I liked it in the theater. Then I came out of the theater and asked myself
"Why the fuck was Dr. McCoy injecting a Tribble with Khan's blood in the first place? WHAT SCIENTIFIC SENSE DOES THAT MAKE? Is this some kind of sick hobby where he just injects dead things with other things blood? Why did he inject the entire sample? Why didn't he look at it under a microscope? Do they not have microscopes in the twenty-third century anymore? What about sequencing? How would the blood do anything at all anyways as there's no DNA in blood cells? Was it magic?"
and the movie fell apart from there.
Still decent enough as the acting was pretty good and it's always great to see Harold driving a starship, but does not suffer poking well.
None of the Star Trek movies do if you really get down to it. I actually read some of the spoilers for the movie beforehand and thought they were ridiculous, but watching them, they worked.
Went to see Star Trek: Into Darkness tonight. - 9.975/10
This is an absolutely fantastic movie. Go see it. In the theatre. PLEASE. No, it's not like the original show and movies, and yes, at the same time it absolutely also is exactly like them.
None of the Star Trek movies do if you really get down to it. I actually read some of the spoilers for the movie beforehand and thought they were ridiculous, but watching them, they worked.
That one thing though... it broke my suspension of disbelief. I just couldn't rationalize why he would do that. I mean, at least in the original TOS movies they tried to at least make things that sounded like they might be possible. And in TNG they went ahead and explained how things worked in a way that might have been possible.
I actually read some of the spoilers for the movie beforehand and thought they were ridiculous, but watching them, they worked.
Yeah, pretty much this.
I think if you don't know about them and then see the film, you'll find them distracting, but if you do know about them beforehand and have gotten the "OMGWTFBETRAYAL!" out of the way, they work quite well given the context they're used in.
Three things I forgot to mention.
1) The new Klingons look ridiculous, especially the one with all the metal rings on his ridges. I had to hold back a snigger when I saw that, it was just silly. And the helmets had forehead ridges! Ha!
2)
Spock's KHAAAAAAAAN! just didn't feel right. Like, at all. I get he was upset and stuff, but Spock just isn't the sort of character who would ever do that. Felt very, very odd.
3)
Khan's blood was actually foreshadowed with Noel Clark and his daughter (beautiful scenes, he did a great job with so little to work with), so quite why they had to smack our faces with it via the Tribble is beyond me. That could have been handled a LOT smoother.
When I started watching this movie, I was beginning to wonder if they weren't just remaking the first movie with less characters who died for the sake of horror. Then the action started picking up and I went along for the ride.
This time around, Ash is a bit less everyman and a lot more badass, and all the better for it. And his acting is a lot crazier as well, which is ever so appropriate for this movie. I don't think I've ever seen such expressive eyebrows on an actor before.
The rest of the cast is pretty good as well, filling the gaps that were left by the original cast. Hot replacement girl? Check. Fat, southern bastard? Check. Pointless appointed love interest? Double check.
In terms of horror, this movie is just as good as the original, if only a bit campier. I didn't expect much more than before, but this movie delivered the bloody deaths and action in spades. And daggers and chainsaws.
In terms of story, it's a bit more complex this time, but no overly so. Sam Raimi seems to realize that people don't come to horror movies for story. They come for the blood and death. But the story is well explained, as to appease the critics.
Overall, Evil Dead 2 is bloody good fun and really a good movie that stands on its own merits, unlike a lot of modern horror flicks. I believe Ash Williams himself described this film best.
I liked it in the theater. Then I came out of the theater and asked myself
"Why the fuck was Dr. McCoy injecting a Tribble with Khan's blood in the first place? WHAT SCIENTIFIC SENSE DOES THAT MAKE? Is this some kind of sick hobby where he just injects dead things with other things blood? Why did he inject the entire sample? Why didn't he look at it under a microscope? Do they not have microscopes in the twenty-third century anymore? What about sequencing? How would the blood do anything at all anyways as there's no DNA in blood cells? Was it magic?"
and the movie fell apart from there.
Still decent enough as the acting was pretty good and it's always great to see Harold driving a starship, but does not suffer poking well.
That one thing though... it broke my suspension of disbelief. I just couldn't rationalize why he would do that. I mean, at least in the original TOS movies they tried to at least make things that sounded like they might be possible. And in TNG they went ahead and explained how things worked in a way that might have been possible.
But that one scene. That was just like magic.
