I say just accept that we will never experience it, but do what you can to practice equality anyway because future generations won't have it… more either if people give up now. Evolution doesn't happen fast, and I think the same is true for social evolution.
I know it's horrible examples. And I know that people change when they get married, I just don't ever want to find myself becoming akin to a slave for someone else. Man or woman.
When you generalize females, like I did, a far large percentage of them wouldn't be strong enough then if we generalized men by saying they all can go in. Because like you said, they all can't.
I'm just trying to get across that females are made up differently then males. Males are stronger. Not in every case, but in most cases again, a male will beat a female when it comes to strength and physical tests. Like with the Army Rangers examples that just happened.
That is generally something that males can be better at then women.
I think the idea of women not fighting in combat is a good one for now. Because WOMEN AREN'T AS STRONG IN GENERAL AS MEN.
And i want… moreed to touch on this subject. There is a large number of women that do have the physical aptitude to serve in the infantry. Men that cannot pass the rigors of physical wellness are also not allowed to be infantry, so saying women shouldn't be allowed because most women cannot do it is a bit absurd.
While I definitely don't agree with everything you've said, thanks for a kick in the ass. I guess we all need it sometimes to quit sitting a… moreround hating the world around us. Things won't change, but fuck the people who tell me what I should and shouldn't be because I'm a woman.
Now that's what I like to hear
Sadly, my examples of men have led me to believe they're all like that. Dominating, expectant of pleasing and being catered too, I guess I just want to know if maybe nature made men that way, or if they're are those who can see good women as equals and not as tools.
And it's funny you say that, because I am usually the person they're all asking for help on during notes and tests in school and university. -_- And I would love to agree with you on that God created us equally, but I can't help but feel we aren't equal because of how he designed males and females.
But to ever be a wife, do I have to sacrifice being myself, independent and decisive? Do I have to sacrifice myself in that way?
No,… more you don't have to sacrifice yourself to be someone's wife. If anyone suggests that you have to, you have every right to avoid that person. The right person will respect you enough to treat you like a human being of equal opportunity. If they don't... well... that's abusive behaviour and if they don't consider you an equal, they probably won't have a problem with treating you as even less than that.
I just have been really paying attention to the world around me these past few years, what guys say about women and how women act and how they see themselves
I am a Christian and I'm really have issues with what the Bible says about my role as a woman. I don't want to abandon my faith, but I don't want to be a weak and submissive housewife either
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I love it here. It's not so much TX, as it is the family I'm in. A very traditionalist, Christian and conservative family. I love them dearly, but some of the decisions they have made and some of the things they done I do not agree with despite them wanting me to. My mom wants me to have kids, I tell her I won't and then my dad tries to guilt trip me by saying I'm breaking my moms heart. What about what I want? Does that not matter? I want to be more moderate and live a childless life. I also don't want to submit to someone in a marriage, I want someone whom sees me equally.
And I had very touch and go moments with male figures in my life, but despite that, I've become the tomboy. lol But I understand how you feel. Despite masculinity or whatever, you're still a good young adult and you have a lot of potential.
Then I recommend getting out of Texas or wherever and seeing the more moderate parts of America.
I can understand that, I was raised by m… moreostly women (Don't ask) and I never had a father figure. My mom had a hard time getting me into the more physical and masculine parts of me.
I have a wife. We've been married 16 years.
We have no kids. I knew that going in. While I always thought before her that I would want… more some, I decided I loved her more than I needed to reproduce.
I am physically stronger than her, for sure. I handle all of the heavy things around here.
And yet, that doesn't mean I "dominate" her. In fact, I usually let her call the shots, as she has stronger opinions than I do about most things. We both know when something "needs" to get done and what we both need to do, and we both acknowledge what each other likes to do, and we just work out life as we go.
You said you had no examples, so I just wanted to provide one. That doesn't mean every guy is like me, and for sure, some will write you off if you never want to have kids. Not all, though.
