Larry was the guy that wanted to trow an uninfected boy in the streets. Kenny wanted to drop a saltlick on a guy who had an heart attack. I supported neither of them, but Kenny never acted like an asshole because I agreed with him in most arguments with Lilly, not because I was his dog.
All I heard from Kenny in the meat locker were facts. Larry was not breathing, he had no pulse, there was no medicine. No breathing + no pulse = dead. When you die, you come back as a walker. When you come back as a walker, you try to kill and eat living people. One bite, one little scratch, and it's all over. Larry didn't need to even kill anyone in the meat locker. If he came back and so much as scratched Lee, Clem, Lilly, or Kenny, then they would have died. Carley/Doug, Ben, Katjaa, and Duck also would ahve died. Those are all facts, or at the very least the most likely outcomes. So the man makes sure that nobody else dies, and gets pissed at Lee when he's willing to get the entire group killed to save some jackass who doesn't care about anyone but himself and his own family. Perhaps not even Lilly as much. Just give Lilly food the next time you play Episode 2, but don't give any to Larry. For a man who's sole reason for being the way he is is to "protect his daughter", you think he wouldn't complain about not being fed when his daughter was instead.
As for Kenny "stealing" from the lone car, the key word is "lone". There was absolutely no reason to suspect that the owners of the car were even still alive, let alone coming back. There's a reason that the majority of players took the food. You did pay attention earlier in the episode, right? When the group was starving? When they had no food? The entire reason everyone went to the dairy was because they had no food left. Without the food in the car, the entire group would have starved to death. You can't say that taking it was wrong because "Campman came back". Kenny thought the car was abandoned. Katjaa thought the same thing. The way you say him stealing from the car is bad makes it seem like the group definately starving to death slowly is what everyone should have done, based on the suspicion that the owners might be alive, and might come back. Lilly even says at the start of Episode 2 that the group needs to find more food. Food presents itself, and what does she do? "Let's leave it here guys, the people who we don't even know are alive or coming back for it need it more than our large group with two children that is currently starving".
Why wouldn't Kenny want Ben dead? I find it hilarious that you describe Ben as innocent. Ben's actions directly led to Duck being bitten and Kat commiting suicide, as well as Doug/Carley getting shot. Let's not forget Ben abandoning Clem to the walkers, which also gets Chuck killed when he has to step in and gets left behind. There's also Brie, who was eaten by the walkers that Ben let into the school. That's about five deaths resulting directly from his own actions before the belltower sequence. Ben even says himself that it's all his fault when he talks to Lee in private at Crawford. Kat and Duck were the people Kenny cared about most, the people he nearly died for at the St. John dairy. Ben got them, plus Carley/Doug, all killed in the same day, which was barely 24 hours in the past by the time the Crawford raid takes place. If you saw a chance to see the killer of your wife and child die like they did, barely a day or two after it happened, why wouldn't you take it? The man even forgives Ben for everything in the end! Tell him that Ben wanted to die in Crawford during the attic conversation. He'll even say "I'm glad it was you making that choice, and not me." Less than a day after realizing Ben killed his entire family, he forgives him and says that he's glad Ben didn't die. He even gives his life trying to save Ben, and when he realizes that he can't, he elects to use the one bullet he has left to painlessly mercy kill the kid who was responsible for his family's death. Which, in turn, results in his own death being drawn out and painful.
I actually don't have much issue with Kenny killing Larry. Personally I tried to help just to make absolutely sure he was dead while I still had time before smashing his face; Kenny didn't want to risk it. I don't think there was necessarily a right/wrong reaction in that situation.
Him leaving you to die twice right after that if you didn't help him kill Larry is ridiculous though.
misled in what way? he stated facts, like if you die you turn unless the brain is destroyed, larry was dead, he will turn unless his brain is destroyed therefore larry's brain needed to be destroyed
Whoa there Rambo, cool your jets! Maybe you wouldn't mind having a salt lick dropped on your head when you're "close enough" to being dead but that's not okay with everyone.:D
My vote is for CPR because I hear that "sometimes" it works.:)
Whoa there Rambo, cool your jets! Maybe you wouldn't mind having a salt lick dropped on your head when you're "close enough" to being dead but that's not okay with everyone.:D
My vote is for CPR because I hear that "sometimes" it works.:)
It does sometime work.
