You know I never liked the guy. Because of his neverlasting needs and because he complained about anything after all the things I've done for him.
But I MUST give him his right, and I must admit maybe he might not be that bad at all. NOT BECAUSE he did something which needs to be done by courage but because he did THAT without knowing all the reason for bad happenings are because of himself. If he knew whole story(who the "stranger" is and why he is doing these) and then went for it, it was meaningless to me. But without knowing the whole truth, I guess he at last could manage to make one thing right in his pathetic life.
By the way, congrats to Wrighty and thestalkinghead
Sorry, but I still don't like him because he led us to our ending, but I admire him most with his last but meaningles suicidal attempt. (For your information, I was always kind to him, I even didn't threw him the statue)
One way or another, it was a great story which became more dramatic with Kenny. He played his role well, he doomed us, and that's all. Nonetheless, for one time, for all good, everyone, let's say:
F.ck Kenny!
(I really don't know what I'm thinking about this guy. Both admire and hatred so much for me. Something like love? I'm scared. :P)
How did Kenny doom everyone? Ben has more to answer for than Kenny.
And I don't think his death was meaningless. He finally saw the good in Ben and thought "Do you know what. Fuck it I'm not abandoning anyone else to get eaten and I'm not giving up on this kid. I'll die letting him know I do care for him"
Also all Kenny haters should let him get the statue head and see what happens. Shows how "evil" Kenny really is. And thanks. Me and stalking are the few who saw the good.
How did Kenny doom everyone? Ben has more to answer for than Kenny.
And I don't think his death was meaningless. He finally saw the good in Ben and thought "Do you know what. Fuck it I'm not abandoning anyone else to get eaten and I'm not giving up on this kid. I'll die letting him know I do care for him"
Also all Kenny haters should let him get the statue head and see what happens. Shows how "evil" Kenny really is. And thanks. Me and stalking are the few who saw the good.
Kenny doomed everyone by killing Larry but EVEN BETTER stealing from that lone car which both caused a series of chain reaction.
Man, isn't it enough for both sides (haters and lovers) to see that this discussion is going nowhere.
"Kenny" who you know and whom I know is way much more different than each other.
I wish you could see him being a "d.ck" for manyMANYmany times for just ONLY not helping him to bust some other guy's face, rather than pointing us to see his ONLYONE angel moment with that statue.
That's the point and sorry I'm done with Kenny. Have a nice discussion on that -hmpfs- man.
Cheers!
Also all Kenny haters should let him get the statue head and see what happens. Shows how "evil" Kenny really is. And thanks. Me and stalking are the few who saw the good.
What happens with Kenny and that statue some are talking about ? I can't remember any situation fighting Kenny with any statue. Actually it's even possible to convince him to stop the train with no fight. It seems I missed that statue part maybe because I was always trying to get the group toghether dispite my differences with Kenny, Ben, Larry and Lilly (each one at some point*).
*Well...there was no big arguments with Ben but the guy caused much pain; the only reason I stood for him at Crawford was because I took Clementine with us so she would not be alone with Omid (could turn a walker at any moment, I thought) and she stood for Ben...humn...making me standing for him as well...
EDIT: I think I must play a new game as a bad motherf*cker from day one to try to get more fights and stuff.
What happens with Kenny and that statue some are talking about ? I can't remember any situation fighting Kenny with any statue. Actually it's even possible to convince him to stop the train with no fight. It seems I missed that statue part maybe because I was always trying to get the group toghether dispite my differences with Kenny, Ben, Larry and Lilly (each one at some point*).
*Well...there was no big arguments with Ben but the guy caused much pain; the only reason I stood for him at Crawford was because I took Clementine with us so she would not be alone with Omid (could turn a walker at any moment, I thought) and she stood for Ben...humn...making me standing for him as well...
Man, statue issue is from Episode5. If you haven't experienced Ep5 yet, I strongly advise you to close this window immediately
Man, statue issue is from Episode5. If you haven't experienced Ep5 yet, I strongly advise you to close this window immediately
I just ended it last night\today but I'm still missing that statue part. The only thing that dropped on my head was at the end, when we have found Clementine and the walker grabs her.
By the way: I chose to chop my arm and later when Kenny was threatning me I said him to go ahead and kill me then. Maybe it was that part, in case the argument would last longer... or no ?
(didn't read many of the posts before this, but I decided I'd just put out my two cents on Kenny)
I liked Kenny since Episode 1, and when we pushed onto Episode 2 I can see he was doing his best to do the right thing but it was misguided. I could relate to him because my dad was and is similar to him in personality, and the choices he made I could see him making.
Kenny was a man wanting to do the right thing for everyone, but he made the wrong choices -- when he killed Larry after I tried to save him I started to dislike him, especially after he left me to fend for myself against the St. John's, but after that I realized that he did what the situation called for.
In Episode 3, I could see him breaking apart inside before Katjaa shot herself because of the current state the world was put into, I think he wanted it to all be over and go back to how things were, and after Katjaa and Duck died he was broken and had little to no reason to live anymore.
