Am I the only one here who - gasp - doesn't like Sam & Max?

edited December 2009 in General Chat
I don't like Sam & Max. I really don't.

I don't like the Lucasarts adventure or the Telltale series.

I've no interest in reading the comic strips or watching the old cartoons.

It's not due to a lack of quality on the part of any of these things, I simply have no interest in the characters or setting. I groan whenever Telltale announces a new Sam & Max season because it means that they won't be releasing anything interest until it's over.

I wonder if I'm the only one here who dislikes Sam & Max in all its various tedious incarnations? Surely I can't be the only one.
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  • edited December 2009
    Hopefully, yes. The humor and atmosphere of the Sam and Max universe is a good deal more fun than any of Telltale's other properties, and I'd hope that a large majority of the people here agree with me.
  • edited December 2009
    Oh no. I'm sure there's probably at least another couple of guys who feel like you do. But then there's probably a thousand or so on the board who would howl like wolves if Telltale didn't release a Sam and Max season in 2010 as well, so ... yeah. You're in the minority, I think it's safe to say.
  • edited December 2009
    Yeah, you're probably not the only one, which isn't to say that the other people who don't like them are also in the forums.

    I'm curious about how you discover Telltale. Are you a fan of Bone, Homestar Runner.com, Wallace and Gromit, or Monkey Island, or all of them? The thing is, pretty much most people discovered Telltale because they found out that a franchise they like is being made into adventure games, or are people who are new to adventure games and are interested in trying them out.
  • edited December 2009
    tredlow wrote: »
    Yeah, you're probably not the only one, which isn't to say that the other people who don't like them are also in the forums.

    I'm curious about how you discover Telltale. Are you a fan of Bone, Homestar Runner.com, Wallace and Gromit, or Monkey Island, or all of them? The thing is, pretty much most people discovered Telltale because they found out that a franchise they like is being made into adventure games, or are people who are new to adventure games and are interested in trying them out.

    I've known about Telltale ever since they started up, simply because I'm interestested in adventure games. I don't consider myself to be a "fan" of any game franchise because my critical faculties always kick in before I can become a fan of anything!

    Having said that, I bought Tales of Monkey Island (it's the only Telltale series that I've purchased) due to having fond childhood memories of playing Monkey Island 2 as a child. I enjoyed Tales, but I think that the series has pretty much run its course now.

    These days I'm only really interested in new characters, stories, themes, and settings. Warmed up old game/TV/comic/movie franchises just don't do it for me. I understand that they are safer to produce than original titles due to having a pre-existing fanbase, but I look for a little more freshness and a little less comfortable familiarity than they can offer.
  • edited December 2009
    Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I find it difficult to imagine that out of all Telltale's many customers only one of them isn't interested in Sam and Max, so I'm sure there are a few more.

    But since they are so famous and popular in the adventure gaming world, probably most of Telltale's customers discovered the company through the Sam and Max games. So my guess is, that's why it feels like you are the only one.

    According to a poll a while back, Sam and Max was by far most customers' favourite Telltale series. But Monkey Island wasn't on the poll and I expect that has attracted a lot of customers too.
  • edited December 2009
    I wouldn't say I dislike Sam & Max, but I'm fairly indifferent to them. I don't mind them, and the humour is nice and all, but the universe isn't that interesting, and they rarely have any good characters outside of Sam & Max. In fact, I've rarely encountered anyone but annoying characters in the S&M universe. None that I really cared about or liked. I also prefer games that can blend a little bit of seriousness into all the humour, like Monkey Island. The whole S&M series kinda lacks a bit of contrast between all the jokes. Instead it's just one joke after another. I know adding drama or at least some contrast wouldn't fit the series, so I'm not gonna make insane demands to the annoyance of the fans. But that's just how I see the games. In the end, Sam & Max works better in comic book format - not surprisingly, since it is one.
  • edited December 2009
    I didn't enjoy "Hit the road" as much as everybody else. The cartoon? Well, i understood completly why it was canceled. The Telltale's game were actually the first time i enjoyed the franchise.
  • edited December 2009
    You. Out. Now. Door's over there. Try not let Superball hit you with it on the way out into the cold rain of a Sam & Max-less life.

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    The cartoon? Well, i understood completly why it was canceled.