...when that person can be taken to the hospital after and be given proper treatment, which sometimes includes surgery.
Larry had a massive heart attack. He wasn't going to survive no matter what you did for him, because he was locked in a meat locker in a world in which there were no longer any hospitals.
Whoa there Rambo, cool your jets! Maybe you wouldn't mind having a salt lick dropped on your head when you're "close enough" to being dead but that's not okay with everyone.:D
My vote is for CPR because I hear that "sometimes" it works.:)
Of course I wouldn't mind someone dropping a salt-lick on my head if I'm about to become a walker. I would never want to be a zombie OR kill and eat all of my friends and turn THEM into zombies too. If you wanna turn into a zombie, by all means. Just don't do it around me man, I prefer to survive the apocalypse
...when that person can be taken to the hospital after and be given proper treatment, which sometimes includes surgery.
Larry had a massive heart attack. He wasn't going to survive no matter what you did for him, because he was locked in a meat locker in a world in which there were no longer any hospitals.
I can see your point if there is no possibility of meeting a doctor, with medical supplies, or equipment.... even in Savannah.
Of course I wouldn't mind someone dropping a salt-lick on my head if I'm about to become a walker. I would never want to be a zombie OR kill and eat all of my friends and turn THEM into zombies too. If you wanna turn into a zombie, by all means. Just don't do it around me man, I prefer to survive the apocalypse
Don't be so dramatic Rock. No one is going to let you turn into a walker that's a promise!:D First, we try amputation.......
I sided with Kenny for the first episode because Lilly and Larry rubbed me the very wrong way. By the end of Episode 2, I realized I got really poor rolls in the zombie apocalypse - I was stuck with fairly ignorant and intransigent people. Kenny and (obviously) Lilly screwed me over in Episode 3 a few times, and I felt bad for Kenny in Episode 4, but when he went off on how I was never there for him I told him to fuck off and for the entirety of Episode 5 I was very flippant towards him. By the end, I was just disgusted by his pointless suicide and killing of Ben.
At least Ben did redeem himself. He managed to be cool and not make any real mistakes. Kenny was just a damn mule the whole time.
Don't be so dramatic Rock. No one is going to let you turn into a walker that's a promise!:D First, we try amputation.......
Amputation?! What if the bite is on my neck?! What will you amputate then? And why do I get the feeling that you'd get some form of joy from slowly hacking off a piece of my body...
It's because you can't jump, isn't it. I hope I don't get bitten on my leg.
Amputation?! What if the bite is on my neck?! What will you amputate then? And why do I get the feeling that you'd get some form of joy from slowly hacking off a piece of my body...
It's because you can't jump, isn't it. I hope I don't get bitten on my leg.
Again with the jumping? We all made it to the boat right? well....except for Hanson...he sure flew far didn't he?
I sided with Kenny for the first episode because Lilly and Larry rubbed me the very wrong way. By the end of Episode 2, I realized I got really poor rolls in the zombie apocalypse - I was stuck with fairly ignorant and intransigent people. Kenny and (obviously) Lilly screwed me over in Episode 3 a few times, and I felt bad for Kenny in Episode 4, but when he went off on how I was never there for him I told him to fuck off and for the entirety of Episode 5 I was very flippant towards him. By the end, I was just disgusted by his pointless suicide and killing of Ben.
At least Ben did redeem himself. He managed to be cool and not make any real mistakes. Kenny was just a damn mule the whole time.
Throughout the game, Ben got around 4 different people killed, left Clem for dead and told Kenny what he did at the WORST POSSIBLE TIME. But it's okay because he managed not to fuck up in the final episode.
Meanwhile Kenny manages to find the will not to blow Bens brains out for wrecking his family and even manages to forgive the kid and mercy kills him. He doesn't do any more or less than Ben, but you still call him a "mule"
I'm sorry, but no. That's really all that needs to be said here. No.
In the new dictionaries written after(or during) the zombie apocalypse, you will find Ben's picture next to the word "mistake".
He was a good dude, but he was also a bonehead.
