On a side note, does anyone else have a feeling that theres more healing power in the mermaids tear then in the fountain of youth water, I have a feeling that the fountain isn't really all that necissary...
...No? Why would it? Seems that:
1. Mermaids would kind of know about that sort of thing and
our resident mermaid of the group seemed to be quite keen on her tear being used at the end there.
2. There is never any mention of mermaid tears having special powers separate from the fountain itself.
3. The fountain is a big fancy setpiece with weird physics and lots of CGI. Of course it's got strong magic to it, this is a Pirates film, that's how you show a place is magic in a Pirates film.
4. If the tear was the only aspect, then
the procedure wouldn't affect the person that drank water that DIDN'T contain a mermaid's tear. Considering Blackbeard died in an obviously magical way, I think we can be pretty damn sure that the whole process works as stated in the story, and you can take the ritual at face value.
1. Mermaids would kind of know about that sort of thing and
our resident mermaid of the group seemed to be quite keen on her tear being used at the end there.
2. There is never any mention of mermaid tears having special powers separate from the fountain itself.
3. The fountain is a big fancy setpiece with weird physics and lots of CGI. Of course it's got strong magic to it, this is a Pirates film, that's how you show a place is magic in a Pirates film.
4. If the tear was the only aspect, then
the procedure wouldn't affect the person that drank water that DIDN'T contain a mermaid's tear. Considering Blackbeard died in an obviously magical way, I think we can be pretty damn sure that the whole process works as stated in the story, and you can take the ritual at face value.
But the thing is, We don't know a whole lot about mermaids other then the legends told in the film, the whole fountain chamber could have easily been a ritualistic place that an ancient civilization built to surround the healing properties of a mermaids tear.
can it be proved that the ritual needs anything more then 2 identical challaces, some underground spring water, and a mermaids tear, What makes the challaces or the water so special? Has anyone ever tried to do the ritual with just regular spring water? I doubt anyone would have gone to the trouble... I think that probibly all that is needed is for the person who is getting life to drink the tear dilluted in water, and the other person to drink regular water from the same source...
Just look at how syrena was so adamant that she could save philip, she kissed him to make him breathe underwater, and I'll bet you anything that she swam off to do the ritual in another fashion, in a way that DIDN'T require a sacrifice...
I have a feeling that the ritual seen in the movie is some sort of twisted version of a real ritual that the mermaids have, but that humans couldn't use the simpler form of the ritual and didn't understand it, so they twisted it in a way, contaminating it with the evil of their intention, to a point where a sacrifice is needed...
Well, I just saw this movie and it was decent, I suppose. Barbossa was definitely the best part, all the way through. He sorta carried the movie for me and, as always, I found him to be the funniest character (albeit in a very subtle way ).
So yeah, fairly enjoyable. Also, I will have to see about acquiring that soundtrack, as is my wont to do with these things.
I saw the movie two days ago, and I was extremely glad to see Barbossa again, as he is my favourite character in the series. (I didn't add that tag. I was glad to see it though!) In my opinion, it really felt like a new film that started a new story rather than continue one. It had lots of new backstory too, which is good in my opinion. If it indeed evolves into a new trilogy, I hope the other films are like this one. (although this is probably unlikely.)
Tim Burton Alfonso Cuaron Shawn Levy Rob Marshall Sam Raimi Chris Weitz
I'm personally hoping for either Tim Burton, since it would be very interesting to see his take on the franchise, or Alfonso Cuaron, given his amazing resume. However, I would have no problem with Marshall having a second go at directing a Pirates film, because I like what he did with 'On Stranger Tides.'
Am I the only one here who thinks that apart from the soundtracks the sequels in this series are useless?
They could have ended everything after the first movie and I wouldn't miss anything. Except for the great scores by Hans Zimmer for the second and third movie.
Am I the only one here who thinks that apart from the soundtracks the sequels in this series are useless? They could have ended everything after the first movie and I wouldn't miss anything.