He kept on pushing to try and get the boat because that was his only goal, and when Clementine went missing (if you tell him she is all you have left now) he realizes that he has made a lot of mistakes, and decided to help Lee prevent any mistakes he made from affecting Clementine -- especially since he was going to die.
Yeah. We both looked at the marble statue at the same time but I was faster!
That sucked having to see Kenny again after telling him to go fuck himself. Still, I did get a chance to try and kill him and called him a bastard so it was not a total loss.
For the others, you came to the wrong thread to look for sympathy for Kenny. That asshole is responsible for getting us all killed. He even told me that every night Kat gave him shit for being such a dick. Lilly was right again...we can't let one person fuck this up for everyone!
Haha, I grabbed the statue first too
Oh, man, I have so much to say about Kenny.
So let's start!
FUCK KENNY!
Not only I tell him that I don't want him with us, but he crashes with our party again and pretends like nothing happened? And I don't get the chance to tell him to fuck off again? Damn, Telltale...
Later in the attic he even dared to say "There was that girl Lilly take came between me and Lee."
I beg your pardon?! How does he dare mention even Lilly and the Larry accident....
At least me being super mean and spiteful towards him was a sort of a satisfaction.
And also I was given the option to tell him he's a bastard.
I'm really displeased with the way my story ended with Kenny.
He should've been all alone, beaten by Vernon and his pals, rethinking his family's deaths over and over again, while starving to death, alone and in misery. That's what he deserves!
You think Kenny's a hero? Get a grip, please. He doesn't have his boat anymore and he doesn't have anywhere else to go. He wouldn't have come with me (not that I ever wanted him) if he had other options.
Then instead of helping me save Clem (you know with me dying and Ben dying) he decides to sacrifice himself for nothing? Oh.. the hypocrite...
If he's dead then I'm happy he died for nothing. I wouldn't have expected more from a moron like him. If he somehow survived (I'm sure he didn't) then I hope he ends up alone and full of regrets.
There are still a lot of people who have not played this great game. When they do, they're going to need a fuck Kenny thread to turn to and embrace. I see this thread lasting a long time!:D
Oh, man, I have so much to say about Kenny.
So let's start!
FUCK KENNY!
Not only I tell him that I don't want him with us, but he crashes with our party again and pretends like nothing happened? And I don't get the chance to tell him to fuck off again? Damn, Telltale...
Later in the attic he even dared to say "There was that girl Lilly take came between me and Lee."
I beg your pardon?! How does he dare mention even Lilly and the Larry accident....
At least me being super mean and spiteful towards him was a sort of a satisfaction.
And also I was given the option to tell him he's a bastard.
I'm really displeased with the way my story ended with Kenny.
He should've been all alone, beaten by Vernon and his pals, rethinking his family's deaths over and over again, while starving to death, alone and in misery. That's what he deserves!
You think Kenny's a hero? Get a grip, please. He doesn't have his boat anymore and he doesn't have anywhere else to go. He wouldn't have come with me (not that I ever wanted him) if he had other options.
Then instead of helping me save Clem (you know with me dying and Ben dying) he decides to sacrifice himself for nothing? Oh.. the hypocrite...
If he's dead then I'm happy he died for nothing. I wouldn't have expected more from a moron like him. If he somehow survived (I'm sure he didn't) then I hope he ends up alone and full of regrets.
And yet you are a Lily fan who kills an innocent person and then later on kills a baby and women. Pretty hypocritical.
There are still a lot of people who have not played this great game. When they do, they're going to need a fuck Kenny thread to turn to and embrace. I see this thread lasting a long time!:D
Team Kenny will build a wall of salt-licks around this thread. Nobody will get in ever again.
If he's dead then I'm happy he died for nothing. I wouldn't have expected more from a moron like him. If he somehow survived (I'm sure he didn't) then I hope he ends up alone and full of regrets.
If it makes you happy, not only did he die for nothing but he also died with a lot of regrets:
"No Lee, I could have been a better father... a better husband... and a better friend."
Registered to give my regards to Kenny, the best character in the Walking Dead video game. By a mile.
Lee and Kenny are dropping salt licks on Larry's head together in heaven.
The friendship between those two (if you went down that path) is second only to the bond between Lee and Clem, in my opinion. I loved that they both had each others' backs in my game until the very end.
Well, even if my relationship with Kenny was pretty strained since the salt-lick incident, I never really hateds the guy. I could see why he did what he had done, and besides, I'm not the kind to hold grudges for a very long time.
Actually, sometimes I hated myself for being so forgiving. He left me for dead twice and refused to come look for Clem with me (even when I told him she was my family), yet I wasn't even angry at the guy, just sad that he felt that way towards me. If he had been kind to me at least once in my game, I would have gladly stood by his side and called him a friend.
