Doctor Who goes episodic... but not with Telltale

edited July 2010 in General Chat
I know there are a couple of threads about this, but I thought I'd make a new one since there's been official news here.
Broken Sword creator Charles Cecil and Sheffield-based studio Sumo Digital have been signed up to make Doctor Who: The Adventure Games.

The episodic, PC/Mac games are billed as an extra four episodes for the new 13-show series five run which began in the UK during the Easter weekend.

But most importantly: the games are made in very close collaboration with the show's new production team - and they are completely free.

The Adventure Games consist of four downloads of around 250MB featuring the eponymous Doctor and his companion Amy in encounters with iconic enemies - actors Matt Smith and Karen Gillan have supplied their likeness and voices to the game.

You might know Sumo Digital from games such as Virtua Tennis and New International Track & Field, and of course Charles Cecil as the creator of the Broken Sword series. The games will be released for free (the BBC can't charge for its content) through the official Doctor Who website.

So there we go! Apparently it was commissioned in early 2009, so this has been planned for a long time. Here's an indepth interview with Stefan Moffat and Piers Wenger for more details about 'The Adventure Games'.
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  • edited April 2010
    Pinchpenny wrote: »
    I know there are a couple of threads about this, but I thought I'd make a new one since there's been official news here.



    You might know Sumo Digital from games such as Virtua Tennis and New International Track & Field, and of course Charles Cecil as the creator of the Broken Sword series. The games will be released for free (the BBC can't charge for its content) through the official Doctor Who website.

    So there we go! Apparently it was commissioned in early 2009, so this has been planned for a long time. Here's an indepth interview with Stefan Moffat and Piers Wenger for more details about 'The Adventure Games'.

    That is really awesome that Dr. WHo gets game, and that people are following telltales example.
  • edited April 2010
    There's also a Wii one in collaboration with Nintendo which has been announced. Plus there have been other Doctor Who video game which have been released in the past:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Doctor_Who_video_games
  • edited April 2010
    vitas wrote: »
    There's also a Wii one in collaboration with Nintendo which has been announced. Plus there have been other Doctor Who video game which have been released in the past:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Doctor_Who_video_games

    The wii one was confirmed fake by nintendo a while back.
  • puzzleboxpuzzlebox Telltale Alumni
    edited April 2010
    Oh gosh, I don't know whether to be excited or nervous! Thanks for the article/interview links.
    Pinchpenny wrote: »
    You might know Sumo Digital from games such as Virtua Tennis and New International Track & Field, and of course Charles Cecil as the creator of the Broken Sword series.

    Sumo worked on the last Broken Sword game too (The Angel of Death). The involvement of Cecil Charles bodes well, as does Steven Moffat overseeing the project and ensuring it's "aligned" with the TV series and generally feels like a Who experience. It'll be interesting to find out more about the gameplay.
    Pinchpenny wrote: »
    The games will be released for free (the BBC can't charge for its content) through the official Doctor Who website.

    That's awesome! It means I have nothing to lose except my respect for everyone involved in the project, and precious moments of my own existence. :D

    I'll wait to see more before allowing my usual overexcitement to run rampant, but it sounds promising!

    EDIT: Some screenshots from Tech Digest.
  • edited April 2010
    puzzlebox wrote: »
    Oh gosh, I don't know whether to be excited or nervous! Thanks for the article/interview links.



    Sumo worked on the last Broken Sword game too (The Angel of Death). The involvement of Cecil Charles bodes well, as does Steven Moffat overseeing the project and ensuring it's "aligned" with the TV series and generally feels like a Who experience. It'll be interesting to find out more about the gameplay.



    That's awesome! It means I have nothing to lose except my respect for everyone involved in the project, and precious moments of my own existence. :D

    I'll wait to see more before allowing my usual overexcitement to run rampant, but it sounds promising!

    EDIT: Some screenshots from Tech Digest.

    See your doing what I do, so proud.
  • edited April 2010
    I have a sneaky suspicion it'll be region locked. Afterall, the rest of the world doesn't pay for the BBC;s license fees (i think).
  • edited April 2010
    How do you region lock a downloadable game? I mean, sure they can prevent you from downloading it from the BBC using IP filtering (as per iPlayer) but once the game is out there, people will share it... and how could they be doing anything wrong when it's already FREE?
  • edited April 2010
    Maybe it has to connect to the Internet and find your IP before you can play it? But I doubt they would be that mean.
  • edited April 2010
    Molokov wrote: »
    How do you region lock a downloadable game? I mean, sure they can prevent you from downloading it from the BBC using IP filtering (as per iPlayer) but once the game is out there, people will share it... and how could they be doing anything wrong when it's already FREE?
    Yes, but it'll still be offputting to a large portion of potential consumers. Plus, you'd have to get it from shady websites. Personally, i think everyone should have access to it, but the BBC may have other ideas.