I love it here. It's not so much TX, as it is the family I'm in. A very traditionalist, Christian and conservative family. I love them dearl… morey, but some of the decisions they have made and some of the things they done I do not agree with despite them wanting me to. My mom wants me to have kids, I tell her I won't and then my dad tries to guilt trip me by saying I'm breaking my moms heart. What about what I want? Does that not matter? I want to be more moderate and live a childless life. I also don't want to submit to someone in a marriage, I want someone whom sees me equally.
And I had very touch and go moments with male figures in my life, but despite that, I've become the tomboy. lol But I understand how you feel. Despite masculinity or whatever, you're still a good young adult and you have a lot of potential.
You live your life, as far as we know, you only get it once.
Thank you, and I feel as if you might be being too hard on yourself about the appearance thing.
I'll continue to believe there's another later, but I'll respect those who live there's thinking this is there only one.
No, I really am not pretty. I am not attractive, 23 years of singleness is the very proof of that.
When you generalize females, like I did, a far large percentage of them wouldn't be strong enough then if we generalized men by saying they … moreall can go in. Because like you said, they all can't.
I'm just trying to get across that females are made up differently then males. Males are stronger. Not in every case, but in most cases again, a male will beat a female when it comes to strength and physical tests. Like with the Army Rangers examples that just happened.
That is generally something that males can be better at then women.
I wouldn't be mad if their isn't. I know how big the universe is, and how crazy everything is. I'll just be glad I got to be a very small part of it all.
No. Really. How can you dispute 23 years of singleness and everyone rejecting you and not think and know you're ugly? And I know, because I'm one of those people. It's just people don't want to hurt my feelings, so of course they don't tell me I'm ugly when I already know that I am.
I'll continue to believe there's another later, but I'll respect those who live there's thinking this is there only one.
Yeah, that… more's why I added "as far as we know" because you can think there is a later one but we don't know for certain.
Come on, you can't be horrible, you're probably really pretty. People usually think less of themselves.
I wouldn't be mad if their isn't. I know how big the universe is, and how crazy everything is. I'll just be glad I got to be a very small pa… morert of it all.
No. Really. How can you dispute 23 years of singleness and everyone rejecting you and not think and know you're ugly? And I know, because I'm one of those people. It's just people don't want to hurt my feelings, so of course they don't tell me I'm ugly when I already know that I am.
LOL good tastes. Don't you think maybe that's why I've been single forever? Guys are finding much more beautiful and appealing ladies. It's a combo of being ugly, and being too weird.
How can you dispute 23 years of singleness and everyone rejecting you and not think and know you're ugly?
"Not everyone has to like me. Not everyone has good taste."
LOL good tastes. Don't you think maybe that's why I've been single forever? Guys are finding much more beautiful and appealing ladies. It's a combo of being ugly, and being too weird.
I don't think equality is possible on a societal level. There will always be groups that are afforded fewer freedoms and opportunities than their peers. That's just the nature of power and social order.
That said, equality is completely achievable in the context of a small community or family unit.
I completely agree. I think that it's a idea that sounds appealing, but people are just too different, people will always continue to hold far too many views of their superiority over others, because I think we all hold it to some degree.
Idk, even in small groups you still have a male v. female dynamic. Despite if everyone was of the same ethnicity. But it's more plausible that way.
Wow, this thread blew up fast.
I don't think equality is possible on a societal level. There will always be groups that are afforded few… moreer freedoms and opportunities than their peers. That's just the nature of power and social order.
That said, equality is completely achievable in the context of a small community or family unit.
I don't think equality can exist in our world... sadly. As a woman I do have the desire to be equal to men, but I don't believe it will ever happen completely.
Sex, race, wealth... we'll never be equal. There'll be always the ones who step on others, repress others.
But don't forget the praying mantis bites off the male's head. x)
I don't know your age, but the fact that you don't want kids right now can change with time. ( I always said I don't want any kids, but lately I realized that I do want a child sometime in the future)
And also a woman can be strong, sometimes even stronger than any man!