Still, in Ep. 5 he seemed to realise how selfish he'd been and started to change. I didn't grab that statue (I was even yelling at my screen that I didn't want to kill Kenny ), so he grabbed it and threw him at the wall. We apologised to each other in the following conversation and began anew (he even called me "pal", something unprecedent).
In the end, I'm somewhat happy with the way he went. After an entire season of looking out only for himself, he gave his life trying to save Ben. A bit ironic how his only selfless act ended up costing him his life, but it shows how much he'd grew in that episode.
I'll miss Kenny. I wish I could have called him a friend, but I suppose these things don't work out all the time. May you throw salt-licks on unsuspecting angels in heaven .
The friendship between those two (if you went down that path) is second only to the bond between Lee and Clem, in my opinion. I loved that they both had each others' backs in my game until the very end.
^This.
If you treat him right, he's a great bro to have
^This.
If you treat him right, he's a great bro to have
If you treat him right...
Well, no offense but I'm so curious how does it not enough to treat him right, except aggreing him to bust Larry's face and shooting the lone girl on the street to gain more time and stealing from a lone car, BUT other than these three, agreeing with ALL stuff he was waiting from Lee? Is everything Lee did for him really not enough to gain his friendship?
Last time I checked, the only thing meLee ever needed to call Kenny as a "friend" was he has a wife and a little boy.
Yes, Kenny is such a hero-bro of all times!
P.S: For all Kennylovers, please be sure that you liked Kenny most because you probably helped him to bust Larry's face. And you are accusing Lilly fans for supporting a murderer, what an irony.
Beware, at least with Carley situation what ever your decision of Lilly's fate was, Lee's hands remained CLEAN. (For me, hands of whom let Lilly get on the RV are way much cleaner)
You have your own angle of Lee's hands condition while deciding your attempt on Larry situation.
Have fun
Well, since I think that Larry was pretty dead after he stopped breathing, had no pulse, and his heart stopped beating, I'd say that my Lee's hands were pretty clean in the meat locker too. Walkers don't count as people, and Larry was pretty much a walker about 10 seconds after he hit the ground, in my mind. Kenny's actions may not always seem to be "right" but they ARE logical. Logical decisions which will actually benefit/save the group as a whole. Just like leaving the girl in the street or busting Larry's head.
My relationship with Kenny was pretty tense. In Ep 1, we were good friends, but in episode 2 we began to have problems. I didn't want to support him or Lilly in the struggle, but I tried to save Larry. Despite he called me useless, despite him being mad at me for helping Larry or defending Ben, I still thought he was a good person . In Ep 5 I finally realized that I was right, he was still the closest thing to a friend I had. He was able to do anything to get Clem back, and even bagan forgiving Ben. That's why I wanted him to take care of her.
Well, since I think that Larry was pretty dead after he stopped breathing, had no pulse, and his heart stopped beating, I'd say that my Lee's hands were pretty clean in the meat locker too. Walkers don't count as people, and Larry was pretty much a walker about 10 seconds after he hit the ground, in my mind. Kenny's actions may not always seem to be "right" but they ARE logical. Logical decisions which will actually benefit/save the group as a whole. Just like leaving the girl in the street or busting Larry's head.
This pretty much sums it up.
I think its funny how people pretend theres no difference between shooting a person who was no threat in the head for doing something she might not have even done and making sure Larry who might already be dead doesnt destroy (LITERALLY) the whole group. Lilly fans really have to clutch at straws to find faults, especially after ep 5. Saying that every logical decision he makes proves he is a bad and evil person, who deserves to die.
Well, no offense but I'm so curious how does it not enough to treat him right, except aggreing him to bust Larry's face and shooting the lone girl on the street to gain more time and stealing from a lone car, BUT other than these three, agreeing with ALL stuff he was waiting from Lee? Is everything Lee did for him really not enough to gain his friendship?
Last time I checked, the only thing meLee ever needed to call Kenny as a "friend" was he has a wife and a little boy.
Yes, Kenny is such a hero-bro of all times!
P.S: For all Kennylovers, please be sure that you liked Kenny most because you probably helped him to bust Larry's face. And you are accusing Lilly fans for supporting a murderer, what an irony.
Beware, at least with Carley situation what ever your decision of Lilly's fate was, Lee's hands remained CLEAN. (For me, hands of whom let Lilly get on the RV are way much cleaner)
You have your own angle of Lee's hands condition while deciding your attempt on Larry situation.
Have fun
Larry wasn't dead yet, but he sure was about to be. I agree with what Kenny did but he did it way to fast and handled it poorly. If he gave Lilly a little more time and maybe didn't do it right in front of her. Larry wasn't going to turn instantly.
Nope, he wasn't. Otherwise, Lee might have said that "Ok, Lilly. I'm so sorry... but he is all gone..." kinda quote.
Guys, please try to be reasonable. Even if he were dead, Kenny should respect Lilly's feelings. It's not only himself who cares for his family. And the only family is not his family. He suddenly came into HER group and started giving orders, making decisions, busting heads etc... So ridiculous.
