This film wasn't that grand and new, not when compared with expanded universe stories or even the prequels. They're still a rebellion fighting an Empire(changing the names to try and hide it) Why couldn't we have the Republic at war with a new threat or villain? We have to contrive Republic getting killed off screen so we can get to the same place we were at the original trilogy, that's ignoring the fact they're riffing on scenes from the old films, the only real new things are the polarizing choices.
I came back from the theaters after watching this film and I can't help but say that I loved this movie so much. Better than The Force Awakens IMO but dunno if I like it more than Rogue One. I thought I was going to be disappointed because of the audience's score in Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes but I'm totally not although there were some problems with this film, no doubt. Here is what I liked:
PROS
It stayed original and didn't copy Empire Strikes Back like The Force Awakens did to A New Hope.
The visual and special effects. Clearly better than the CGI in The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones.
The character development. Movie made me feel more attached to Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo Ren and BB-8.
The battle between Praetorian Guards and Rey and Kylo.
Leia using the force to save herself from hyperspace.
Poe's striking the First Order ships on his own. How different would it have been if he died in The Force Awakens? I'm glad they chose to rewrote his character arc.
The Force, Jedi and Sith looking at each other in the air.
Kylo Ren's backstory.
Luke Skywalker's character arc.
BB-8's amazing and cute moments. He just replaced R2-D2.
Luke's first time looking in Millenium Falcon and meeting R2 since Return of the Jedi.
The conclusion of Skywalker family. Rest in peace, Luke and Anakin.
Yoda. It completely shocked me that Yoda was still there with Luke after 30 Years.
CONS
Captain Phasma. She was kind of wasted like Boba Fett but at least it wasn't by accident. Her fight with Finn should have been longer.
What will happen to Leia's character? It was confirmed that she won't be in Episode 9 because of the death of Carrie Fisher (RIP). How are they going to justify it? Use another CGI actor like they did in Rogue One?
Leader Snoke. Kind of like Darth Maul, he was killed too early. Not that I want another Darth Sidious copy but I think his conclusion should have happened in the last episode but guess not.
Luke's death. I loved his conclusion but it was kind of underwhelming for an iconic character like him. It should have been bigger and more emotional. I think Han Solo's death was better written and more shocking.
Space battles. They were awesome but they were just too short. I prefer the ones in Rogue One.
The relationship between Finn and Rose. This was WAY worse than Anakin and Padme one. Rose kissing Finn came out of nowhere and Finn felt more attached to Rey than her.
Rey's backstory. Just WTF? She is just a character that was born as a junkie loner in Jakku and is not related to a character that we have met in the previous SW movies? Come on, man. This isn't fair.
Overall, I loved this film. I'd give it an 8/10. I'm sadly not going to look forward to Solo: A Star Wars Story this year because what's the point? Han Solo already has 3 amazing movies, his "solo" movie will be nothing but fanservice, I'll watch it when it comes out on Blu-Ray and that's it. Here is my ranking of the Star Wars movies so far:
Revenge of the Sith (I don't give two shits what you say, this movie is amazing, gets a lot of unnecessary hate and has iconic moments)
I came back from the theaters after watching this film and I can't help but say that I loved this movie so much. Better than The Force Awake… morens IMO but dunno if I like it more than Rogue One. I thought I was going to be disappointed because of the audience's score in Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes but I'm totally not although there were some problems with this film, no doubt. Here is what I liked:
PROS
* It stayed original and didn't copy Empire Strikes Back like The Force Awakens did to A New Hope.
* The visual and special effects. Clearly better than the CGI in The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones.
* The character development. Movie made me feel more attached to Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo Ren and BB-8.
* The battle between Praetorian Guards and Rey and Kylo.
* Leia using the force to save herself from hyperspace.
* Poe's striking the First Order ships on his own. How different would it have been if he died in The Force Awakens?… [view original content]
Saw it earlier today, I thought it was pretty good. However, I definitely preferred Rogue One and The Force Awakens much more. While Last Je… moredi is a more "original" film (as in, it's not a practical ripoff of A New Hope like Force Awakens was), there were just some elements to it that I was not a huge fan of.
The first and foremost was the casino stuff between Finn and Rose. It seems like its there to set up something for a future movie, but in the context of this one, it doesn't contribute all that much and really just feels unnecessary and overly long. Throw that in with a bit of a forced in animal rights message, it just didn't feel like Star Wars to me.
