Ooh, I should also make it clear that I consider "Twilight" to essentially be porn without the sex, in the sense that it's essentially a bodice ripper romance with under-aged characters and vampires instead of pirates. So fanfiction with the good bits taken out.
P.S. "Poo" is actually a necessary part of life, and in many parts of the world a still respected natural resource, where it is used not only to fertilize crops but as fuel and even in building construction.
seher, "Twilight" is not an okay movie. It portrays a stalker as the romantic ideal of a man which is sick and twisted. My friend started telling me about the book before the movie came out and I stopped her saying, "Wait, that guy's the hero?!"
"Yes." Pause. "Okay, saying it out loud it does sound kind of bad, but it works in the book ..."
Again, I'm definitely not saying it was good, as a matter of fact it was ridiculously painful to sit and watch and the worst thing I've ever let a cute sailor talk me into. However, I realized that as an adult woman with good self-esteem, the book and movie were not targeted at me. Think about how a young teen girl lacking in confidence and self-esteem would react: to us, it's stalkery and creepy but in their view, its a hot guy that is so into them, to the exclusion of the "in-crowd" that likely shuns them, they can't resist staying away and, for girls that haven't had good affection and are dreaming of having somebody, anybody, care about them, it's like a dream come true. That's why Stephanie Meyer is probably doing Scrooge McDuck-like dives into giant piles of money as we speak: she doesn't care if she gets our money, teens/tweens have way more disposable income and are far more prone to obsession and thus, accepting of it.
I've heard some of those Twilight fangirls can be vicious sometimes...
You are incredibly correct. As a semi-related aside, I was at a film festival for a film I worked on in the spring, in Vegas, that was showing a new and very well received movie starring sparkle boy ("How to Be" if you care) and when I asked about tickets the reply was "oh, no, it's been sold out for a couple weeks, we had to add another 3 showings because girls are flying in just to watch it".
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P.S. "Poo" is actually a necessary part of life, and in many parts of the world a still respected natural resource, where it is used not only to fertilize crops but as fuel and even in building construction.
Again, I'm definitely not saying it was good, as a matter of fact it was ridiculously painful to sit and watch and the worst thing I've ever let a cute sailor talk me into. However, I realized that as an adult woman with good self-esteem, the book and movie were not targeted at me. Think about how a young teen girl lacking in confidence and self-esteem would react: to us, it's stalkery and creepy but in their view, its a hot guy that is so into them, to the exclusion of the "in-crowd" that likely shuns them, they can't resist staying away and, for girls that haven't had good affection and are dreaming of having somebody, anybody, care about them, it's like a dream come true. That's why Stephanie Meyer is probably doing Scrooge McDuck-like dives into giant piles of money as we speak: she doesn't care if she gets our money, teens/tweens have way more disposable income and are far more prone to obsession and thus, accepting of it.
I realize that, and it's exactly why it frightens me. Because I've known not just teen girls, but adult men and women, attractive people with good jobs, who are just as willing to enter an abusive relationship using the "But they love me!" excuse to justify their actions. It's something I feel very strongly about, and have since I was a teen, actually. I was given a copy of Wuthering Heights when I was about 12, and I read the scholarly intro to it first. The (female) professor went on and on about the great love of Catherine and Heathcliff, and how, as a girl, she had hoped to one day find a Heathcliff of her own. Then I read the book. To say I felt sick and ashamed that any grown woman could interpret that story as a tribute to love is putting it mildly! I still don't know how the hell she rationalized Heathcliff's getting dragged to Hell at the end of the book, and I don't think I want to. I can understand why people react to the book and film the way they do; that doesn't mean I'm happy about it.
Mmm. Great stuff right there. Natural. I love it because it's natural.
Seriously, just because I have a natural urge to do something doesn't mean I want to or have to want to watch other people doing it.
Not at all what I was saying, and this is exactly why I didn't want to delve deeper into the subject. Somebody's hackles always get raised for whatever reason, and before you know it, debate gives way to childish flaming and/or sarcasm-slinging.
So I'll reword my original statement, leaving no room for misinterpretation.
"(jokingly) I'm more concerned by the ones who don't. (follow-up statement, showing agreement by giving a Cliff's Notes version of my opinion on the act of sex, masturbation, and by extension, porn) Perfectly natural thing."