    It wasn't cancelled, just not renewed. Same end result, just different cause. But it was reported to have performed quite well during its run.
    I'm curious about how you discover Telltale. Are you a fan of Bone, Homestar Runner.com, Wallace and Gromit, or Monkey Island, or all of them? The thing is, pretty much most people discovered Telltale because they found out that a franchise they like is being made into adventure games, or are people who are new to adventure games and are interested in trying them out.
    According to a poll a while back, Sam and Max was by far most customers' favourite Telltale series. But Monkey Island wasn't on the poll and I expect that has attracted a lot of customers too.

    I imagine that many of the original followers of TTG came here for Sam & Max (myself included), since the company was essentially created from the events surrounding Sam & Max: Freelance Police. Sam & Max was the proper launch title for TTG, with a bigger impact than Bone made.
  • edited December 2009
    There are much people who don't like or care Sam and Max. But it's REALLY rare to find someone who likes adventure games AND don't like Sam and Max. I find it really ironic, because I wasn't an adventure gamer before hearing about Sam and Max.
    LukeSW wrote: »
    Surely I can't be the only one.

    Live and learn.
  • edited December 2009
    I don't really like them. I wasn't a huge fan of the first season, but someone told be season two was alot better, and due to it being on Sale at the time (£13 i think) i snapped it up. So far (i have only played one episode) i have been dissapointed. it seems to be much the same as before. Sure they're more then playable, but they are probably the worst P&C series i have played. But that's not because they are bad, but it's because the humour just isn't suited to me, and the plot/puzzles aren't sufficient enough to supplement that. If i was to give the series a rating, i would probably say 6.5/10.
  • edited December 2009
    I'm pretty shocked.
  • edited December 2009
    Most of the adventure gamers that I know love Sam and Max - although they got into adventure gaming because of me. :p

    I don't know about everyone else, but I actually like the Sam and Max series more than the Monkey Island series.
  • edited December 2009
    I'm probably the opposite of LukeSW, I love Sam and Max but just don't like Monkey Island. People say it's witty and I just think that they must have a pretty loose description of the term 'witty'. Everyone has their right to an opinion though.
  • edited December 2009
    I'm probably the opposite of LukeSW, I love Sam and Max but just don't like Monkey Island. People say it's witty and I just think that they must have a pretty loose description of the term 'witty'. Everyone has their right to an opinion though.

    WHAT.

    (Respecting your opinion, but this has really shocked me!)
  • edited December 2009
    WHAT.

    (Respecting your opinion, but this has really shocked me!)
    I suppose MI to some people is like Wallace and gromit (the programme). Some of the jokes are just bad puns. I like those sorts of jokes, but other don't. Kind of a marmite sense of humour.
  • edited December 2009
    I'm probably the opposite of LukeSW, I love Sam and Max but just don't like Monkey Island. People say it's witty and I just think that they must have a pretty loose description of the term 'witty'. Everyone has their right to an opinion though.

    Depends on the MI game. Lechuck's Revenge floors me with the quality of the writing. Secret too seeing as it was a game that wasn't originally intended to be a comedy.
  • edited December 2009
    I really hate Wallace and Gromit...
    This thread is officially based on the hatred confessions of people, starting from now.
  • edited December 2009
    I really hate Phantasmorgia. Who in their right mind would play that?
  • edited December 2009
    It took a while for Sam and Max to grow on me, particularly the new TellTale stuff. But as the writing improved and a superior and fantastic second season was delivered I was converted into one of the faithful
  • edited December 2009
    I really hate Phantasmorgia. Who in their right mind would play that?

    The first game is bad, but the sequel is a lot worse. The first hour is spent doing office work. *shudders*
  • edited December 2009
    The first game is bad, but the sequel is a lot worse. The first hour is spent doing office work. *shudders*

    I never knew Phantasmorgia was inspired by Dilbert and Ricky Gervais. :p
  • edited December 2009
    I saw a nightmare. I was... not liking Sam and Max.
  • edited December 2009
    I never knew Phantasmorgia was inspired by Dilbert and Ricky Gervais. :p

    :p I wish, then it would have been a lot more entertaining. The first hour of the sequel is spent chatting with co-workers about various files and checking emails. To make matters worse, there is no narration so your goal in that game is never clear.

