I saw an interview clip from "community" where the cast was talking about sitting there and watching Senior' Chang doing his bit, and trying not to laugh... the senior chang bits are the same thing, pure stupidity, theres rarely anything funny that comes from that actor and I couldn't believe they were trying not to laugh at it...
Community has bad writing? Have you seen the rest of what's on television today?
Community has bad writing? Have you seen the rest of what's on television today?
I'm not saying community has bad writing, I love that show to death, I was just using senior chang as a good example of the stupidity that america loves nowadays...
In my opinion troy and abed are one of the funniest duos (if not THE funniest) on tv at this time
I have no problems with Seth McFarlane, and I have nothing against trying to reboot The Flintstones.
What I do have a problem with is that he already has three shows, and they're already pretty much the same thing. Family Guy, Family Guy But Slightly Political, and Family Guy But Black. And now we're going to have Family Guy In The Stone Age. Can't TV get something new?
Hopefully he doesn't get The Jetsons and makes Family Guy In The Future.
I'm not saying community has bad writing, I love that show to death, I was just using senior chang as a good example of the stupidity that america loves nowadays...
In my opinion troy and abed are one of the funniest duos (if not THE funniest) on tv at this time
I dunno, that one scene with Chang acting as Gollum and his split personalitys was hilarious.
Great I hate all of Seth's shows so far and now he gets to reboot a classic show that runs like a prehistoric version of the honeymooners. He'll probably have Dino talking all the time(BTW: he actually did in one episode of the original. I saw it on boomerang)...
This has nothing to do with Seth but as Hanna-barbara reboots go I hate the recent "Scooby Doo: Mystery Inc." too and it's the fourth worst Scooby doo show ever right behind 1. Scooby and Scrappy doo(no mysteries), 2. the 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo, and 3. Shaggy and Scooby Doo get a clue
What do I think of Seth doing The Flintstones? I'm questioning why he's doing it when in reality no reboot on The Flintstones is needed. Seth does all of his bull crap "family shitcom" shows for one reason, MONEY. It isn't very hard to see why he's doing animation for profits over entertainment, all of his shows are just the same thing(with a few changes here and there. But it follows the same formula). All of seth's shows are unlikable and unwatchable. Seth in my own view isn't a cartoonist, he's dirt. He just wants to screw up animation just to make it ten times worst, and leaving good talented animators who have better creative minds then Seth's garbage out the door.
Seriously! I know a few animators who pitched shows to fox, but they all got rejected. And not surprisingly they were angry at Seth because of it. It just goes to show that nearly every studio wants to mimic Seth's garbage when in reality nobody wants it. Sure, there may be people who be dumb enough to watch the same recycled junk but I know where it draws a line(no pun intended). There was even a rumor that Doug Tennapel(Earthworm Jim and The Neverhood) pitched a film to Fox but it got rejected because it didn't have Seth's name on it. It made Doug so furious that he punched Seth right int he face. I never cared about The Flintstones, but if they were going to reboot it I would say the right person for it would be John K. I'm only saying this because John knows Hanna-Barbara's stuff on the back of his head. Seth needs to get the hell out of the animation industry. He's just leaving people like me out of work who want to make something good, but are forced to follow the same old stuff that nobody wants to look at.
This has nothing to do with Seth but as Hanna-barbara reboots go I hate the recent "Scooby Doo: Mystery Inc." too and it's the fourth worst Scooby doo show ever right behind 1. Scooby and Scrappy doo(no mysteries), 2. the 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo, and 3. Shaggy and Scooby Doo get a clue
I don't watch it regularly, but I've caught a couple episodes of the newest Scooby Doo, and I don't really see what there is to hate. Seems like the same old formula, just with mysteries and characters that are a little more complex. And I got the notion that there might be a season-wide story arc going on too.
I'm guessing that McFarlane will be bring a lot of pot gags to the table regarding Shaggy. Family Guy's "Bag o' Weed" song was actually one of the few moments of Family Guy that I truly enjoyed.
... And? I'm not seeing the problem. Aside from them being a very "odd couple" kind of couple.
You don't see the problem with this picture?