The science in these movies has never been that great. They consistently abuse dramatic time, not to mention most of the movies(except 5 and 6) all have that "Enterprise is the only ship in range" baloney. Oh, and in Star Trek 4, the Bird of Prey had quite a few lights and power going for a ship that had just been "drained" by the giant space Ho-Ho. Oh, and Genesis can not only terraform a lifeless moon into a habitable world, it can turn a freaking nebula into a star AND a planet. I may love Trek, but I will rip it to shreds just to prove that the hate against the JJ Timeline is stupid. There are more ridiculous storylines in the last season of the original series and the first two seasons of Next Gen than ANYTHING JJ Abrams could conceive.
Also, McCoy was testing a hypothesis on how regenerative Khan's blood might be. Best test subject is something that few people will miss. Seriously, who would miss a dead tribble?
1) The new Klingons look ridiculous, especially the one with all the metal rings on his ridges. I had to hold back a snigger when I saw that, it was just silly. And the helmets had forehead ridges! Ha!
I didn't see anything ridiculous about the Klingons. Or anything new. Having the helmets can imply that some Klingons wear them to hide the shame of being a smooth-brow. And frankly, the one that took off his helmet looked like a darker-skinned General Chang who got one too many piercings, big deal. Side note, the reason that Klingon was bald is cause the hair kept getting stuck to the helmet when he took it off.:p
Also, McCoy was testing a hypothesis on how regenerative Khan's blood might be. Best test subject is something that few people will miss. Seriously, who would miss a dead tribble?
Okay, supposing that there's some magic protein in the blood that can cure anything. Why inject the entire sample? I mean, if it works, he's got nothing left to work with! And if it doesn't work, he needs another sample to try other tests on. Since they have no guarantee that they'll have Khan for long, why would he waste a potentially limited resource testing out a vague hypothesis on a tribble? Why not run other tests on it at the same time?
I understand that lots of Trek has bad science, but at least usually it has some sort of logic to it and makes sense within the situation that is being presented. This particular bit had a quite a bit less than usual. And I'm saying this after being okay with the red matter from the first one (though, I still don't understand why Spock had so much to begin with. Maybe he was planning on visiting a few other novas that day.)
Okay, supposing that there's some magic protein in the blood that can cure anything. Why inject the entire sample? I mean, if it works, he's got nothing left to work with! And if it doesn't work, he needs another sample to try other tests on. Since they have no guarantee that they'll have Khan for long, why would he waste a potentially limited resource testing out a vague hypothesis on a tribble? Why not run other tests on it at the same time?
I understand that lots of Trek has bad science, but at least usually it has some sort of logic to it and makes sense within the situation that is being presented. This particular bit had a quite a bit less than usual. And I'm saying this after being okay with the red matter from the first one (though, I still don't understand why Spock had so much to begin with. Maybe he was planning on visiting a few other novas that day.)
*shrugs* McCoy is only human.
Also, I doubt he was planning on Khan getting the drop on Kirk. Neither did Kirk. He fully expected the guy who got hit with STUN to stay down, not get back up, curb stomp him and Scotty, break Carol's leg, and then squish Admiral Marcus's head like one of Gallagher's watermelons. That was probably one of the more gruesome deaths in Trek.
Going to see Iron Man 3 today and seeing Into Darkness a second time. Hopefully it'll all be good! I've been hearing very mixed opinions on Iron Man 3.
I liked Iron Man 3 much more than Into Darkness. Because, while Iron Man 3 had its host of problems... I didn't find myself caring that much. In the context of the film, things made sense and I liked the new things that they brought to the table instead of mindlessly following the source material. Still a big dumb action movie... but I like big dumb action movies. That and it went somewhere.
Half in the Bag did a really good job of analyzing Into Darkness. They highlighted one thing that was probably what I was trying to say. The movie didn't bring anything new. Sure, there were changes, which count for some people, but if we look at it, it's basically the same as the first movie.
You've got a guy from a different time looking for revenge (again). Kirk has to learn to become a leader (again), Spock has to learn to have emotions (again), Ohura has to learn to love Spock despite his lack of emotions (again), Scotty has to be separated from the crew and have some ingenius solution to fix everything at the last minute (again), Bones, Sulu, and Chekhov are just there (again), there's a ginormous starship that they have to fight (again), and the entire thing boils down to a fist fight in the end (again). Everything else just serves as window dressing.
Also, they took a bunch of the punch out of Khan. I mean, for a superior super genius being, it did seem that everyone and their grandmother managed to pull the wool over his eyes at least once in the movie. I mean, in previous appearances, Khan totally creamed the Enterprise with a much less powerful ship, which shows off his inventive, savage genius. In Into Darkness he can't even beat Kirk in a bigger ship which shows... that he's lame? I don't know. Also, a lot of his plan didn't make sense, like hiding all his buddies in torpedos. I mean, what if Kirk had just launched the torpedos? Then his buddies would be dead, and so would he.