    How is Doctor who aired other their? On bbc worldwide? Or on SciFi (syfy?)? I know they don't bother with filters on the bbc worldwide stuff (on Youtube, they haven't filtered out their old doctor who episodes (1960's->80's) that they uploaded onto their channel, or at least thats what i gather from the comments.
  • edited April 2010
    The Logo
    adventure_02.jpg

    Some Concept art
    adventure_concept_02.jpg
    A world full of danger and mystery

    adventure_concept_04.jpg
    A creepily familiar alien skyline
    adventure_concept_03.jpg
    All new corridors to run down
    adventure_concept_06.jpg
    A new alien world of adventure
    adventure_concept_01.jpg
    Exploring icy caves

    And some Gameplay Snaps
    adventure_10.jpg
    Thats London, i think, although the caption reads How much for a taxi to Gallifrey?
    adventure_05.jpg
    What's Amy seen?
    adventure_07.jpg
    The Cybermen are coming (one thing i would like to point out, is that they aren't the cybus industries parallel cybermen!)

    More images on the official Doctor who website
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_100408_01/adventure_games
  • edited April 2010
    Can't wait for this!
  • edited April 2010
    Friar wrote: »
    Yes, but it'll still be offputting to a large portion of potential consumers. Plus, you'd have to get it from shady websites. Personally, i think everyone should have access to it, but the BBC may have other ideas.

    How is Doctor who aired other their? On bbc worldwide? Or on SciFi (syfy?)? I know they don't bother with filters on the bbc worldwide stuff (on Youtube, they haven't filtered out their old doctor who episodes (1960's->80's) that they uploaded onto their channel, or at least thats what i gather from the comments.

    In the US, I think it's on BBC America. In Australia, it's on the ABC (which is funded by the Government).

    In fact, Australia's ABC's iView (similar to BBC's iPlayer or other channel's streaming video) will get the new Doctor Who next Friday, 2 days before it airs on broadcast television here.

    I'm hoping the games are made available to other networks that air the show for free, or the BBC just realises there's no point trying to DRM a game they're releasing for free and just allow anyone to get it worldwide.

    I doubt there would be anything in a Doctor Who game that makes it unsuitable for all ages... well maybe parents should stop their 5 year olds from playing it alone, but ages 10+ are pretty safe with Doctor Who.
  • edited April 2010
    Haha, dang, I am not surprised. If the concept art is anything to go by though, these will be a great series of games.
  • puzzleboxpuzzlebox Telltale Alumni
    edited April 2010
    Friar wrote: »
    adventure_10.jpg
    Thats London, i think, although the caption reads How much for a taxi to Gallifrey?


    Yep, that's London - a ruined Trafalgar Square in fact.

    Trafalgar%20Square.jpg
  • edited April 2010
    Man, why didn't they jsut let Revolution do this if they got Charles Cecil on board, more waiting for Broken Sword 5 now.

    Game looks good though :p
  • edited April 2010
    JedExodus wrote: »
    Man, why didn't they jsut let Revolution do this if they got Charles Cecil on board, more waiting for Broken Sword 5 now.

    Game looks good though :p

    Because Revolution only has two full time employees now (based on an interview with Cecil in February this year), they get in freelancers and the like or use another studio when making their games (like Sumo Digital). I'd guess the BBC went to Cecil about the project and he got Sumo Digital involved.

    As for Revolution, I don't think BS5 will be here anytime soon. In a recent (last month) post on the Revolution forum Tony Warriner stated what they are currently working on now:

    (broken sword) pc/mac director's cut
    (broken sword) iPad director's cut
    a new-ip non-adventure Pocket-Revolution game
    a new-ip Revolution adventure design
    the broken sword movie script
  • edited April 2010
    puzzlebox wrote: »
    Yep, that's London - a ruined Trafalgar Square in fact.

    Trafalgar%20Square.jpg

    I really need to go back there. I didn't recognise it without the mock-energy efficient seethrough house that was there last time...
  • edited April 2010
    @CorruptBiggins Yeah but I spied a post on the forum saying they do plan a BS5 in 2D at some point, so we've gotta play the waiting game
  • edited April 2010
    Niiice.
  • edited April 2010
    Looks good, I can't wait.
  • edited April 2010
    my only response, as shown on my twitter, HOLY AWESOME!!!
  • edited April 2010
    I'd guess the BBC went to Cecil about the project and he got Sumo Digital involved.
    I can confirm this. There's a big 6-page feature about this in the new issue of the UK PC Gamer (which I got yesterday, yay for subscriptions) that says that the BBC team went for Charles Cecil, due to his 'authority and credibility in the gaming world', if I may paraphrase slightly. As for Sumo Digital...
    PC Gamer wrote:
    The contract was put out to tender, and when the pitches were considered, Sheffield's Sumo Digital of Broken Sword IV fame came out on top.
    They aced it with a demo that showed an understanding of the key fantasy of Doctor Who. A feature that manages to be so obvious, but still obviously moving for the BBC. 'The made the TARDIS bigger on the inside than the outside,' says [Stephen] Moffat. 'I don't mean by cutting [from one shot to another]. But you walk. You control the little fella, and he walks in... and it's bigger on the inside. That's it. We could fake that up on television, but to be able to physically do it and discover it really is bigger on the inside... that's the central magic of Doctor Who made flesh, for the first time ever.'
    ...I think it's in good hands.
  • edited April 2010
    Good stuff.
  • edited April 2010
    I remember reading that Telltale was negotiating with the BBC to get the rights to make a Doctor Who game series. I can't help but think that it might have backfired... "Well, we've considered your proposal, and we've decided to create a new series of Doctor Who adventure games... just not with you. Thanks for the idea, though!"