In the original, they were just a group of friends solving mysteries for fun. The charm of it was that none of them were a couple and they were perfectly content in each other's company. There was no drama between members regarding who was dating whom and it was simply solving the mystery. Fred and Daphne seemed like the perfect couple (My opinion) and yet, they were able to achieve that chemistry without actually dating.
Maybe I'm just bitter because I grew up with Shaggy and his strict love for food. I don't understand why the Scooby Doo movies/shows feel the need to pair off the members of Mystery Inc when the original was able to avoid the romance issue and just have fun with the mysteries and the members' personalities.
In the original, they were just a group of friends solving mysteries for fun. The charm of it was that none of them were a couple and they were perfectly content in each other's company. There was no drama between members regarding who was dating whom and it was simply solving the mystery. Fred and Daphne seemed like the perfect couple (My opinion) and yet, they were able to achieve that chemistry without actually dating.
Maybe I'm just bitter because I grew up with Shaggy and his strict love for food. I don't understand why the Scooby Doo movies/shows feel the need to pair off the members of Mystery Inc when the original was able to avoid the romance issue and just have fun with the mysteries and the members' personalities.
In the original, they were just a group of friends solving mysteries for fun. The charm of it was that none of them were a couple and they were perfectly content in each other's company. There was no drama between members regarding who was dating whom and it was simply solving the mystery. Fred and Daphne seemed like the perfect couple (My opinion) and yet, they were able to achieve that chemistry without actually dating.
Maybe I'm just bitter because I grew up with Shaggy and his strict love for food. I don't understand why the Scooby Doo movies/shows feel the need to pair off the members of Mystery Inc when the original was able to avoid the romance issue and just have fun with the mysteries and the members' personalities.
To each his own, I suppose.
If you want a show identical to the original, you can just watch the original.
If Cartoon Network wanted a show identical to the original, they would just show reruns.
If the target audience wanted a show identical to the original, this show will fail.
If you want a show identical to the original, you can just watch the original.
If Cartoon Network wanted a show identical to the original, they would just show reruns.
If the target audience wanted a show identical to the original, this show will fail.
I never said I wanted it identical to the original but look at past Scooby Doo cartoons: The Scooby-Doo show, A Pup Named Scooby Doo, The 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo, What's New Scooby Doo?. Heck, even Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get a Clue didn't have this issue.
Look at 'What's New Scooby Doo?' for a moment. That show followed the original very closely and ended up running for four years, longer than any of the other Scooby Doo cartoons, and the target audience is more or less the same with Incorporated. I just don't see a reason why the formula had to be changed.
What's New Scooby Doo didn't follow the original all that closely; actually if anything it did, it made the franchise more entertaining and watchable. Scenarios were more believable, characters were less restrained to show emotions (I actually liked Fred in that, he was more of a jock with an attitude rather than a complete Mary Sue) and it wasn't all that predictable (Daphne didn't get kidnapped all the time).
They did do something new. And it was for the better, unlike the time they put another dog who can't shut up, complete with plot device-tastic ghosts of some sort. Scooby-Doo was never about real ghosts or monsters; it was about unmasking those tried to disguise theirselves as monsters.
They did do something new. And it was for the better, unlike the time they put another dog who can't shut up, complete with plot device-tastic ghosts of some sort.
Uhhh..... I hated Scrappy Doo. He was like the Jar Jar Binks of the Scooby Doo universe.
I think its a great idea. Seth McFarlane is a genious IMO when it comes to animated shows like Family Guy and American Dad. I can't wait to see what he does with the Flintstones. A show that I used to watch a lot when I was little.
And when you think about it. Flintstones isn't too far from what McFarlane does anyway. He basicly does animated versions of shows that revolve around family.
And when you think about it. Flintstones isn't too far from what McFarlane does anyway. He basicly does animated versions of shows that revolve around family.
When you think about it, Full House isn't too far from Family Guy. They both have families.
Oh wait, they're completely different, as Family Guy constantly tries to humorously shock you over and over it becomes too predictable and 90% of the jokes aren't even remotely based around characters being a family, except the ones that imply they have no ethical value which especially makes a family "family" -like how they treat Meg like a pet of some sort. "The family" is just a setting, and a pretty unimaginative setting when you're not using it effectively but using it over and over and over for all your shows. None of McFarlane's shows "revolve around" it, in this sense.