The car is on fire, and there's no driver at the wheel. We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine and the machine is bleeding to death. Tl;dr not in the foreseeable future, civilization may fall faster and lower then rates of unpunished men-on-women violence.
Don't let life pass you by and when you're older you look back on life and feel like you have missed something, If you want to find the answers you are going to have to go through personal experiences. I feel like overthinking things is the story of your life here. Good luck.
At this point I'm not sure if you're joking or you legit don't like women.
Or maybe I've been such a horrible example of the female sex you are going to make assumptions on behalf of every woman. In which case I ask you to please refrain from judging every woman based off of the horrible example I am. It's not fair to all the funny and intelligent ladies who are actually worth a damn.
I just hope people don't get feminists and feminazis mixed up there not all after our heads on a fork, some are feminists for the right reasons imo they should not all get hated on because of nazis
Or how about the last thing I want is for someone to judge my gender based off of one bad example, especially if I'm that example. I've seen what having you're whole basis for the male sex based off of one misogynistic asshole can do. I also really don't like myself and understand why others wouldn't either.
I just hope people don't get feminists and feminazis mixed up there not all after our heads on a fork, some are feminists for the right reasons imo they should not all get hated on because of nazis
At this point I'm not sure if you're joking or you legit don't like women.
Or maybe I've been such a horrible example of the female sex y… moreou are going to make assumptions on behalf of every woman. In which case I ask you to please refrain from judging every woman based off of the horrible example I am. It's not fair to all the funny and intelligent ladies who are actually worth a damn.
I've always hated myself. It's been a vicious cycle since birth, of how I was raised and the enviroment I was raised in. So yeah, I have very little to no feeling of self worth, I don't think that will ever change because I feel I inherently know it to be true.
Plus im having a horrible day at school. And feel hated on both the Internet and in real life.
Do you always shit on yourself like this? From what I've seen you're an intelligent, compassionate person with very low self worth.
Slander is unseemly, how much more so when you slander yourself?
Viva is just joking for responses only a harmless joke just for a little fun
I also really don't like myself and understand why others wouldn't either.
Our thoughts manifest into reality by having such a low opinion of yourself makes it fact no matter how ridiculous it is what you believe comes true
How can you expect anyone to love you when you don't?
Your an incredible person I think your just going through a hard time right now learn to love yourself and appreciate all your talents then I promise all your wishes and ambitions will come through and you will be happy
Or how about the last thing I want is for someone to judge my gender based off of one bad example, especially if I'm that example. I've seen… more what having you're whole basis for the male sex based off of one misogynistic asshole can do. I also really don't like myself and understand why others wouldn't either.
Ugh, the last two. The Ellen Page one is stupid, feminism is given a bad name from several radical examples put out, not because of some all seeing patriarchy.
The Emma Watson one just bugs me, I don't know why, I feel like it's the wording.
I just hope people don't get feminists and feminazis mixed up there not all after our heads on a fork, some are feminists for the right reasons imo they should not all get hated on because of nazis
I think Ellen page is trying to convey that since patriarchal society is the norm or was or maybe even still is, it means that perhaps there are just people who are simply threatened by women and men being held to the same regard.
And Emma's quote I couldn't agree more with. When a group fights for equal rights that doesn't mean we want to eradicate or bring down the people who have what we want to attain. If we wanted eradication or separation that'd be more akin to rebellion or revolution.
Ugh, the last two. The Ellen Page one is stupid, feminism is given a bad name from several radical examples put out, not because of some all seeing patriarchy.
The Emma Watson one just bugs me, I don't know why, I feel like it's the wording.
Ugh, the last two. The Ellen Page one is stupid, feminism is given a bad name from several radical examples put out, not because of some all seeing patriarchy.