And yeah, the Finn and Rose "romance" was incredibly tacked on. I had no idea they were trying to go for that, it certainly didn't come across that way, especially since it seems that Finn really has feelings for Rey (or if you're Tumblr and John Boyega, Poe). Move over Padme and Anak… [view original content]
Totally agree with what you said about Luke's death.
With what you said about Rey's backstory, though, I think that's the whole point. As Kylo Ren said, she's nobody. I think having just one main character attached to the Skywalker family is enough (Kylo Ren).
(And yeah, I agree. Revenge of the Sith was great)
I came back from the theaters after watching this film and I can't help but say that I loved this movie so much. Better than The Force Awake… morens IMO but dunno if I like it more than Rogue One. I thought I was going to be disappointed because of the audience's score in Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes but I'm totally not although there were some problems with this film, no doubt. Here is what I liked:
PROS
* It stayed original and didn't copy Empire Strikes Back like The Force Awakens did to A New Hope.
* The visual and special effects. Clearly better than the CGI in The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones.
* The character development. Movie made me feel more attached to Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo Ren and BB-8.
* The battle between Praetorian Guards and Rey and Kylo.
* Leia using the force to save herself from hyperspace.
* Poe's striking the First Order ships on his own. How different would it have been if he died in The Force Awakens?… [view original content]
Totally agree with what you said about Luke's death.
With what you said about Rey's backstory, though, I think that's the whole point. As… more Kylo Ren said, she's nobody. I think having just one main character attached to the Skywalker family is enough (Kylo Ren).
(And yeah, I agree. Revenge of the Sith was great)
But Obi-Wan would have been too old to procreate by the time of the original movies and by the time of the clone wars his love interest dies, and Rey is too young to have been born in the clone wars, and would have been born during or just after the original trilogy, and obi-wan has no notable canon siblings that I know of so he can’t be Rey’s uncle either, let alone actually be her parent.
Time to make a video about the top 10 movies ruined by fan speculation and theories.
I jest, by the way.
Anyway, I really enjoyed this movie, even more so than The Force Awakens. The climax of this movie was completely unexpected and had me on the edge of my seat the entire time. Kylo Ren taking out Snoke, the Rebellion nearly falling to pieces, and Rey's conversation with Kylo on the ship had me wondering in that moment if Rey would actually join Kylo. Now obviously, the casino part was not a very memorable part of the movie, and Rose kissing Finn came out of nowhere since they didn't seem interested in each other at all. However, the twists in this movie were very much welcome for a series that can get easily repetitive in its story-telling.
Huh, surprised to see peoples love for ROTS, I usually get crap for sitting it at my number two spot.
But man, The Last Jedi. When I first saw it I really enjoyed it. And then I kept thinking about different parts of it, its sitting just above TPM and AOTC for me right now. Can't shake that feeling that maybe you should stick with one guy when you're doing a trilogy like this, it kind of feels like a mixture of this guy wanting to defy expectations simply for the purpose of defying expectations, and simply wanting to do his own thing and discarding questions the previous film raised.
I'm about to sit down and eat, so I'll just gripe about a few main things:
Fine with Reys parents. She could have been someone, she could have been no one, Anakin was a Skywalker before being a Skywalker was a thing. But who the hell was Snoke? This guy is old. He's battle-scarred. He would have been in his physical prime during the OT. He basically founded a new empire, turned Lukes nephew to the dark side, then apparently trained him. And he just dies because he doesn't notice the lightsaber he's been throwing at Reys head start to move, right next to him. Was it really worth making the person who brought down the new Jedi order and demolished the New Republic look so damn incompetent so you could say "See? You thought he was the new Emperor, but swerve!" He just threw the entire character away.
Luke. Everything about Luke. This guy spent an entire movie trying to turn his father back to the light, and actually succeeded. He glimpses into his nephews mind and sees Snokes presence, and his immediate thought is "aw shit son, I gotta waste this fool immediately!" Then he just runs off and retires to an old Jedi temple? Ok, Luke, I'm not judging you, but the next time you don't want to be found, maybe not leave a map with your location IN YOUR OLD DROID. Why was this even a thing? He didn't leave it there as a failsafe, and refuses to come back to help his sister not get murdered by his nephew. This is the Luke who nearly got electrocuted to death trying to get through to his father.