When you think about it, Full House isn't too far from Family Guy. They both have families.
Oh wait, they're completely different, as Family Guy constantly tries to humorously shock you over and over it becomes too predictable and 90% of the jokes aren't even remotely based around characters being a family, except the ones that imply they have no ethical value which especially makes a family "family" -like how they treat Meg like a pet of some sort. "The family" is just a setting, and a pretty unimaginative setting when you're not using it effectively but using it over and over and over for all your shows. None of McFarlane's shows "revolve around" it, in this sense.
Actually, Full House and Family Guy really arn't that different. Just one is more directed at adults then the other which is meant for a wider audience.
Actually, Full House and Family Guy really arn't that different. Just one is more directed at adults then the other which is meant for a wider audience.
I have to disagree with this statement too. There are many different things between Full House and Family Guy, and all of those just cannot be categorized under one file namely "because of being aimed at adults", as if what Family Guy does is the only absolute way to reach to mature audience, or it's some sort of ingredient like a box of powder sugar that you just need to apply onto any family friendly show to turn into an adult swim show. There are many ways to approach to the older audience to entertain them, and many of which do not include repetitive usage of the mixture of gross out humor and irrelevant pop culture references.
I think there is a difference of observations, moreso than opinions. You observe the two shows (or any shows that have families in them) by their origin and main settings whereas I take them with where they went with it and ultimately what they've become, calculating the entirety of one show's episodes as a whole. You may say any show, that has a family in it as a main cast, has many common points with another example of such shows with a very similar setting, but it's only a starting point and a show may lead an entirely different direction with it, completely differentiating itself from the other. You can't just say "it's just aimed at adults", at least you can NOT say "just" because it makes the entire difference, as the difference itself is proven to be big enough to be taken into consideration as itself.
I'm currently raising an eyebrow, I was never into Seth's work but Its pretty understandable why people are a bit negative on this(its like Bieber all over again). Now I've notice that Seth gets A LOT of hate in the animation industry, it seems he's not part much in the production of his things is it not?
Seriously! I know a few animators who pitched shows to fox, but they all got rejected.
Leplay, I've noticed you got a big bone to pick with this guy. You sound very negative on the matter. And I take it that these so called "other pilots" that you mentioned were rejected because they didn't have Seth's name on it?
Family Guy does often have a Full House-esque moment at the end where Peter or whoever has a "well jeez, Lois, I was just trying to make things better" and apologizes for being a dick the whole episode. Good example that comes to mind is the one where Quagmire discovers he has an illegitimate daughter, gives her up for adoption, decides he has to get her back... then realizes that the family she's with now will give her a much better life then he ever could. It's an 'aww' moment, like you'd get on Full House all the time.
I was going to say that the difference is that people on Family Guy don't tend to remember the lessons they learned, but then how many times did Uncle Jesse have to apologize for hurting Stephanie's feelings or whatever?
Yes, the humor in each show is very different, but the arc of most episodes is actually pretty similar.
Good example that comes to mind is the one where Quagmire discovers he has an illegitimate daughter, gives her up for adoption, decides he has to get her back... then realizes that the family she's with now will give her a much better life then he ever could. It's an 'aww' moment,
5 seconds later he implyed he would have intercorse with her if he met her as an adult.
Yeah, that whole "Velma and Shaggy are a couple so it sucks" argument is pretty much bullshit, not in the last place because as of episode 22 they have now definitely split up with no chance of them ever getting together ever again.
But it's basically what the fans have speculated / wanted / whatever'd. And the fans actually loved the entire new fresh idea of Shaggy and Velma being together and stuff, it added a new dimension to the series. You guys are probably the only people who have a "they changed it now it sucks" attitude.
I mean, the Shaggy / Velma relationship is just a side-story, a detail, one that has been nullified anyway by the recent developments. It's just as bullshit as saying "Crystal Cove? It's Coolsville! Ruined FOREVAH!!!"