    Ah, well. At least someone else is getting into the episodic adventure game business. Competition can be troublesome at times, but if you're the only one doing what you're doing, you just can't help but feel unsettled that nobody else is even trying it. That and there wouldn't be as much incentive to improve.
  • edited April 2010
    BiggerJ wrote: »
    I remember reading that Telltale was negotiating with the BBC to get the rights to make a Doctor Who game series. I can't help but think that it might have backfired... "Well, we've considered your proposal, and we've decided to create a new series of Doctor Who adventure games... just not with you. Thanks for the idea, though!"

    Ah, well. At least someone else is getting into the episodic adventure game business. Competition can be troublesome at times, but if you're the only one doing what you're doing, you just can't help but feel unsettled that nobody else is even trying it. That and there wouldn't be as much incentive to improve.

    True, but seeing as the doctor who games are going to be free, it's not going to affect TTG's profits too much (given that Sam&Max S3 can only be bought as a whole, and will have at least the first episode out by then, so most people will have already payed for it)
  • edited April 2010
    As for Revolution, I don't think BS5 will be here anytime soon. In a recent (last month) post on the Revolution forum Tony Warriner stated what they are currently working on now:

    (broken sword) pc/mac director's cut
    (broken sword) iPad director's cut
    a new-ip non-adventure Pocket-Revolution game
    a new-ip Revolution adventure design
    the broken sword movie script

    WHAT?! Awesome!
  • edited April 2010
    I wouldn't get your hopes up, pluizig. Like the Bioshock movie, it'll probably end up in developmental hell. Or be another Max Payne. *shudders*
  • edited April 2010
    the new doctor who game will b awesome cant w8
  • edited April 2010
    I wouldn't get your hopes up, pluizig. Like the Bioshock movie, it'll probably end up in developmental hell. Or be another Max Payne. *shudders*

    Actually, IGN recently mentioned that the Bioshock movie already is in pre-production, which is good news :)

    Also, hooray for more adventure games!
  • edited April 2010
    Okay, so replace Bioshock with Gears of War.
  • edited April 2010
    This comes out june 2010 it looks awesome
  • edited April 2010
    BiggerJ wrote: »
    I remember reading that Telltale was negotiating with the BBC to get the rights to make a Doctor Who game series.

    Hmm... did they actually approach the Beeb? I know that a couple of Telltale people on this forum made remarks along the lines of "yes, we think it's a good idea, too, wonder how we can go about it..." but was there any more to it than that?

    Remember, in any case, these BBC games are not a commercial activity. If the BBC want to move into a moneymaking game, there's still a chance....
  • edited April 2010
    Friar wrote: »
    True, but seeing as the doctor who games are going to be free, it's not going to affect TTG's profits too much (given that Sam&Max S3 can only be bought as a whole, and will have at least the first episode out by then, so most people will have already payed for it)

    Well, because it was tendered out, the way it would have worked if TTG were on board instead, would be roughly as follows:

    TTG: We can do this really cool looking thing, and we'll do it for $xx,xxx
    BBC: Okay, you've got the contract, sign here
    TTG: *signs here*
    BBC: right, here's $xx,xxx - go make our game!

    Long story short, TTG would still have made a lot of money!
  • edited April 2010
    zmally wrote: »
    Well, because it was tendered out, the way it would have worked if TTG were on board instead, would be roughly as follows:

    TTG: We can do this really cool looking thing, and we'll do it for $xx,xxx
    BBC: Okay, you've got the contract, sign here
    TTG: *signs here*
    BBC: right, here's $xx,xxx - go make our game!

    Long story short, TTG would still have made a lot of money!
    I misunderstood, i thought you meant in terms of there being extra competition, cutting their profits.
  • edited April 2010
    If the game was being made as far back as it apparently was, it's possible that by the time Telltale asked them about it, they had already licensed it to somebody else.
  • edited April 2010
    doctor who adventures is free yay to download with gr8 graphics there will b 4 downloads
  • edited April 2010
    LuigiHann wrote: »
    If the game was being made as far back as it apparently was, it's possible that by the time Telltale asked them about it, they had already licensed it to somebody else.

    Well, they were still looking for a developer back in late January. Click here
  • edited April 2010
    Originally Posted by PC Gamer
    'The made the TARDIS bigger on the inside than the outside,' says [Stephen] Moffat. 'I don't mean by cutting [from one shot to another]. But you walk. You control the little fella, and he walks in... and it's bigger on the inside. That's it. We could fake that up on television, but to be able to physically do it and discover it really is bigger on the inside... that's the central magic of Doctor Who made flesh, for the first time ever.'

    Stephen Moffat realises there's more to computers than virtual pong? :)
  • edited April 2010
    I think it was more a case of other developers making big, fancy engines and spiffy particle effects while Sumo Digital focused on what made Doctor Who... well, Doctor Who. But I'm just guessing at that.
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