In your first playthrough did you...
...both chop off the teacher's leg, and side with Lilly in the meat locker? What were the exact circumstances behind each dilemma that you faced?
For an example, I will tell you what happened in MY first playthrough of episode 2. I didn't immediately chop off the teacher's leg. I first tried to hit the chain with the axe, and after that failed to do ANY visible damage, I then tried to pry open the trap by force. It was at this point Kenny said "Do something now or ..." (and I honestly don't remember EVERYTHING he said, because of the heat of the moment). At this point, I decided to chop off his leg. Three hits, leg was off, and I escaped with the teacher.
Fast forward to the meat locker, I chose to side with Kenny, for a multitude of reasons that would take TOO long to put here, but the least of which being that I felt that it was impossible to save Larry's life, and that every second exponentially increased the risk of him turning into a walker with us still trapped in the meat locker. Even then, I waited 'til the last possible second to finally click on Kenny.
I'm not going to include a poll, because I feel that is impossible to accurately capture EVERYONE'S specific reasoning behind their choices (not without using up the 50 option limit, anyway). With that said, please feel free to say WHY you did what you did, in both situations! I'm hoping to glean some insight on how morally consistent people are, and I think that these two situations are the closest I can get in game for comparison!
Also, please try to keep disagreements to a minimum - there are plenty of other threads in which already exist to argue about the finer parts of morality in the Walking Dead setting - all of which I would recommend if you are looking for a good time (or argument
)! I'm really looking for more a statistical view of people, as opposed to WHY someone is right or wrong.
EDIT: Part 2, for those who chopped off the leg - did it occur to you that the teacher may die from blood loss later? Did it matter to you that he might have been dead either way?
Part 3 - What was your honest assessment at Larry's chance at life? If you had to give a percentage as to how sure you were that he could be revived, what would it be? Did that influence your decision to side with Lilly or not?
Part 4 - How many of you also gave Irene the gun in episode one? Explain why you did or did not allow her to kill herself.
For an example, I will tell you what happened in MY first playthrough of episode 2. I didn't immediately chop off the teacher's leg. I first tried to hit the chain with the axe, and after that failed to do ANY visible damage, I then tried to pry open the trap by force. It was at this point Kenny said "Do something now or ..." (and I honestly don't remember EVERYTHING he said, because of the heat of the moment). At this point, I decided to chop off his leg. Three hits, leg was off, and I escaped with the teacher.
Fast forward to the meat locker, I chose to side with Kenny, for a multitude of reasons that would take TOO long to put here, but the least of which being that I felt that it was impossible to save Larry's life, and that every second exponentially increased the risk of him turning into a walker with us still trapped in the meat locker. Even then, I waited 'til the last possible second to finally click on Kenny.
I'm not going to include a poll, because I feel that is impossible to accurately capture EVERYONE'S specific reasoning behind their choices (not without using up the 50 option limit, anyway). With that said, please feel free to say WHY you did what you did, in both situations! I'm hoping to glean some insight on how morally consistent people are, and I think that these two situations are the closest I can get in game for comparison!
Also, please try to keep disagreements to a minimum - there are plenty of other threads in which already exist to argue about the finer parts of morality in the Walking Dead setting - all of which I would recommend if you are looking for a good time (or argument
)! I'm really looking for more a statistical view of people, as opposed to WHY someone is right or wrong.EDIT: Part 2, for those who chopped off the leg - did it occur to you that the teacher may die from blood loss later? Did it matter to you that he might have been dead either way?
Part 3 - What was your honest assessment at Larry's chance at life? If you had to give a percentage as to how sure you were that he could be revived, what would it be? Did that influence your decision to side with Lilly or not?
Part 4 - How many of you also gave Irene the gun in episode one? Explain why you did or did not allow her to kill herself.
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How long before you cut off the leg? Was it an immediate decision, or did you try to find other options, first?
For me, I just rammed the axe on it immediately. I knew there was no other way for him to get out.
So you left him to die? And did you side with Lilly or Kenny in the meat locker?