My point being is, Mystery Incorporated is one of the most popular and one of the more successful reboots, and I'm just basing this purely on what I see and read on the Internet.
Point is, the formula didn't HAVE to change, but they did, and it turned out good. Mind you, it's mostly the better series that get canned early (Duck Dodgers, anyone?)
Also, that picture of Shaggy and Velma making out is one of the worst examples, it's the same episode where their relationship gets Rocky Balboa.
5 seconds later he implyed he would have intercorse with her if he met her as an adult.
But that's Family Guy being Family Guy. The show doesn't end with an "aww" moment, it typically always ends with an OMG I can't believe they did that moment. Doesn't change the fact that the episodes often use a similar formula.
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Community has bad writing? Have you seen the rest of what's on television today?
I'm not saying community has bad writing, I love that show to death, I was just using senior chang as a good example of the stupidity that america loves nowadays...
In my opinion troy and abed are one of the funniest duos (if not THE funniest) on tv at this time
Hopefully he doesn't get The Jetsons and makes Family Guy In The Future.
I dunno, that one scene with Chang acting as Gollum and his split personalitys was hilarious.
This has nothing to do with Seth but as Hanna-barbara reboots go I hate the recent "Scooby Doo: Mystery Inc." too and it's the fourth worst Scooby doo show ever right behind 1. Scooby and Scrappy doo(no mysteries), 2. the 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo, and 3. Shaggy and Scooby Doo get a clue
Seriously! I know a few animators who pitched shows to fox, but they all got rejected. And not surprisingly they were angry at Seth because of it. It just goes to show that nearly every studio wants to mimic Seth's garbage when in reality nobody wants it. Sure, there may be people who be dumb enough to watch the same recycled junk but I know where it draws a line(no pun intended). There was even a rumor that Doug Tennapel(Earthworm Jim and The Neverhood) pitched a film to Fox but it got rejected because it didn't have Seth's name on it. It made Doug so furious that he punched Seth right int he face. I never cared about The Flintstones, but if they were going to reboot it I would say the right person for it would be John K. I'm only saying this because John knows Hanna-Barbara's stuff on the back of his head. Seth needs to get the hell out of the animation industry. He's just leaving people like me out of work who want to make something good, but are forced to follow the same old stuff that nobody wants to look at.
LOLOL! Imagine seth's Johnny Quest... constant gay jokes about dr. quest and race... so much worse then, say, the venture bros?
You Sir are made of win. I thought I was the only person in the whole world who watched Monkey Dust.
You are also made of win.
You are partially made of win.
I don't watch it regularly, but I've caught a couple episodes of the newest Scooby Doo, and I don't really see what there is to hate. Seems like the same old formula, just with mysteries and characters that are a little more complex. And I got the notion that there might be a season-wide story arc going on too.
Shaggy and Velma are a couple. Case closed.
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... And? I'm not seeing the problem. Aside from them being a very "odd couple" kind of couple.
I am made of bone and flesh and magic. Not some internet lingo, thank you very much.
Odd.... but 'appy
You don't see the problem with this picture?
In the original, they were just a group of friends solving mysteries for fun. The charm of it was that none of them were a couple and they were perfectly content in each other's company. There was no drama between members regarding who was dating whom and it was simply solving the mystery. Fred and Daphne seemed like the perfect couple (My opinion) and yet, they were able to achieve that chemistry without actually dating.
Maybe I'm just bitter because I grew up with Shaggy and his strict love for food. I don't understand why the Scooby Doo movies/shows feel the need to pair off the members of Mystery Inc when the original was able to avoid the romance issue and just have fun with the mysteries and the members' personalities.
To each his own, I suppose.
You win one million internets, good sir.
The official announcement.
I graciously accept, and I shall spend them frivolously.
Because the current audience sort of expects it.
This is the doom foretold of by the ancients.
If you want a show identical to the original, you can just watch the original.
If Cartoon Network wanted a show identical to the original, they would just show reruns.
If the target audience wanted a show identical to the original, this show will fail.
I never said I wanted it identical to the original but look at past Scooby Doo cartoons: The Scooby-Doo show, A Pup Named Scooby Doo, The 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo, What's New Scooby Doo?. Heck, even Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get a Clue didn't have this issue.