Can't shake that feeling that maybe you should stick with one guy when you're doing a trilogy like this, it kind of feels like a mixture of this guy wanting to defy expectations simply for the purpose of defying expectations, and simply wanting to do his own thing and discarding questions the previous film raised.
That's an accurate way to describe this movie. The twists help make for a pretty epic presentation, but upon closer examination and comparison to lore, it breaks the continuity. A refreshing drink for moviegoers, a middle finger for long-time fans.
On a different note, I'm not sure how I feel about the current developing "romantic" relationships in this trilogy. All clues point towards Kylo and Rey getting it on and Finn maybe becoming the third wheel or getting a random girl out of pity. I disliked how Rey and Finn were fighting their own battles in isolation in this movie. Not that that's a bad thing, but I hope we get more action with them together in the next (and possibly final) movie in the trilogy.
Huh, surprised to see peoples love for ROTS, I usually get crap for sitting it at my number two spot.
But man, The Last Jedi. When I firs… moret saw it I really enjoyed it. And then I kept thinking about different parts of it, its sitting just above TPM and AOTC for me right now. Can't shake that feeling that maybe you should stick with one guy when you're doing a trilogy like this, it kind of feels like a mixture of this guy wanting to defy expectations simply for the purpose of defying expectations, and simply wanting to do his own thing and discarding questions the previous film raised.
I'm about to sit down and eat, so I'll just gripe about a few main things:
Fine with Reys parents. She could have been someone, she could have been no one, Anakin was a Skywalker before being a Skywalker was a thing. But who the hell was Snoke? This guy is old. He's battle-scarred. He would have been in his physical prime during the OT. He basically foun… [view original content]
Agreed, I'm not a big fan of the whole romance element in the movie. I guess Kylo and Rey are bonding because they're both young and strong in the force? Some of the vibes felt really off, especially considering what Reys seen Kylo do already. Finn and Rose, there was no build up to that, maybe Finns expression during the kiss really was a "wait, what is she talking about?" Rose, I kinda get, she's clearly star struck when she meets him, Finn was one of the people instrumental in taking down Starkiller base and fought Kylo Ren, but that's gotta be a one sided romance though. Finn barely even knows her, they went to a casino and rode a CGI dog, they shouldn't be planning the wedding already.
The seperation I didn't mind a lot, though I was expecting to see them together more. I did rather enjoy Force Awakens, so a few retreads didn't bother me. The Rebels, after a major victory, are on the run and on their last legs against the Empire. The Jedi hopeful is on an isolated planet seeking training from a disillusioned master who's reluctant to train them while the other protagonist from the first movie goes off to a whimsical planet in search of someone who ultimately betrays them to the empire. With everything I had heard about comparisons to TFAs major plotpoints, a surprising amount of time was spent on these scenarios. In the casinos case, an agonizing long amount of time lol. It did at least end with a reunion between everyone, I'm curious to see which direction they take the conclusion in.
Can't shake that feeling that maybe you should stick with one guy when you're doing a trilogy like this, it kind of feels like a mixture of … morethis guy wanting to defy expectations simply for the purpose of defying expectations, and simply wanting to do his own thing and discarding questions the previous film raised.
That's an accurate way to describe this movie. The twists help make for a pretty epic presentation, but upon closer examination and comparison to lore, it breaks the continuity. A refreshing drink for moviegoers, a middle finger for long-time fans.
On a different note, I'm not sure how I feel about the current developing "romantic" relationships in this trilogy. All clues point towards Kylo and Rey getting it on and Finn maybe becoming the third wheel or getting a random girl out of pity. I disliked how Rey and Finn were fighting their own battles in isolation in this movie. Not that that's a bad thing, but I hope we get … [view original content]
As a ReyXFinn shipper, I have my fingers crossed for the OTP facing off against Kylo Ren.
That aside, can we talk about the fact that Luke can use the Force to literally project himself light years across the galaxy? Leia's stunt had me going for a bit, but what Luke does is something we've never seen in a Star Wars movie before. In fact, I'm even more confused about how the Force works now, especially when Yoda comes back in spirit form and summons lightning to destroy the ancient Jedi books.
Agreed, I'm not a big fan of the whole romance element in the movie. I guess Kylo and Rey are bonding because they're both young and strong … morein the force? Some of the vibes felt really off, especially considering what Reys seen Kylo do already. Finn and Rose, there was no build up to that, maybe Finns expression during the kiss really was a "wait, what is she talking about?" Rose, I kinda get, she's clearly star struck when she meets him, Finn was one of the people instrumental in taking down Starkiller base and fought Kylo Ren, but that's gotta be a one sided romance though. Finn barely even knows her, they went to a casino and rode a CGI dog, they shouldn't be planning the wedding already.