Also, going back to the tribble. Why did that even work? Tribbles don't have human blood, human proteins shouldn't do jack shit to them. And even if it did, there's no proof that it would work the same way on a human. I still don't understand that. I also don't understand why nobody told Bones that all the other frozen people in the torpedos were also super enhanced beings. Actually, I thought in the theater that when he asked someone to crack open a cryo tube, he was going to grab a bit of blood from them and do a follow up test. You know, make sure that it wasn't just that he'd gotten hold of a nearly dead tribble instead of a totally dead one. Or just test to see if their blood would work on a radiation killed tribble before sending Spock off on a suicidal fetch quest.
Just got back from Iron Man 3. Unlike Star Trek, kinda hard to put a number to it after this viewing, so I'll just say I enjoyed the hell out of it.
Man, they really threw poor Tony through the wringer on this one. Both physically and emotionally. And for a minute, I thought Pepper was leaving him when she wanted to get out of the house, but she said "We need to leave" so whew. Didn't think she was THAT pissed. Loved Tony's Mark 42, but he needs a lot more fine-tuning on the systems for it. Loved the new WAR MACHINE. Iron Patriot is such a dumb name lol. Not sure about the Extremis stuff, I don't know how it played out in the comics. Enjoyed the bits with the kid, though Tony was a bit of a douche. But my favorite, absolute FAVORITE part was at the end when Tony was pretty much screwed and Killian was bearing down on him, and then PEPPER saved Tony's ass! I LOVED THAT! Bout time she gets to kick ass. Get her a suit for the next movie please and thanks. Gonna be odd seeing Tony without the little circle of light on his chest now. Oh, and damn you Banner! How could you fall asleep throughout that whole thing?!
I view that the whole "Banner falling asleep" thing went down like this. Tony started telling this story about a party that he went to thirteen years ago, Banner files it under "shit I don't need to know" and falls asleep.
lol 6/10. It's...pretty much what you expect from an older action star. I hated the
car race
at the end, but otherwise, it was pretty okay. It probably helped that the secondary villain(Stormare, the guy in the Coen Bros. movies) looked exactly like a guy I used to work with.
I view that the whole "Banner falling asleep" thing went down like this. Tony started telling this story about a party that he went to thirteen years ago, Banner files it under "shit I don't need to know" and falls asleep.
lol probably. Speaking of the party, I loved the Yen Sid cameo.
Re-animator, Bride of Re-animator, Beyond Re-animator
Damn, all of these were good in a horrible cheesy way. Herbert West was, of course, the star of the show, being the re-animator and all and his pitying glances directed at all the idiots surrounding him were totally worth the price of admission. And the weird monsters, of which there were plenty. Wish I'd watched these sooner so that this could be my second viewing, if that makes any sense.
If it doesn't, that's okay too as it's four thirty and I'm shocked, shocked, shocked that I can still type straight.
Re-animator, Bride of Re-animator, Beyond Re-animator
Damn, all of these were good in a horrible cheesy way. Herbert West was, of course, the star of the show, being the re-animator and all and his pitying glances directed at all the idiots surrounding him were totally worth the price of admission. And the weird monsters, of which there were plenty. Wish I'd watched these sooner so that this could be my second viewing, if that makes any sense.
If it doesn't, that's okay too as it's four thirty and I'm shocked, shocked, shocked that I can still type straight.
Wait...you're saying there are "good" films based on Lovecraft's works?!
EDIT: By the way...SCREW IRON MAN 3! They just had to start the movie off with that "Blue (da ba dee)" song and now I can't get it out of my head!
Re-animator is great, Bride is okay, Beyond is shitty. It's enjoyably shitty, but it's not a good movie by any means.
Agreed.
Re-animator is one of my favourite films, it's so ridiculous. I love Jeffrey Combs. Beyond Re-animator though, although I don't really like I have watched it at least 3 times.
From Beyond is another Lovecraft story directed by Stuart Gordon and starring Jeffrey Combs. It's also ridiculous and disgusting but not horrendously shit. If you ever watch it, don't watch it when you're eating.
I think you missed the bit where I said "horrible". I enjoyed them immensely, though, because they were so over the top ridiculous with the weird monsters and buckets of fake blood and because of Herbert West, who should never be left alone with a dead body, or even parts ever.
My "good" rating is that they were incredibly fun to watch, right through bad plot, terrible special effects, unmemorable characters, ridiculous dialogue... somehow the mixture created something amazing. I just had to keep watching to see what would happen next. It was a good type of bad movie, not the type where I just fall asleep fifteen minutes in.