Haha I agree, I liked the kid, but he was a fuckup. And Kenny always had my back when I needed it, and he never almost got Clem killed or killed any of the characters on accident, and it is debatable whether he killed an alive Larry, dead Larry, or undead Larry. So he's pretty clean to me. My favorite character besides Clem and Lee
During the killing Larry scene, they could've gave us a choice of knocking down Kenny while he's getting a salt lick. Pretty sure Lee could do that since he's buffer than Kenny, and we could've tried to save Larry. Although, Kenny only did what he did to protect them.
End of Chapter 4, the lazy bastard refuses to search for Clementine after siding with Kenny every freaking step of the way that was... not insane. I wish the option came up to shoot him in the face.
During the killing Larry scene, they could've gave us a choice of knocking down Kenny while he's getting a salt lick. Pretty sure Lee could do that since he's buffer than Kenny, and we could've tried to save Larry. Although, Kenny only did what he did to protect them.
I think it's meant to be a surprise. You've been with him for three months now and he hasn't done anything this bad yet, so Lee doesn't expect him to toss a salt-lick down while you're trying CPR. The camera angle showing Kenny looking at the salt licks was not from Lee's point of view, it was just aesthetics.
Bravo Tell Tale...if ever anyone desearves the coveted "Bad Ass" award, it is you guys. After countless playthroughs, pro-kenny, con-kenny, mute jackass, and uncountable variations and mixtures of those I have come to a single, undeniable conclusion...FUCK KENNY!!!
Bravo Tell Tale...if ever anyone desearves the coveted "Bad Ass" award, it is you guys. After countless playthroughs, pro-kenny, con-kenny, mute jackass, and uncountable variations and mixtures of those I have come to a single, undeniable conclusion...FUCK KENNY!!!
Well said! I couldn't agree more!:D
I only have one playthrough of the game but came to same conclusion as you about Kenny.
Gotta admit though, he was one of TellTale's greatest characters. Like him or not, he both created a huge amount of debate and split the fanbase. This thread is an example of that, being one of the biggest ones on the forum. While Lee and Clem are relatively
2D, Kenny adds a welcome shade of grey and realism to the characters.
(Although the evidence does show that he is awesome and only does what is needed)
Gotta admit though, he was one of TellTale's greatest characters. Like him or not, he both created a huge amount of debate and split the fanbase. This thread is an example of that, being one of the biggest ones on the forum. While Lee and Clem are relatively
2D, Kenny adds a welcome shade of grey and realism to the characters.
Kenny may have his own level of depth, but I don't think that being less divisive makes Lee and Clementine less dimensional. Everyone in the story faced grey morality in some form or another.
(Although the evidence does show that he is awesome and only does what is needed)
lol , my god I remember this thread from last year when the game launched- I guess that shows the power of good character creation that we're still at war over him even after he went MIA (most likely KIA)
It's probably the most annoying thing in the game,the fact that you either have to help him kill Larry or try to save Larry and have Kenny nag at you and run away for the rest of the game.
I wish they did not write it that if you dont kill Larry he hates you. I did everything, stick up for Duck, save him from the tractor and gave him food BUT apparently 'I was never there for Duck' and have been a 'sh*** friend'. There have been plenty of times I aint... Kennys a dick after Ep 2.
I must be the only one who liked that. Perhaps they should have worded it differently(less "you were never there" and more "you were never there when it mattered most"), but i think having a character who can so easily turn on you because of one decision spices up the story a little.
I know firsthand that there are people out there who will hold a grudge over one thing for years, and with Kenny i think it fits him to abandon you because of that, especially with the way he interprets it.
I think it would be best if he didn't forget about all the times you did side with him, but still held contempt for you because of the meat-locker. Kind of like how he reacts if you kill Larry but then go against him. At the end of episode 4 he'll say something like "i know you think we may have been on the same page lately, but...", and it would have been nice if it worked the same way with opposite sides.
Killing Larry should put you high on Kenny's friendship list, but you can still muck it up and lose his assistance. Likewise, trying to save Larry should drop you fairly low, but you can still be decent friends if you continue siding with him afterward. Neither would be able to reach the extremes of their side(Kenny's BFF/worst enemy), but there should be an in between.
