What the fudge?

edited December 2009 in General Chat
I've only been here on the forums since a year but...

Since when did this forum turn from a family friendly forum to a forum where we can use about any curse word we can imagine?

Sure, I make some strange comments that are really questionable, but at least I try to keep it as cryptic as possible, or at least cryptic for those who are too young to know about it.

But then I go and see all these words like the f-word or the s-word. I've been trying to avoid these words on these boards BECAUSE I am aware that this is a board for everyone, not just adults. I mean, even teens shouldn't use these words.

Now I'm the last person to say that curse words should be forbidden at all, seeing as I use them on other boards quite often, but on a board that is specifically made for everyone, where the games even try to avoid or bleep out these words, I think it's really inappropriate to use these words.
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  • edited December 2009
    I'm a fan of either the ****, S***, or the humerous *BLEEP* for censoring words. I hadn't noticed, but your right the censorship seems to have lifted quite a bit...
  • edited December 2009
    Personally, i don't see the point in swearing. I haven't done so in two years now. Why say "Oh S***", when you can just say "oh Crumbs"? Much nicer.
  • edited December 2009
    Friar wrote: »
    Personally, i don't see the point in swearing. I haven't done so in two years now. Why say "Oh S***", when you can just say "oh Crumbs"? Much nicer.
    Why say "Oh Crumbs" when you can say "Oh Shit"? I'm pretty sure Crumbs is the unnecessary replacement word in this equation.
  • edited December 2009
    "Oh Pooh" is much more appropriot
  • edited December 2009
    Why say "Oh Crumbs" when you can say "Oh Shit"? I'm pretty sure Crumbs is the unnecessary replacement word in this equation.

    Yes but it's much nicer on the ears, especially when theres kids around.
  • edited December 2009
    Or just a simple "oh crap". Less offensive, but ironically more effective.
  • edited December 2009
    Friar wrote: »
    Yes but it's much nicer on the ears, especially when theres kids around.

    I find I tend to sware more when kids are around
  • edited December 2009
    Crumbs makes me think of cake. (Mmmm, cake)
    Sh*t makes me think of feces. (Ick, feces)

    I vote for the cake.
  • edited December 2009
    Friar wrote: »
    Yes but it's much nicer on the ears, especially when theres kids around.
    I don't see how it's nicer on the ears, nor do I see how children affect the equation in the slightest, since I'm pretty sure they evaluate and use words just the same as anyone else. I can understand the arguments against children seeing heavy sexual or violent content, but these are words but considering these are words that are not only heavily used by adults but also on playgrounds anyway, they might as well learn them early. Swear words bother adults, not kids, because kids don't have this sort of offense against different words built into them, it's taught to them.

    Racial epithets are another matter, of course, but we're not talking about them.
  • edited December 2009
    But the thing is, kids can't distinguish if a word is good or bad, and that it's generally not a great way of greeting somebody. It sends out the wrong message that using these words is good opposed to that it's bad.

    When going to a board meeting, you don't expect somebody to greet you with a "Hello motherf*****". If we learn children these words too early, they may think it's actually okay to actually use these words. Only later will they actually understand the meaning, purpose and consequences of the word and using it.

    It also doesn't help the family-friendliness of this board. It's a reason why Nikasaur apologized everytime she used a swear during the webcast.
  • puzzleboxpuzzlebox Telltale Alumni
    edited December 2009
    Friar wrote: »
    Why say "Oh S***", when you can just say "oh Crumbs"? Much nicer.

    "Crumbs" just has the wrong feel to be a decent replacement swear, probably because it lacks the fricative consonants at the end. Too soft and gentle in the mouth. The common swear words are all very "harsh" to say. I think that's one of the things that makes them satisfying in the right context - those harsh fricatives and generally short vowel sounds can be an effective anger/frustration outlet.
  • edited December 2009
    GaryCXJk wrote: »
    I've only been here on the forums since a year but...

    Since when did this forum turn from a family friendly forum to a forum where we can use about any curse word we can imagine?

    Sure, I make some strange comments that are really questionable, but at least I try to keep it as cryptic as possible, or at least cryptic for those who are too young to know about it.

    But then I go and see all these words like the f-word or the s-word. I've been trying to avoid these words on these boards BECAUSE I am aware that this is a board for everyone, not just adults. I mean, even teens shouldn't use these words.

    Now I'm the last person to say that curse words should be forbidden at all, seeing as I use them on other boards quite often, but on a board that is specifically made for everyone, where the games even try to avoid or bleep out these words, I think it's really inappropriate to use these words.

