I'm fairly sure that's part of Telltale's TOS, too. It should be, if it's not, as being rude to anyone should be forbidden.
ah, but BioWare's forum accounts are tied into DLC and game DRM connected to that account. So, getting banned from their forums has more effect than not being able to read or post on it.
Also, many a long-time forumite here has complained about declining quality of TTG's games, including placing blame on certain staff members for it at times. I'd say we get away with rather a lot around here.
Mostly because we don't just say Telltale is crap. We explain why we don't like it, and how we hope that they'll get better in the future. In short: It's OK to Not Like Things.
Not in the EA / Bioware forums. That's why the Steam forum is full of ME3 complaints in the ME section. People are afraid to voice their true opinion over there.
ah, but BioWare's forum accounts are tied into DLC and game DRM connected to that account. So, getting banned from their forums has more effect than not being able to read or post on it.
Right. Mods and admins on this forum can ban, but that won't take away the banned's games. With EA - and their EULA stating that your purchase is not actually a purchase, but that you only rent their games for a time that EA reserves the right to define - things are very different.
Yes, personal attacks on anyone, be it admin, mod or community member, will get you some serious banning time in here. I find it very easy to call a personal insult when I see one; terms like "abuse" (and "flaming"/"hate speech" come to think of it) however, I find very hard to put into a clear-cut definition. If a company takes a whole lot of criticism in their own forums, it's probably very natural to widen the definition and avenge even the lighter forms. That's probably where EA is at right now, hence the need to post that "reminder".
Also, many a long-time forumite here has complained about declining quality of TTG's games, including placing blame on certain staff members for it at times. I'd say we get away with rather a lot around here.
And I'd definitely like to encourage criticism on these boards in the future. I would not feel well being a moderator on forums where criticism is forbidden. I hope that ANYTHING can be said about the games in these forums as long as no one is insulted. It's just that certain forms of criticism are more constructive than others.
Mostly because we don't just say Telltale is crap. We explain why we don't like it, and how we hope that they'll get better in the future. In short: It's OK to Not Like Things.
Uhhhh SOME people do this. A lot of people just rant.
ah, but BioWare's forum accounts are tied into DLC and game DRM connected to that account. So, getting banned from their forums has more effect than not being able to read or post on it.
Also, many a long-time forumite here has complained about declining quality of TTG's games, including placing blame on certain staff members for it at times. I'd say we get away with rather a lot around here.
So? If they are rude and threatening, I say ban 'em.
I just had a look on the Origin store page for Dragon Age.
And there I saw this:
In Übereinstimmung mit dem deutschen Jugendschutzgesetz steht dieser Titel nur zwischen 23:00 Uhr und 06:00 Uhr zum Kauf zur Verfügung. In der Zeit von 06:00 Uhr bis 23:00 Uhr kannst du dieses Produkt deinem Warenkorb nicht hinzufügen.
Let me translate that as good as I can:
In Accordance to the German "Jugendschutzgesetz" (protection of minors law) this item can only be purchased between 11pm and 6 am. Between 6am and 11pm you cannot place this item in your cart.
So? If they are rude and threatening, I say ban 'em.
"Abusive" does not necessarily equal "rude."
I'm rude at times. Should I be banned?
Heck, Rather Dashing can be downright belligerent and he's still around. By rights what you're saying is that he should not only be banned, but also have all of his downloadable TTG Store purchases revoked.
Heck, Rather Dashing can be downright belligerent and he's still around. By rights what you're saying is that he should not only be banned, but also have all of his downloadable TTG Store purchases revoked.
Amendment: Rude towards an individual or organization on repeated occasions.
And I am not complaining about the portion of the downloads being removed, which I feel should only occur in extreme circumstances. I'm complaining about the fact you think the ability to personally attack people should be maintained without proper punishment. Rather Dashing doesn't personally attack people - he expresses dislike for a product, but hardly attacks. What I've seen of the reaction to ME3 so far, though, goes a bit beyond attacks, and is horrible.
Amendment: Rude towards an individual or organization on repeated occasions. [...]
I'm complaining about the fact you think the ability to personally attack people should be maintained without proper punishment.
read this again:
As has been said by others, "abuse" is a subjective term; also, "zero tolerance" can mean after the first and only infraction, and "without notice" means having never previously been warned by a mod to stop complaining before being banned.
ie. A forum member at BioWare may complain about something of which they are greatly annoyed, and after the first post in which they do so, they can be banned and lose all access to games which they legally paid for.
And have you not read the various posts by RD in his rants about BTTF? I'm pretty sure several of them could be considered as hostility towards the TTG staff. Should he be banned? No. Why? Because TTG is sensible whereas BioWare is apparently not.
