First play through I took two shots at the chain with the axe and when that was a no go I went right for the leg. Sidenote, I was sorta shocked by how gruesome the scene was as it played out on my monitor.
In the meat locker I sided with Lilly and tried to save Larry. As much as I hated Larry from episode 1, I felt like I'd be a complete douche if I didn't try to help him. This is after I mainly tried to side with Kenny or play it sort of in the middle as a voice of reason.
Alright, been getting a lot of partial answers, and I'm thinking that's because people are only reading the OP (even then some aren't giving all the information!). So, now I updated the OP to reflect the other parts of the discussion I have been adding. Keep following and responding!
Now for the next question -- how many of you gave Irene the gun in episode one? Why did or didn't you give it to her?
As for your OP, I tried several ways to free the teacher. I eventually broke down and cut him free. It was practically a death sentence either way. If it was me I would have rather been cut free than be eaten by walkers. Though there was another option I would have preferred if given the opportunity.
I tried to help Larry in the meat locker and there were a few reasons why. I'm pretty ignorant regarding the statistics of saving someones life with CPR, especially considering you can't get any outside medical help. I figured we'd have a little time to at least try before he was changed into a walker. It's never an immediate change. Like the first choice, I would've preferred to handle the situation differently but you don't always get the choice. A humorous side note about this situation was I mainly tried to help because of how awesome Lilly's VA performed in that scene (it made me laugh after the fact, I'm not so sure I would have made the same choice in hindsight). I don't know if it matters but I wasn't one of the people that disliked Larry. I respected his reasoning behind the actions he took regarding Lee.
As for your last question, I opted to give her the gun. I can understand not wanting to be a walker. As with all these scenes though, I would have handled it differently. Once the others went back to the car I would have offered to pull the trigger myself. She seemed like a highly religious person. I understand most look down on suicide and would have given her the option. It sounds cold but I'd hope someone would have shown me the same kindness in the same situation.
I rambled a bit but if you have any other questions let me know! I've been too busy to check this board recently and I'm interested in others reactions to the same situations. The one really cool thing about this game are the discussions it's lead to. The conversations I've seen regarding the St. Johns were a lot of fun.
I did not give Irene the gun. She couldn't have given up like that just yet, even though she knew she was going to turn. If you remember the police officer's words before the car crash, it could relate to Irene: "People will go mad when they believe their life is over".
I refused to give Irene the gun in my first playthrough. Of course I was still floored by how the situation played out but I wasn't ready to give up hope just yet at the time of the decision.
Once the others went back to the car I would have offered to pull the trigger myself. She seemed like a highly religious person. I understand most look down on suicide and would have given her the option. It sounds cold but I'd hope someone would have shown me the same kindness in the same situation.
I've seen this opinion before, and I don't really understand the moral distinction between suicide and mercy-killing in this case. I understand the practical points Rommel made, but if you believe it's morally wrong for Irene to kill herself, how is it less wrong for Lee to kill her because she asked?
I tried to cut the chain a few times, and it didn't work, so I cut his leg off. After all, a slim chance at survival is better than no chance at all.
I sided with Kenny in the meat locker. After a heart attack like that, Larry's chances of survival were extremely slim (I'd honestly say it was less than 1%), especially without medicine. The only way he would have woken up would have been as a zombie.
I gave Irene the gun. If she doesn't want to come back as a zombie, that's her choice, and we shouldn't try to deny her that.
So for those of you who think the worse part of driving an ambulance is what you see. Brain, blood, liver, lung, heart or a combination of those. Its not.
Its the familly sitting behind you when you try to revive a person.
At some point you know its over, but they dont.
Woah.. That's terrible. I've never thought of it that way. That brought a tear to my eye, not even joking.
Back on topic, I've realized that I haven't shared MY answers with everyone yet!:p
When I cut off the teacher's leg, it was pretty clear to me that he was going to die. I don't know what kind of medical care we had, but I was pretty darn sure that we didn't have the kind that could help someone survive being amputated by an axe. Like a lot of people have said, though, it was a preferable death to being eaten alive by the Walkers.
I didn't side with Lilly in the meat locker, but my honest assessment of Larry was that he had less than a ten percent chance of revival. I've also said before that, even SHOULD we save his life, he would have been a serious drag on the group trying to escape from the cannibals (I doubt he would have been conscious).
As for Irene, I didn't give her the gun. Why? Mostly because she was consciously giving up on herself. I wouldn't want to become a Walker, either, but I would at least have wanted enough time to know without a doubt that I was going to die. We could have taken her in and cared for her until we were certain that she was dying, and then mercy killed her (and we probably could have found something in the pharmacy to knock her out before hand, so she wouldn't have even known!). I didn't buy the shtick that Larry was pushing, that being bitten meant that you automatically turned in a few seconds. That, and like a lot of people said, why would I give a gun to a crazy woman? I would at least have liked an option to kill her myself.