Now, I know that it wasn't obvious that I was sharing two separate thoughts. I was in a hurry, and like I said, I had no intention of sparking a full-blown tangent. But you could have easily asked for clarification instead of going right for the sarcasm and condescension button.
Lena, I see, point taken. I just didn't read too much into it, rarely do with entertainment. Most of my thoughts during the movie were:
Wow, this sucks. Why am I here? Oh yeah, he's cute. Teen girls sure are dumb. Actually, I'm dumb for going along with this, we could have watched Punisher, at least there'd be violence. This is pretty awful. Cinematography is good at least. Wow, girls sure do like effeminate guys these days (not that there's anything wrong with that). God why won't this end?!
The only part that creeped me out in the vein you were talking about was when he was in her room at night. I was far too overwhelmed by the suck to give any serious thought to it though.
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Now, I know that it wasn't obvious that I was sharing two separate thoughts. I was in a hurry, and like I said, I had no intention of sparking a full-blown tangent. But you could have easily asked for clarification instead of going right for the sarcasm and condescension button.
What can I say? I'm a sarcastic, vulgar, and very opinionated guy.
Lena > I know, people creep me out. It's the same people who think "Every Breathe You Take" is a romantic song. Guys, it's a song about a creepy stalker!
It saddens me how people just drop every self-respect because "well that proves s/he loves me!" well no, it doesn't, actually. It's just possessivity. Which is almost the opposite of love. Because you know, if you really love someone, you'd rather have them happy without you than miserable with you.
Anyways. I only saw an abridged version of the Twilight movie but it was pretty bad. I believe at some point there was a scene that went "oh no, he sucked her blood and as a result the poison is in her veins and she's going to become a vampire! I, another vampire, am going to suck her blood to get the poison out, and that totally won't be the exact same thing that put it in in the first place, so obviously she's not going to turn into a vampire anymore"
And I would say Twilight, for what I understand, is not just "porn without the sex". It's "porn of not-sex". Like, the porn part is the sexual tension and frustration, the fact that no, they can't do it, he can't bite her, they really wish they could but they won't because it would be a bad idea, even if it's never really explained why.
I guess if the target is girls who have never had sex, it makes sense that it would talk to them.
Browse around Netflix's instant queue for low budget horror movies.
You will see a new level of terrible. Sometimes it's funny and pays off, but for the most part, they're so bad my brain wants to go into a coma to escape it.
Browse around Netflix's instant queue for low budget horror movies.
You will see a new level of terrible. Sometimes it's funny and pays off, but for the most part, they're so bad my brain wants to go into a coma to escape it.
And yet it sounds like you keep watching them... Trying the Exodus Method?
Browse around Netflix's instant queue for low budget horror movies.
You will see a new level of terrible. Sometimes it's funny and pays off, but for the most part, they're so bad my brain wants to go into a coma to escape it.
That's where I get the majority of my bad movies these days. I have to intentionally look for the stinkers in any genre but horror, though. I've seen a lot of fantastic films while under the impression that they'd be awful.
EDIT: Speaking of bad movies, just watched The Happening with Rifftrax. I can't tell if the movie or the commentary was funnier. I take back what I said about needing the trappings of MST to enjoy a riff.
Why paying for low budget horro films anyway?
There are a LOT of amateur filmmaking communities with a lot of people who are actually giving away their own works for free.
And those are equally good/bad to "professional" works.
Tho the cringe factor isn't as big, seeing its "amateurs".
Alone in the Dark by Uwe Boll was pretty terrible. I remember it having an incomprehensible plot, bad acting, lots of strobe lights and shaky camera and loud over bearing thudding music.
ShaggE: Totally some gems in the mix, you're right.
Avistew: ...sometimes you wanna see something bad. Sci Fi Original is bad in an awesome way. Some of these surpassed bad-awesome. I finally had to tell my roommate to CUT IT OUT!
Suro: Netflix is a monthly fee so I didn't have to pay directly for the films. There was good stuff available as well!
God I wish I remembered the name of that terrible vampire horror movie. I'll ask my roommate so you can all enjoy.
ShaggE: Totally some gems in the mix, you're right.