Being hostile towards the staff =/= reporting a bug or problem or having a polite discussion. I don't think all the discussion should consist of is "THAT WAS #!)#ing AWFUL" "GOD I AM GOING TO GO TO BIOWARE AND MURDER THEM ALL MYSELF", which is undoubtedly how they'd grow. Unless you cite specific examples of them banning unfairly under this new jurisdiction, I see no reason to side with you.
Being hostile towards the staff =/= reporting a bug or problem or having a polite discussion.
The problem is YOU define it like that. If a staff member sees this differently you will be banned for nothing and no one will help you because they cannot.
The problem is YOU define it like that. If a staff member sees this differently you will be banned for nothing, without warning, and no one will help you because they cannot.
I find it rather amusing how people on the Bioware forms get really attached to the characters in Bioware games to the point you'd think the characters are real people and if something is done what they believe is slightly out of character, the forum posters go completely apeshit.
What if they make you your puppet though. Something like a screen that says: Go online now to play the final 5 story missins and experience the epic conclusion of ME3 or stop now and we delete your savegame.
In a sense, some parts of this were so near the truth that it's almost a prophecy.
First, it looks like EA really means it, although I could not believe it earlier, naive guy that I am. Registering ME3 DLC indeed means that the offline mode of Origin doesn't work anymore.. That's as close to consumer deception as it gets considering former EA statements. So I bought a DLC that I won't play and can't give back. The game's reluctance to load games in offline mode that used a DLC is as close to "we delete your savegame" as I can imagine. BRA-VO, EA, you got my money already without delivering. Isn't that what you always wanted?
That company owes me. That company owes me so fucking much.
Second, building up the galaxy to actually be READY for the final assault requires you to play multiplayer. Yes, it seems it's possible to reach the "best" ending without, but having your "readiness rating" consequently remain at 50% without the multiplayer, that leaves something to be desired. They don't even tell you why it remains there. It is EXPECTED that you find out by playing online. This is not a single player game, and heck, it should be.
Third, ME3 has effectively avoided the closure I was after (as discussed elsewhere). My decisions have built up to nothing; the fate of the universe is decided not in 100 hours of play, but in two really boring minutes; the last decision does not even have consequences that are really shown or discussed, but are rather only hinted at.
Fourth, where does EA/Bioware go from here? With the coming DLCs, there are only two ways to go on. (a) the new story elements take place before the final assault and therefore hardly change anything with the game - but might add to your readiness quite a bit and (b) the new story element take place after the final assault, giving you the change to explore that new world you've created a bit (provided your Shepard is not dead, which is normally the case). Yet the illusion that you have the chance to create three entirely DIFFERENT new worlds at ME3's end would be history.
Game designer Mike Gamble twitters:
Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.
With the above mentioned meager options they still have, whatever they're planning can't turn out that great. And second, what's that shit with holding on to my ME3 copy forever? I have to anyway, because these guys took my right to sell my retail games from me!!
And second, what's that shit with holding on to my ME3 copy forever? I have to anyway, because these guys took my right to sell my retail games from me!!
That's just fore the console versions. The only versions that count.
Also either they plan more multiplayer events like the one this weekend or they just puke out a 10$ DLC pack every 2 months until the end of time.
Also I took this screenshot yesterday. And the ending of ME3 somehow saddens me when I think about this being released in the Arrival DLC last year...
Beeeeeeeh, the larger this thread becomes the less I'm beginning to like Origin, to the point where I actually think, F this S. The only reason I register The Sims 3 and its EPs there anyway is so that I can get the special content only available on the exchange of The Sims 3.
Like the first time you brought HL2 or the The Orange Box home from the shop. I don't have to like their service but it would be hypocritical to argue with it on its principle as someone with a gazillion games on Steam.
At least Steam doesn't force me to be online all the times when I have DLC, and it doesn't ban me on Steam if I'm banned on the forums.
Aye, the single EA account for everything policy stinks though I think your DLC issues may be game specific, i'd no such issues with ME3 and a spotty connection.
Origin, though it doesn't really matter. They're both the same in that regard which was my point.
Well ask some other people and they'd tell you that both services scan your entire PC, kill your dog and EAt your parents. While in reality only one of them does that.
Well ask some other people and they'd tell you that both services scan your entire PC, kill your dog and eat your parents. While in reality only one of them does that.
