This thread is about Kenny, not Lilly....(i agree though she is a bitch.) Kenny is a backstabber who cares about nobody but himself. It even seems to me when he loses his family he only cares about himself still, judging by how he makes his son suffer until his last breath, and the gets mad at his wife for "leaving him." He is a selfish prick IMO. He only acts like he cares because he doesn't want to be alone.
I brought Lilly up is because the person that started this thread is a Lilly fan. He saved Christa/Put Ben out of his misery with a risk of getting himself eaten, when he fixed up the RV that saved everybody and was willing to take others on the boat, how is that somebody that cares about himself?
Makes his son suffer? As if it's easy to put a bullet in your own sons head while he's still alive at that point and his wife kills herself, the guy has every right to be mad at her because she left him alone as if she didn't care about him while she took a cowards way out.
This thread is about Kenny, not Lilly....(i agree though she is a bitch.) Kenny is a backstabber who cares about nobody but himself. It ev… moreen seems to me when he loses his family he only cares about himself still, judging by how he makes his son suffer until his last breath, and the gets mad at his wife for "leaving him." He is a selfish prick IMO. He only acts like he cares because he doesn't want to be alone.
But seriously, fuck Kenny though. If you do every single thing it takes to back him up other than murdering an old man, he whines about how you don't have his back. He's a racist piece of shit, fuck him sideways.
You know, for all the complaints about "Kenny fanboys" in this forum, I can't help but notice there are just as many threads started by fans who claim to hate his guts.
Just another reason why I highly doubt Telltale will leave a character this controversial behind in season 1.
my opinion, is that his character arc was one of the best in the game. but as a character/person, he is one shitty human being. for me he was the guy I loved to hate once he left Lee for the walkers immediately after I had sided with him.
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If you treat Kenny like a piece of crap, who saves you from Danny? Lilly?
Anyone have tried this?
Yeah Lilly comes to your rescue as Kenny just hides in the stall looking scared as hell.
I tried to stay neutral between Lilly and Kenny, but ended up siding with Lilly with the "salt lick". From there I pretty much sided with Lilly all the way till she did what she did. Still I managed to get Kenny to come with me look for Clem in Episode Four.
I brought Lilly up is because the person that started this thread is a Lilly fan. He saved Christa/Put Ben out of his misery with a risk of ge… moretting himself eaten, when he fixed up the RV that saved everybody and was willing to take others on the boat, how is that somebody that cares about himself?
Makes his son suffer? As if it's easy to put a bullet in your own sons head while he's still alive at that point and his wife kills herself, the guy has every right to be mad at her because she left him alone as if she didn't care about him while she took a cowards way out.
Kenny is a great man. no matter witch way you put it. sure he neglected a man causing a death, but wouldn't you do the same? if you had a kid that was being chased by walkers you'd do ANYTHING to ave your kid. Kenny also blamed himself for Shawn's death. as for not saving clementine and the others, apart from giving his life to save Christa (Wait you didint drop ben from the bell tower.....son of a bitch!) he saves you and his family and this is the reason everyone hates or loves kenny and why telltale should be applauded for making this character.
Kenny is a family man no matter witch way you put it. until episode 3 the thoughts going through his mind where
"Is duck okay" "is duck okay" "is duck okay" "no thanks lee give the food to duck" "is duck okay...."
I sided with kenny every opportunity i got not becuse "i love him... he is the best ECT" but becuse i understand his perspective on things. all his decisions where down to his family
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Episode 1: Dont get duck kicked out
Episode 2: make shure duck is fed, Push duck on the swing, Kill larry to save duck
Episode 3 Get duck to the car, duck isn't bit, kill duck or leave him there....
if you don't choose to save duck in ep. 1, he will backstab Lee and leave Lee to the walkers every chance he gets though, even if you side with him on everything else from that point on. He only "cares" for his family so that he's not alone. just look at how he forces his son to suffer to his last breath, and then is angry and not sad about kat.
That's why some people love to hate him. He's a horrible, selfish person if you dont side with him just about 100% of the time. with Kenny, there is no "grey area," you have to kiss his ass the whole game for him not to be a prick.
kenny haters.......