Look at 'What's New Scooby Doo?' for a moment. That show followed the original very closely and ended up running for four years, longer than any of the other Scooby Doo cartoons, and the target audience is more or less the same with Incorporated. I just don't see a reason why the formula had to be changed.
They did do something new. And it was for the better, unlike the time they put another dog who can't shut up, complete with plot device-tastic ghosts of some sort. Scooby-Doo was never about real ghosts or monsters; it was about unmasking those tried to disguise theirselves as monsters.
Uhhh..... I hated Scrappy Doo. He was like the Jar Jar Binks of the Scooby Doo universe.
I think we can collectively agree on that one.
I liked him!...in the movie XD The one I hated the most was Scooby Dum.
And when you think about it. Flintstones isn't too far from what McFarlane does anyway. He basicly does animated versions of shows that revolve around family.
When you think about it, Full House isn't too far from Family Guy. They both have families.
Oh wait, they're completely different, as Family Guy constantly tries to humorously shock you over and over it becomes too predictable and 90% of the jokes aren't even remotely based around characters being a family, except the ones that imply they have no ethical value which especially makes a family "family" -like how they treat Meg like a pet of some sort. "The family" is just a setting, and a pretty unimaginative setting when you're not using it effectively but using it over and over and over for all your shows. None of McFarlane's shows "revolve around" it, in this sense.
Actually, Full House and Family Guy really arn't that different. Just one is more directed at adults then the other which is meant for a wider audience.
I have to disagree with this statement too. There are many different things between Full House and Family Guy, and all of those just cannot be categorized under one file namely "because of being aimed at adults", as if what Family Guy does is the only absolute way to reach to mature audience, or it's some sort of ingredient like a box of powder sugar that you just need to apply onto any family friendly show to turn into an adult swim show. There are many ways to approach to the older audience to entertain them, and many of which do not include repetitive usage of the mixture of gross out humor and irrelevant pop culture references.
I think there is a difference of observations, moreso than opinions. You observe the two shows (or any shows that have families in them) by their origin and main settings whereas I take them with where they went with it and ultimately what they've become, calculating the entirety of one show's episodes as a whole. You may say any show, that has a family in it as a main cast, has many common points with another example of such shows with a very similar setting, but it's only a starting point and a show may lead an entirely different direction with it, completely differentiating itself from the other. You can't just say "it's just aimed at adults", at least you can NOT say "just" because it makes the entire difference, as the difference itself is proven to be big enough to be taken into consideration as itself.
Leplay, I've noticed you got a big bone to pick with this guy. You sound very negative on the matter. And I take it that these so called "other pilots" that you mentioned were rejected because they didn't have Seth's name on it?
I was going to say that the difference is that people on Family Guy don't tend to remember the lessons they learned, but then how many times did Uncle Jesse have to apologize for hurting Stephanie's feelings or whatever?
Yes, the humor in each show is very different, but the arc of most episodes is actually pretty similar.
5 seconds later he implyed he would have intercorse with her if he met her as an adult.
But it's basically what the fans have speculated / wanted / whatever'd. And the fans actually loved the entire new fresh idea of Shaggy and Velma being together and stuff, it added a new dimension to the series. You guys are probably the only people who have a "they changed it now it sucks" attitude.
I mean, the Shaggy / Velma relationship is just a side-story, a detail, one that has been nullified anyway by the recent developments. It's just as bullshit as saying "Crystal Cove? It's Coolsville! Ruined FOREVAH!!!"
My point being is, Mystery Incorporated is one of the most popular and one of the more successful reboots, and I'm just basing this purely on what I see and read on the Internet.
Point is, the formula didn't HAVE to change, but they did, and it turned out good. Mind you, it's mostly the better series that get canned early (Duck Dodgers, anyone?)
Also, that picture of Shaggy and Velma making out is one of the worst examples, it's the same episode where their relationship gets Rocky Balboa.
But that's Family Guy being Family Guy. The show doesn't end with an "aww" moment, it typically always ends with an OMG I can't believe they did that moment. Doesn't change the fact that the episodes often use a similar formula.