The Emma Watson one just bugs me, I don't know why, I feel like it's the wording.
is equality possible? yes. will there ever be equality? more than likely no. why? because we are humans. we are faulty beings, we are goddamn stupid even though we are the "superior" race.
now to what you wrote. in the top part you wrote how you told someone if they are not worried about catching an STD. and to that i say you were right, because what they are doing is fucking retarded, but fuck them that's their life let them get some STDs. now as im writing this im just replying to what i remember, but you dont think that someone should have that many sexual partners? i get that they have those partners without protection and thats the real issue, but its having multiple partners a problem for you? because it shouldnt matter if someone has 100 or 200, who cares, thats their decision. but the thing is they should be protected, using a condom is a MUST. too much dumbasses having kids. we dont need more dumbasses being born into this world. and not only that, we dont need their filthy dicks and vaginas going around passing these diseases.
now for the rest. I know what the feminism movement really is about, is about equality. but like everything it gets stereotyped, because of some dumbasses. there is those "femi-nazis" out there, and some that think theyre right but really have no fucking clue on whatever. how do i know about the feminist movement? well when i was a school, there was a presentation by a fellow student and she explained it and the movement or whatever it should be called made sense. its about equality. but there is the few that are like extremist and do hate men for whatever fucking reason, and some that say stupid shit, so people get mad just hearing about it. if you want kinds, fine dont have them. its your decision.
women can do what man can just the same. honestly i think its stupid to think otherwise.
We can look at nature, where males have been and continue to be the dominant, stronger species. Females are only really present to propagate… more the species. And while yes, that is important, the fact remains that males are the superior sex.
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Ellen is saying that you know the "Patriarchy" is still there because Feminism is seen as toxic. She ignores the fact that several people think this because of the Feminazis running around doing stupid shit like going to the UN to complain about rude people on the Internet or creating #KillAllMen (Hopefully that comes through as a hashtag).
Emma is right, or she is partially right. Groups fight for a goal, equal rights for example. Once that group achieves major ground in what they wanted or hell, sometimes they aren't even given that...The group starts to get toxic; In fighting, radicals, bad publicity. The group officially suffers from the same thing every group eventually suffers from. Black Lives matter for instance is a great example. No matter what the original definition was for feminism, it's been so twisted now and days that some parts of feminism are fighting for supremacy, which again stops the good and true feminists from doing the actual important things.
I think Ellen page is trying to convey that since patriarchal society is the norm or was or maybe even still is, it means that perhaps there… more are just people who are simply threatened by women and men being held to the same regard.
And Emma's quote I couldn't agree more with. When a group fights for equal rights that doesn't mean we want to eradicate or bring down the people who have what we want to attain. If we wanted eradication or separation that'd be more akin to rebellion or revolution.
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Very true.
Then don't. That's your choice. Marriage doesn't equal slavery.
When you generalize females, like I did, a far large percentage of them wouldn't be strong enough then if we generalized men by saying they all can go in. Because like you said, they all can't.
I'm just trying to get across that females are made up differently then males. Males are stronger. Not in every case, but in most cases again, a male will beat a female when it comes to strength and physical tests. Like with the Army Rangers examples that just happened.
That is generally something that males can be better at then women.
But you helped me prove something. I am inferior because my emotions are all jacked up. So I should thank you for that too.
Sadly, my examples of men have led me to believe they're all like that. Dominating, expectant of pleasing and being catered too, I guess I just want to know if maybe nature made men that way, or if they're are those who can see good women as equals and not as tools.
And it's funny you say that, because I am usually the person they're all asking for help on during notes and tests in school and university. -_- And I would love to agree with you on that God created us equally, but I can't help but feel we aren't equal because of how he designed males and females.
I love it here. It's not so much TX, as it is the family I'm in. A very traditionalist, Christian and conservative family. I love them dearly, but some of the decisions they have made and some of the things they done I do not agree with despite them wanting me to. My mom wants me to have kids, I tell her I won't and then my dad tries to guilt trip me by saying I'm breaking my moms heart. What about what I want? Does that not matter? I want to be more moderate and live a childless life. I also don't want to submit to someone in a marriage, I want someone whom sees me equally.