Kenny is a great man. no matter witch way you put it. sure he neglected a man causing a death, but wouldn't you do the… more same? if you had a kid that was being chased by walkers you'd do ANYTHING to ave your kid. Kenny also blamed himself for Shawn's death. as for not saving clementine and the others, apart from giving his life to save Christa (Wait you didint drop ben from the bell tower.....son of a bitch!) he saves you and his family and this is the reason everyone hates or loves kenny and why telltale should be applauded for making this character.
Kenny is a family man no matter witch way you put it. until episode 3 the thoughts going through his mind where
"Is duck okay" "is duck okay" "is duck okay" "no thanks lee give the food to duck" "is duck okay...."
I sided with kenny every opportunity i got not becuse "i love him... he is the best ECT" but becuse i understand his perspective on things. all his decisions … [view original content]
"He ends up saving you at the "Danny execution" scene."
Yes, but adding to the "F*** Kenny* argument, if you try to help Larry, Kenny instead just sort of cowers in the stall and doesn't try to save your life. On the other hand, Lilly actually outdoes Kenny and saves Lee's life twice in like a 10 minute span.
Also, in response to the Kenny is a great man idea... At the end of episode 4 when they're off to rescue Clementine from a predator, in almost every scenario Kenny hems and haws (or just outright refuses) about saving her. Think about that and let that sink in. Unless you choose the right choice of words, Kenny either refuses to rescue this innocent girl purely to spite Lee, or either leaves him twisting in the wind for a moment before he's "talked into" it. When I think of the two most hated original group members, Larry and Lilly, I cannot imagine either one of them doing that. Letting Clementine get abducted just to spite Lee. That's exhibit A for me of why people's love of Kenny is greatly undeserved.
Another thing. When the motel is raided, Kenny says, "Just leave her" in regards to Lilly. This was actually several moments before they eventually took off--there was more holdup I think with the RV starting--so this was not a case of him putting the good of the group ahead of the individual. No, he just wanted to indirectly kill her. Now of course, we know later on that Lilly completely loses it and kills either Doug or Carley, but at this point in time, that hadn't happened. At this point her biggest crime was butting heads with Kenny--and for that, he deems her worthy of a death sentence.
I would NOT want to be in a group with Kenny if an actual zombie apocalypse happened. You'd have to spend every minute kissing his ass or else he'd start scheming to screw you over.
I share this sentiment to a far, far lesser extent. Kenny, along with Lilly and Carley... (In fact, those are the only three characters that I don't like in the whole game. Even Larry was cooler than these three (well, that's not fair, Larry was extremely cool)) Kenny and Lilly, for being the same character (for the most part), and Kenny is even with Lilly only because he does shit just as bad as what Lilly does to Ben/Doug/Carley, yet everyone hates Lilly far more than Kenny. That bugs me to no fuckin end.
Oh, and Carley's just kinda boring. She was cool in the first episode, but then the sudden jump to Lee's biggest fan made her actions predictable, and somewhat irritating. In the final argument, I went out of my way to get Carley shot, because I was tired of her bullshit... Though I knew that no matter what, she was gonna get shot, because of Doug's death in the same exact spot.
So so true. If you aint with Kenny at least 90% or 80% of the time he pretty much hates you. Hes a nice and friendly person but his morals and attitude has very selfish and prideful aspects. Plus he holds grudges not good, not good at all.
"He ends up saving you at the "Danny execution" scene."
Yes, but adding to the "F*** Kenny* argument, if you try to help Larry, Kenny inste… moread just sort of cowers in the stall and doesn't try to save your life. On the other hand, Lilly actually outdoes Kenny and saves Lee's life twice in like a 10 minute span.
Also, in response to the Kenny is a great man idea... At the end of episode 4 when they're off to rescue Clementine from a predator, in almost every scenario Kenny hems and haws (or just outright refuses) about saving her. Think about that and let that sink in. Unless you choose the right choice of words, Kenny either refuses to rescue this innocent girl purely to spite Lee, or either leaves him twisting in the wind for a moment before he's "talked into" it. When I think of the two most hated original group members, Larry and Lilly, I cannot imagine either one of them doing that. Letting Clementine get abducted just to spite Lee. … [view original content]
Yes, I understand. I've always understood. I just don't like him because of the existence/execution of Lilly's character. Here's Kenny's arc.