I'm not supporting Lilly of course because of her murder. I think she is psychology ill in some way- too stressed, too sad, too desperate... And Carley (which I love most) really pushed her buttons.
And I'm trying to be reasonable with someone who makes instant deadly mistakes like Lilly. Her reacton was so humanistic to me- it was so primitive, it was so weak which makes all of us "human".
But I can't support someone whose actions are slippery, cowardy and treachery. And I can't call him a friend in long term. I don't know if I could express myself; I love Lilly because her mistake was about her wrong instincts, and I don't love Kenny because his (ton of) mistakeS were all about his personality.
You are completely free to love Kenny who always pushes you around, forcing you into hard situations, yelling at you, complaining you etc, and I can love an unfortunate murderer. I'm not even talking about claiming the leader role while Kenny has NO way anything about it. He was always all irritating with his words, with his ideas, and with his actions and I'm really speechless how can people call him "friend" after he pushes Lee away when Lee tried to talk to him on that train. Just weird but I guess this is all about perspective.
You may not agree with me about the things I listed above and I respect that. But, please
never and ever try to sweep under the carpet that Kenny's salty attempt was the first and deadly sin against Lee's group. They were so bound to each other, but with his selfishness around, everything started to crumble. I am sorry for you Kennylovers, but not Lilly, not Larry, not Ben, and even not radioman was the reason they are all dead and everything messed up. But with not giving respect to any others' feelings, Kenny did start everything.
MY LAST WORDS ABOUT KENNY ARE THESE: (And I'm serious with that, those moustaches took so much time from my life) I prefer a "murderer" with a good attitude than a presuming traitor if I have to call someone "friend".
P.S: In fact, it is so funny I am still talking about this guy since the game is over and everything ended...
I must be really pissed off with Kenny
Although it's true that he may have died later or what have you, but he definitely wasn't dead at the time. If the player manages to give Larry five CPR reps he responds and takes a breath.
It's not a breath, he just moves his mouth. It could be him turning for all we actually know.
And I don't see how Kenny actually pushes Lee around. I also don't see how Kenny got everyone killed. Yeah, the supplies in the car weren't abandoned, but exactly how many of us knew, right that second, that a family of four was currently using that food? Because at the time, not only was the group starving, but it had just lost two members and had another one wounded. The motel had a week's worth of food left if it were rationed. The group didn;t know that the bandits would attack, or that the radio guy would come back. Hindsight is 20/20 they say, so it may be easy to judge Kenny's actions now that we know Campman was still alive, but did you really expect the man to let his family starve to death because the food "might" have belonged to someone? If the bandits hadn't raided the motel, and the group had stayed, they would have all died without that food, slowly and painfully.
And him smashing Larry's head in was completely understandable. When you die, you come back no matter what unless the brain is destroyed. After Larry brought on his heart attack, he hit the ground. Reasons to kill him:
1. No pulse
2. He's not breathing.
3. There's no medicine for his heart.
4. The group is trapped in a confined space with a 6'4, 300 pound corpse who may very well become a walker.
5. The group has no weapons.
6. Two members of the group are being held at gunpoint outside, while another two are on their way with no idea of what they are walking into.
Reasons to try and save Larry:
1. He might be alive.
2. Lilly is there.
Seeing as how Lilly and Larry don't give two shits about anyone but themselves, judging by how they act toward everyone else in the group, why should Lee and Kenny put their lives, as well as Kat, Duck, Carley, Ben, and Clem on the line for those two? When Kenny became just as pragmatic as Lilly, he becomes a monster, but Lilly gets excused. Why is that? If it had been anyone but Larry that went down, Lilly would have been the first to grab a salt lick. If Kenny hadn't done what he'd done, there's a big chance that nobody would have made it back to the motel alive.
It's not a breath, he just moves his mouth. It could be him turning for all we actually know.
Breathing = moving mouth, eh? I'm pretty sure it was suppose to show him breathing, Telltale just didn't make the animation for the movement fluid enough. I also don't think Telltale added it in for no reason, it means something (the meaning is to probably spur discussions like this). I know it varies between people but I don't think Larry would reanimate that fast. Still a possibility though.
Whether or not it was the right thing or not, I don't know. Killing him was probably the right thing to do, but as Katjaa puts it:
"Doing the right thing is just scary sometimes."
So Kenny's more responsible for everyone's death than Ben because...he traumatized Lilly? Are you serious?
We should just blame Larry for everything, then, since he refused to calm down and had the heart attack in the first place.
Or maybe the St. Johns, since they're the ones who put Larry in the high-stress situation.
Basically, find every way imaginable to deflect any real blame from Lilly. It's not her fault that she makes awful decisions and had her own ruthless pragmatism used against her by Kenny. She continues to be played up as a poor, helpless victim by all her defenders.
No accountability. Unless you're Kenny; then it's all your fault.