Avistew: ...sometimes you wanna see something bad. Sci Fi Original is bad in an awesome way. Some of these surpassed bad-awesome. I finally had to tell my roommate to CUT IT OUT!
Suro: Netflix is a monthly fee so I didn't have to pay directly for the films. There was good stuff available as well!
God I wish I remembered the name of that terrible vampire horror movie. I'll ask my roommate so you can all enjoy.
Speaking of bad movies and the Scifi Channel, I recently saw Stephen King's The Tommyknockers. What a friggin bucket of balls. What a ginormous amount of rear. What a piece of cancer infested fecal matter.
Cultists who hold people captive with green flashlights and turn people into aliens by freezing them. It was Ed Wood terrible.
Another crappy Scifi movie I always remember for its crappiness is War of the Worlds 2. Holy crap that was bad. There's no level of bad to describe its badness.
One horror series that seems to be a hit or miss for people that I love to death and have grown up with is the Tremors series. I like all the movies, and even the Z movie material Scifi Channel series that came out and got canceled, if only for having more Burt and Christopher Lloyd. Holy CRAP this was a badass series of films. I just love it to death, and it's always entertained me.
ShaggE: Totally some gems in the mix, you're right.
Avistew: ...sometimes you wanna see something bad. Sci Fi Original is bad in an awesome way. Some of these surpassed bad-awesome. I finally had to tell my roommate to CUT IT OUT!
Suro: Netflix is a monthly fee so I didn't have to pay directly for the films. There was good stuff available as well!
God I wish I remembered the name of that terrible vampire horror movie. I'll ask my roommate so you can all enjoy.
Vampires from outerspace with Patric stuart? I hope thats the one because it's hilarious.
Sci Fi Original is bad in an awesome way. Some of these surpassed bad-awesome. I finally had to tell my roommate to CUT IT OUT!
Oh god yes. Especially when they get Bruce Campbell. I swear, that man could punch himself in the face for two hours and it'd (deservedly) become a cult classic.
Oh god yes. Especially when they get Bruce Campbell. I swear, that man could punch himself in the face for two hours and it'd (deservedly) become a cult classic.
My name is bruce is all i'm going to say...god I love that movie.
Oh and Ang Lee's The Hulk deserves some mention. It was pretty much the only non-indie movie I got SO BORED watching, that I had to stop. Boring parts of other movies I can sit by and zone out for a bit and then get back into it even if they're bad, but I couldn't even do that here. I don't understand the praise for it either. "Visual effects aren't everything!" Yeah, that's great and all but don't have absolutely nothing happening within the course of thirty minutes, I mean it's a movie for a reason.
It's not rated, but if it was it'd be R. I recall there being nudity... shocking I know!
It has bad production values, terrible acting, and a horrendous plot. But there's a few points in the movie that were SO BAD that they were literally glorious. If you REALLY want to suffer, go for it. This is the best I can offer.
Oh god yes. Especially when they get Bruce Campbell. I swear, that man could punch himself in the face for two hours and it'd (deservedly) become a cult classic.
So it's a movie about "Vampire Strippers" and they call it "Blood Dancers"? Even the title is inept!:D Oh, has anyone checked out the "on demand" thing with digital cable? There's one ... channel, or whatever you call it called Something Weird that just plays random shorts and things, and you can find the most disturbing and hilarious stuff. I saw one made in the late 40's for the army, about the dangers of syphilis. Wrong on so many, many levels.
There's one ... channel, or whatever you call it called Something Weird that just plays random shorts and things, and you can find the most disturbing and hilarious stuff. I saw one made in the late 40's for the army, about the dangers of syphilis. Wrong on so many, many levels.
I love Something Weird. Check out their website, they have some truly awesome DVDs.
I saw "The Darjeeling Limited" about a year ago. Awful. So incredibly boring and un-funny that watching it is painful and a chore. Tedious. I have no idea why Owen Wilson lent his acting talents to such a B-grade movie.
:eek: This is one of my favourite films, allthough I can see why it may not be to everyones taste. There's a fantastic short film called Hotel Chevalier which was shown in cinemas as The Darjeeling Limited Part 1 (Natalie Portman gets her tits out!) which gives more depth to Jason Schwartzman's character. Some jokes would be missed without watching it but sounds like you really didn't like this film!
