lee's pushing a car while Kenny's off to the side gesturing.
You can bet that you're not the only one!
now that was episode 1 and in episode 2 if you dont side with him in killing Larry he dont care bout you anymore even to the point he wont help you fight the brothers.
Kenny is only bout his family but if you dont side with him 100% he shall stab you in the back :eek:
I mean you don't know where Kenny has been... :P
Inside....Katjaa....bleughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Actually, as I've covered in the past, realistically Kenny's plan is one of the worst, from a survival point of view. It's really not forward thinking, when you think about it.
Coastal areas account for the highest population densities, over half the U.S. population lives in less than 20% of the land area, as such it's region that's realistically going to account for the highest number of zombies. Strictly speaking, as a plan to avoid zombies, it sucks. This is what they have to go through just to have a chance of reaching the boat.
There's no guarantee of fresh water, even if his boat has an RO system or similar (which you're not really supposed to let sit idle, which is exactly what it's been doing). Nevermind trying to keep the thing fueled. Sure, they have a problem with lack of food at the inn, but it takes weeks to die of starvation, whereas dehydration will kill you dead in days. Hell, the boat plan doesn't even really solve the food problem; it's not enough to just have food, but the right kinds of food. You can't live on just fish, lack of Vitamin C at a minimum, so you're looking at getting Scurvy.
There's no guarantee the boat's even there, even assuming somebody didn't steal it, the region has this thing called Hurricane season... and there's no longer a weather service to alert you if the area's going to get hit (assuming it hasn't already). And if the region has been hit and even if you survive it? You can't reasonably forage for supplies on the mainland (i.e. back into the densely populated zombie horde) that the boat can't provide, because nothing's getting rebuilt.
Both options suck, but between the two, the inn's actually the better of the two. As Lilly points out, while there is a food shortage (which one could attribute to the group's inexperience with hunting/trapping), the inn has everything else they need. There's access to the pharmacy (which is valuable for reasons beyond her dad's pills, e.g. access to antibiotics) as well as a source of fresh water (which is pretty much the number 1 priority in a survival scenario).
I agree. Not to mention, there's no guarantee the bugger won't try throwing you and Clem overboard during one of his hissy fits.
I agree with what you've said I'm just concerned that I may have misled Kenny. I told him I thought it was a good idea for him and his family to go to the coast in the RV while I had no intentions of going with him. Oh well, what's done is done...I'm sure he will be fine.
This is the bottom line that people don't seem to be able to see. Both Kenny and Lily are liabilities, poor leaders and have their own agendas above everybody else. Which is why I think the story is going to go the direction of YOU being the leader. You're the only one who's reasonable and clear thinking without a bunch of ulterior motives.
i think more ppl see that then you think, but at the end of epi 2, with larry smushed, lilly's only agenda (if she still has 1) is revenge against kenny which i intend to support.
Hm...I haven't yet. That is a legitimately interesting question!
I think that isn't as unforeseen as you think. I totally called that at the very beginning of the episode when you had the option not to support one or the other. It also was emphasized by Carley when she comments that Lee should take more initiative.
I totally want the story to go that way because it just adds to the "make difficult choices" angle of the game. I don't hate either Kenny or Lilly (though Kenny has done the more reprehensible thing as of now), but my Lee would certainly be a more transparent leader.
Though to be fair, almost every version of Lee has some slight ulterior motives that affects their decisions (Covering up his past, Clementine, etc). Just goes to show no leader is perfect.
It feels like from the previews that Kenny is just going to dangle the Larry thing as a reason to hate Lee. I would just love for Lee to point all of this out to him though to show that he is not Kenny's enemy!
as in kennys fishing boat story is just a cover, and he and katjaa are actually scientist looking after the first human clone?
As in the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
maybe i have an optimistic view of children, but i don't see any reason why duck wouldn't grow up to be come an accomplished well rounded adult, but that doesn't mean that he cant be a bit of an idiot as a child,
the way i see it, is that most people are just a combination of their parents in a more modern environment, so duck (if he and his family live) will probably just turn out to be just like katjaa and kenny but with the skills to survive post ZA
My previous comment was more about the tree than the apple.
The worst thing was I saw Larry was starting to breath again just before Kenny murdered him
I only sided with Kenny because it was kind of the right thing to do but in the meat locker he became the bad guy
He doesn't really care
And I would rather be on the side of a grieving person who has always tried her best than a murdering backstabber
Actually, Katjaa says something similar to what Kenny says about Duck when you first meet them.
In episode 2, when helping patch up whoever you brought back to the motor inn,if you choose to tell her "It's what your husband wanted..."
Katjaa: "I love that man to death, but sometimes he's dumber than a bag of hammers."
Guess the apple really DOESN'T fall all that far from the tree.
And I'd rather be on the side of someone who's always laid his cards out on the table and has had my back for months now, rather than a person who is only human when it's convenient for them.
or he can become complete unhinged and turn on me; claim ass of this is my fault.
i can already see it now "i wanted to leave the inn, but you guys stayed until the bandits showed up. i told you it would happen!"
Kenny got what he deserved. It was sad for Katjaa though. Even Duck grew on me, with him taking the mantle of Robin and letting me Batman. That was cute
Kenny destroyed this group. It's all a chain reaction from his stupid actions in the meat locker. He was very quick to eliminate the threat but when it came to Duck HE SHOWED HIS TRUE COLOURS. He didn't hurry and drop a salt lick on his head, right? He chickened out when it was someone he loved at stake.
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It may sound pretty odd but I'm still a supporter for team Lily.
Kenny abandoned me like too many times in episode 3 and once again was a irrational prick. He wanted to actually leave Lily in the Hotel just because he killed her father and hated himself. I mean... wtf.
It was sad to see Lily snap like that but I guess everybody pushed her. Carley should've been there for her instead of being all "on everybody's good side". Her flirting with Lee didn't help either I guess. In the end she stood for Ben who she hardly knew and once again ignored a very bad situation where our entire group almost got obliterated.
I'm actually more saddened by Lily leaving me than Carley dying. Would've been cool to actually invite me in her room instead of playing with me like a typical girl.