And yes, Kenny is incredibly flawed. Very incredibly flawed. But his flaws are balanced by a hard-working determination and love of family that's only rivaled by Lee. In fact, determination and love of family (Clementine) are basically the defining features of both Lee and Kenny. It's what makes them such a good team.
Breathing = moving mouth, eh? I'm pretty sure it was suppose to show him breathing, Telltale just didn't make the animation for the movement fluid enough. I also don't think Telltale added it in for no reason, it means something (the meaning is to probably spur discussions like this). I know it varies between people but I don't think Larry would reanimate that fast. Still a possibility though.
Whether or not it was the right thing or not, I don't know. Killing him was probably the right thing to do, but as Katjaa puts it:
"Doing the right thing is just scary sometimes."
Not breathing and having no pulse makes you clinically dead. Larry was dead when he hit the floor. It's been discussed ad nauseum earlier in this topic.
Regardless, any outside facts that neither Lee nor Kenny had access to (in other words, minute details about why Larry isn't dead, just taking a nap) can't be thrown in here. Lee and Kenny had seconds to make a decision.
Kenny is a dick with a very short memory of all the times Lee helps his family.
Tell him that Clem's your family, and he'll acknowledge all the times you helped Kat and Duck and come with you. Doesn't sound like short memory to me.
I'm pretty sure it was suppose to show him breathing, Telltale just didn't make the animation for the movement fluid enough. I also don't think Telltale added it in for no reason, it means something (the meaning is to probably spur discussions like this).
Telltale knew exactly what they were doing and have specifically stated that the movement was intended to be ambiguous - dead or reanimating... oops.
Obviously they did their job right considering there are 62 pages of this discussion and it just keeps going.
Tell him that Clem's your family, and he'll acknowledge all the times you helped Kat and Duck and come with you. Doesn't sound like short memory to me.
Actually, I told him Clem was my family and he still didn´t come with me. Instead, he decided to tell me to go fuck myself.
So yeah, he does have short term memory, and a bad case of the dickish.
Actually, I told him Clem was my family and he still didn´t come with me. Instead, he decided to tell me to go fuck myself.
So yeah, he does have short term memory, and a bad case of the dickish.
I've never actually seen him tell anyone to go fuck themselves after they say Clem is family. And why wouldn't he be a dick? His own family died in front of him less than a day before Episode 4 even begins. He's not just going to shrug that off and say "Oh well, I did all I could."
I sided with Lilly when Larry was dying, but with Danny I freaked out and he shot me. And on my second try, I was like KENNY SHOOT THIS F*CKER and he just hid there like a pansy and Lilly had to shoot him. ;_;
You do understand as long as you have his back he has yours right?
You make it sound like its crazy to not have his back all the time, but to do so isn't that easy.
EP1 Save Duck: Okay this is a pretty easy choice. Side With Kenny: To side with him you have to aggressively say your gonna kick Larry's ass rather than reason with him. I wasn't on Larry's side here but because I wanted to be more diplomatic here and not aggressive I'm considered to be on Larry's side. This one is more on the dialogue option's fault than Kenny's.
EP2 Side with him over Lilly as Leader: He has okay opinions here but usually everyone chooses not to pick a side on this and wants a democracy. Choose to kill Larry: This is the biggest choice in the whole game with Kenny's opinion on you and to make him like you, you have to smash a man's head in in front of his daughter. He was right but come on he handled it very poorly and impulsive. Steal from the Van: Easier choice but still clearly the morally wrong choice and majority of people choose the option that is more "Nice guy Lee" than "Survivalist, Pragmatic Lee".
EP4 Side with his Boat Plan: I never believed his plan would work and never hid it from him and for that he hated me. Kill Ben: Killing him because he makes bad decisions is wrong. The best way to handle that would be to either watch him better and treat him like one of the kids and not as an adult, or to kick him out of the group. Murder was not needed and just seems overkill.
Kenny isn't a bad man, but he is impulsive and doesn't like it when people don't agree him. He didn't change until after the boat was gone. The choices needed to have him stay on your good side are mostly the morally wrong option. (Murder, theft)
Lilly's actions in the meat locker were driven by emotion rather than logic, and she was putting the entire group (including Clementine) in danger.
Larry had taken a massive heart attack. He was not breathing and had no pulse, and without the benefit of modern medicine there was no way he could survive. Keep in mind that this heart attack occurs after civilization has collapsed and when there are no paramedics or functioning hospitals, and with the group trapped in a meat locker. Larry's chance at survival even without Kenny introducing his face to a salt lick, was zero.
If Kenny hadn't dropped that salt lick on Larry, they would have had to battle a 6'4 300 lb enraged walker, after it had chewed Lilly's face off.
So just kill him because he's handicapped? Is that what you tell yourself to feel better about your choice? It's funny considering people are usually disgusted with Crawford...
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How did Kenny doom everyone? Ben has more to answer for than Kenny.