As for worst film i'd have to go with Troll 2. Watching that was a surreal experience, don't watch if your scared of goblins and plants
:eek: This is one of my favourite films, allthough I can see why it may not be to everyones taste. There's a fantastic short film called Hotel Chevalier which was shown in cinemas as The Darjeeling Limited Part 1 (Natalie Portman gets her tits out!) which gives more depth to Jason Schwartzman's character. Some jokes would be missed without watching it but sounds like you really didn't like this film!
As for worst film i'd have to go with Troll 2. Watching that was a surreal experience, don't watch if your scared of goblins and plants
How do Natalie Portman's breasts add to Jason Schwartzman's character?
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Also, ShaggE, you should watch this.
P.S. "Poo" is actually a necessary part of life, and in many parts of the world a still respected natural resource, where it is used not only to fertilize crops but as fuel and even in building construction.
Again, I'm definitely not saying it was good, as a matter of fact it was ridiculously painful to sit and watch and the worst thing I've ever let a cute sailor talk me into. However, I realized that as an adult woman with good self-esteem, the book and movie were not targeted at me. Think about how a young teen girl lacking in confidence and self-esteem would react: to us, it's stalkery and creepy but in their view, its a hot guy that is so into them, to the exclusion of the "in-crowd" that likely shuns them, they can't resist staying away and, for girls that haven't had good affection and are dreaming of having somebody, anybody, care about them, it's like a dream come true. That's why Stephanie Meyer is probably doing Scrooge McDuck-like dives into giant piles of money as we speak: she doesn't care if she gets our money, teens/tweens have way more disposable income and are far more prone to obsession and thus, accepting of it.
You are incredibly correct. As a semi-related aside, I was at a film festival for a film I worked on in the spring, in Vegas, that was showing a new and very well received movie starring sparkle boy ("How to Be" if you care) and when I asked about tickets the reply was "oh, no, it's been sold out for a couple weeks, we had to add another 3 showings because girls are flying in just to watch it".
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I know. Not the point I was making.
I realize that, and it's exactly why it frightens me. Because I've known not just teen girls, but adult men and women, attractive people with good jobs, who are just as willing to enter an abusive relationship using the "But they love me!" excuse to justify their actions. It's something I feel very strongly about, and have since I was a teen, actually. I was given a copy of Wuthering Heights when I was about 12, and I read the scholarly intro to it first. The (female) professor went on and on about the great love of Catherine and Heathcliff, and how, as a girl, she had hoped to one day find a Heathcliff of her own. Then I read the book. To say I felt sick and ashamed that any grown woman could interpret that story as a tribute to love is putting it mildly! I still don't know how the hell she rationalized Heathcliff's getting dragged to Hell at the end of the book, and I don't think I want to. I can understand why people react to the book and film the way they do; that doesn't mean I'm happy about it.
I know, but I still wanted to say it.
Not at all what I was saying, and this is exactly why I didn't want to delve deeper into the subject. Somebody's hackles always get raised for whatever reason, and before you know it, debate gives way to childish flaming and/or sarcasm-slinging.
So I'll reword my original statement, leaving no room for misinterpretation.
"(jokingly) I'm more concerned by the ones who don't. (follow-up statement, showing agreement by giving a Cliff's Notes version of my opinion on the act of sex, masturbation, and by extension, porn) Perfectly natural thing."
Now, I know that it wasn't obvious that I was sharing two separate thoughts. I was in a hurry, and like I said, I had no intention of sparking a full-blown tangent. But you could have easily asked for clarification instead of going right for the sarcasm and condescension button.
Wow, this sucks. Why am I here? Oh yeah, he's cute. Teen girls sure are dumb. Actually, I'm dumb for going along with this, we could have watched Punisher, at least there'd be violence. This is pretty awful. Cinematography is good at least. Wow, girls sure do like effeminate guys these days (not that there's anything wrong with that). God why won't this end?!
The only part that creeped me out in the vein you were talking about was when he was in her room at night. I was far too overwhelmed by the suck to give any serious thought to it though.
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What can I say? I'm a sarcastic, vulgar, and very opinionated guy.
Lena > I know, people creep me out. It's the same people who think "Every Breathe You Take" is a romantic song. Guys, it's a song about a creepy stalker!