In the meat locker I sided with Kenny, there is no way your coming back from a heart attack, well that is actually wrong sins you would turn and become a zombie!
you need a defibrillator to even have a remote chance to save a guy that died from a hearth attack (which is what Larry did! he died!)
and had Kenny not salt licked Larry I would have done it myself. Kenny was absolutely right in a few minutes we would have had an undead Larry in the meat locker with us.
And I sided with Lilly. It may not have been the best tactical decision at the time, but reviving Larry would have meant having an extra pair of hands around when fighting off the brothers.
I sided with Lilly because I had started to like Larry. I figured we would finally see eye to eye after I had fed him, given him the ax at the motel, and didn't let him eat the meat. He had the heart problem in episode 1 and came out no worse for wear and I thought the same would happen in the locker. When Kenny dropped the bomb I was shocked.
I also sided with Lilly because no one should be given up.
Only two people cut off the leg AND sided with Kenny.
And one person did NOT try to cut off the leg, and sided with Lilly.
Out of the six people who cut off the leg, only one person was unsuccessful due to delaying too long to make the decision. Two have admitted to cutting the leg off right away.
But, seriously people, I wouldn't call six people a good sample size. Come forth one and all with your answers! It's for science! Think of Cave Johnson! (I'm looking at you, the + sixty people who looked at the thread and didn't respond!)
I cut the leg off immediately since I was certain it was the only way. I don't really see why we weren't given the option to cut down the tree though; then Lee, Kenny and Mark could just have carried the teacher, the trap and the chain into the camp. I'm sure they'd have found use for the chain in the fortification process as well.
As to the meatlocker, I don't know how other people manage to bring up any positive feelings towards Lilly whatsoever. To me she's just completely unlikable and whiney, and the few times she's "showing her soft side" or being nice just seem utterly artificial, which caused me to discard them from my general view on her entirely. Occasionally I found her even worse than her dad.
So yeah, I helped Kenny because I'm willing to do whatever it takes to piss Lilly off and, hopefully, speed up the ETA of her leaving the group. Apart from this I've so far always preferred Kenny's views on things, and in the meat locker he was making a lot more sense than Lilly as well.
In the meat locker I sided with Lilly, didn't have the heart to kill her old man while she was begging me to help save him. My gut feeling was, there's a line to be drawn in killing the dead to protect the living. Once you start to blur it, pre-emptively killing a man you aren't sure is dead, it seems like a slippery slope.
Funny thing is though, after Larry tried to kill me back in the drug store, I made a mental note that first chance I got, I'd take him out. It just didn't pan out that way.
In the meat locker I sided with Lilly because that was the human thing to do. I've always followed the logic of saving kids and women first. Lilly needed me and I helped without hesitating. I don't regret that choice at all.
I must point out that before that I'd sided with Kenny most of the times although I stayed neutral when he was quarreling with Lilly. I wanted to keep the group stable. Despite my efforts he destroyed it because of his egocentrism and then he betrayed me. After saving and feeding his kid twice.
Also, I need to point out that through the entire episode 2 I was trying and hoping to get along with Lilly and Larry. Although I failed, mainly because I told Mark that Larry thinks I'm dangerous and he told him, I managed to see Lilly's good side.
Then after Kenny betrayed me I felt really bad for Lilly. I've been against her in order to support Kenny and he just left me for dead. So I felt I've been really mean to her and unlike Kenny, she doesn't deserve that. So I deleted all my saves and started from the beginning, remaking all good and bad choices but this time treating Kenny as he deserved.
Fast forward to the meat locker, I chose to side with Kenny because I didn't want a big .... huge zombie eating us all so I pulled Lilly away and well... Kenny dropped the saltlick on him and well.. I don't think Lilly belongs to the group and even tho Kenny changed I like him. :rolleyes:
Pretty sure that wasn't a choice. You can either leave him to be mauled by the walkers or chop his leg off and have him turn into a walker later on (if you leave him in the woods you'll kill Travis instead and have him turn into a walker, so the decision doesn't seem to have a huge impact on the following events)
I thought it was pretty stupid of the teen who got sick to wander off and place his back to zombies considering we all had commented on their approach in a "hurry up and get out of here" kind of way. I'm glad he died; stupid and full of himself with his "my father is special forces" blah blah blah.