And I don't think his death was meaningless. He finally saw the good in Ben and thought "Do you know what. Fuck it I'm not abandoning anyone else to get eaten and I'm not giving up on this kid. I'll die letting him know I do care for him"
Also all Kenny haters should let him get the statue head and see what happens. Shows how "evil" Kenny really is. And thanks. Me and stalking are the few who saw the good.
Kenny doomed everyone by killing Larry but EVEN BETTER stealing from that lone car which both caused a series of chain reaction.
Man, isn't it enough for both sides (haters and lovers) to see that this discussion is going nowhere.
"Kenny" who you know and whom I know is way much more different than each other.
I wish you could see him being a "d.ck" for manyMANYmany times for just ONLY not helping him to bust some other guy's face, rather than pointing us to see his ONLYONE angel moment with that statue.
That's the point and sorry I'm done with Kenny. Have a nice discussion on that -hmpfs- man.
Cheers!
What happens with Kenny and that statue some are talking about ? I can't remember any situation fighting Kenny with any statue. Actually it's even possible to convince him to stop the train with no fight. It seems I missed that statue part maybe because I was always trying to get the group toghether dispite my differences with Kenny, Ben, Larry and Lilly (each one at some point*).
*Well...there was no big arguments with Ben but the guy caused much pain; the only reason I stood for him at Crawford was because I took Clementine with us so she would not be alone with Omid (could turn a walker at any moment, I thought) and she stood for Ben...humn...making me standing for him as well...
EDIT: I think I must play a new game as a bad motherf*cker from day one to try to get more fights and stuff.
Man, statue issue is from Episode5. If you haven't experienced Ep5 yet, I strongly advise you to close this window immediately
I just ended it last night\today but I'm still missing that statue part. The only thing that dropped on my head was at the end, when we have found Clementine and the walker grabs her.
By the way: I chose to chop my arm and later when Kenny was threatning me I said him to go ahead and kill me then. Maybe it was that part, in case the argument would last longer... or no ?
I liked Kenny since Episode 1, and when we pushed onto Episode 2 I can see he was doing his best to do the right thing but it was misguided. I could relate to him because my dad was and is similar to him in personality, and the choices he made I could see him making.
Kenny was a man wanting to do the right thing for everyone, but he made the wrong choices -- when he killed Larry after I tried to save him I started to dislike him, especially after he left me to fend for myself against the St. John's, but after that I realized that he did what the situation called for.
In Episode 3, I could see him breaking apart inside before Katjaa shot herself because of the current state the world was put into, I think he wanted it to all be over and go back to how things were, and after Katjaa and Duck died he was broken and had little to no reason to live anymore.
He kept on pushing to try and get the boat because that was his only goal, and when Clementine went missing (if you tell him she is all you have left now) he realizes that he has made a lot of mistakes, and decided to help Lee prevent any mistakes he made from affecting Clementine -- especially since he was going to die.
Haha, I grabbed the statue first too
Oh, man, I have so much to say about Kenny.
So let's start!
FUCK KENNY!
Not only I tell him that I don't want him with us, but he crashes with our party again and pretends like nothing happened? And I don't get the chance to tell him to fuck off again? Damn, Telltale...
Later in the attic he even dared to say "There was that girl Lilly take came between me and Lee."
I beg your pardon?! How does he dare mention even Lilly and the Larry accident....
At least me being super mean and spiteful towards him was a sort of a satisfaction.
And also I was given the option to tell him he's a bastard.
I'm really displeased with the way my story ended with Kenny.
He should've been all alone, beaten by Vernon and his pals, rethinking his family's deaths over and over again, while starving to death, alone and in misery. That's what he deserves!
You think Kenny's a hero? Get a grip, please. He doesn't have his boat anymore and he doesn't have anywhere else to go. He wouldn't have come with me (not that I ever wanted him) if he had other options.
Then instead of helping me save Clem (you know with me dying and Ben dying) he decides to sacrifice himself for nothing? Oh.. the hypocrite...
If he's dead then I'm happy he died for nothing. I wouldn't have expected more from a moron like him. If he somehow survived (I'm sure he didn't) then I hope he ends up alone and full of regrets.
And yet you are a Lily fan who kills an innocent person and then later on kills a baby and women. Pretty hypocritical.
Team Kenny will build a wall of salt-licks around this thread. Nobody will get in ever again.
"No Lee, I could have been a better father... a better husband... and a better friend."
Lee and Kenny are dropping salt licks on Larry's head together in heaven.
The friendship between those two (if you went down that path) is second only to the bond between Lee and Clem, in my opinion. I loved that they both had each others' backs in my game until the very end.
Actually, sometimes I hated myself for being so forgiving. He left me for dead twice and refused to come look for Clem with me (even when I told him she was my family), yet I wasn't even angry at the guy, just sad that he felt that way towards me. If he had been kind to me at least once in my game, I would have gladly stood by his side and called him a friend.