Since I'm a Kenny Supporter I should probably leave before I accidentally start a huge argument that goes on for days. But before I go I want to say that even though I like Kenny's character I understand what your saying Kenny either loves you in a bro sought of way or down right hates you presenting him as unlike able. Since I killed Larry and backed up Kenny all the time I have never seen his hatred towards me so I don't know what it's like. But I do think that Kenny was wrong when he jumped to conclusions and dropped the salt lick on Larry's head when Lee could have saved him. Anyway I'm out of here before I'm ganged up on by Lilly supporters like hungry walkers or something. Joking. I won't be back to argue or anything because I don't want to start an argument so I'm not some douche bag who puts random stuff and rubbish accuses because I agree with you it's just that me and Kenny are bros.
This not my thread as I am bro's with Kenny also, but I will say he was judgmental and was not always the nicest person, but hay at least he did not murder a good friend, he just possibly murdered a asshole .
There is a conversation that you can have with Lilly near the gazebo that sheds some light on why Larry is a jerk and hear how their family is dealing with this ZA.
Larry's personality may be abrasive but what do you really know about him? What does he know about you other than what the media has told him? It's not like Lee was mistaken for a convicted murderer and treated unfairly. He is a convicted murderer. Getting punched in the face by a protective father could happen to a felon. Larry continuing to be suspicious of a felon despite Lee's best efforts to show he's a good guy also seems understandable.
Kenny, on the other hand, pretends to be Lee's friend so long as Lee is an obedient lap dog. Step out of line and Lee risks Kenny's "friendship", Lee's place in the RV, on the boat, and Lee will have to play "the family card" to compel Kenny to help rescue a 9 year old girl from a maniac. Some friend.
This.Thank you!
I wouldn't invite Larry to my birthday party.I admit it.He is an unpleasant person.
Kenny is an a**hole.
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I'm afraid you did not. You are destroyed.
(P.S: For those, who'd like to read a funny challenge which thestalkinghead thinks he defeated me (BUT hell no
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42426&page=2
yeah that thread where you agree that larry needed to be dealt with, but you didnt like the way kenny did it.
and then you said you would rather die that see your father have his head smashed in, implying that you would have killed lilly then larry
No surprise, you read whole story and all characters terribly wrong my friend.
You are hopeless.
As for Kenny "stealing" from the lone car, the key word is "lone". There was absolutely no reason to suspect that the owners of the car were even still alive, let alone coming back. There's a reason that the majority of players took the food. You did pay attention earlier in the episode, right? When the group was starving? When they had no food? The entire reason everyone went to the dairy was because they had no food left. Without the food in the car, the entire group would have starved to death. You can't say that taking it was wrong because "Campman came back". Kenny thought the car was abandoned. Katjaa thought the same thing. The way you say him stealing from the car is bad makes it seem like the group definately starving to death slowly is what everyone should have done, based on the suspicion that the owners might be alive, and might come back. Lilly even says at the start of Episode 2 that the group needs to find more food. Food presents itself, and what does she do? "Let's leave it here guys, the people who we don't even know are alive or coming back for it need it more than our large group with two children that is currently starving".
Why wouldn't Kenny want Ben dead? I find it hilarious that you describe Ben as innocent. Ben's actions directly led to Duck being bitten and Kat commiting suicide, as well as Doug/Carley getting shot. Let's not forget Ben abandoning Clem to the walkers, which also gets Chuck killed when he has to step in and gets left behind. There's also Brie, who was eaten by the walkers that Ben let into the school. That's about five deaths resulting directly from his own actions before the belltower sequence. Ben even says himself that it's all his fault when he talks to Lee in private at Crawford. Kat and Duck were the people Kenny cared about most, the people he nearly died for at the St. John dairy. Ben got them, plus Carley/Doug, all killed in the same day, which was barely 24 hours in the past by the time the Crawford raid takes place. If you saw a chance to see the killer of your wife and child die like they did, barely a day or two after it happened, why wouldn't you take it? The man even forgives Ben for everything in the end! Tell him that Ben wanted to die in Crawford during the attic conversation. He'll even say "I'm glad it was you making that choice, and not me." Less than a day after realizing Ben killed his entire family, he forgives him and says that he's glad Ben didn't die. He even gives his life trying to save Ben, and when he realizes that he can't, he elects to use the one bullet he has left to painlessly mercy kill the kid who was responsible for his family's death. Which, in turn, results in his own death being drawn out and painful.
well if kenny would do what would you make him do (bearing in mind that lilly isn't a saint) what would you have had him do?
