Uh yeah Ben was responsible for the group getting attacked, and his son dying.
Actually the food Ben was giving them was to get the bandits off their backs (and seeing if he could rescue his friend), which worked until one of their deliveries went missing after Lee took it. If they had attacked before then the RV wouldn't have worked (since Kenny was still working on it) and they'd have died earlier.
You list the bad things he did to Ben... Uh yeah Ben was responsible for the group getting attacked, and his son dying. Shocker that he wa… morents bad things to happen to him. Yeah him saying sorry should have made it all better... Beating on Arvo? The little crap stain showed up with guns over drugs.... He deserved a beat down. Murders Jane? Who pulled the knife huh? Yeah she did.
I hate it when people act like Ben caused Carley, Duck and Katjaa's death and Lilly's disappearance. The whole point of that plot was that Ben gave them supplies so that they could have what they needed and didn't attack! Plus, I'm really sorry to say this cause I Katjaa was one of my favorites, but if she wasn't able to handle Duck's death and opted out, that's no one's fault expect herself. It was on her character to commit suicide.
Uh yeah Ben was responsible for the group getting attacked, and his son dying.
Actually the food Ben was giving them was to get the … morebandits off their backs (and seeing if he could rescue his friend), which worked until one of their deliveries went missing after Lee took it. If they had attacked before then the RV wouldn't have worked (since Kenny was still working on it) and they'd have died earlier.
Kenny did everything he did for a reason too. If lee gets an excuse then so does Kenny. I meant let the girl in the street get eaten so you have more time to get supplies btw. And also not cutting the guy free from the bear trap is another. I'm just saying for people to give Kenny shit for the stuff he is capable of doing then we need to give lee a whole lot shit for the stuff he can do too.
He had reasons for all of those (although I dont know who the girl in the street is). He's not committing calculated murders for pleasure.
Eta: nevermind, I know who you mean. That was a mercy killing, not serial killing.
Duck getting bitten was completely unrealistic. If you watch in Episode 3, the walker that bit him was just far away from them but in the next shot, it just teleported OUT OF NOWHERE. Just for the sake of the plot.
I hate it when people act like Ben caused Carley, Duck and Katjaa's death and Lilly's disappearance. The whole point of that plot was that B… moreen gave them supplies so that they could have what they needed and didn't attack! Plus, I'm really sorry to say this cause I Katjaa was one of my favorites, but if she wasn't able to handle Duck's death and opted out, that's no one's fault expect herself. It was on her character to commit suicide.
Of course it was for the plot, kennys family dying was a massive moment for the season with the effects felt for several episodes. And impacting Kenny for the rest of his role.
That aspect of the story was probably one of if not the best moment in the story
Duck getting bitten was completely unrealistic. If you watch in Episode 3, the walker that bit him was just far away from them but in the next shot, it just teleported OUT OF NOWHERE. Just for the sake of the plot.
Tell me, do you hate Mike and Bonnie just as much for not even trying to help Sarah? Or hell, even Luke?
Well, of course, not just Jane. Luke was such an idiot and Mike and Bonnie forgot they still had bullets.
Ben did not warn the group of a huge potential danger. He acted on his own without consulting anyone there. His heart was in the right place but his recklessness, and arrogance led to the disaster.
I hate it when people act like Ben caused Carley, Duck and Katjaa's death and Lilly's disappearance. The whole point of that plot was that B… moreen gave them supplies so that they could have what they needed and didn't attack! Plus, I'm really sorry to say this cause I Katjaa was one of my favorites, but if she wasn't able to handle Duck's death and opted out, that's no one's fault expect herself. It was on her character to commit suicide.
Ben did not warn the group of a huge potential danger. He acted on his own without consulting anyone there. His heart was in the right place but his recklessness, and arrogance led to the disaster.
A lot of what you posted is determinant. Anyway, this is just asking for an argument making a thread like this. To the OP, please just learn to accept that not everyone is going to agree with you no matter what you post trying to prove otherwise. I am so sick of anything Kenny/Jane related or negative posts in general about anything. I can honestly see why so many Kenny fans left the board.