He starts happy with his family. He soon tries to lead the group, but butts heads with a certain someone that we'll get to later.
Goes into denial when his son becomes unsavable, followed by deep depression when his wife /son die.
Attempts to murder the person who committed these crimes.
(Determinately: )
Comes to terms with the one who murdered his family, and takes him in as a son of his own.
(Indeterminately: )
Ends up choosing the life of another over his own, after learning that other people matter more than "Me and my own."
Lilly's character arc:
She starts stressed with the only family she has left. She tries to control the group, but butts heads with a certain someone that this whole discussion is based off of.
Goes into denial when her father becomes (possibly) unsavable, followed by deep depression/paranoia when her father dies.
Attempts to murder the person who put those who are left alive in danger.
Yet people hate Lilly immensely. That bugs me. Plus, the eerie similarities between the arcs bugged me as well.
kenny haters.......
Kenny is a great man. no matter witch way you put it. sure he neglected a man causing a death, but wouldn't you do the… more same? if you had a kid that was being chased by walkers you'd do ANYTHING to ave your kid. Kenny also blamed himself for Shawn's death. as for not saving clementine and the others, apart from giving his life to save Christa (Wait you didint drop ben from the bell tower.....son of a bitch!) he saves you and his family and this is the reason everyone hates or loves kenny and why telltale should be applauded for making this character.
Kenny is a family man no matter witch way you put it. until episode 3 the thoughts going through his mind where
"Is duck okay" "is duck okay" "is duck okay" "no thanks lee give the food to duck" "is duck okay...."
I sided with kenny every opportunity i got not becuse "i love him... he is the best ECT" but becuse i understand his perspective on things. all his decisions … [view original content]
"He ends up saving you at the "Danny execution" scene."
Yes, but adding to the "F*** Kenny* argument, if you try to help Larry, Kenny inste… moread just sort of cowers in the stall and doesn't try to save your life. On the other hand, Lilly actually outdoes Kenny and saves Lee's life twice in like a 10 minute span.
Also, in response to the Kenny is a great man idea... At the end of episode 4 when they're off to rescue Clementine from a predator, in almost every scenario Kenny hems and haws (or just outright refuses) about saving her. Think about that and let that sink in. Unless you choose the right choice of words, Kenny either refuses to rescue this innocent girl purely to spite Lee, or either leaves him twisting in the wind for a moment before he's "talked into" it. When I think of the two most hated original group members, Larry and Lilly, I cannot imagine either one of them doing that. Letting Clementine get abducted just to spite Lee. … [view original content]
Perhaps people hate Lilly more because she A) Killed a more popular character than Kenny did (Lilly kills Carley or Doug, Lee's biggest supporter) and Kenny kills Larry (the guy who tried to kill you). And Unlike Kenny, Lilly didn't get a heroic moment to prove that she wasn't a horrible person. Kenny either puts Ben out of his misery or saves Christa, while Lilly gets left behind or steals the RV from you. That seems to be the only explanation, at least to me.
Yes, I understand. I've always understood. I just don't like him because of the existence/execution of Lilly's character. Here's Kenny's arc.
… more
He starts happy with his family. He soon tries to lead the group, but butts heads with a certain someone that we'll get to later.
Goes into denial when his son becomes unsavable, followed by deep depression when his wife /son die.
Attempts to murder the person who committed these crimes.
(Determinately: )
Comes to terms with the one who murdered his family, and takes him in as a son of his own.
(Indeterminately: )
Ends up choosing the life of another over his own, after learning that other people matter more than "Me and my own."
Lilly's character arc:
She starts stressed with the only family she has left. She tries to control the group, but butts heads with a certain someone that this whole discussion is based off of.
Goes into denial when her father becomes (possibly) unsavable, foll… [view original content]
That's true, but Kenny tries to kill Lee if he doesn't kill Larry. Lilly just doesn't risk a shot... This all supports my argument that the only reason people like Kenny more is because telltale does, and they put him in better situations than Lilly.