Him leaving you to die twice right after that if you didn't help him kill Larry is ridiculous though.
Whoa there Rambo, cool your jets! Maybe you wouldn't mind having a salt lick dropped on your head when you're "close enough" to being dead but that's not okay with everyone.:D
My vote is for CPR because I hear that "sometimes" it works.:)
It does sometime work.
...when that person can be taken to the hospital after and be given proper treatment, which sometimes includes surgery.
Larry had a massive heart attack. He wasn't going to survive no matter what you did for him, because he was locked in a meat locker in a world in which there were no longer any hospitals.
Of course I wouldn't mind someone dropping a salt-lick on my head if I'm about to become a walker. I would never want to be a zombie OR kill and eat all of my friends and turn THEM into zombies too. If you wanna turn into a zombie, by all means. Just don't do it around me man, I prefer to survive the apocalypse
I can see your point if there is no possibility of meeting a doctor, with medical supplies, or equipment.... even in Savannah.
Don't be so dramatic Rock. No one is going to let you turn into a walker that's a promise!:D First, we try amputation.......
At least Ben did redeem himself. He managed to be cool and not make any real mistakes. Kenny was just a damn mule the whole time.
Amputation?! What if the bite is on my neck?! What will you amputate then? And why do I get the feeling that you'd get some form of joy from slowly hacking off a piece of my body...
It's because you can't jump, isn't it. I hope I don't get bitten on my leg.
Again with the jumping? We all made it to the boat right? well....except for Hanson...he sure flew far didn't he?
You worry too much...just don't get bit okay.:)
We should play soon, I miss it!
Throughout the game, Ben got around 4 different people killed, left Clem for dead and told Kenny what he did at the WORST POSSIBLE TIME. But it's okay because he managed not to fuck up in the final episode.
Meanwhile Kenny manages to find the will not to blow Bens brains out for wrecking his family and even manages to forgive the kid and mercy kills him. He doesn't do any more or less than Ben, but you still call him a "mule"
Or you could just...you know...SHOOT me...
I'm sorry, but no. That's really all that needs to be said here. No.
In the new dictionaries written after(or during) the zombie apocalypse, you will find Ben's picture next to the word "mistake".
He was a good dude, but he was also a bonehead.
Haha I agree, I liked the kid, but he was a fuckup. And Kenny always had my back when I needed it, and he never almost got Clem killed or killed any of the characters on accident, and it is debatable whether he killed an alive Larry, dead Larry, or undead Larry. So he's pretty clean to me. My favorite character besides Clem and Lee
"May be, he is not a hero would be a bit out again, lack of creativity by the group not think Telltale Games."
I think it's meant to be a surprise. You've been with him for three months now and he hasn't done anything this bad yet, so Lee doesn't expect him to toss a salt-lick down while you're trying CPR. The camera angle showing Kenny looking at the salt licks was not from Lee's point of view, it was just aesthetics.
Well said! I couldn't agree more!:D
I only have one playthrough of the game but came to same conclusion as you about Kenny.
Thanks for creating my favorite thread too!
2D, Kenny adds a welcome shade of grey and realism to the characters.
(Although the evidence does show that he is awesome and only does what is needed)
:P
Very debatable...
I know firsthand that there are people out there who will hold a grudge over one thing for years, and with Kenny i think it fits him to abandon you because of that, especially with the way he interprets it.
I think it would be best if he didn't forget about all the times you did side with him, but still held contempt for you because of the meat-locker. Kind of like how he reacts if you kill Larry but then go against him. At the end of episode 4 he'll say something like "i know you think we may have been on the same page lately, but...", and it would have been nice if it worked the same way with opposite sides.
Killing Larry should put you high on Kenny's friendship list, but you can still muck it up and lose his assistance. Likewise, trying to save Larry should drop you fairly low, but you can still be decent friends if you continue siding with him afterward. Neither would be able to reach the extremes of their side(Kenny's BFF/worst enemy), but there should be an in between.
That would be nice....here's hoping for Season 2!
My favourite thread too! Thanks
This.Thank you!
I wouldn't invite Larry to my birthday party.I admit it.He is an unpleasant person.
Kenny is an a**hole.