Registering ME3 DLC indeed means that the offline mode of Origin doesn't work anymore.. That's as close to consumer deception as it gets considering former EA statements. So I bought a DLC that I won't play and can't give back. The game's reluctance to load games in offline mode that used a DLC is as close to "we delete your savegame" as I can imagine. BRA-VO, EA, you got my money already without delivering. Isn't that what you always wanted?
Time to blow off some steam here. This problem has since been identified and discussed on the Bioware forums by users with the very same problem since the game was released in March. The problem lies with some internet connections and I was able to load saves that used the DLC in offline mode when I did not establish/deactivate an internet connection after booting my PC. Which of course screams "Origin looks for online possibilities even in offline mode", but that's not even the kicker.
Now, more than two months after release, and after EA must have found out about this huge fuckup, Origin has just reached version 8.6 (!) and a new patch for ME3 came out.
Does it fix this issue which sure as hell is known to Bioware and EA, I ask you, what do you think?
ZIP. They don't even acknowledge the problem.
Out of mere responsibility for other customers, I could not ever buy an EA product again. EA is an impressive symbol for EVERYTHING wrong in gaming these days, and if customers don't act according to that knowledge, PC gaming is sure to perish. :mad:
First, Deathspank is published by EA. It's like Ron Gilbert + EA = confused to the point of being mindblown.
Second, users used to hate on Steam when it first came out, for such as having games on disc requiring Steam, so it makes me wonder if the disdain for Origin will wane in future.
Well, back in the day, Steam worked like shit, so people hated it (plus digital game distribution was pretty much a non-explored concept). Valve fixed stuff, Steam is awesome now. EA released Origin which worked like shit, so people hated it (especially now that digital game distribution is a VERY explored concept). So yeah, when EA will bring Origin to a level that can normally compete with Steam - yes, the hate will wane in the future. Except that it won't really matter. When Steam was released, there was nothing like Steam, so there really wasn't much of a choice but to wait until things get better. When Origin was released, there was Steam, and even if EA fixes all the stuff they ****ed up, people will still prefer Steam.
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ah, but BioWare's forum accounts are tied into DLC and game DRM connected to that account. So, getting banned from their forums has more effect than not being able to read or post on it.
Also, many a long-time forumite here has complained about declining quality of TTG's games, including placing blame on certain staff members for it at times. I'd say we get away with rather a lot around here.
Not in the EA / Bioware forums. That's why the Steam forum is full of ME3 complaints in the ME section. People are afraid to voice their true opinion over there.
Right. Mods and admins on this forum can ban, but that won't take away the banned's games. With EA - and their EULA stating that your purchase is not actually a purchase, but that you only rent their games for a time that EA reserves the right to define - things are very different.
Yes, personal attacks on anyone, be it admin, mod or community member, will get you some serious banning time in here. I find it very easy to call a personal insult when I see one; terms like "abuse" (and "flaming"/"hate speech" come to think of it) however, I find very hard to put into a clear-cut definition. If a company takes a whole lot of criticism in their own forums, it's probably very natural to widen the definition and avenge even the lighter forms. That's probably where EA is at right now, hence the need to post that "reminder".
And I'd definitely like to encourage criticism on these boards in the future. I would not feel well being a moderator on forums where criticism is forbidden. I hope that ANYTHING can be said about the games in these forums as long as no one is insulted. It's just that certain forms of criticism are more constructive than others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=yctgK5DJJPA&NR=1
Uhhhh SOME people do this. A lot of people just rant.
So? If they are rude and threatening, I say ban 'em.
And there I saw this:
Let me translate that as good as I can:
In Accordance to the German "Jugendschutzgesetz" (protection of minors law) this item can only be purchased between 11pm and 6 am. Between 6am and 11pm you cannot place this item in your cart.
WAT?
"Abusive" does not necessarily equal "rude."
I'm rude at times. Should I be banned?
Heck, Rather Dashing can be downright belligerent and he's still around. By rights what you're saying is that he should not only be banned, but also have all of his downloadable TTG Store purchases revoked.
Amendment: Rude towards an individual or organization on repeated occasions.
And I am not complaining about the portion of the downloads being removed, which I feel should only occur in extreme circumstances. I'm complaining about the fact you think the ability to personally attack people should be maintained without proper punishment. Rather Dashing doesn't personally attack people - he expresses dislike for a product, but hardly attacks. What I've seen of the reaction to ME3 so far, though, goes a bit beyond attacks, and is horrible.
read this again:
As has been said by others, "abuse" is a subjective term; also, "zero tolerance" can mean after the first and only infraction, and "without notice" means having never previously been warned by a mod to stop complaining before being banned.
ie. A forum member at BioWare may complain about something of which they are greatly annoyed, and after the first post in which they do so, they can be banned and lose all access to games which they legally paid for.