And I had very touch and go moments with male figures in my life, but despite that, I've become the tomboy. lol But I understand how you feel. Despite masculinity or whatever, you're still a good young adult and you have a lot of potential.
I'm glad you've been able to live a happy life with a woman you love. I hope you too will be happy for the rest of your lives and more.
Thanks for all that. It's nice to know that marriages like your do in fact exist.
And I know they will. But, I just hope someone will be out there.
You live your life, as far as we know, you only get it once.
Thank you, and I feel as if you might be being too hard on yourself about the appearance thing.
I'll continue to believe there's another later, but I'll respect those who live there's thinking this is there only one.
No, I really am not pretty. I am not attractive, 23 years of singleness is the very proof of that.
No. Being emotional doesn't make you inferior. Learning to control emotions will likely make you happier, though.
Yeah, that's why I added "as far as we know" because you can think there is a later one but we don't know for certain.
Come on, you can't be horrible, you're probably really pretty. People usually think less of themselves.
I agree. That doesn't mean women shouldn't be able to go infantry, and it doesn't mean they should be exempt from selective service for having a womb.
I wouldn't be mad if their isn't. I know how big the universe is, and how crazy everything is. I'll just be glad I got to be a very small part of it all.
No. Really. How can you dispute 23 years of singleness and everyone rejecting you and not think and know you're ugly? And I know, because I'm one of those people. It's just people don't want to hurt my feelings, so of course they don't tell me I'm ugly when I already know that I am.
"Not everyone has to like me. Not everyone has good taste."
LOL good tastes. Don't you think maybe that's why I've been single forever? Guys are finding much more beautiful and appealing ladies. It's a combo of being ugly, and being too weird.
Weird is good,weird is fun.
Wow, this thread blew up fast.
I don't think equality is possible on a societal level. There will always be groups that are afforded fewer freedoms and opportunities than their peers. That's just the nature of power and social order.
That said, equality is completely achievable in the context of a small community or family unit.
I completely agree. I think that it's a idea that sounds appealing, but people are just too different, people will always continue to hold far too many views of their superiority over others, because I think we all hold it to some degree.
Idk, even in small groups you still have a male v. female dynamic. Despite if everyone was of the same ethnicity. But it's more plausible that way.
I don't think equality can exist in our world... sadly. As a woman I do have the desire to be equal to men, but I don't believe it will ever happen completely.
Sex, race, wealth... we'll never be equal. There'll be always the ones who step on others, repress others.
But don't forget the praying mantis bites off the male's head. x)
I don't know your age, but the fact that you don't want kids right now can change with time. ( I always said I don't want any kids, but lately I realized that I do want a child sometime in the future)
And also a woman can be strong, sometimes even stronger than any man!
The car is on fire, and there's no driver at the wheel. We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine and the machine is bleeding to death. Tl;dr not in the foreseeable future, civilization may fall faster and lower then rates of unpunished men-on-women violence.
Don't let life pass you by and when you're older you look back on life and feel like you have missed something, If you want to find the answers you are going to have to go through personal experiences. I feel like overthinking things is the story of your life here. Good luck.
Oh, and women are generally not funny. . .
At this point I'm not sure if you're joking or you legit don't like women.
Or maybe I've been such a horrible example of the female sex you are going to make assumptions on behalf of every woman. In which case I ask you to please refrain from judging every woman based off of the horrible example I am. It's not fair to all the funny and intelligent ladies who are actually worth a damn.
I just hope people don't get feminists and feminazis mixed up there not all after our heads on a fork, some are feminists for the right reasons imo they should not all get hated on because of nazis
Or how about the last thing I want is for someone to judge my gender based off of one bad example, especially if I'm that example. I've seen what having you're whole basis for the male sex based off of one misogynistic asshole can do. I also really don't like myself and understand why others wouldn't either.