Well, yes, the series COULD have ended after the first film, but I (and many others) got so much enjoyment out of the second, third (yes, even the third) and fourth films that I would hate to not have them around. They might not have had the originality of the first film, and the novelty might have been lost, and some people might say that the sequels fed off and emulated the first film too much, but we still got to witness great action, great humour and great fun from seeing likeable characters thrown into new and exciting situations. If the possibility is there to create sequels that aren't blatant ripoffs of their predecessor(s), and are enjoyed by many, then why not make them?
Except for the great scores by Hans Zimmer for the second and third movie.
Oh, you're not fond of the 'On Stranger Tides' soundtrack? Or you just haven't heard it yet?
Tim Burton Alfonso Cuaron Shawn Levy Rob Marshall Sam Raimi Chris Weitz
I'm personally hoping for either Tim Burton, since it would be very interesting to see his take on the franchise, or Alfonso Cuaron, given his amazing resume. However, I would have no problem with Marshall having a second go at directing a Pirates film, because I like what he did with 'On Stranger Tides.'
Only ones I have any knowledge of are Tim Burton and Sam Raimi. Tim Burton has made great movies, and I think he's quite unique, even if he's tricks are starting to shine through. At least his movies stand out. Him and Johnny Depp work great together, so him being behind the fifth movie wouldn't mind me at all.
I only know Sam Raimi through the Spartacus tv-series, and both of them (Blood and Sand, and Gods of the Arena) are excellent and probably my favourite TV series of all time. The story-telling is actually very good in these, so I wouldn't mind seeing him at the wheel either.
Oh god .... I would hate Tim Burton as the director... I like a few of his movies but he is not a director you should hire for an established franchise because he usually does not respect the source material's style he will make it his own style that he actually has ripped off from the artist/writer Edward Gory.
Do we really want to see Jack's face painted pure white and his clothes switched to black and white stripes?
Edward Scissorhand, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Sweeney Todd all are very different to me, apart from the Tim Burton weirdness to them. And even if they WERE the same, there's still no other people (that I know of) that does the stuff that he does, and successfully. That makes his movies stand out.
Besides, if the next movie happened to be a ghost story, his character styles would certain work for the ghosts. It's not like Jack Sparrow or Barbossa or his crew are suddenly going to be white face and wear makeup. Jack is already halfway there with his black makeup around his eyes, I'm sure he'll settle with that.
This needs to go in the Cannot Unsee thread. Immediately. Because I will never be able to look at Pirates of the Caribbean without this image taunting me at the back of my mind.
Beards and mustache isn't Burton-ish, as far as I an remember, if not having those and looking a little more Edward Scissor hands-ish I'd buy it Irishmile. Awesome photoshop.
I'm not sure whether I should be scared of or impressed by the realistic photoshop. I hope Tim Burton doesn't get attached to Pirates 5; we'll end up with some sort of ungodly cross between Alice in Wonderland and Treasure Island.
Well, yes, the series COULD have ended after the first film, but I (and many others) got so much enjoyment out of the second, third (yes, even the third) and fourth films that I would hate to not have them around. They might not have had the originality of the first film, and the novelty might have been lost, and some people might say that the sequels fed off and emulated the first film too much, but we still got to witness great action, great humour and great fun from seeing likeable characters thrown into new and exciting situations. If the possibility is there to create sequels that aren't blatant ripoffs of their predecessor(s), and are enjoyed by many, then why not make them?
I think everybody's sort of exaggerating with what Burton may potentially do with the franchise. Yeah, the guy might be eccentric, his movies might be a little pretentious or too 'art-y,' but the guy isn't stupid, and is by no means crazy enough to take such a large and beloved franchise into such a new direction. Yes, the changes might be notable if he were to take the reigns, and perhaps it would feel different, and there's the possibility of it not being as good, but there's no way he'd alter the series to the degree that people are suggesting.
But I will admit that some of your comments are rather funny . And that Photoshop is great, Irishmile!
have not heard it yet since I don't intend on buying it. It just would look ubly next to this:
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Ooh, that is nice; I want. All I've got is the 'At World's End' soundtrack so far; I'll pick up the rest of them later, including the new one (as it's pretty awesome, in my opinion)(those remixes don't interest me much, though).