I admit that he should've talked to the group before doing it, but consider that he took a risk when confronting the bandits who raided his camp and forced him to watch rape, only to keep safe this group of people he met a week ago.
his recklessness, and arrogance led to the disaster.
No it didn't. Lee snooping around and taking back the supplies led to the disaster, partially because of Lilly. Though Lilly was right to start investigating, as it were her meds that disappeared.
We really need to understand everyone's positions whenever having a discussion like this one. There's no right and wrong.
Ben did not warn the group of a huge potential danger. He acted on his own without consulting anyone there. His heart was in the right place but his recklessness, and arrogance led to the disaster.
Ben did not warn the group of a huge potential danger. He acted on his own without consulting anyone there. His heart was in the right place but his recklessness, and arrogance led to the disaster.
I swear I remember Ben saying that the bandits never actually had his friend. What I don't get is why he didn't just tell the higher ups in the group like Lee, Kenny or Lilly what the situation was.
Uh yeah Ben was responsible for the group getting attacked, and his son dying.
Actually the food Ben was giving them was to get the … morebandits off their backs (and seeing if he could rescue his friend), which worked until one of their deliveries went missing after Lee took it. If they had attacked before then the RV wouldn't have worked (since Kenny was still working on it) and they'd have died earlier.
I swear I remember Ben saying that the bandits never actually had his friend. What I don't get is why he didn't just tell the higher ups in the group like Lee, Kenny or Lilly what the situation was.
If Lee was anything like Kenny, then yeah, Id be saying something about it. But he doesnt get angry often, only when pushed. Anger seems to be Kenny's default setting, at least thats the way it appeared to me in season two.
Kenny did everything he did for a reason too. If lee gets an excuse then so does Kenny. I meant let the girl in the street get eaten so you … morehave more time to get supplies btw. And also not cutting the guy free from the bear trap is another. I'm just saying for people to give Kenny shit for the stuff he is capable of doing then we need to give lee a whole lot shit for the stuff he can do too.
Ben did not warn the group of a huge potential danger. He acted on his own without consulting anyone there. His heart was in the right place but his recklessness, and arrogance led to the disaster.
Well I can't. If Ben had told them, they could have figured out a plan to defeat the bandits easier, or simply got in Kenny's RV and hauled ass. I know there are people out there that were probably angrier at Kenny being angry at Ben rather than being angry at Ben for his part in getting Kenny's son killed which is ridiculous to me.
And even Kenny's harshest critic can't deny that he was right on this one. The Motel wasn't safe, was crawling with walkers and bandits and the sooner they got out of there the better.
Are you both forgetting that Kenny's stubborn ways and inability to agree with other people's preferences, opinions, and choices, started basically the entire thing including the car argument? I mean, he acts like a complete asshole when Jane gives in to go to Wellington, which prompts her to retaliate. Sure, she went to an extreme measure to show Clementine that Kenny was unstable (which was quite obviously nonetheless), which hiding the baby in the car wasn't justifiable, but definitely understandable.
I think this is the first time I've heard someone call Ben arrogant.
Which I disagree with, he was more misguided. He was young, you know? He thought what he was doing was right, he most likely didn't tell anyone because he didn't want to scare them.
Ben did not warn the group of a huge potential danger. He acted on his own without consulting anyone there. His heart was in the right place but his recklessness, and arrogance led to the disaster.
Im not saying he was right. Clearly he should have told the whole group what was going on. But from his point of view, being afraid of being kicked out, and Lily and Kenny always arguing amd becoming unhinged, I can understand why he felt afraid to speak up. He made a decision on his own that got out of hand and he couldnt face the consequences until it was too late. He didnt get Duck killed, the situation did.
Yes, Kenny was right about the motel being safe but what place is? What they needed was a plan to either fortify the place or scout out someplace better, not just flee.