    People who claim to dislike Sam and Max (or Monkey Island) need to start playing shitty Adventure games - when they do, they'll gain a new appreciation for the classics.
  • edited December 2009
    I really hate Phantasmorgia. Who in their right mind would play that?

    *raises hand*

    I loved Phantasmagoria. It basically played itself, but it's cheesy horror gold.I even liked the sequel to some extent, despite having the second worst puzzle in all of adventure gaming.
  • edited December 2009
    Friar wrote: »
    I don't really like them. I wasn't a huge fan of the first season, but someone told be season two was alot better, and due to it being on Sale at the time (£13 i think) i snapped it up. So far (i have only played one episode) i have been dissapointed. it seems to be much the same as before. Sure they're more then playable, but they are probably the worst P&C series i have played. But that's not because they are bad, but it's because the humour just isn't suited to me, and the plot/puzzles aren't sufficient enough to supplement that. If i was to give the series a rating, i would probably say 6.5/10.

    Get to around Episode 4, that's when it really peaks. If you still don't like it by then well fair enough. Just a heads up, Episode 2 actually takes a couple of steps back from Episode 1.
  • edited December 2009
    People who claim to dislike Sam and Max (or Monkey Island) need to start playing shitty Adventure games - when they do, they'll gain a new appreciation for the classics.

    I wouldn't say that's a compliment to Sam & Max.
  • edited December 2009
    I will throw this out there, I'm a huge sam and max fan, and I wasn't keen on Monkey Island until escape but playing that game was "this is allright." but monkey island grew on me and I own all five monkey island games. But my sam and max collection is a lot bigger.
  • edited December 2009
    Woodsyblue wrote: »
    Get to around Episode 4, that's when it really peaks. If you still don't like it by then well fair enough. Just a heads up, Episode 2 actually takes a couple of steps back from Episode 1.
    I plan of playing through the all, but i'm in no rush. I've got Broken sword 3/1 and beneath a steel sky to complete aswell. Thanks for the heads up thouigh.
  • edited December 2009
    I really hate Phantasmorgia. Who in their right mind would play that?

    Haha! I remember that game, now. My mother loved it.
    I kinda of glanced at it with a passing interest.

    Back then, I was always playing the LucasArts adv games and she was always playing the Sierra adv games (Kings Quest,Kyrandia, etc)

    I couldn't understand how she could pass up Guybrush or Sam and Max for some plain guy in a green hat in a game that appeared to be full of the bland and humorless...
    but she still swears by them to this day.
  • edited December 2009
    I don't really like Wallace and Grommit, but I did like the games. And ... I don't like "Titanic" or "Forrest Gump". There! I said it, and I won't take it back!
  • edited December 2009
    Lena_P wrote: »
    I don't really like Wallace and Grommit, but I did like the games. And ... I don't like "Titanic" or "Forrest Gump". There! I said it, and I won't take it back!

    Your such a horrible person for not liking Forest Gump or Titanic!

    Oh...wait..never mind, I just realized those movies are overplayed, it's okay i'll show myself out.
  • edited December 2009
    I can understand why not all Sam and Max fans like Monkey Island (and vice versa) because certain aspects of them are actually very different. I must admit I love both. And while it was Sam and Max that helped me discover Telltale in the first place, it was Monkey Island that won me over as a customer. But it was probably the influence of them both really. If TOMI had come first, and then the Sam and Max episodic series, maybe I'd have joined for Sam and Max. I dunno.

    Never heard of this Phantasmorgia (until now) but the name of it reminds me of the 1908 animation Phantasmagorie. By any chance does it have anything to do with that? If so I imagine the game's pretty strange.
    Lena_P wrote: »
    And ... I don't like "Titanic" or "Forrest Gump".
    I still haven't seen either of those. How's that for weird? XD
  • edited December 2009
    S@bre wrote: »
    I imagine that many of the original followers of TTG came here for Sam & Max (myself included), since the company was essentially created from the events surrounding Sam & Max: Freelance Police. Sam & Max was the proper launch title for TTG, with a bigger impact than Bone made.