The seperation I didn't mind a lot, though I was expecting to see them together more. I did rather enjoy Force Awakens, so a few retreads didn't bother me. The Rebels, after a major victory, are on the run and on their last legs against the Empire. The … [view original content]
Was just thinking about it. And, man. The more I think about Luke’s death the more I hate it.
I thought of a much better way his final showdown with Kylo Ren could play out, and this is what I expected to happen at that point.
When Kylo first comes down to confront Luke, his first words were something like “Luke... Have you come to tell me you forgive me?” And Luke said something along the lines of “No, I’ve come to put a stop to your madness” when what he SHOULD’VE said was “No... I’ve come to ask for YOUR forgiveness.”
There would’ve been a similar thing were Luke would’ve refused to fight Kylo Ren. He apologises for what he did. He tells him he only thought about killing him for a second before realising it was wrong. And if Luke really HAD to die, then Kylo Ren kills him at this point. Trying to make up for what he did would’ve stalled Kylo longer anyway even if he wasn’t phisically there. But making it out like Kylo was the one at fault only made him ‘go off’ quicker.
Han Solo’s death was great because it was shocking, emotional, and had a big impact on many major characters. Luke’s death? I don’t think that contributed to any character’s development.
Anyway, rant over. Just wanted to share how I thought the scene should’ve went.
This is my problem with Luke’s overall character in Last Jedi. In the end, he dies a deadbeat uncle who doesn’t try to help his nephew, he only perpetuates a conflict by messing with Kylo’s emotions and potentially making the situation much worse for the Resistance by potentially making Kylo even more unhinged. Also doesn’t help that the reason why any of this is happening is because of his mistake in the past and he sort of just leaves his sister and the Resistance behind to clean up his own mess for him.
Was just thinking about it. And, man. The more I think about Luke’s death the more I hate it.
I thought of a much better way his final sh… moreowdown with Kylo Ren could play out, and this is what I expected to happen at that point.
When Kylo first comes down to confront Luke, his first words were something like “Luke... Have you come to tell me you forgive me?” And Luke said something along the lines of “No, I’ve come to put a stop to your madness” when what he SHOULD’VE said was “No... I’ve come to ask for YOUR forgiveness.”
There would’ve been a similar thing were Luke would’ve refused to fight Kylo Ren. He apologises for what he did. He tells him he only thought about killing him for a second before realising it was wrong. And if Luke really HAD to die, then Kylo Ren kills him at this point. Trying to make up for what he did would’ve stalled Kylo longer anyway even if he wasn’t phisically there. But making it out like Kylo was the one … [view original content]
Yea there was a whole lot of weirdness involving the force in the movie. I guess Yoda physically interacting with the world isn't as farfetched if I remember ROTJ correctly, I think Obi-Wan sits next to Luke when he's explaining why he hadn't told him who Vader really was. Luke force projecting himself across the galaxy was something else though, not just because he could do it but because he can take a physical and visual form when he does it. Kylos attacks go right through him, but just before that he physically touched Leia and gave her the dice from Hans ship. We know the force can interact with and influence minds so I would've chalked it up to an advanced ability along those lines, but this was a physical manifestation of himself. Craziness.
As a ReyXFinn shipper, I have my fingers crossed for the OTP facing off against Kylo Ren.
That aside, can we talk about the fact that Luke … morecan use the Force to literally project himself light years across the galaxy? Leia's stunt had me going for a bit, but what Luke does is something we've never seen in a Star Wars movie before. In fact, I'm even more confused about how the Force works now, especially when Yoda comes back in spirit form and summons lightning to destroy the ancient Jedi books.
Seen it twice and loved it. Love arc with Kylo Ren/ Ben Solo and Rey - their mind reading arc, letting the past go and them joining up for a fight (Adam driver killed the part). I love Lukes part how he has version jedi temple and how it get destroys and how that's different from Ben's version. Leia's arc was great, she gets to past the light/ on to new line of heroes. She past the light on and helps everyone.