And when it came to the Meat Locker? I sided with Kenny. Afterwards, I felt sick at all that transpired because of that choice. I regretted it. At the same time, I would honestly make the decision again. It was a hard choice, it was the correct choice for survival with the information I had. And there was the potential I murdered someone with a chance for life. That choice will linger. It will haunt me (Lee). And it should haunt him/me. It'll also haunt Kenny and he was 100% behind it. Kenny will always hate himself. He even keeps looking to Katjaa to see if she still loves what he's becoming. (After the Duck/Shawn choice, her look causes him to offer a ride to Macon. Also, in the store after he talks to you about the choice, there is a long glance between he and her. She knows what he's wrestling with and he is relieved to know she hasn't turned her back on him or judged him for his choices.)
The rationalization and consolation he seeks from Lee for his decisions will always just be something that keeps him from putting a bullet in his own brain (second to a living family.) In a world where the apocalypse ended and normalcy returned, I can see Kenny becoming either a drunk or killing himself because his family is safe. I honestly do.
"Think about Lilly... think about Lilly..."
i sided with kenny on everything btw
He also sincerely apologizes to Lilly for what he "is about to do" so to speak. Some people would say sorry isn't enough, and it won't be to her. But he apologized before, not after, and his tone of voice was very sincere to me. And the look on his face after he does it, he seems to be shocked even at himself from his own actions. HE says/does these things whether your side with him or not. There's an inner battle in him, there, that is raging just as much in him as ourselves/Lee. He's far more complex a character than Lilly, although emotionally, I totally get her thoughts processes about the decision and for leaving me to die afterward on the fence. I wish the next episode would take that into account. Larry, apparently, never rethinks his humanity after that, totally rationalizing it and unapologetic. In epi 3, She should be shocked at her own feelings about leaving him to die if she were a complex enough character. Unfortunately, following this forum has told me about the show/comic book series and I worry she'll be going poof soon.
Did you also chop off the teacher's leg? If you tried, were you successful in saving him? Did you hesitate before choosing to cut his leg off?
I also sided with Lily because I'm not about to let somebody get killed because he might be lost anyway. That's not how I roll.
-Did you try to cut off the teacher's leg? (regardless of if you were successful or not!)
-Did you end up saving the teacher, or did fiddling around mean you left the teacher to die?
-Did you side with Lilly, or with Kenny in the meat locker?
There will be a part two for people who did cut off the teacher's leg, but not until I leave enough time for everyone to get a chance to answer part one. Tell your friends!
If there was a way to mercy kill the teacher I'd try that option out over simply running away, but the alternative simply didn't appeal to me.
When in the meat locker, I knew what was going down, but knew that Lily needed me on her side. I wanted to pull Kenny aside later and say "Thank god, man. I didn't want to do that."
Interesting- you thought that killing Larry was the right thing to do, but didn't want to be the one to take the fall? Or you were expecting that you would save Larry's life and that you would then be relieved that NO ONE had to kill him?
Tried everything to get the teacher out and even tried to cut the tree down!
then moved on to cut his leg off and ran out of time before the final cut, poor guy! at least his suffering didn't last long......
Sided with Kenny in the meat locker, felt so wrong forcibly holding back a pleading woman who was only trying to save her father and then choosing the "I know you hate Kenny" option with Lilly only added to my guilt.
Lilly: "Kenny has his family and you have Clementine. I've got nothing now. You've left me with nothing" sorry Lilly.....
I'm with Lilly in all my other playthroughs now. By choosing to side and be civil to her she is much more pleasant and thus I've come to understand her and Larry better than I did, causing me to respect and like her more than I did in episode 1.
When outside fighting one of the brothers Lilly just stood there with her gun doing nothing.
I was like, yeah well I deserved that. Still hate her for it hough.
I hope she leaves in ep.3 And if I get in a situation where I need to save her life I wont. Ha take that you B....!
I tried. I got in one good hit before time ran out. That was rough.
Too much fiddling around. Tried the chain, then the trap. Then the leg. Hit the leg once then had to fall back. Teacher got eaten by walkers. Damn.