Perhaps people hate Lilly more because she A) Killed a more popular character than Kenny did (Lilly kills Carley or Doug, Lee's biggest suppor… moreter) and Kenny kills Larry (the guy who tried to kill you). And Unlike Kenny, Lilly didn't get a heroic moment to prove that she wasn't a horrible person. Kenny either puts Ben out of his misery or saves Christa, while Lilly gets left behind or steals the RV from you. That seems to be the only explanation, at least to me.
The thing that has always bothered me, was that when I saved Duck, which led to Hershel's son dying, Kenny said "His blood is on our hands." Kenny did not even help at all. That's why I don't like him.
Well, in Telltale's defense, they initially intended for Lilly to be the same one from the comics, which WOULD have given her that situation that's similar to Kenny's where she can prove she's a good person. That is where she shoots the Governor because he's a monster and tries to save the rest of the Woodbury army. But because of the debacle with Road to Woodbury, suddenly she WASN'T the same Lilly as the one from the comics, and Telltale had already written out the story of Season 1, including her part in it. It's not that they like her less than Kenny, it's that her moment of goodness was basically given to someone else. So now, our Lilly really doesn't have much in the way of redeeming moments thanks to Kirkman's retcon.
That's true, but Kenny tries to kill Lee if he doesn't kill Larry. Lilly just doesn't risk a shot... This all supports my argument that the only reason people like Kenny more is because telltale does, and they put him in better situations than Lilly.
Kenny was a dick to me through almost my entire playthrough. I couldnt believe how many times he left me die. Still, I put up with his garbage until he refused to help me find Clementine and then gave me that BS speech about how I never did anything for him. Ive never been so mad at a video game character in my life. As weird as that sounds, it still makes me mad to think about it. Good job Telltale, I guess lol.
so no one seems knows how to treat someone like Kenny? he is my most loyal friend. its Lilly and Larry who I've hated the whole game. i was so happy to tear Lilly away from that dick of a father Larry. Kenny always had my back I even kept a few bullets in Ep 5, just in case something happened, ( and cuz i wasn't going to waste all my ammo, i shot twice and just watched), and OMG i was so glad. when I realized what Kenny was going to do for Ben, yes i kept him alive in my main play through if you want a reason, one word.....Clem. In short, as long as you treat him like a human he will be your most loyal friend through out the game
so no one seems knows how to treat someone like Kenny? he is my most loyal friend. its Lilly and Larry who I've hated the whole game. i was so… more happy to tear Lilly away from that dick of a father Larry. Kenny always had my back I even kept a few bullets in Ep 5, just in case something happened, ( and cuz i wasn't going to waste all my ammo, i shot twice and just watched), and OMG i was so glad. when I realized what Kenny was going to do for Ben, yes i kept him alive in my main play through if you want a reason, one word.....Clem. In short, as long as you treat him like a human he will be your most loyal friend through out the game
That's just not true at least not in my case. I did everything for Kenny except agree with him to kill Larry. From then on, he treated my Lee like garbage. He's a fair-weather friend. He only sticks with you if you completely go along with him in everything.
so no one seems knows how to treat someone like Kenny? he is my most loyal friend. its Lilly and Larry who I've hated the whole game. i was so… more happy to tear Lilly away from that dick of a father Larry. Kenny always had my back I even kept a few bullets in Ep 5, just in case something happened, ( and cuz i wasn't going to waste all my ammo, i shot twice and just watched), and OMG i was so glad. when I realized what Kenny was going to do for Ben, yes i kept him alive in my main play through if you want a reason, one word.....Clem. In short, as long as you treat him like a human he will be your most loyal friend through out the game
That's just not true at least not in my case. I did everything for Kenny except agree with him to kill Larry. From then on, he treated my Lee… more like garbage. He's a fair-weather friend. He only sticks with you if you completely go along with him in everything.