Finn and Rose part was useless, and their plan didn't work. They went there to knock out the tracking device but as soon as they get into the base they were betrayed so what happen??? They were seen next escaping. I know how some of the fans might disagree on Luke and Cannon but I still think the movie was great. Whatever happens with Kylo Ren and the episode 9 wether he gets turn back to the light or goes on the rule the galaxy w/ his appratence and gets striked down I am ok with. I just hope that Disney will put out another trilogy after this one.
Seen it twice and loved it. Love arc with Kylo Ren/ Ben Solo and Rey - their mind reading arc, letting the past go and them joining up for a… more fight (Adam driver killed the part). I love Lukes part how he has version jedi temple and how it get destroys and how that's different from Ben's version. Leia's arc was great, she gets to past the light/ on to new line of heroes. She past the light on and helps everyone.
Finn and Rose part was useless, and their plan didn't work. They went there to knock out the tracking device but as soon as they get into the base they were betrayed so what happen??? They were seen next escaping. I know how some of the fans might disagree on Luke and Cannon but I still think the movie was great. Whatever happens with Kylo Ren and the episode 9 wether he gets turn back to the light or goes on the rule the galaxy w/ his appratence and gets striked down I am ok with. I just hope that Disney will put out another trilogy after this one.
Oh I missed that news thanks for telling me man. Hey AronDracula, do you know if Rian Johnson confermed that it would have the new characters like Finn, Rey, Kylo Renn/Ben Solo etc?? ?
Oh I missed that news thanks for telling me man. Hey AronDracula, do you know if Rian Johnson confermed that it would have the new characters like Finn, Rey, Kylo Renn/Ben Solo etc?? ?
h well I am looking forwards to new chacters but I hope to see the Skywalker saga continure even if the original characters arnt in there. THanks for the info man
Nah, Episode 9 is gonna be the last SW movie I'm going to watch in theaters and hopefully it's the last one of Skywalker saga, Disney is taking too far. But if they plan to make an Obi-Wan Spin-off, it will definitely get my attention.
h well I am looking forwards to new chacters but I hope to see the Skywalker saga continure even if the original characters arnt in there. THanks for the info man
Nah, Episode 9 is gonna be the last SW movie I'm going to watch in theaters and hopefully it's the last one of Skywalker saga, Disney is taking too far. But if they plan to make an Obi-Wan Spin-off, it will definitely get my attention.
Well, it will obviously be the last movie of the sequel trilogy but won't be the last Star Wars movie. It was confirmed that Daisy Ridley who plays Rey is already finished her shots and episode 9 is the last she worked on. Dunno if they're gonna make another sequel trilogy.
I disagree that Reys backstory is bad, I like that she is a nobody, its a very easy trap in storytelling to have everything be related, but it also makes it predictable and boring
I came back from the theaters after watching this film and I can't help but say that I loved this movie so much. Better than The Force Awake… morens IMO but dunno if I like it more than Rogue One. I thought I was going to be disappointed because of the audience's score in Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes but I'm totally not although there were some problems with this film, no doubt. Here is what I liked:
PROS
* It stayed original and didn't copy Empire Strikes Back like The Force Awakens did to A New Hope.
* The visual and special effects. Clearly better than the CGI in The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones.
* The character development. Movie made me feel more attached to Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo Ren and BB-8.
* The battle between Praetorian Guards and Rey and Kylo.
* Leia using the force to save herself from hyperspace.
* Poe's striking the First Order ships on his own. How different would it have been if he died in The Force Awakens?… [view original content]
This is what bothers me. Rey is just a nobody who is somehow MORE powerful than Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker. It would have made a lot of sense if she was related to a Jedi knight. Look at Leia.
I disagree that Reys backstory is bad, I like that she is a nobody, its a very easy trap in storytelling to have everything be related, but it also makes it predictable and boring
This is what bothers me. Rey is just a nobody who is somehow MORE powerful than Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker. It would have made a lot of sense if she was related to a Jedi knight. Look at Leia.
That's why I hated this movie like I don't think anybody likes this Star Wars The Last Jedi movie. Rey was hinted at being somebody and JJ Abrams pushed that in The Force Awakens. They set it up in that film including Snoke being mysterious and who is he. I just HATED this movie.
This is what bothers me. Rey is just a nobody who is somehow MORE powerful than Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker. It would have made a lot of sense if she was related to a Jedi knight. Look at Leia.
But is the fact that the force is everywhere, and that someone can come from nowhere and still be strong with it not the teachings that the Jedi teach?