    I agree, although you aren't the last person, since I believe in it the same.
    I don't see why people have to cuss. Especialy when they type it in. I understand in real life if you injure yourself you are more likely to cuss without thinking(I onetime jammed my hand in a car door and was about to scream the f word but was quickly able to change it to AWW FFFFFFFFFF because I hate cussing) but when you are typing, you can easily not say a bad word and replace it with something better (like fffffffffff:p)
    Telltale really should create a no cussing rule or something like that.
  • edited December 2009
    If I had to guess, I'd say Rather Dashing doesn't have any kids. But I could be wrong.

    Also, I think that a lot of the people on these boards are still kids (younger than 30). And I'm not saying that because I'm 30 or older, because I'm not. What I am saying though, is that when you grow up and have a family, usually you will learn to control your speech and respect the rules of society, whether it's ideal to you or not, because you come to realize that the world doesn't revolve around you. You come to realize that what you say affects others, and you learn to be more selfless, instead of selfish. It's all about respect for others.

    Don't mean to sound preachy, but that's my 2 cents.
  • edited December 2009
    ...but these are words but considering these are words that are not only heavily used by adults but also on playgrounds anyway, they might as well learn them early.

    I've never heard them on any playground I ever been on. As a kid or otherwise.
  • edited December 2009
    What makes a word bad? I believe there are not bad words, just ones with negative connotation.
  • edited December 2009
    I think that's the general idea behind "bad word". We're splitting hairs here.
  • edited December 2009
    Doesn't "oh crumbs" mean the same thing as "oh s***" or even "oh f***"? So what makes "crumbs" more appropriate?
  • edited December 2009
    Some words are only used in negative connotations. That makes them "bad words." That's my point.
  • edited December 2009
    Some words are only used in negative connotations. That makes them "bad words." That's my point.

    Dude, I f***ing love you. That seems pretty positive.
  • edited December 2009
    True. But it's also vulgar and harsh. As to why it's vulgar and harsh, well isn't that the whole point? Everyone argues that it's "just english" and "just like any other word" but the very reason that they use them is because they are considered harsh and vulgar. Isn't that the whole point of swearing? To be harsh and vulgar? We wouldn't be having this conversation if there were no such things as "bad words." But there is. And why is that?
  • edited December 2009
    Yes, but people just randomly decided these words were bad. It could be any other word.


    Oh dogs and cats! I hurt my jogging wrist. Oh cute kittens, that hurt!
  • edited December 2009
    Tpravetz wrote: »
    Yes, but people just randomly decided these words were bad. It could be any other word.


    Oh dogs and cats! I hurt my jogging wrist. Oh cute kittens, that hurt!
    Go wash your mouth out, you vile wretch!
  • edited December 2009
    Friar wrote: »
    Go wash your mouth out, you vile wretch!

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  • edited December 2009
    Tpravetz, you do realize that to F*&^ someone meant to rape them, right? I just wanted to make sure our non-native speakers understand the words true connotations. Yes, many terms have been used and taken up by people who don't truly know what they mean or care, but to some people the old meanings are still the most viable, which is why you should be careful using them in front of strangers.
  • [TTG] Yare[TTG] Yare Telltale Alumni
    edited December 2009
    The Internet is really destroying the ability to speak in a civil manner. The new generation is generally socially inept, and has no clue how to conduct themselves civilly. Anonymity combined with the Internet generation's inability to tolerate anything they disagree with is going to make for millions of tragic job interviews and college entrance essays in a few years.
  • edited December 2009
    [TTG] Yare wrote: »
    The Internet is really destroying the ability to speak in a civil manner. The new generation is generally socially inept, and has no clue how to conduct themselves civilly. Anonymity combined with the Internet generation's inability to tolerate anything they disagree with is going to make for millions of tragic job interviews and college entrance essays in a few years.
    I've found that too. Generally, people who are say six-seven years younger than me (i'm 18, in year 13, which i guess is college, and they are in year 7, equivalent to first year of high school, age 11-12) have a total lack of respect for elders, and seem to be unable to string a proper sentence together. I know we were all kids once, but my peers and i all agree that we respected students higher up the school (partly due to the fact they were tall and scary, but hey!), whereas nowadays they don't seem to bother.

    Still, if it makes Interviews easier for the people who deserve it more, then that's no loss!
  • edited December 2009
    Tpravetz wrote: »
    Yes, but people just randomly decided these words were bad. It could be any other word.


    Oh dogs and cats! I hurt my jogging wrist. Oh cute kittens, that hurt!