Yeah, he'd be great, and would probably be the best suited, but why not Cuaron as well? I mean, look at the guy's past work; almost everything he's been involved in has seemed to turn to gold; his record is almost flawless. Quite frankly, I'd love to see what he can work the next Pirates into.
Admittedly, I haven't seen a lot of his works, but his credentials suggest the the series would at least be in some reliable hands. I'm not challenging your opinion (I don't really have anything to back up an argument anyway); I'm just interested in knowing your reasons why.
And would you object to letting Marshall have another crack at it?
I used to be a big Tim Burton fan,not so much anymore. His glory days, as seen with live action movies has passed. But if he did a pirates film I'd be suckered into seeing it.
Am I the only one here who thinks that apart from the soundtracks the sequels in this series are useless?
They could have ended everything after the first movie and I wouldn't miss anything. Except for the great scores by Hans Zimmer for the second and third movie.
Not only were the sequels entirely unnecessary, they were actually retroactively harmful. The characters were allowed some measure of development in the first film, something they're NEVER ALLOWED TO DO AGAIN now that the franchise is "big". Worse than that, any character development from the first film is entirely undone so we can have the joy of not having to watch a version of an apparently beloved icon that has actually changed even the slightest iota since the starting point of the first film. This is most drastic in Jack Sparrow's case, but other cast members suffer from this as well.
I think everybody's sort of exaggerating with what Burton may potentially do with the franchise. Yeah, the guy might be eccentric, his movies might be a little pretentious or too 'art-y,' but the guy isn't stupid, and is by no means crazy enough to take such a large and beloved franchise into such a new direction. Yes, the changes might be notable if he were to take the reigns, and perhaps it would feel different, and there's the possibility of it not being as good, but there's no way he'd alter the series to the degree that people are suggesting.
"Art-y" and "pretentious" are the LAST words I'd use to describe Burton's recent output.
Not only were the sequels entirely unnecessary, they were actually retroactively harmful. The characters were allowed some measure of development in the first film, something they're NEVER ALLOWED TO DO AGAIN now that the franchise is "big". Worse than that, any character development from the first film is entirely undone so we can have the joy of not having to watch a version of an apparently beloved icon that has actually changed even the slightest iota since the starting point of the first film. This is most drastic in Jack Sparrow's case, but other cast members suffer from this as well.
Granted, the first movie drew a lot of its fun out of constantly wondering what Jack's really up to. That was sadly missing from the sequels and is probably entirely missing from Stranger Tides.
Granted, the first movie drew a lot of its fun out of constantly wondering what Jack's really up to. That was sadly missing from the sequels and is probably entirely missing from Stranger Tides.
Another difference is that the first movie had the "surprise" factor. At least for me. I seem to remember that all of the trailers for it marketed it as a action/thriller type movie, with the only main characters present being Elizabeth and Barbossa. So when the jokes started coming fast and furious, it was totally unexpected. And also hilarious. We just can't get that unexpected factor back.
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1. Mermaids would kind of know about that sort of thing and
3. The fountain is a big fancy setpiece with weird physics and lots of CGI. Of course it's got strong magic to it, this is a Pirates film, that's how you show a place is magic in a Pirates film.
4. If the tear was the only aspect, then
But the thing is, We don't know a whole lot about mermaids other then the legends told in the film, the whole fountain chamber could have easily been a ritualistic place that an ancient civilization built to surround the healing properties of a mermaids tear.
can it be proved that the ritual needs anything more then 2 identical challaces, some underground spring water, and a mermaids tear, What makes the challaces or the water so special? Has anyone ever tried to do the ritual with just regular spring water? I doubt anyone would have gone to the trouble... I think that probibly all that is needed is for the person who is getting life to drink the tear dilluted in water, and the other person to drink regular water from the same source...
Just look at how syrena was so adamant that she could save philip, she kissed him to make him breathe underwater, and I'll bet you anything that she swam off to do the ritual in another fashion, in a way that DIDN'T require a sacrifice...
I have a feeling that the ritual seen in the movie is some sort of twisted version of a real ritual that the mermaids have, but that humans couldn't use the simpler form of the ritual and didn't understand it, so they twisted it in a way, contaminating it with the evil of their intention, to a point where a sacrifice is needed...