But is the fact that the force is everywhere, and that someone can come from nowhere and still be strong with it not the teachings that the Jedi teach?
Wouldn’t go that far. Anakin was the one who brought an end to the Jedi order in the first place, and killed an emperor while redeeming himself. He’s definitely a somebody, considering he was one of the most powerful sith there has ever been.
Wouldn’t go that far. Anakin was the one who brought an end to the Jedi order in the first place, and killed an emperor while redeeming himself. He’s definitely a somebody, considering he was one of the most powerful sith there has ever been.
ok question time - do you guys think that Kylo Ren should come back to the good side of the force or remain on the dark side? do you guys want him to take on an appendence and rule the galaxy? do you want to be Anakin 2.0?
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This film wasn't that grand and new, not when compared with expanded universe stories or even the prequels. They're still a rebellion fighting an Empire(changing the names to try and hide it) Why couldn't we have the Republic at war with a new threat or villain? We have to contrive Republic getting killed off screen so we can get to the same place we were at the original trilogy, that's ignoring the fact they're riffing on scenes from the old films, the only real new things are the polarizing choices.
I came back from the theaters after watching this film and I can't help but say that I loved this movie so much. Better than The Force Awakens IMO but dunno if I like it more than Rogue One. I thought I was going to be disappointed because of the audience's score in Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes but I'm totally not although there were some problems with this film, no doubt. Here is what I liked:
PROS
CONS
Overall, I loved this film. I'd give it an 8/10. I'm sadly not going to look forward to Solo: A Star Wars Story this year because what's the point? Han Solo already has 3 amazing movies, his "solo" movie will be nothing but fanservice, I'll watch it when it comes out on Blu-Ray and that's it. Here is my ranking of the Star Wars movies so far:
Finally somebody else who appreciates the film ?
Thank you, I thought I was the only one who loved Revenge of the Sith, it's such an underrated film.
And I was actually surprised that I liked it because I was expecting to be disappointed but nope, I'm not like other SW fanboys.
Considering I’m a huge fan boy I’m real surprised that I have a different opinion than most others
Totally agree with what you said about Luke's death.
With what you said about Rey's backstory, though, I think that's the whole point. As Kylo Ren said, she's nobody. I think having just one main character attached to the Skywalker family is enough (Kylo Ren).
(And yeah, I agree. Revenge of the Sith was great)
Personally I thought it was pretty bad. A big improvement over Force Awakens though.
Not necessarily related to Skywalker but related to Obi-Wan Kenobi, that would have made a lot of sense.
But Obi-Wan would have been too old to procreate by the time of the original movies and by the time of the clone wars his love interest dies, and Rey is too young to have been born in the clone wars, and would have been born during or just after the original trilogy, and obi-wan has no notable canon siblings that I know of so he can’t be Rey’s uncle either, let alone actually be her parent.
Time to make a video about the top 10 movies ruined by fan speculation and theories.
I jest, by the way.
Anyway, I really enjoyed this movie, even more so than The Force Awakens. The climax of this movie was completely unexpected and had me on the edge of my seat the entire time. Kylo Ren taking out Snoke, the Rebellion nearly falling to pieces, and Rey's conversation with Kylo on the ship had me wondering in that moment if Rey would actually join Kylo. Now obviously, the casino part was not a very memorable part of the movie, and Rose kissing Finn came out of nowhere since they didn't seem interested in each other at all. However, the twists in this movie were very much welcome for a series that can get easily repetitive in its story-telling.
Huh, surprised to see peoples love for ROTS, I usually get crap for sitting it at my number two spot.
But man, The Last Jedi. When I first saw it I really enjoyed it. And then I kept thinking about different parts of it, its sitting just above TPM and AOTC for me right now. Can't shake that feeling that maybe you should stick with one guy when you're doing a trilogy like this, it kind of feels like a mixture of this guy wanting to defy expectations simply for the purpose of defying expectations, and simply wanting to do his own thing and discarding questions the previous film raised.
I'm about to sit down and eat, so I'll just gripe about a few main things:
Fine with Reys parents. She could have been someone, she could have been no one, Anakin was a Skywalker before being a Skywalker was a thing. But who the hell was Snoke? This guy is old. He's battle-scarred. He would have been in his physical prime during the OT. He basically founded a new empire, turned Lukes nephew to the dark side, then apparently trained him. And he just dies because he doesn't notice the lightsaber he's been throwing at Reys head start to move, right next to him. Was it really worth making the person who brought down the new Jedi order and demolished the New Republic look so damn incompetent so you could say "See? You thought he was the new Emperor, but swerve!" He just threw the entire character away.