Sided with Lilly. It was a moment of weakness. I had every intention of killing Larry at my first opportunity but after talking with Lilly by the gazebo I began to understand why Larry is the way he is (was). Hesitated, tried CPR, thought I could kill him later...thanks Kenny.
On the up side, that was a cool scene with Larry's blood all over Lilly, she has her weapon at the ready, in a patrol mode when the group is walking back to the motel. She looks like a T2000 hunting for humans.
I sided with Kenny in the meat locker. In hindsight I would try to save Larry, but at the time I didn't know if he would reanimate and attack Clem. In a real life situation where there is no "game over" and "retry" I would have figured him as good as dead and too dangerous to hope for the best.
In the meat locker, I hated Larry but I still side with Lilly. A daughter is pleading to me for the life of her father and I can't ignore it.
In the meatlocker I sided with Lilly, as I wasn't utterly convinced Larry couldn't be saved. "Killing" a man you don't know for sure is dead is crossing the line for me. I even thought "hey, those salt licks are probably here for this reason" and figured that maybe a large chunk of salt forced down larry's throat might have the same effect as a shot of adrenaline and make his heart start pumping again (yes everyone, be happy I didn't study medicine). I was wrong, even though the salt licks were there for that scene alright...
The first. I knew Kenny would do the dirty job and I could still look good. I never thought it'd turn Kenny into what he ended up being though. Yeek.
I sided with Kenny in the meat locker, just because of what happened back at the Motor Inn, with the teacher becoming a zombie pretty fast. (There was only a 30-40 second period between Katjaa telling Kenny and Lee that the teacher's dead, and him attacking her.)
As for Larry, I'd softened on him by the time he collapsed and was firmly in Team Lilly so didn't hesitate to help. I was furious at Kenny seeing as Larry was just waking up when he got his head smashed in.
Out of twenty-two (22) people, nineteen (19) at least attempted to cut off the teacher's leg. Fifteen (15) were successful, and four (4) ran out of time (yikes!).
Only three (3) people didn't attempt to chop off the leg.
Kenny ended up with eight (8) supporters in the meat locker.
Lilly had fourteen (14) supporters in the meat locker.
Every single person who sided with Kenny in the meat locker decided to cut off the teacher's leg. Only one (1) person from this subset failed to chop through the entire leg.
Out of the group that sided with Lilly, sixpeople ended up leaving the teacher to die ( three [3] attempting to cut off the leg but failing). Eight managed to rescue the teacher.
There. Hardly enough people to draw conclusions from, but seeing as how we've had 900 people look at this thread and only 22 full responses (:mad:), I think it's time to move on to part two:
To everyone who decided to chop off the teachers leg, did it occur to you that he might die from the loss of the leg? (If you didn't chop off the teacher's leg, was it because you didn't want to risk his life by removing the leg?)
New posters feel free to answer the previous questions in addition to this one! (And there are about 800 Lurkers out there, this is a perfect thread to break the ice!).
Dave was going to die by walker for sure. It looked like he had tourniquet installed (yeah it was installed wrong and was not going to do anything but maybe it was a magic tourniquet) on his leg so maybe he would not bleed out before we got him back to Kat at home base and would live. That was the plan anyways...but things kinda went awry.
I wasn't worried about that at the time. What mattered the most was getting him away from the walkers.
i shot the bird, chopped the leg, remained neutral, gave axe to mark, sided with lilly, told the cold hard truth about the meal, picked sythe, spared the brothers. looted the car and justified it to clem.
am i bad ?
did i think he might die from losing blood? sure, why not? i actually thought he might die on the spot from the shock of me chopping his leg in three goes. that was brutal. but none of that mattered - the group did not know at the time that everyone is infected, and it does not spread exclusively through bites.
in the meat locker i sided with Kenny. i always have through the two episodes, as i understand his motivations. he was absolutely right at that moment. his wife and son were held hostage by a family of cannibals, while a huge unlikable dude was about to become a zombie. quick decision-making in a zombie apocalypse, remember?
say it was Clem or even Lilly who had a heart attack - fine, we could wait and see if they turn eventually - three unarmed men in the room could probably handle a zombie kid or a chick. but Larry? are you kidding me? there's no way a father and a father-figure (and Lee is certainly that to Clem) could risk a chance like that.