I cut off the teacher's leg as soon as I gained control of Lee. I had seen/read enough zombie fiction to know this was the only way out for him. I never really DID think about him bleeding out though, so I kind of felt bad back at camp when he died.
In the meat locker I sided with Kenny. Even though they both had good points, I was torn and sided with Kenny at the last inute only because my cursor was closer to him.
I gave Irene the gun because she didn't want to become a zombie. I agreed that it would be more merciful and I couldn't let anyone suffer like that, knowing they were transforming into a flesh eating, unfeeling monster.
As for Irene, I didn't give her the gun. Why? Mostly because she was consciously giving up on herself. I wouldn't want to become a Walker, either, but I would at least have wanted enough time to know without a doubt that I was going to die. We could have taken her in and cared for her until we were certain that she was dying, and then mercy killed her (and we probably could have found something in the pharmacy to knock her out before hand, so she wouldn't have even known!). I didn't buy the shtick that Larry was pushing, that being bitten meant that you automatically turned in a few seconds. That, and like a lot of people said, why would I give a gun to a crazy woman? I would at least have liked an option to kill her myself.
being bit = zombie, not in a few seconds but it will happen (is how i understand it), personally if i was bitten i would leave the group and allow myself to turn into a zombie, mainly out of curiosity but also because i would never kill myself, however i believe in certain extreme cases (not depression) people should be allowed to take their own life or have help to die
Okay, I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of people who answered about giving Irene the gun. These are the final questions for now (we'll see how many life/death choices we get to make in episode 3!) :
Did you kill one or both of the brothers? Would you have let Brenda live if there was a way to get the gun from her without her getting "nabbed"?
Okay, I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of people who answered about giving Irene the gun. These are the final questions for now (we'll see how many life/death choices we get to make in episode 3!) :
Did you kill one or both of the brothers? Would you have let Brenda live if there was a way to get the gun from her without her getting "nabbed"?
I did not kill any of the St. Johns. I couldn't kill Danny because he had been hurt by me and Lilly, as well as stepping in the bear trap. He wasn't going anywhere. As for Andy, he wanted Lee to finish him off. He had pretty much given up on life, so why not let him get a taste of his own medicine and get eaten by the zombies? With all the gunshots, the zombies were bound to appear sooner or later. I also would have let Brenda live. She couldn't kill anybody. She needed Katjaa alive and she just couldn't kill Lee (only if he doesn't choose a threatening option).
I killed the first. I think it fit the character's past. Someone pushes him too far and he kills them. But it's only crimes of passions. By the time the last brother was on the ground crying, I figured Lee had calmed down and would be a nice guy again.
If you're tracking my choices, I like to play Lee as a guy slightly in over his head prone to kicking too much ass to get results. He'll be shocked that someone would want to kill themselves, but stab some smug fucker with a pitchfork if he needs to.
Wow, Kenny supporters are turning out to be a ruthless bunch of people! Every single person who has supported Kenny in the locker (a total of 14 people) cut off the band teachers leg and was successful in freeing him from the trap before the Walker's closed in on the group.
Kenny supporters are also closing in on Lilly Supporters, as now out of 33 complete answers, Lilly has only 19 supporters to Kenny's 14.
As far as whether they thought the Band Teacher was a goner or not - a majority (6 out of 8 people, oh the numbers are so outstanding!) of those who have answered have said that it didn't matter to them if he died later - most saying because they felt that he didn't deserve to be left behind to the Walkers.
Now a question to all of the Lilly supporters out there:
What was your honest assessment of Larry's condition at the time you decided to help Lilly? What did you think was his chance of revival (if you had to put a percentage on it)?
Also, remember that these are according to your first playthrough! A lot of us have been here on the forums and have read what TTG have said about the "breath" scene, but I want an idea of what you thought and how you reacted BEFORE you were influenced by what anyone else had said.:D
My medical background is limited. I know first aid and CPR. When Larry collapsed for the second time (remember his first collapse, that Lee observed, was at the pharmacy) I thought Larry had a similar episode and would be okay (just like at the pharmacy since he stabilized even without his pills) up until Lilly called for help.
Once we began CPR I put his revival at 25%. His chance of revival would have been higher if Kat was present.
in real life larry would have approx 4 minutes to live with out brain damage.
so the only failure on this scene is no one gave larry mouth to mouth. yes his heart 'stopped' but no one checked his breathing..
so some could argue if his heart started again he'd wake up but he would of been deprived of oxygen for most of the 4 mins so it's a bit of a 5050 he could live or turn..
cos we aren't sure of how quick the virus takes over
Okay, I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of people who answered about giving Irene the gun. These are the final questions for now (we'll see how many life/death choices we get to make in episode 3!) :
Did you kill one or both of the brothers? Would you have let Brenda live if there was a way to get the gun from her without her getting "nabbed"?