    You're missing my point. They're not randomly decided. They were actually specific terms years and years back for vulgar things and now over time they've evolved into just harsh things that people say because people like to be harsh. Not really sure why. Rebellion I guess. I think it's stupid.
  • edited December 2009
    You're missing my point. They're not randomly decided. They were actually specific terms years and years back for vulgar things and now over time they've evolved into just harsh things that people say because people like to be harsh. Not really sure why. Rebellion I guess. I think it's stupid.

    This. Like it or not, swear words offend some people. It's like with the word "Packie". Some people would say that thats not offensive at all (i personally don't see how it's different from calling a scotsman a Scot, or me a brit, but i don't use it anyway), but others take extreme offense. Therefore, it is only considerate to avoid the term, incase of inadvertently offending someone.
  • edited December 2009
    The whole problem is basically what Yare mentioned. There's not much human respect, decency, or consideration anymore. It also has something to do with lack of information and knowledge about things......the internet community has got to be the largest community of people with a low IQ in the world.
  • edited December 2009
    The whole problem is basically what Yare mentioned. There's not much human respect, decency, or consideration anymore. It also has something to do with lack of information and knowledge about things......the internet community has got to be the largest community of people with a low IQ in the world.
    And, ironically, is full of more information than anyone could possibly comprehend.
  • edited December 2009
    Personally, I find swear words to be utterly pointless. Plus, just the mere sound of them hurts my tiny, young'in ears.

    It doesn't help at school where F bombs are used as everyday adjectives. ;_;
  • edited December 2009
    Okay, so some people don't mind swear words and other people do. How about we all agree to respect one another opinions as best we can, and live in peace and love and harmony and enjoy some tasty pancakes?
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  • edited December 2009
    Friar wrote:
    And, ironically, is full of more information than anyone could possibly comprehend.

    Sure, the internet is full of information, but the internet community isn't. You don't have to learn anything yourself because you can always just look it up. The next generation will have no idea how to actually use a map because the whole world is on Google Map. The days of treasure huntery and map-pointing are over. Don't tell Winslow.
  • edited December 2009
    I've never heard them on any playground I ever been on. As a kid or otherwise.
    I have. Kids at my primary school started swearing in year four. At the time I blamed South Park, which had started the year before.
    Sure, the internet is full of information, but the internet community isn't. You don't have to learn anything yourself because you can always just look it up. The next generation will have no idea how to actually use a map because the whole world is on Google Map. The days of treasure huntery and map-pointing are over. Don't tell Winslow.
    Wouldn't use of Google Maps require being able to use a map?
  • edited December 2009
    Ah yes, but you can't learn proper map folding technique with a google map.

    And guys, let's go easy on the "this generation!" theme, okay? Sure there are a lot of jerks on the internet, but they're not all young kids, and not everyone under the age of 18 is a jerk. Besides, there have always been rude, impolite people, and every generation thinks the newest is the worst. When my grandmother was a teenager in the 20's and 30's they were seen as immoral nihilists, when my mom was a teenager in the 60's they were seen as unpatriotic hippies and when I was a teenager in the 90's we were all apathetic slackers. But the world went on, and teenagers didn't create the sub-prime loan fiasco, so cut them a little slack, okay?
  • edited December 2009
    Shwoo wrote: »
    Wouldn't use of Google Maps require being able to use a map?

    See, this is what I mean. Go find a real map, and try to find a location. I think you'll find it's a little different than typing in a location so Google Map can find it for you. I'm not trying to say it's difficult to use a real map. My point is that eventually people are going to forget how to use them. Just like the Dewey Decimal System.
  • edited December 2009
    Lena_P wrote: »
    Okay, so some people don't mind swear words and other people do. How about we all agree to respect one another opinions as best we can, and live in peace and love and harmony and enjoy some tasty pancakes?
    MG]

    I hate pancakes...
  • edited December 2009
    Do you dislike waffles as well?
  • edited December 2009
    I just honestly try not to swear in general, it makes me sound like a jerk.
  • edited December 2009
    The point I'm making now is, it's not just this generation or next generations or past generations. From what I've seen, the newer generations are generally more considerate, or at least raised with the feeling of respect towards elders because of the change of attitude.

    We, the demographic that lies between 16 and 30, we are not only the future, we are also the past. I've been severely annoyed already by the lack or respect towards the moderators and administrators here, or at least towards the developers since Tales of Monkey Island got announced. However, what disturbs me is that it is that very same group that also acts irresponsible, the group that takes others for granted.

    We might not believe it, but we also are of influence to the younger generation, the generation our parents or at least the generation of our parents try to protect from these words, words that still have a negative feeling. Phrases like "f****ing A" or "that s*** is the bomb" might have positive feelings, we still use swear words, words we actually should avoid.
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