It saddens me how people just drop every self-respect because "well that proves s/he loves me!" well no, it doesn't, actually. It's just possessivity. Which is almost the opposite of love. Because you know, if you really love someone, you'd rather have them happy without you than miserable with you.
Anyways. I only saw an abridged version of the Twilight movie but it was pretty bad. I believe at some point there was a scene that went "oh no, he sucked her blood and as a result the poison is in her veins and she's going to become a vampire! I, another vampire, am going to suck her blood to get the poison out, and that totally won't be the exact same thing that put it in in the first place, so obviously she's not going to turn into a vampire anymore"
And I would say Twilight, for what I understand, is not just "porn without the sex". It's "porn of not-sex". Like, the porn part is the sexual tension and frustration, the fact that no, they can't do it, he can't bite her, they really wish they could but they won't because it would be a bad idea, even if it's never really explained why.
I guess if the target is girls who have never had sex, it makes sense that it would talk to them.
Hey! Exactly what I think
By the way ... I also get this feeling with the song "Eye in the Sky" by Alan Parsons Project.
*sees this*
*cries for the rest of the evening*
I saw it and went "yummy". Doesn't look disgusting at all. It's probably chocolate.
Only through exposure will I grow stronger
If only that worked for crappy movies.
You will see a new level of terrible. Sometimes it's funny and pays off, but for the most part, they're so bad my brain wants to go into a coma to escape it.
And yet it sounds like you keep watching them... Trying the Exodus Method?
Also on that note, one of my favorite articles.
That's where I get the majority of my bad movies these days. I have to intentionally look for the stinkers in any genre but horror, though. I've seen a lot of fantastic films while under the impression that they'd be awful.
EDIT: Speaking of bad movies, just watched The Happening with Rifftrax. I can't tell if the movie or the commentary was funnier. I take back what I said about needing the trappings of MST to enjoy a riff.
There are a LOT of amateur filmmaking communities with a lot of people who are actually giving away their own works for free.
And those are equally good/bad to "professional" works.
Tho the cringe factor isn't as big, seeing its "amateurs".
Wow... lot of quotation today...
Fix'd
Just goin by what I've heard, never seen one of his movies
Avistew: ...sometimes you wanna see something bad. Sci Fi Original is bad in an awesome way. Some of these surpassed bad-awesome. I finally had to tell my roommate to CUT IT OUT!
Suro: Netflix is a monthly fee so I didn't have to pay directly for the films. There was good stuff available as well!
God I wish I remembered the name of that terrible vampire horror movie. I'll ask my roommate so you can all enjoy.
Cultists who hold people captive with green flashlights and turn people into aliens by freezing them. It was Ed Wood terrible.
Another crappy Scifi movie I always remember for its crappiness is War of the Worlds 2. Holy crap that was bad. There's no level of bad to describe its badness.
One horror series that seems to be a hit or miss for people that I love to death and have grown up with is the Tremors series. I like all the movies, and even the Z movie material Scifi Channel series that came out and got canceled, if only for having more Burt and Christopher Lloyd. Holy CRAP this was a badass series of films. I just love it to death, and it's always entertained me.
Vampires from outerspace with Patric stuart? I hope thats the one because it's hilarious.
Twilight? :P
Oh god yes. Especially when they get Bruce Campbell. I swear, that man could punch himself in the face for two hours and it'd (deservedly) become a cult classic.
My name is bruce is all i'm going to say...god I love that movie.
There.
It's not rated, but if it was it'd be R. I recall there being nudity... shocking I know!
It has bad production values, terrible acting, and a horrendous plot. But there's a few points in the movie that were SO BAD that they were literally glorious. If you REALLY want to suffer, go for it. This is the best I can offer.
Hail to the King, baby.
I love Something Weird.
:eek: This is one of my favourite films, allthough I can see why it may not be to everyones taste. There's a fantastic short film called Hotel Chevalier which was shown in cinemas as The Darjeeling Limited Part 1 (Natalie Portman gets her tits out!) which gives more depth to Jason Schwartzman's character. Some jokes would be missed without watching it but sounds like you really didn't like this film!
As for worst film i'd have to go with Troll 2. Watching that was a surreal experience, don't watch if your scared of goblins and plants
How do Natalie Portman's breasts add to Jason Schwartzman's character?