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DAISHIDAISHI
edited July 2011 in General Chat
If a person goes out every night for a drink or two, is that worse than someone who binges heavy on a Friday or Saturday? Are there differences between a person who goes out for a drink or two and someone who stays home and takes a drink or two?
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  • FalancaFalanca
    edited July 2011
    Well, surely the big difference between someone going out and someone staying in is that, a person getting dozed up in his home doesn't embarass himself outside trying to get to home or whatever else he's planning on doing.
  • JohroJohro
    edited July 2011
    Yes, if you are drinking daily, no matter how much, that is a bigger issue and is usually a dependency in that case.

    and no, there is no difference between going out or staying in. Some people are social/antisocial, money can be a factor, worrying about travel etc.
  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited July 2011
    @Falanca Yeah and putting people at risk if they're putting too many back.

    @Johro I'm debating at the moment about 'social addiction' and whether alcohol is incidental to wanting to go out a lot or if its the main drive.
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited July 2011
    Define "a drink or two". :D

    Personally, I've seen alcohol addiction in both forms and I am rather sure that the labels "worse" and "better" should not be attributed. There might be more immediate effects with heavy drinking, but you have to consider the danger potential for those other forms of addiction as well.

    Social drinking is a b****. And I state this from a rather unusual perspective, as I haven't been drinking any alcohol for 17 years now (yes, none at all). And whenever I'm in a new crowd and have to make clear that I just plain don't, it doesn't matter much if these people are open minded/tolerant/reasonably or not, I can feel the disappointment. It's as if you said: "You're nice people, but I don't really want to have anything to do with you". Feels weird every time.
  • IryonIryon
    edited July 2011
    Vainamoinen wrote: »
    Define "a drink or two". :D

    I think in the US a standard drink is defined as a beverage containing 0.6 fluid ounces (approximatly 15 grams) of pure alcohol.

    In my opinion, having two of those on a daily base will have negative long term effects on liver metabolism and as a result on metabolism in general.
    The binge drinker will have similar metabolical effects all in all, depending on the lenght of the abstinent interval, and of course the degree of acute intoxication.
    Plus he has a far higher risk of neural damage and asphyxia.
  • IgnatiusIgnatius
    edited July 2011
    Having "a drink or two" don't hurt anyone. Furthermore, doctors recommend a daily glass of wine to somewhat prevent heart diseases.

    Alcohol doesn't hurt unless yor put in your body more than it can metabolize (getting dizzy or drunk) and even that isnt' extremely dangerous on the short term. Of course, in the long term, if you get wasted every night you are to gonna encounter some problems.

    Also, it should be mentioned that everybody (and every body) it's different. A drink or two for someone that never drinks could be too much, but for somenone who is used to it, it's nothing.

    All in all, i think the only difference between a person that drinks in his house and a person that drinks when he goes out, is that this last one is probably having more fun.
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited July 2011
    I mostly agree. I have nothing against people who drink a glass or two, and I enjoy their company while they do it. Nonetheless, doctors do not recommend that glass of wine because small doses of alcohol would somehow help your body. Grape juice is even more healthy than that "recommended" glass of wine (but people are less likely to drink it ;) ).
  • SoultakerSoultaker
    edited July 2011
    Iryon wrote: »
    In my opinion, having two of those on a daily base will have negative long term effects on liver metabolism and as a result on metabolism in general.
    Who are you, and why is your opinion relevant?

    The scientific consensus is that moderate drinkers live longer and suffer fewer health problems than both heavy drinkers and those who abstain from alcohol completely. This is due to the beneficial effect of (moderate amounts of) alcohol on the cardiovascular system.

    Like it or not, but drinking a glass of wine or two a day is a perfectly healthy lifestyle.
  • IryonIryon
    edited July 2011
    Soultaker wrote: »
    Who are you, and why is your opinion relevant?