Whoa whoa whoa treating someone as a human does not mean killing someone to appease them. Treating someone as human is not going against your morals to satisfy theirs. You do what "you" think is right. Loyalty and at least trust in a relationship should go both ways. In Kenny's "friendship" its greatly one sided.
so no one seems knows how to treat someone like Kenny? he is my most loyal friend. its Lilly and Larry who I've hated the whole game. i was so… more happy to tear Lilly away from that dick of a father Larry. Kenny always had my back I even kept a few bullets in Ep 5, just in case something happened, ( and cuz i wasn't going to waste all my ammo, i shot twice and just watched), and OMG i was so glad. when I realized what Kenny was going to do for Ben, yes i kept him alive in my main play through if you want a reason, one word.....Clem. In short, as long as you treat him like a human he will be your most loyal friend through out the game
Exactly, when Kenny decided to stay with the boat while a little girl was abducted by some stranger, my heart broke, and I was done with him. The only thing that redeemed him was the fact that he sacrificed himself to save Ben from his greatest fear, becoming one of the walkers.
"He ends up saving you at the "Danny execution" scene."
Yes, but adding to the "F*** Kenny* argument, if you try to help Larry, Kenny inste… moread just sort of cowers in the stall and doesn't try to save your life. On the other hand, Lilly actually outdoes Kenny and saves Lee's life twice in like a 10 minute span.
Also, in response to the Kenny is a great man idea... At the end of episode 4 when they're off to rescue Clementine from a predator, in almost every scenario Kenny hems and haws (or just outright refuses) about saving her. Think about that and let that sink in. Unless you choose the right choice of words, Kenny either refuses to rescue this innocent girl purely to spite Lee, or either leaves him twisting in the wind for a moment before he's "talked into" it. When I think of the two most hated original group members, Larry and Lilly, I cannot imagine either one of them doing that. Letting Clementine get abducted just to spite Lee. … [view original content]
Kenny was a good man. I didnt help him to kill Larry because I always try to help first. If there is no other way then I do it in the hard way. But Kenny was good man. He hated Ben but shot him that he doesnt feel any pain. That man risked his life to save Ben after all Ben did. Kenny is/was a hero!
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But there will be a fuck Wall Street. (lol jk.)
This is my favorite thread too! I took a break for awhile but decided to reread some of the posts on this thread to get back into the swing of things!
Haha, this thread is gold! It never gets old!
Kenny is a lot braver than Lilly who is the real coward as well as an evil bitch.
This thread is about Kenny, not Lilly....(i agree though she is a bitch.) Kenny is a backstabber who cares about nobody but himself. It even seems to me when he loses his family he only cares about himself still, judging by how he makes his son suffer until his last breath, and the gets mad at his wife for "leaving him." He is a selfish prick IMO. He only acts like he cares because he doesn't want to be alone.
I brought Lilly up is because the person that started this thread is a Lilly fan. He saved Christa/Put Ben out of his misery with a risk of getting himself eaten, when he fixed up the RV that saved everybody and was willing to take others on the boat, how is that somebody that cares about himself?
Makes his son suffer? As if it's easy to put a bullet in your own sons head while he's still alive at that point and his wife kills herself, the guy has every right to be mad at her because she left him alone as if she didn't care about him while she took a cowards way out.
But seriously, fuck Kenny though. If you do every single thing it takes to back him up other than murdering an old man, he whines about how you don't have his back. He's a racist piece of shit, fuck him sideways.
You know, for all the complaints about "Kenny fanboys" in this forum, I can't help but notice there are just as many threads started by fans who claim to hate his guts.
Just another reason why I highly doubt Telltale will leave a character this controversial behind in season 1.
my opinion, is that his character arc was one of the best in the game. but as a character/person, he is one shitty human being. for me he was the guy I loved to hate once he left Lee for the walkers immediately after I had sided with him.
no he hides either way and Lilly comes anyways...its doesn't make a difference
I tried to stay neutral between Lilly and Kenny, but ended up siding with Lilly with the "salt lick". From there I pretty much sided with Lilly all the way till she did what she did. Still I managed to get Kenny to come with me look for Clem in Episode Four.
It's not brave to get devoured.. it's stupid. Katjaa was smart.
Suicide is retarded.
kenny haters.......
Kenny is a great man. no matter witch way you put it. sure he neglected a man causing a death, but wouldn't you do the same? if you had a kid that was being chased by walkers you'd do ANYTHING to ave your kid. Kenny also blamed himself for Shawn's death. as for not saving clementine and the others, apart from giving his life to save Christa (Wait you didint drop ben from the bell tower.....son of a bitch!) he saves you and his family and this is the reason everyone hates or loves kenny and why telltale should be applauded for making this character.