Luke. Everything about Luke. This guy spent an entire movie trying to turn his father back to the light, and actually succeeded. He glimpses into his nephews mind and sees Snokes presence, and his immediate thought is "aw shit son, I gotta waste this fool immediately!" Then he just runs off and retires to an old Jedi temple? Ok, Luke, I'm not judging you, but the next time you don't want to be found, maybe not leave a map with your location IN YOUR OLD DROID. Why was this even a thing? He didn't leave it there as a failsafe, and refuses to come back to help his sister not get murdered by his nephew. This is the Luke who nearly got electrocuted to death trying to get through to his father.
There's more, but these really bothered me lol
That's an accurate way to describe this movie. The twists help make for a pretty epic presentation, but upon closer examination and comparison to lore, it breaks the continuity. A refreshing drink for moviegoers, a middle finger for long-time fans.
On a different note, I'm not sure how I feel about the current developing "romantic" relationships in this trilogy. All clues point towards Kylo and Rey getting it on and Finn maybe becoming the third wheel or getting a random girl out of pity. I disliked how Rey and Finn were fighting their own battles in isolation in this movie. Not that that's a bad thing, but I hope we get more action with them together in the next (and possibly final) movie in the trilogy.
Agreed, I'm not a big fan of the whole romance element in the movie. I guess Kylo and Rey are bonding because they're both young and strong in the force? Some of the vibes felt really off, especially considering what Reys seen Kylo do already. Finn and Rose, there was no build up to that, maybe Finns expression during the kiss really was a "wait, what is she talking about?" Rose, I kinda get, she's clearly star struck when she meets him, Finn was one of the people instrumental in taking down Starkiller base and fought Kylo Ren, but that's gotta be a one sided romance though. Finn barely even knows her, they went to a casino and rode a CGI dog, they shouldn't be planning the wedding already.
The seperation I didn't mind a lot, though I was expecting to see them together more. I did rather enjoy Force Awakens, so a few retreads didn't bother me. The Rebels, after a major victory, are on the run and on their last legs against the Empire. The Jedi hopeful is on an isolated planet seeking training from a disillusioned master who's reluctant to train them while the other protagonist from the first movie goes off to a whimsical planet in search of someone who ultimately betrays them to the empire. With everything I had heard about comparisons to TFAs major plotpoints, a surprising amount of time was spent on these scenarios. In the casinos case, an agonizing long amount of time lol. It did at least end with a reunion between everyone, I'm curious to see which direction they take the conclusion in.
As a ReyXFinn shipper, I have my fingers crossed for the OTP facing off against Kylo Ren.
That aside, can we talk about the fact that Luke can use the Force to literally project himself light years across the galaxy? Leia's stunt had me going for a bit, but what Luke does is something we've never seen in a Star Wars movie before. In fact, I'm even more confused about how the Force works now, especially when Yoda comes back in spirit form and summons lightning to destroy the ancient Jedi books.
Was just thinking about it. And, man. The more I think about Luke’s death the more I hate it.
I thought of a much better way his final showdown with Kylo Ren could play out, and this is what I expected to happen at that point.
When Kylo first comes down to confront Luke, his first words were something like “Luke... Have you come to tell me you forgive me?” And Luke said something along the lines of “No, I’ve come to put a stop to your madness” when what he SHOULD’VE said was “No... I’ve come to ask for YOUR forgiveness.”
There would’ve been a similar thing were Luke would’ve refused to fight Kylo Ren. He apologises for what he did. He tells him he only thought about killing him for a second before realising it was wrong. And if Luke really HAD to die, then Kylo Ren kills him at this point. Trying to make up for what he did would’ve stalled Kylo longer anyway even if he wasn’t phisically there. But making it out like Kylo was the one at fault only made him ‘go off’ quicker.
Han Solo’s death was great because it was shocking, emotional, and had a big impact on many major characters. Luke’s death? I don’t think that contributed to any character’s development.
Anyway, rant over. Just wanted to share how I thought the scene should’ve went.