Well I can't. If Ben had told them, they could have figured out a plan to defeat the bandits easier, or simply got in Kenny's RV and hauled … moreass. I know there are people out there that were probably angrier at Kenny being angry at Ben rather than being angry at Ben for his part in getting Kenny's son killed which is ridiculous to me.
And even Kenny's harshest critic can't deny that he was right on this one. The Motel wasn't safe, was crawling with walkers and bandits and the sooner they got out of there the better.
That's true to an extent, and yet for some reason Kenny is the one always described as being the only character whose "heart is in the right place, even though he fucks up a whole lot." For a lot of narrow-minded people that one statement makes Kenny completely blameless, but to those same people, all the other characters you've listed are still much more blameworthy than Kenny ever was.
His heart was in the right place but his recklessness, and arrogance led to the disaster
Yes.. Kenny, Jane, Bonny, Nick, Larry, Lilly... I could name more but don't need to
That's true to an extent, and yet for some reason Kenny is the one always described as being the only character whose "heart is in the right… more place, even though he fucks up a whole lot." For a lot of narrow-minded people that one statement makes Kenny completely blameless, but to those same people, all the other characters you've listed are still much more blameworthy than Kenny ever was.
It's especially ironic when people say, "Give Kenny a break! His family died!" And yet when Kenny's responsible for someone else's family dying, they don't give a flying feather.
People should keep in mind that at this point, if you haven't seen somebody's family, they are dead. Lee, Carley, Doug, Ben, Mark, Chuck, Christa and Omid, Molly, Vernon, Luke, Sarita, Walter, Matthew, Carver and Tavia all have lost their families, but we don't feel sorry for them at all.
It's especially ironic when people say, "Give Kenny a break! His family died!" And yet when Kenny's responsible for someone else's family dying, they don't give a flying feather.
Keep in mind most of these are determinant. But however, I do agree with the fact that Kenny is problematic -but it's the zombie apocalypse so you are going to lose humanity- and it's okay for people to enjoy his character it, but it does get annoying when they try and erase all of the shitty non determinant things he's done.
But let’s be fair, you can never win with a [insert problematic character] apologist. Take above as an example.
I think this is the first time I've heard someone call Ben arrogant.
Which I disagree with, he was more misguided. He was young, you know… more? He thought what he was doing was right, he most likely didn't tell anyone because he didn't want to scare them.
I admit that he should've talked to the group before doing it, but consider that he took a risk when confronting the bandits who raided his … morecamp and forced him to watch rape, only to keep safe this group of people he met a week ago.
his recklessness, and arrogance led to the disaster.
No it didn't. Lee snooping around and taking back the supplies led to the disaster, partially because of Lilly. Though Lilly was right to start investigating, as it were her meds that disappeared.
We really need to understand everyone's positions whenever having a discussion like this one. There's no right and wrong.
Kenny is a tortured spirit but a kind soul. He is very loyal but very combustible though he would never hurt Clem/AJ and would do anything for them. Love him or hate him I think he is one of the best if not the best character of the entire series because he creates such a positive or negative impact on players enough for there to be countless discussions about him and people hell bent on trying to get people to hate him.
people hell bent on trying to get people to hate him.
Personally that's not my reason for posting things. Most of the time I'm trying to show that people who love Kenny are being hypocritical in their arguments, saying "Poor Kenny, he's a tortured spirit" etc. when everyone in TWDG is a tortured spirit. Why does that make him special?
Kenny is a tortured spirit but a kind soul. He is very loyal but very combustible though he would never hurt Clem/AJ and would do anything f… moreor them. Love him or hate him I think he is one of the best if not the best character of the entire series because he creates such a positive or negative impact on players enough for there to be countless discussions about him and people hell bent on trying to get people to hate him.
How am I being hypocritical? He is a tortured spirit just like everyone else but we actually got to see everything with Kenny first hand. He obviously is special considering there are so many of these threads about Kenny. If he isn't special then why is he constantly being talked about? It's because he is special and has had such an impact on the series like it or not.
people hell bent on trying to get people to hate him.