    Hello, I'm Iryon and my opinion is relevant because this is a forum ;)
  • IrishmileIrishmile
    edited July 2011
    It really depends on the individual... Not everyone handles addiction or the possibility of addiction the same.
  • jp-30jp-30
    edited July 2011
    Vainamoinen wrote: »
    Nonetheless, doctors do not recommend that glass of wine because small doses of alcohol would somehow help your body. Grape juice is even more healthy than that "recommended" glass of wine (but people are less likely to drink it ;) ).

    It's not the alcohol, but rather the antioxidants in the wine that comes from the grape skins during fermentation (red wine is made with grape-skin contact).

    http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/ss01/anthocyanin.html
    There is considerable anecdotal and epidemiological evidence that dietary anthocyanin pigments and polyphenolics may have preventive and therapeutic roles in a number of human diseases. Through the much publicized “French paradox”, the public has become aware that certain populations of red-wine drinkers in France and Italy have much lower rates of coronary heart disease (CHD) than their North American and Northern European counterparts. It is widely accepted that red wine phenolics contribute at least partly to this beneficial effect. A number of studies have shown that mortality from CHD is inversely correlated with intake of flavonoids in the diet. Flavonoids may also help prevent strokes. While some flavonoids have been shown to inhibit tumor development, some experts have concluded that compounds other than flavonoids must be responsible for the anticancer effects of dietary fruits and vegetables.

    I knew my post-graduate wine-making qualifications would finally come in handy... ;)
  • Pony BonePony Bone
    edited July 2011
    DAISHI wrote: »
    If a person goes out every night for a drink or two, is that worse than someone who binges heavy on a Friday or Saturday? Are there differences between a person who goes out for a drink or two and someone who stays home and takes a drink or two?

    I don't like "binging" anymore. If you drink, you drink. I'd say the real difference you should be comparing would be that person that gets drunk every day... and the person that has one drink per day (or binges once a week). Clearly these are people that either enjoy a good pint, or are just having fun with their mates on the weekend. If you drink to drunkne-ness every day, then there's a problem.
  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited July 2011
    I don't drink to drunkeness every day. That said, I just got done at the bar.
  • cheepwhistlecheepwhistle
    edited July 2011
    drinking is bad for you. I drink soda and i feel happy without alcohol.
  • skeeterskeeter
    edited July 2011
    I think it depends if you cannot go without that 1 or 2 drinks every day. I read somewhere that a drink every day is more telling of addiction that binging once a week if you must have that one drink and cannot go without it. But hey, that's just someone's opinion. My own, I think drinking til you fall down is more dangerous as you can get into a lot of dangerous situations....
  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited July 2011
    Well I'm actually giving it a rest. I'm sick of drinking.
  • Comrade PantsComrade Pants
    edited July 2011
    "Alcohol is the cause of and solution to all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson.

    Prove me wrong.
  • Comrade MortisComrade Mortis
    edited July 2011
    Alcohol isn't...Whiskey is.
  • ShaggEShaggE
    edited July 2011
    cheepwhistle wrote: »
    drinking is bad for you. I drink soda and i feel happy without alcohol.

    Soda's bad for you. I drink beer and I feel happy without inhibition. :p
  • Comrade PantsComrade Pants
    edited July 2011
    cheepwhistle wrote: »
    drinking is bad for you. I drink soda and i feel happy without alcohol.

    Sounds like a cry for help to me!
  • Comrade MortisComrade Mortis
    edited July 2011
    Absinthe makes the fond grow fonder...and the liver grow tender...
  • TomPravetzTomPravetz
    edited July 2011
    Make mine a double.


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  • Comrade PantsComrade Pants
    edited July 2011
    Comrade Mortis wrote: »
    Absinthe makes the fond grow fonder...and the liver grow tender...

    I liked it so much I sig'd it.
  • TomPravetzTomPravetz
    edited July 2011
    Comrade Pants wrote: »
    I liked it so much I sig'd it.

    No shit?

    *looks at Pant's signature*

    No shit!



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  • AlcoremortisAlcoremortis
    edited July 2011
    Comrade Mortis wrote: »
    Absinthe makes the fond grow fonder...and the liver grow tender...