EDIT (spoilers for Into Darkness):
I also have to say that these movies really opened my eyes about what Doctor McCoy was trying to accomplish in Into Darkness. He'd just watched Re-Animator, and knew that injecting mysterious liquids into individuals was the key to reanimating them. Also, Khan is three hundred years old, which means that if Star Trek is in the twenty-third century, he must have come from the twentieth century. Guess who also came from the twentieth century? Dr. Herbert West! They even look nothing alike! So Khan is really West after he perfected the reanimating serum, gave himself a dose (which turned him into Benedict Cumberbatch), and now he has magic blood that can reanimate people as a result. Which means that in the next movie, Kirk will probably go insane and try to eat someone's face, because these things never work like they claim on the tin. Especially when West is involved.
The end of Beyond Re-Animator was just so cornball and hilarious I can't not give it a good score. But the rest of it was pretty awful and I don't remember any of the character's names nor did I care about anyone who wasn't Herbert West.
And then the junkie guy showed up and everything was suddenly better.
As I said before, Trek fans don't know what the heck they want. They complain because JJ's Trek isn't scientific enough, when with the Prime universe, they complained about too much treknobabble. Oh, and nevermind rampant inconsistencies like Klingons only having pink blood in ST6, or how Khan knows Chekov's face in ST2 despite that Chekov wasn't on the show yet when Space Seed aired.
The violence had nothing but thought behind it. I'm not just going to let this SLIDE. Oh no. I like you, but I wouldn't let this slide from anybody. You decided to come in here and start mouthing off without having a CLUE what you're talking about, and you have made yourself my bitch now.
Comments
None of the Star Trek movies do if you really get down to it. I actually read some of the spoilers for the movie beforehand and thought they were ridiculous, but watching them, they worked.
This is an absolutely fantastic movie. Go see it. In the theatre. PLEASE. No, it's not like the original show and movies, and yes, at the same time it absolutely also is exactly like them.
That one thing though... it broke my suspension of disbelief. I just couldn't rationalize why he would do that. I mean, at least in the original TOS movies they tried to at least make things that sounded like they might be possible. And in TNG they went ahead and explained how things worked in a way that might have been possible.
But that one scene. That was just like magic.
I think if you don't know about them and then see the film, you'll find them distracting, but if you do know about them beforehand and have gotten the "OMGWTFBETRAYAL!" out of the way, they work quite well given the context they're used in.
Three things I forgot to mention.
1) The new Klingons look ridiculous, especially the one with all the metal rings on his ridges. I had to hold back a snigger when I saw that, it was just silly. And the helmets had forehead ridges! Ha!
2)
3)
When I started watching this movie, I was beginning to wonder if they weren't just remaking the first movie with less characters who died for the sake of horror. Then the action started picking up and I went along for the ride.
This time around, Ash is a bit less everyman and a lot more badass, and all the better for it. And his acting is a lot crazier as well, which is ever so appropriate for this movie. I don't think I've ever seen such expressive eyebrows on an actor before.
The rest of the cast is pretty good as well, filling the gaps that were left by the original cast. Hot replacement girl? Check. Fat, southern bastard? Check. Pointless appointed love interest? Double check.
In terms of horror, this movie is just as good as the original, if only a bit campier. I didn't expect much more than before, but this movie delivered the bloody deaths and action in spades. And daggers and chainsaws.
In terms of story, it's a bit more complex this time, but no overly so. Sam Raimi seems to realize that people don't come to horror movies for story. They come for the blood and death. But the story is well explained, as to appease the critics.
Overall, Evil Dead 2 is bloody good fun and really a good movie that stands on its own merits, unlike a lot of modern horror flicks. I believe Ash Williams himself described this film best.
"Groovy."
9/10
What a cold-blooded movie.
The science in these movies has never been that great. They consistently abuse dramatic time, not to mention most of the movies(except 5 and 6) all have that "Enterprise is the only ship in range" baloney. Oh, and in Star Trek 4, the Bird of Prey had quite a few lights and power going for a ship that had just been "drained" by the giant space Ho-Ho. Oh, and Genesis can not only terraform a lifeless moon into a habitable world, it can turn a freaking nebula into a star AND a planet. I may love Trek, but I will rip it to shreds just to prove that the hate against the JJ Timeline is stupid. There are more ridiculous storylines in the last season of the original series and the first two seasons of Next Gen than ANYTHING JJ Abrams could conceive.