And have you not read the various posts by RD in his rants about BTTF? I'm pretty sure several of them could be considered as hostility towards the TTG staff. Should he be banned? No. Why? Because TTG is sensible whereas BioWare is apparently not.
Fixed, and yes this is entirely my point.
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=554371&postcount=21
the whole thread:
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26498
In a sense, some parts of this were so near the truth that it's almost a prophecy.
First, it looks like EA really means it, although I could not believe it earlier, naive guy that I am. Registering ME3 DLC indeed means that the offline mode of Origin doesn't work anymore.. That's as close to consumer deception as it gets considering former EA statements. So I bought a DLC that I won't play and can't give back. The game's reluctance to load games in offline mode that used a DLC is as close to "we delete your savegame" as I can imagine. BRA-VO, EA, you got my money already without delivering. Isn't that what you always wanted?
That company owes me. That company owes me so fucking much.
Second, building up the galaxy to actually be READY for the final assault requires you to play multiplayer. Yes, it seems it's possible to reach the "best" ending without, but having your "readiness rating" consequently remain at 50% without the multiplayer, that leaves something to be desired. They don't even tell you why it remains there. It is EXPECTED that you find out by playing online. This is not a single player game, and heck, it should be.
Third, ME3 has effectively avoided the closure I was after (as discussed elsewhere). My decisions have built up to nothing; the fate of the universe is decided not in 100 hours of play, but in two really boring minutes; the last decision does not even have consequences that are really shown or discussed, but are rather only hinted at.
Fourth, where does EA/Bioware go from here? With the coming DLCs, there are only two ways to go on. (a) the new story elements take place before the final assault and therefore hardly change anything with the game - but might add to your readiness quite a bit and (b) the new story element take place after the final assault, giving you the change to explore that new world you've created a bit (provided your Shepard is not dead, which is normally the case). Yet the illusion that you have the chance to create three entirely DIFFERENT new worlds at ME3's end would be history.
Game designer Mike Gamble twitters:
With the above mentioned meager options they still have, whatever they're planning can't turn out that great. And second, what's that shit with holding on to my ME3 copy forever? I have to anyway, because these guys took my right to sell my retail games from me!!
That's just fore the console versions. The only versions that count.
Also either they plan more multiplayer events like the one this weekend or they just puke out a 10$ DLC pack every 2 months until the end of time.
Also I took this screenshot yesterday. And the ending of ME3 somehow saddens me when I think about this being released in the Arrival DLC last year...
This is where torrents (of DLC) become a better option, and where EA and BioWare shoot themselves in the foot.
And why is that?
Basically they're committing gaming hijacking.
Like the first time you brought HL2 or the The Orange Box home from the shop. I don't have to like their service but it would be hypocritical to argue with it on its principle as someone with a gazillion games on Steam.
Are you talking about Steam or Origin?
Origin, though it doesn't really matter. They're both the same in that regard which was my point.
At least Steam doesn't force me to be online all the times when I have DLC, and it doesn't ban me on Steam if I'm banned on the forums.
Aye, the single EA account for everything policy stinks though I think your DLC issues may be game specific, i'd no such issues with ME3 and a spotty connection.
Well ask some other people and they'd tell you that both services scan your entire PC, kill your dog and EAt your parents. While in reality only one of them does that.
EAt your parents?
Time to blow off some steam here. This problem has since been identified and discussed on the Bioware forums by users with the very same problem since the game was released in March. The problem lies with some internet connections and I was able to load saves that used the DLC in offline mode when I did not establish/deactivate an internet connection after booting my PC. Which of course screams "Origin looks for online possibilities even in offline mode", but that's not even the kicker.
Now, more than two months after release, and after EA must have found out about this huge fuckup, Origin has just reached version 8.6 (!) and a new patch for ME3 came out.
Does it fix this issue which sure as hell is known to Bioware and EA, I ask you, what do you think?
ZIP. They don't even acknowledge the problem.
Out of mere responsibility for other customers, I could not ever buy an EA product again. EA is an impressive symbol for EVERYTHING wrong in gaming these days, and if customers don't act according to that knowledge, PC gaming is sure to perish. :mad:
And be assured: According to EA there is no problem. That's just your stupid "user"-view on the case. But what Do you know. EA is glorious.
First, Deathspank is published by EA. It's like Ron Gilbert + EA = confused to the point of being mindblown.
Second, users used to hate on Steam when it first came out, for such as having games on disc requiring Steam, so it makes me wonder if the disdain for Origin will wane in future.