Still, in Ep. 5 he seemed to realise how selfish he'd been and started to change. I didn't grab that statue (I was even yelling at my screen that I didn't want to kill Kenny
In the end, I'm somewhat happy with the way he went. After an entire season of looking out only for himself, he gave his life trying to save Ben. A bit ironic how his only selfless act ended up costing him his life, but it shows how much he'd grew in that episode.
I'll miss Kenny. I wish I could have called him a friend, but I suppose these things don't work out all the time. May you throw salt-licks on unsuspecting angels in heaven
^This.
If you treat him right, he's a great bro to have
If you treat him right...
Well, no offense but I'm so curious how does it not enough to treat him right, except aggreing him to bust Larry's face and shooting the lone girl on the street to gain more time and stealing from a lone car, BUT other than these three, agreeing with ALL stuff he was waiting from Lee? Is everything Lee did for him really not enough to gain his friendship?
Last time I checked, the only thing meLee ever needed to call Kenny as a "friend" was he has a wife and a little boy.
Yes, Kenny is such a hero-bro of all times!
P.S: For all Kennylovers, please be sure that you liked Kenny most because you probably helped him to bust Larry's face. And you are accusing Lilly fans for supporting a murderer, what an irony.
Beware, at least with Carley situation what ever your decision of Lilly's fate was, Lee's hands remained CLEAN. (For me, hands of whom let Lilly get on the RV are way much cleaner)
You have your own angle of Lee's hands condition while deciding your attempt on Larry situation.
Have fun
This pretty much sums it up.
I think its funny how people pretend theres no difference between shooting a person who was no threat in the head for doing something she might not have even done and making sure Larry who might already be dead doesnt destroy (LITERALLY) the whole group. Lilly fans really have to clutch at straws to find faults, especially after ep 5. Saying that every logical decision he makes proves he is a bad and evil person, who deserves to die.
Larry was already dead, pal. Try again.
Guys, please try to be reasonable. Even if he were dead, Kenny should respect Lilly's feelings. It's not only himself who cares for his family. And the only family is not his family. He suddenly came into HER group and started giving orders, making decisions, busting heads etc... So ridiculous.
I'm not supporting Lilly of course because of her murder. I think she is psychology ill in some way- too stressed, too sad, too desperate... And Carley (which I love most) really pushed her buttons.
And I'm trying to be reasonable with someone who makes instant deadly mistakes like Lilly. Her reacton was so humanistic to me- it was so primitive, it was so weak which makes all of us "human".
But I can't support someone whose actions are slippery, cowardy and treachery. And I can't call him a friend in long term. I don't know if I could express myself; I love Lilly because her mistake was about her wrong instincts, and I don't love Kenny because his (ton of) mistakeS were all about his personality.
You are completely free to love Kenny who always pushes you around, forcing you into hard situations, yelling at you, complaining you etc, and I can love an unfortunate murderer. I'm not even talking about claiming the leader role while Kenny has NO way anything about it. He was always all irritating with his words, with his ideas, and with his actions and I'm really speechless how can people call him "friend" after he pushes Lee away when Lee tried to talk to him on that train. Just weird but I guess this is all about perspective.
You may not agree with me about the things I listed above and I respect that. But, please
never and ever try to sweep under the carpet that Kenny's salty attempt was the first and deadly sin against Lee's group. They were so bound to each other, but with his selfishness around, everything started to crumble. I am sorry for you Kennylovers, but not Lilly, not Larry, not Ben, and even not radioman was the reason they are all dead and everything messed up. But with not giving respect to any others' feelings, Kenny did start everything.
MY LAST WORDS ABOUT KENNY ARE THESE: (And I'm serious with that, those moustaches took so much time from my life)
I prefer a "murderer" with a good attitude than a presuming traitor if I have to call someone "friend".
P.S: In fact, it is so funny I am still talking about this guy since the game is over and everything ended...
I must be really pissed off with Kenny
And I don't see how Kenny actually pushes Lee around. I also don't see how Kenny got everyone killed. Yeah, the supplies in the car weren't abandoned, but exactly how many of us knew, right that second, that a family of four was currently using that food? Because at the time, not only was the group starving, but it had just lost two members and had another one wounded. The motel had a week's worth of food left if it were rationed. The group didn;t know that the bandits would attack, or that the radio guy would come back. Hindsight is 20/20 they say, so it may be easy to judge Kenny's actions now that we know Campman was still alive, but did you really expect the man to let his family starve to death because the food "might" have belonged to someone? If the bandits hadn't raided the motel, and the group had stayed, they would have all died without that food, slowly and painfully.
And him smashing Larry's head in was completely understandable. When you die, you come back no matter what unless the brain is destroyed. After Larry brought on his heart attack, he hit the ground. Reasons to kill him:
1. No pulse
2. He's not breathing.
3. There's no medicine for his heart.
4. The group is trapped in a confined space with a 6'4, 300 pound corpse who may very well become a walker.
5. The group has no weapons.
6. Two members of the group are being held at gunpoint outside, while another two are on their way with no idea of what they are walking into.