I understand that lots of Trek has bad science, but at least usually it has some sort of logic to it and makes sense within the situation that is being presented. This particular bit had a quite a bit less than usual. And I'm saying this after being okay with the red matter from the first one (though, I still don't understand why Spock had so much to begin with. Maybe he was planning on visiting a few other novas that day.)
*shrugs* McCoy is only human.
Going to see Iron Man 3 today and seeing Into Darkness a second time. Hopefully it'll all be good! I've been hearing very mixed opinions on Iron Man 3.
Half in the Bag did a really good job of analyzing Into Darkness. They highlighted one thing that was probably what I was trying to say. The movie didn't bring anything new. Sure, there were changes, which count for some people, but if we look at it, it's basically the same as the first movie.
Also, they took a bunch of the punch out of Khan. I mean, for a superior super genius being, it did seem that everyone and their grandmother managed to pull the wool over his eyes at least once in the movie. I mean, in previous appearances, Khan totally creamed the Enterprise with a much less powerful ship, which shows off his inventive, savage genius. In Into Darkness he can't even beat Kirk in a bigger ship which shows... that he's lame? I don't know. Also, a lot of his plan didn't make sense, like hiding all his buddies in torpedos. I mean, what if Kirk had just launched the torpedos? Then his buddies would be dead, and so would he.
Also, going back to the tribble. Why did that even work? Tribbles don't have human blood, human proteins shouldn't do jack shit to them. And even if it did, there's no proof that it would work the same way on a human. I still don't understand that. I also don't understand why nobody told Bones that all the other frozen people in the torpedos were also super enhanced beings. Actually, I thought in the theater that when he asked someone to crack open a cryo tube, he was going to grab a bit of blood from them and do a follow up test. You know, make sure that it wasn't just that he'd gotten hold of a nearly dead tribble instead of a totally dead one. Or just test to see if their blood would work on a radiation killed tribble before sending Spock off on a suicidal fetch quest.
*cries quietly*
Shit.
lol 6/10. It's...pretty much what you expect from an older action star. I hated the
lol probably. Speaking of the party, I loved the Yen Sid cameo.
Damn, all of these were good in a horrible cheesy way. Herbert West was, of course, the star of the show, being the re-animator and all and his pitying glances directed at all the idiots surrounding him were totally worth the price of admission. And the weird monsters, of which there were plenty. Wish I'd watched these sooner so that this could be my second viewing, if that makes any sense.
If it doesn't, that's okay too as it's four thirty and I'm shocked, shocked, shocked that I can still type straight.
Wait...you're saying there are "good" films based on Lovecraft's works?!
EDIT: By the way...SCREW IRON MAN 3! They just had to start the movie off with that "Blue (da ba dee)" song and now I can't get it out of my head!
Agreed.
Re-animator is one of my favourite films, it's so ridiculous. I love Jeffrey Combs. Beyond Re-animator though, although I don't really like I have watched it at least 3 times.
From Beyond is another Lovecraft story directed by Stuart Gordon and starring Jeffrey Combs. It's also ridiculous and disgusting but not horrendously shit. If you ever watch it, don't watch it when you're eating.
My "good" rating is that they were incredibly fun to watch, right through bad plot, terrible special effects, unmemorable characters, ridiculous dialogue... somehow the mixture created something amazing. I just had to keep watching to see what would happen next. It was a good type of bad movie, not the type where I just fall asleep fifteen minutes in.
EDIT (spoilers for Into Darkness):
From Beyond is pretty damn good, especially in creature effects. I need to see Dagon as well. Might watch that soon.
No, no, I mean FROM BEYOND...not Beyond Re-Animator...it's an entirely different Stuart Gordon movie.
I’m not a Trekkie, but it was pretty enjoyable. Especially because of a heavy presence of Sherlock.
Bride of Re-Animator - 9/10
Beyond Re-Animator - 3/10
Final Act of Beyond Re-Animator - 8/10
The end of Beyond Re-Animator was just so cornball and hilarious I can't not give it a good score. But the rest of it was pretty awful and I don't remember any of the character's names nor did I care about anyone who wasn't Herbert West.
And then the junkie guy showed up and everything was suddenly better.
Cumberbatch played an excellent villain. That voice.:eek:
But then again, we all knew that this movie’s villain would be Khan.
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
It is.
Yes. Also, I never liked the original Star Trek series. Too much hesitation in the voice. Also, I think Next Generation was pretty lame, too.
This movie had to grow on me. Now, I think it’s pretty damn good.
Mm-hm.
The movie was more of a crime flick with some comedic elements than a comedy, but the post-credits scene is freaking hilarious.
Good films to watch.
Looking forward to watching Avengers Assemble and finally catch up for Iron Man 3's eventual bluray release