So yeah, fairly enjoyable. Also, I will have to see about acquiring that soundtrack, as is my wont to do with these things.
I recommend it.
Tim Burton
Alfonso Cuaron
Shawn Levy
Rob Marshall
Sam Raimi
Chris Weitz
I'm personally hoping for either Tim Burton, since it would be very interesting to see his take on the franchise, or Alfonso Cuaron, given his amazing resume. However, I would have no problem with Marshall having a second go at directing a Pirates film, because I like what he did with 'On Stranger Tides.'
They could have ended everything after the first movie and I wouldn't miss anything. Except for the great scores by Hans Zimmer for the second and third movie.
Well, yes, the series COULD have ended after the first film, but I (and many others) got so much enjoyment out of the second, third (yes, even the third) and fourth films that I would hate to not have them around. They might not have had the originality of the first film, and the novelty might have been lost, and some people might say that the sequels fed off and emulated the first film too much, but we still got to witness great action, great humour and great fun from seeing likeable characters thrown into new and exciting situations. If the possibility is there to create sequels that aren't blatant ripoffs of their predecessor(s), and are enjoyed by many, then why not make them?
Oh, you're not fond of the 'On Stranger Tides' soundtrack? Or you just haven't heard it yet?
have not heard it yet since I don't intend on buying it. It just would look ubly next to this:
Only ones I have any knowledge of are Tim Burton and Sam Raimi. Tim Burton has made great movies, and I think he's quite unique, even if he's tricks are starting to shine through. At least his movies stand out. Him and Johnny Depp work great together, so him being behind the fifth movie wouldn't mind me at all.
I only know Sam Raimi through the Spartacus tv-series, and both of them (Blood and Sand, and Gods of the Arena) are excellent and probably my favourite TV series of all time. The story-telling is actually very good in these, so I wouldn't mind seeing him at the wheel either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFzLRP8e4vE
Do we really want to see Jack's face painted pure white and his clothes switched to black and white stripes?
I like Tim Burton, but his style is completely unsuited to a Pirates film. White make-up does not belong anywhere near the Caribbean.
Here I did a quick photoshop for you
This. Tim Burton has no unique style. He's a ripoff hack. Get Sam Raimi or get nobody.
Besides, if the next movie happened to be a ghost story, his character styles would certain work for the ghosts. It's not like Jack Sparrow or Barbossa or his crew are suddenly going to be white face and wear makeup. Jack is already halfway there with his black makeup around his eyes, I'm sure he'll settle with that.
Oh Lord.
This needs to go in the Cannot Unsee thread. Immediately. Because I will never be able to look at Pirates of the Caribbean without this image taunting me at the back of my mind.
This. All of this.
But I will admit that some of your comments are rather funny
Ooh, that is nice; I want. All I've got is the 'At World's End' soundtrack so far; I'll pick up the rest of them later, including the new one (as it's pretty awesome, in my opinion)(those remixes don't interest me much, though).
Yeah, he'd be great, and would probably be the best suited, but why not Cuaron as well? I mean, look at the guy's past work; almost everything he's been involved in has seemed to turn to gold; his record is almost flawless. Quite frankly, I'd love to see what he can work the next Pirates into.
Admittedly, I haven't seen a lot of his works, but his credentials suggest the the series would at least be in some reliable hands. I'm not challenging your opinion (I don't really have anything to back up an argument anyway); I'm just interested in knowing your reasons why.
And would you object to letting Marshall have another crack at it?
*shudders*
"Art-y" and "pretentious" are the LAST words I'd use to describe Burton's recent output.
Also, uh, Batman Returns? The Penguin?
Granted, the first movie drew a lot of its fun out of constantly wondering what Jack's really up to. That was sadly missing from the sequels and is probably entirely missing from Stranger Tides.
Another difference is that the first movie had the "surprise" factor. At least for me. I seem to remember that all of the trailers for it marketed it as a action/thriller type movie, with the only main characters present being Elizabeth and Barbossa. So when the jokes started coming fast and furious, it was totally unexpected. And also hilarious. We just can't get that unexpected factor back.