This is my problem with Luke’s overall character in Last Jedi. In the end, he dies a deadbeat uncle who doesn’t try to help his nephew, he only perpetuates a conflict by messing with Kylo’s emotions and potentially making the situation much worse for the Resistance by potentially making Kylo even more unhinged. Also doesn’t help that the reason why any of this is happening is because of his mistake in the past and he sort of just leaves his sister and the Resistance behind to clean up his own mess for him.
Yea there was a whole lot of weirdness involving the force in the movie. I guess Yoda physically interacting with the world isn't as farfetched if I remember ROTJ correctly, I think Obi-Wan sits next to Luke when he's explaining why he hadn't told him who Vader really was. Luke force projecting himself across the galaxy was something else though, not just because he could do it but because he can take a physical and visual form when he does it. Kylos attacks go right through him, but just before that he physically touched Leia and gave her the dice from Hans ship. We know the force can interact with and influence minds so I would've chalked it up to an advanced ability along those lines, but this was a physical manifestation of himself. Craziness.
Seen it twice and loved it. Love arc with Kylo Ren/ Ben Solo and Rey - their mind reading arc, letting the past go and them joining up for a fight (Adam driver killed the part). I love Lukes part how he has version jedi temple and how it get destroys and how that's different from Ben's version. Leia's arc was great, she gets to past the light/ on to new line of heroes. She past the light on and helps everyone.
Finn and Rose part was useless, and their plan didn't work. They went there to knock out the tracking device but as soon as they get into the base they were betrayed so what happen??? They were seen next escaping. I know how some of the fans might disagree on Luke and Cannon but I still think the movie was great. Whatever happens with Kylo Ren and the episode 9 wether he gets turn back to the light or goes on the rule the galaxy w/ his appratence and gets striked down I am ok with. I just hope that Disney will put out another trilogy after this one.
It was already confirmed that Rian Johnson, the director of The Last Jedi, wants to make his own SW trilogy after this.
Oh I missed that news thanks for telling me man. Hey AronDracula, do you know if Rian Johnson confermed that it would have the new characters like Finn, Rey, Kylo Renn/Ben Solo etc?? ?
From what I've heard so far, he said it will be separate from Skywalker saga and it will have new characters that were never explored before.
h well I am looking forwards to new chacters but I hope to see the Skywalker saga continure even if the original characters arnt in there. THanks for the info man
Nah, Episode 9 is gonna be the last SW movie I'm going to watch in theaters and hopefully it's the last one of Skywalker saga, Disney is taking too far. But if they plan to make an Obi-Wan Spin-off, it will definitely get my attention.
OK fair enough can I ask did Disney say Episode 9 would be the last movie through??
Well, it will obviously be the last movie of the sequel trilogy but won't be the last Star Wars movie. It was confirmed that Daisy Ridley who plays Rey is already finished her shots and episode 9 is the last she worked on. Dunno if they're gonna make another sequel trilogy.
I think they're on a mission to catch up to Friday the 13th in movies(12).
That would be awesome if true.
Have a great day/night Johro
I disagree that Reys backstory is bad, I like that she is a nobody, its a very easy trap in storytelling to have everything be related, but it also makes it predictable and boring
This is what bothers me. Rey is just a nobody who is somehow MORE powerful than Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker. It would have made a lot of sense if she was related to a Jedi knight. Look at Leia.
Anakin/Darth Vader was a nobody though
That's why I hated this movie like I don't think anybody likes this Star Wars The Last Jedi movie. Rey was hinted at being somebody and JJ Abrams pushed that in The Force Awakens. They set it up in that film including Snoke being mysterious and who is he. I just HATED this movie.
Nobody? They are related to Darth Plagueis. He created Anakin with those meta whatever force cells. Like that's not a nobody that is a somebody .
But is the fact that the force is everywhere, and that someone can come from nowhere and still be strong with it not the teachings that the Jedi teach?
But Rey was never trained by a Jedi Master.
Which is why she is a Mary Sue. Which sucks and I really don't feel like I'm going to watch episode 9.
I dunno what the fuck is Mary Sue but I don't see her as a bad character. I'd like to say she is just overrated.
Wouldn’t go that far. Anakin was the one who brought an end to the Jedi order in the first place, and killed an emperor while redeeming himself. He’s definitely a somebody, considering he was one of the most powerful sith there has ever been.
What I meant was, he was a nobody before then
ok question time - do you guys think that Kylo Ren should come back to the good side of the force or remain on the dark side? do you guys want him to take on an appendence and rule the galaxy? do you want to be Anakin 2.0?