Personally that's not my reason for posting things. Most of the time I'm tryin… moreg to show that people who love Kenny are being hypocritical in their arguments, saying "Poor Kenny, he's a tortured spirit" etc. when everyone in TWDG is a tortured spirit. Why does that make him special?
people hell bent on trying to get people to hate him.
Personally that's not my reason for posting things. Most of the time I'm tryin… moreg to show that people who love Kenny are being hypocritical in their arguments, saying "Poor Kenny, he's a tortured spirit" etc. when everyone in TWDG is a tortured spirit. Why does that make him special?
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Actually the food Ben was giving them was to get the bandits off their backs (and seeing if he could rescue his friend), which worked until one of their deliveries went missing after Lee took it. If they had attacked before then the RV wouldn't have worked (since Kenny was still working on it) and they'd have died earlier.
OMG DUCK THAT'S YOUR DAD!!
I hate it when people act like Ben caused Carley, Duck and Katjaa's death and Lilly's disappearance. The whole point of that plot was that Ben gave them supplies so that they could have what they needed and didn't attack! Plus, I'm really sorry to say this cause I Katjaa was one of my favorites, but if she wasn't able to handle Duck's death and opted out, that's no one's fault expect herself. It was on her character to commit suicide.
I was secretly hoping Carver turned out to be a nickname for Kenny.
Oh it was Kenny who pretended AJ was dead and not Jane?
Kenny did everything he did for a reason too. If lee gets an excuse then so does Kenny. I meant let the girl in the street get eaten so you have more time to get supplies btw. And also not cutting the guy free from the bear trap is another. I'm just saying for people to give Kenny shit for the stuff he is capable of doing then we need to give lee a whole lot shit for the stuff he can do too.
I predict it will be a thread on how Kenny could survive his death and somehow meets up with Lee who also survived being dead look for Clementine.
Duck getting bitten was completely unrealistic. If you watch in Episode 3, the walker that bit him was just far away from them but in the next shot, it just teleported OUT OF NOWHERE. Just for the sake of the plot.
Of course it was for the plot, kennys family dying was a massive moment for the season with the effects felt for several episodes. And impacting Kenny for the rest of his role.
That aspect of the story was probably one of if not the best moment in the story
Fair enough.
Ben did not warn the group of a huge potential danger. He acted on his own without consulting anyone there. His heart was in the right place but his recklessness, and arrogance led to the disaster.
Hahaha sound like anyone you knowwwww?
Kenny initiated but Jane instigated.
A lot of what you posted is determinant. Anyway, this is just asking for an argument making a thread like this. To the OP, please just learn to accept that not everyone is going to agree with you no matter what you post trying to prove otherwise. I am so sick of anything Kenny/Jane related or negative posts in general about anything. I can honestly see why so many Kenny fans left the board.
A little familiar, haha.
I admit that he should've talked to the group before doing it, but consider that he took a risk when confronting the bandits who raided his camp and forced him to watch rape, only to keep safe this group of people he met a week ago.
No it didn't. Lee snooping around and taking back the supplies led to the disaster, partially because of Lilly. Though Lilly was right to start investigating, as it were her meds that disappeared.
We really need to understand everyone's positions whenever having a discussion like this one. There's no right and wrong.
The last thing I would describe Ben as is arrogant.
I swear I remember Ben saying that the bandits never actually had his friend. What I don't get is why he didn't just tell the higher ups in the group like Lee, Kenny or Lilly what the situation was.
I think he was probably afraid to, and given how Lily was acting, I can understand it.
If Lee was anything like Kenny, then yeah, Id be saying something about it. But he doesnt get angry often, only when pushed. Anger seems to be Kenny's default setting, at least thats the way it appeared to me in season two.
Yes.. Kenny, Jane, Bonny, Nick, Larry, Lilly... I could name more but don't need to
Personally, arrogant is not a word I would use to describe Ben.