Reasons to try and save Larry:
1. He might be alive.
2. Lilly is there.
Seeing as how Lilly and Larry don't give two shits about anyone but themselves, judging by how they act toward everyone else in the group, why should Lee and Kenny put their lives, as well as Kat, Duck, Carley, Ben, and Clem on the line for those two? When Kenny became just as pragmatic as Lilly, he becomes a monster, but Lilly gets excused. Why is that? If it had been anyone but Larry that went down, Lilly would have been the first to grab a salt lick. If Kenny hadn't done what he'd done, there's a big chance that nobody would have made it back to the motel alive.
Just like you said, it could be him turning for all we know. It could also be him breathing for all we know. We don't know.
Whether or not it was the right thing or not, I don't know. Killing him was probably the right thing to do, but as Katjaa puts it:
"Doing the right thing is just scary sometimes."
So Kenny's more responsible for everyone's death than Ben because...he traumatized Lilly? Are you serious?
We should just blame Larry for everything, then, since he refused to calm down and had the heart attack in the first place.
Or maybe the St. Johns, since they're the ones who put Larry in the high-stress situation.
Basically, find every way imaginable to deflect any real blame from Lilly. It's not her fault that she makes awful decisions and had her own ruthless pragmatism used against her by Kenny. She continues to be played up as a poor, helpless victim by all her defenders.
No accountability. Unless you're Kenny; then it's all your fault.
And yes, Kenny is incredibly flawed. Very incredibly flawed. But his flaws are balanced by a hard-working determination and love of family that's only rivaled by Lee. In fact, determination and love of family (Clementine) are basically the defining features of both Lee and Kenny. It's what makes them such a good team.
Not breathing and having no pulse makes you clinically dead. Larry was dead when he hit the floor. It's been discussed ad nauseum earlier in this topic.
Regardless, any outside facts that neither Lee nor Kenny had access to (in other words, minute details about why Larry isn't dead, just taking a nap) can't be thrown in here. Lee and Kenny had seconds to make a decision.
Tell him that Clem's your family, and he'll acknowledge all the times you helped Kat and Duck and come with you. Doesn't sound like short memory to me.
Telltale knew exactly what they were doing and have specifically stated that the movement was intended to be ambiguous - dead or reanimating... oops.
Obviously they did their job right considering there are 62 pages of this discussion and it just keeps going.
Actually, I told him Clem was my family and he still didn´t come with me. Instead, he decided to tell me to go fuck myself.
So yeah, he does have short term memory, and a bad case of the dickish.
I've never actually seen him tell anyone to go fuck themselves after they say Clem is family. And why wouldn't he be a dick? His own family died in front of him less than a day before Episode 4 even begins. He's not just going to shrug that off and say "Oh well, I did all I could."
You make it sound like its crazy to not have his back all the time, but to do so isn't that easy.
EP1
Save Duck: Okay this is a pretty easy choice.
Side With Kenny: To side with him you have to aggressively say your gonna kick Larry's ass rather than reason with him. I wasn't on Larry's side here but because I wanted to be more diplomatic here and not aggressive I'm considered to be on Larry's side. This one is more on the dialogue option's fault than Kenny's.
EP2
Side with him over Lilly as Leader: He has okay opinions here but usually everyone chooses not to pick a side on this and wants a democracy.
Choose to kill Larry: This is the biggest choice in the whole game with Kenny's opinion on you and to make him like you, you have to smash a man's head in in front of his daughter. He was right but come on he handled it very poorly and impulsive.
Steal from the Van: Easier choice but still clearly the morally wrong choice and majority of people choose the option that is more "Nice guy Lee" than "Survivalist, Pragmatic Lee".
EP4
Side with his Boat Plan: I never believed his plan would work and never hid it from him and for that he hated me.
Kill Ben: Killing him because he makes bad decisions is wrong. The best way to handle that would be to either watch him better and treat him like one of the kids and not as an adult, or to kick him out of the group. Murder was not needed and just seems overkill.
Kenny isn't a bad man, but he is impulsive and doesn't like it when people don't agree him. He didn't change until after the boat was gone. The choices needed to have him stay on your good side are mostly the morally wrong option. (Murder, theft)
Lilly's actions in the meat locker were driven by emotion rather than logic, and she was putting the entire group (including Clementine) in danger.
Larry had taken a massive heart attack. He was not breathing and had no pulse, and without the benefit of modern medicine there was no way he could survive. Keep in mind that this heart attack occurs after civilization has collapsed and when there are no paramedics or functioning hospitals, and with the group trapped in a meat locker. Larry's chance at survival even without Kenny introducing his face to a salt lick, was zero.
If Kenny hadn't dropped that salt lick on Larry, they would have had to battle a 6'4 300 lb enraged walker, after it had chewed Lilly's face off.
Yeah, even if he lived, if he keeps on having those heart attacks without medication, he's dead.