Kenny is a family man no matter witch way you put it. until episode 3 the thoughts going through his mind where
"Is duck okay" "is duck okay" "is duck okay" "no thanks lee give the food to duck" "is duck okay...."
I sided with kenny every opportunity i got not becuse "i love him... he is the best ECT" but becuse i understand his perspective on things. all his decisions where down to his family
Eg
Episode 1: Dont get duck kicked out
Episode 2: make shure duck is fed, Push duck on the swing, Kill larry to save duck
Episode 3 Get duck to the car, duck isn't bit, kill duck or leave him there....
Understand now
if you don't choose to save duck in ep. 1, he will backstab Lee and leave Lee to the walkers every chance he gets though, even if you side with him on everything else from that point on. He only "cares" for his family so that he's not alone. just look at how he forces his son to suffer to his last breath, and then is angry and not sad about kat.
That's why some people love to hate him. He's a horrible, selfish person if you dont side with him just about 100% of the time. with Kenny, there is no "grey area," you have to kiss his ass the whole game for him not to be a prick.
He has a godly stache though lol
"He ends up saving you at the "Danny execution" scene."
Yes, but adding to the "F*** Kenny* argument, if you try to help Larry, Kenny instead just sort of cowers in the stall and doesn't try to save your life. On the other hand, Lilly actually outdoes Kenny and saves Lee's life twice in like a 10 minute span.
Also, in response to the Kenny is a great man idea... At the end of episode 4 when they're off to rescue Clementine from a predator, in almost every scenario Kenny hems and haws (or just outright refuses) about saving her. Think about that and let that sink in. Unless you choose the right choice of words, Kenny either refuses to rescue this innocent girl purely to spite Lee, or either leaves him twisting in the wind for a moment before he's "talked into" it. When I think of the two most hated original group members, Larry and Lilly, I cannot imagine either one of them doing that. Letting Clementine get abducted just to spite Lee. That's exhibit A for me of why people's love of Kenny is greatly undeserved.
Another thing. When the motel is raided, Kenny says, "Just leave her" in regards to Lilly. This was actually several moments before they eventually took off--there was more holdup I think with the RV starting--so this was not a case of him putting the good of the group ahead of the individual. No, he just wanted to indirectly kill her. Now of course, we know later on that Lilly completely loses it and kills either Doug or Carley, but at this point in time, that hadn't happened. At this point her biggest crime was butting heads with Kenny--and for that, he deems her worthy of a death sentence.
I would NOT want to be in a group with Kenny if an actual zombie apocalypse happened. You'd have to spend every minute kissing his ass or else he'd start scheming to screw you over.
I share this sentiment to a far, far lesser extent. Kenny, along with Lilly and Carley... (In fact, those are the only three characters that I don't like in the whole game. Even Larry was cooler than these three (well, that's not fair, Larry was extremely cool)) Kenny and Lilly, for being the same character (for the most part), and Kenny is even with Lilly only because he does shit just as bad as what Lilly does to Ben/Doug/Carley, yet everyone hates Lilly far more than Kenny. That bugs me to no fuckin end.
Oh, and Carley's just kinda boring. She was cool in the first episode, but then the sudden jump to Lee's biggest fan made her actions predictable, and somewhat irritating. In the final argument, I went out of my way to get Carley shot, because I was tired of her bullshit... Though I knew that no matter what, she was gonna get shot, because of Doug's death in the same exact spot.
So so true. If you aint with Kenny at least 90% or 80% of the time he pretty much hates you. Hes a nice and friendly person but his morals and attitude has very selfish and prideful aspects. Plus he holds grudges not good, not good at all.
Yes, I understand. I've always understood. I just don't like him because of the existence/execution of Lilly's character. Here's Kenny's arc.
He starts happy with his family. He soon tries to lead the group, but butts heads with a certain someone that we'll get to later.
Goes into denial when his son becomes unsavable, followed by deep depression when his wife /son die.
Attempts to murder the person who committed these crimes.
(Determinately: )
Comes to terms with the one who murdered his family, and takes him in as a son of his own.