    While I'm pretty much a fan of all franchises Telltale has done, it was actually Bone that drew me in. I was interested because I never thought that anyone would actually make a game based on a comic book series that's pretty obscure compared to the others. Though, in the end, I didn't quite like it that much, since it changed some parts of the storyline and gave voices to the characters (I know this is inevitable when making an adventure game based on an existing story, but I still didn't like it)

    When Sam and Max came out, I was excited, yet not without doubts. Fortunately, though, the story drew me in the second I started playing, and the humor of the old game, comics, and cartoons are still intact, and that's when I became a Telltale fan.

    And Forrest Gump is above average, but not a perfect ten. I have no strong feelings about Titanic.
  • edited December 2009
    I'm not a horror fan. The only horror I care for is Poe, Lovecraft, Gabriel Knight, comedy horror like the Evil Dead 2, and Yahtzee's games. Straight horror I don't like. Phantasmorgia has little gems such as a man force-feeding a woman with brains, bowels, feces, blood, and other lovely little culinary treats until she chokes to death. (I watched some of it on Youtube to see WHAT it was because I had heard it was by Roberta Williams and that it was gross) You know I'm probably overreacting. Who wouldn't want to endure mind-numbing Sierra puzzles just to see that brilliant piece of writing? [sighs]

    ...

    WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!!!! WHAT WAS ROBERTA WILLIAMS THINKING. GROAR. (cue Godzilla roar and arm flailing)

    Though I'll admit the story does sound quite well written (it has a magician so I can see how Roberta Williams thought it up) but the game is FMV, so you know it's gotta be sick. If it was just pixels I could handle it no problem, especially Sierra's pixel style, but it's FMV. I wouldn't have played Trilby's Notes if it was FM.....actually yes I would. Get to it Yahtzee!


    I'm also not a fan of Leisure Suit Larry. I didn't find the first one to be very "classic", though the premise was good. The third one was brilliant and hit the right nails on the right heads but then I got stuck cause I FORGOT TO CLOSE MY LOCKER AND WAS STRANDED NUDE and COULDN'T FINISH THE GAME. And if you took that sentence out of context you could have a lot of cheap laughs at my expense. Leisure Suit Larry 5 was all right and it had some funny moments, but the art style is what mostly set it apart. I didn't bother with 6 because the art style was just UGLY in that. Seven looked good stylishly but by then I just don't feel like it any more. To me, three is the only one I'm a fan of and the only one in the series I'd really go back and play again.
  • edited December 2009
    Titanic sucks. There, I said what many of us were thinking.[/derailing thread]
  • edited December 2009
    Friar wrote: »
    I plan of playing through the all, but i'm in no rush. I've got Broken sword 3/1 and beneath a steel sky to complete aswell. Thanks for the heads up thouigh.

    It's all good ^_^
  • edited December 2009
    Lena_P wrote: »
    I don't like "Titanic" or "Forrest Gump". There! I said it, and I won't take it back!

    I cried on Titanic! Well, I was like 5 years old and I didn't know what the hell was going on the ship except for the iceberg but the music was weird enough to make me cry. Me being really hungry also helped.

    ...but still counts!
  • edited December 2009
    Falanca wrote: »
    I cried on Titanic! Well, I was like 5 years old and I didn't know what the hell was going on the ship except for the iceberg but the music was weird enough to make me cry. Me being really hungry also helped.

    ...but still counts!



    Oh thanks, now I know how the movie ends...
  • edited December 2009
    Falanca wrote: »
    I cried on Titanic! Well, I was like 5 years old and I didn't know what the hell was going on the ship except for the iceberg but the music was weird enough to make me cry. Me being really hungry also helped.

    ...but still counts!

    I cried, too, tears of joy when
    idiot-boy finally died after spending two hours of watching all the incredibly unlikely ways he could've perished, only to have him sink, freezing, into the water, when his girl lets go of his hand ... after promising to never let him go.
    This was before you had multiple movie choices on aeroplanes, and I was all out of reading material. Nowadays I just listen to music.

    Wait, you were hungry? Why didn't somebody buy your popcorn or something? And why did they take a five year old to an "R" rated film? :confused:
  • edited December 2009
    Lena_P wrote: »
    Wait, you were hungry? Why didn't somebody buy your popcorn or something? And why did they take a five year old to an "R" rated film? :confused:


    Titanic wasn't R-rated when it came out it was PG-13 despite, the necklace drawing scene.

    I beleive it may still have the PG-13 rating.
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