    That's due to the increased liver enzyme count. Before you ask, no, I will not give you my liver when yours retreats from this world.
  • Comrade MortisComrade Mortis
    edited July 2011
    Alcoremortis wrote: »
    That's due to the increased liver enzyme count. Before you ask, no, I will not give you my liver when yours retreats from this world.

    Like I would even consider taking your inferior liver! My has been steeped in alcohol and carefully aged...yours is...to be frank, a n00b.

    Though I understand some people actually prefer theirs like that...
  • Comrade PantsComrade Pants
    edited July 2011
    Comrade Mortis wrote: »
    Like I would even consider taking your inferior liver! My has been steeped in alcohol and carefully aged...yours is...to be frank, a n00b.

    Though I understand some people actually prefer theirs like that...

    Some people. We call them spineless.
  • Comrade MortisComrade Mortis
    edited July 2011
    Comrade Pants wrote: »
    Some people. We call them spineless.

    I do believe "lily-livered" is more apropos.
  • AlcoremortisAlcoremortis
    edited July 2011
    Comrade Pants wrote: »
    Some people. We call them spineless.

    I find it amusing that you of all people would use that insult...
  • Comrade PantsComrade Pants
    edited July 2011
    Alcoremortis wrote: »
    I find it amusing that you of all people would use that insult...

    Look, look, look. Just because my spine is all manner of fucked up, doesn't make me spineless.
  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited July 2011
    So I haven't taken a drink in two days. This is a good thing.
  • Comrade PantsComrade Pants
    edited July 2011
    DAISHI wrote: »
    So I haven't taken a drink in two days. This is a dreadful thing.

    Fixed that for ya, buddy!
  • DAISHIDAISHI
    edited July 2011
    lol comrade, I'd agree if this were a year ago.
  • Comrade MortisComrade Mortis
    edited July 2011
    DAISHI wrote: »
    So I haven't taken a drink in two days. This is a porblem

    This is how it should be...

    Also, I haven't gotten intoxicated in two months...it's terble.
  • Comrade PantsComrade Pants
    edited July 2011
    Comrade Mortis wrote: »
    This is how it should be...

    Also, I haven't gotten intoxicated in two months...it's terble.

    Verr terble. We will fix it at Dragoncon! :D
  • Comrade MortisComrade Mortis
    edited July 2011
    Comrade Pants wrote: »
    Verr terble. We will fix it at Dragoncon! :D

    FUCK YES! Intoxication via beer, whiskey, vodka, rum, gin, brandy, mixed drinks, absinthe, and your company. Greatest ever or best ever?
  • Comrade PantsComrade Pants
    edited July 2011
    Comrade Mortis wrote: »
    FUCK YES! Intoxication via beer, whiskey, vodka, rum, gin, brandy, mixed drinks, absinthe, and your company. Greatest ever or best ever?

    Both
  • Comrade MortisComrade Mortis
    edited July 2011
    Comrade Pants wrote: »
    both

    indeeb.
  • PimPamPetPimPamPet
    edited July 2011
    I think it's all about finding a balance. Whatever feels good. Obviously, getting piss-drunk every day is not healthy and indicative of addiction and/or some other kind of psychological problem. I don't feel shame to admit I like to have a few beers every now and then and get a pleasant buzz from it. It helps me wind down after particularly stressful days. I am definitely a solitary drinker, though. I don't drink when I'm with friends or relatives.
  • waroftheworlds01waroftheworlds01
    edited July 2011
    I don't drink. I've been offered alcohol a lot of times but I always turn it down. I didn't even drink the wine at the weddings I've been a part of. I just don't want to be a drinker. I understand and agree that drinking isn't all that bad as long as you don't over do it and do something stupid like drunk driving but I just don't want to try it.

    But the biggest test is yet to come. My 21st birday is next month and my brothers want to take me to all the bars in the city to get drunk and then bring me to a strip club. But I seriously don't want to start drinking. I haven't yet and I feel very good about that.

    .... I'll go to the strip club though. lol
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