(Indeterminately: )
Ends up choosing the life of another over his own, after learning that other people matter more than "Me and my own."
Lilly's character arc:
She starts stressed with the only family she has left. She tries to control the group, but butts heads with a certain someone that this whole discussion is based off of.
Goes into denial when her father becomes (possibly) unsavable, followed by deep depression/paranoia when her father dies.
Attempts to murder the person who put those who are left alive in danger.
Yet people hate Lilly immensely. That bugs me. Plus, the eerie similarities between the arcs bugged me as well.
Well... Kenny ends up saving Lee's life twice as well, with the door.
That's true. I feel that Lilly would help Lee. But Larry would just fuckin kill Lee.
There, he wanted to get out of there as soon as possible, but that's a good point.
I wouldn't want to be in a group with Lilly, Larry, Vernon, Lee, or Mark, but (most of) those guys are well written.
Perhaps people hate Lilly more because she A) Killed a more popular character than Kenny did (Lilly kills Carley or Doug, Lee's biggest supporter) and Kenny kills Larry (the guy who tried to kill you). And
Unlike Kenny, Lilly didn't get a heroic moment to prove that she wasn't a horrible person. Kenny either puts Ben out of his misery or saves Christa, while Lilly gets left behind or steals the RV from you. That seems to be the only explanation, at least to me.
That's true, but Kenny tries to kill Lee if he doesn't kill Larry. Lilly just doesn't risk a shot... This all supports my argument that the only reason people like Kenny more is because telltale does, and they put him in better situations than Lilly.
The thing that has always bothered me, was that when I saved Duck, which led to Hershel's son dying, Kenny said "His blood is on our hands." Kenny did not even help at all. That's why I don't like him.
Well, in Telltale's defense, they initially intended for Lilly to be the same one from the comics, which WOULD have given her that situation that's similar to Kenny's where she can prove she's a good person. That is where she shoots the Governor because he's a monster and tries to save the rest of the Woodbury army. But because of the debacle with Road to Woodbury, suddenly she WASN'T the same Lilly as the one from the comics, and Telltale had already written out the story of Season 1, including her part in it. It's not that they like her less than Kenny, it's that her moment of goodness was basically given to someone else. So now, our Lilly really doesn't have much in the way of redeeming moments thanks to Kirkman's retcon.
Kenny was a dick to me through almost my entire playthrough. I couldnt believe how many times he left me die. Still, I put up with his garbage until he refused to help me find Clementine and then gave me that BS speech about how I never did anything for him. Ive never been so mad at a video game character in my life. As weird as that sounds, it still makes me mad to think about it. Good job Telltale, I guess lol.
yes she does
so no one seems knows how to treat someone like Kenny? he is my most loyal friend. its Lilly and Larry who I've hated the whole game. i was so happy to tear Lilly away from that dick of a father Larry. Kenny always had my back I even kept a few bullets in Ep 5, just in case something happened, ( and cuz i wasn't going to waste all my ammo, i shot twice and just watched), and OMG i was so glad. when I realized what Kenny was going to do for Ben, yes i kept him alive in my main play through if you want a reason, one word.....Clem. In short, as long as you treat him like a human he will be your most loyal friend through out the game
^This
That's just not true at least not in my case. I did everything for Kenny except agree with him to kill Larry. From then on, he treated my Lee like garbage. He's a fair-weather friend. He only sticks with you if you completely go along with him in everything.
That is true. But, dat moustache...
Whoa whoa whoa treating someone as a human does not mean killing someone to appease them. Treating someone as human is not going against your morals to satisfy theirs. You do what "you" think is right. Loyalty and at least trust in a relationship should go both ways. In Kenny's "friendship" its greatly one sided.
Exactly, when Kenny decided to stay with the boat while a little girl was abducted by some stranger, my heart broke, and I was done with him. The only thing that redeemed him was the fact that he sacrificed himself to save Ben from his greatest fear, becoming one of the walkers.
Kenny was a good man. I didnt help him to kill Larry because I always try to help first. If there is no other way then I do it in the hard way. But Kenny was good man. He hated Ben but shot him that he doesnt feel any pain. That man risked his life to save Ben after all Ben did. Kenny is/was a hero!