Well I can't. If Ben had told them, they could have figured out a plan to defeat the bandits easier, or simply got in Kenny's RV and hauled ass. I know there are people out there that were probably angrier at Kenny being angry at Ben rather than being angry at Ben for his part in getting Kenny's son killed which is ridiculous to me.
And even Kenny's harshest critic can't deny that he was right on this one. The Motel wasn't safe, was crawling with walkers and bandits and the sooner they got out of there the better.
We have, you just have to ignore any Threads that mention Jane or Kenny in them
@Anthorn @Kenny1005
Are you both forgetting that Kenny's stubborn ways and inability to agree with other people's preferences, opinions, and choices, started basically the entire thing including the car argument? I mean, he acts like a complete asshole when Jane gives in to go to Wellington, which prompts her to retaliate. Sure, she went to an extreme measure to show Clementine that Kenny was unstable (which was quite obviously nonetheless), which hiding the baby in the car wasn't justifiable, but definitely understandable.
I think this is the first time I've heard someone call Ben arrogant.
Which I disagree with, he was more misguided. He was young, you know? He thought what he was doing was right, he most likely didn't tell anyone because he didn't want to scare them.
Im not saying he was right. Clearly he should have told the whole group what was going on. But from his point of view, being afraid of being kicked out, and Lily and Kenny always arguing amd becoming unhinged, I can understand why he felt afraid to speak up. He made a decision on his own that got out of hand and he couldnt face the consequences until it was too late. He didnt get Duck killed, the situation did.
Yes, Kenny was right about the motel being safe but what place is? What they needed was a plan to either fortify the place or scout out someplace better, not just flee.
true
That's true to an extent, and yet for some reason Kenny is the one always described as being the only character whose "heart is in the right place, even though he fucks up a whole lot." For a lot of narrow-minded people that one statement makes Kenny completely blameless, but to those same people, all the other characters you've listed are still much more blameworthy than Kenny ever was.
I said before, Kenny gets away with things everyone else gets blasted for because he lost his family.
It's especially ironic when people say, "Give Kenny a break! His family died!" And yet when Kenny's responsible for someone else's family dying, they don't give a flying feather.
People should keep in mind that at this point, if you haven't seen somebody's family, they are dead. Lee, Carley, Doug, Ben, Mark, Chuck, Christa and Omid, Molly, Vernon, Luke, Sarita, Walter, Matthew, Carver and Tavia all have lost their families, but we don't feel sorry for them at all.
Keep in mind most of these are determinant. But however, I do agree with the fact that Kenny is problematic -but it's the zombie apocalypse so you are going to lose humanity- and it's okay for people to enjoy his character it, but it does get annoying when they try and erase all of the shitty non determinant things he's done.
But let’s be fair, you can never win with a [insert problematic character] apologist. Take above as an example.
@KCohere @Deltino @InfinteDawn Completely agreed. How is Ben arrogant? I pictured him as having very low self-esteem and self-confidence.
You could argue that what happened at the St. John's created the situation (the siege) at the motel.
Kenny is a tortured spirit but a kind soul. He is very loyal but very combustible though he would never hurt Clem/AJ and would do anything for them. Love him or hate him I think he is one of the best if not the best character of the entire series because he creates such a positive or negative impact on players enough for there to be countless discussions about him and people hell bent on trying to get people to hate him.
Personally that's not my reason for posting things. Most of the time I'm trying to show that people who love Kenny are being hypocritical in their arguments, saying "Poor Kenny, he's a tortured spirit" etc. when everyone in TWDG is a tortured spirit. Why does that make him special?
How am I being hypocritical? He is a tortured spirit just like everyone else but we actually got to see everything with Kenny first hand. He obviously is special considering there are so many of these threads about Kenny. If he isn't special then why is he constantly being talked about? It's because he is special and has had such an impact on the series like it or not.
So are people who like Kenny hypocrites in general then yeah?