This is exactly right.
Do you always shit on yourself like this? From what I've seen you're an intelligent, compassionate person with very low self worth.
Slander is unseemly, how much more so when you slander yourself?
I've always hated myself. It's been a vicious cycle since birth, of how I was raised and the enviroment I was raised in. So yeah, I have very little to no feeling of self worth, I don't think that will ever change because I feel I inherently know it to be true.
Plus im having a horrible day at school. And feel hated on both the Internet and in real life.
Viva is just joking for responses only a harmless joke just for a little fun
Our thoughts manifest into reality by having such a low opinion of yourself makes it fact no matter how ridiculous it is what you believe comes true
How can you expect anyone to love you when you don't?
Your an incredible person I think your just going through a hard time right now learn to love yourself and appreciate all your talents then I promise all your wishes and ambitions will come through and you will be happy
Ugh, the last two. The Ellen Page one is stupid, feminism is given a bad name from several radical examples put out, not because of some all seeing patriarchy.
The Emma Watson one just bugs me, I don't know why, I feel like it's the wording.
I think Ellen page is trying to convey that since patriarchal society is the norm or was or maybe even still is, it means that perhaps there are just people who are simply threatened by women and men being held to the same regard.
And Emma's quote I couldn't agree more with. When a group fights for equal rights that doesn't mean we want to eradicate or bring down the people who have what we want to attain. If we wanted eradication or separation that'd be more akin to rebellion or revolution.
Ellen one was just mostly to rustle the jimmies tbh
But the Emma and first one I agree with :P
is equality possible? yes. will there ever be equality? more than likely no. why? because we are humans. we are faulty beings, we are goddamn stupid even though we are the "superior" race.
now to what you wrote. in the top part you wrote how you told someone if they are not worried about catching an STD. and to that i say you were right, because what they are doing is fucking retarded, but fuck them that's their life let them get some STDs. now as im writing this im just replying to what i remember, but you dont think that someone should have that many sexual partners? i get that they have those partners without protection and thats the real issue, but its having multiple partners a problem for you? because it shouldnt matter if someone has 100 or 200, who cares, thats their decision. but the thing is they should be protected, using a condom is a MUST. too much dumbasses having kids. we dont need more dumbasses being born into this world. and not only that, we dont need their filthy dicks and vaginas going around passing these diseases.
now for the rest. I know what the feminism movement really is about, is about equality. but like everything it gets stereotyped, because of some dumbasses. there is those "femi-nazis" out there, and some that think theyre right but really have no fucking clue on whatever. how do i know about the feminist movement? well when i was a school, there was a presentation by a fellow student and she explained it and the movement or whatever it should be called made sense. its about equality. but there is the few that are like extremist and do hate men for whatever fucking reason, and some that say stupid shit, so people get mad just hearing about it. if you want kinds, fine dont have them. its your decision.
women can do what man can just the same. honestly i think its stupid to think otherwise.
i know that sucks. those poor spiders just wanted to get their freak on
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Ellen is saying that you know the "Patriarchy" is still there because Feminism is seen as toxic. She ignores the fact that several people think this because of the Feminazis running around doing stupid shit like going to the UN to complain about rude people on the Internet or creating #KillAllMen (Hopefully that comes through as a hashtag).
Emma is right, or she is partially right. Groups fight for a goal, equal rights for example. Once that group achieves major ground in what they wanted or hell, sometimes they aren't even given that...The group starts to get toxic; In fighting, radicals, bad publicity. The group officially suffers from the same thing every group eventually suffers from. Black Lives matter for instance is a great example. No matter what the original definition was for feminism, it's been so twisted now and days that some parts of feminism are fighting for supremacy, which again stops the good and true feminists from doing the actual important things.
That joker picture hurts my eyes.
I'm ok with this
I bet you are.
You would win that bet