I killed both brothers. I would not have let Brenda live. Keep in mind that these running dogs murdered Mark a member of my group and friend. Then they served up his legs with potatoes and gravy. Let the punishment fit the crime.
I did not give the gun to Irene. I'm okay with people wanting to "opt-out" of a ZA. They just need to do it quietly. That mission was going fairly well because we were using stealth. I wanted to avoid any loud noises like a gunshot.
in real life larry would have approx 4 minutes to live with out brain damage.
so the only failure on this scene is no one gave larry mouth to mouth. yes his heart 'stopped' but no one checked his breathing..
so some could argue if his heart started again he'd wake up but he would of been deprived of oxygen for most of the 4 mins so it's a bit of a 5050 he could live or turn..
cos we aren't sure of how quick the virus takes over
I was able to get in 4 chest compressions before his head went splat. Had we been able to continue CPR, Lee would continue with the compressions and Lilly can do the rescue breathing...who says chivalry is dead.
In my first playthrough I chopped off the teacher's leg almost right away because it was the first thing I saw that I could interact with - I didn't even realize you could swing at anything else. But I would have taken the leg anyway. I knew he would probably bleed out when I did it, but any chance at survival is better than none and he directly asked me to do anything to get him out. I think someone should have thought to tie a tourniquet around his upper leg first, but couldn't figure out if there was an option to do it.
I didn't side with Lily or Kenny in the meat locker. I hate both of them (well, I hate Kenny by association with his retarded devil-spawn, Duck) and didn't want to do anything that would result in their being grateful to me. I think Kenny was in the right, but I could not agree with him. Larry was obviously dead at that point - I felt he had a 0% chance of returning and Lily was simply being selfish by not giving her consent.
In episode 1 I gave Irene the gun. The reasoning here being that taking another human life is wrong in all cases except in taking your own. Since I could not kill her and she wanted to die I let her take her own life. It was actually NOT a smart idea to give her the gun, though, as people who are about to commit suicide become untethered from traditional morality and it was possible she could have turned the gun on others first.
I killed both brothers because both were guilty of the same crimes and deserved equal treatment. It's hard to call it justice without a society to protect but the notion that murderers should be met with equal punishment still clung to me.
In my first playthrough I chopped off the teacher's leg almost right away because it was the first thing I saw that I could interact with - I didn't even realize you could swing at anything else. But I would have taken the leg anyway. I knew he would probably bleed out when I did it, but any chance at survival is better than none and he directly asked me to do anything to get him out. I think someone should have thought to tie a tourniquet around his upper leg first, but couldn't figure out if there was an option to do it.
I didn't side with Lily or Kenny in the meat locker. I hate both of them (well, I hate Kenny by association with his retarded devil-spawn, Duck) and didn't want to do anything that would result in their being grateful to me. I think Kenny was in the right, but I could not agree with him. Larry was obviously dead at that point - I felt he had a 0% chance of returning and Lily was simply being selfish by not giving her consent.
In episode 1 I gave Irene the gun. The reasoning here being that taking another human life is wrong in all cases except in taking your own. Since I could not kill her and she wanted to die I let her take her own life. It was actually NOT a smart idea to give her the gun, though, as people who are about to commit suicide become untethered from traditional morality and it was possible she could have turned the gun on others first.
I killed both brothers because both were guilty of the same crimes and deserved equal treatment. It's hard to call it justice without a society to protect but the notion that murderers should be met with equal punishment still clung to me.
I felt the same way as you with chopping off the teacher's leg. This is TWD, how else are you supposed to get him out of the bear trap?:rolleyes:
I was with Larry in the meat locker and chopped the leg off after some alternatives.
But yeah, I thought that this is totally unrealistic. If you cut off somebody's leg that person dies from bloodloss in less than minutes unless you stop the bleeding (I'm not a doctor). I figured he was pretty much dead anyway and being a new character who I had no ties with, it wasn't a big deal. I realise that he was meant to die.
He seemed like cannon fodder for the plot. Maybe they could have had the teacher tell a touching story before they went off, so that I would have cared a little more.
He seemed like cannon fodder for the plot. Maybe they could have had the teacher tell a touching story before they went off, so that I would have cared a little more.
"I was about to retire! Look at these pictures of my wife! Tell Scarlet I DO give a damn!"
No, that's a horrible idea. If someone's pointless, get them offscreen without any hackneyed tricks.
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In the meat locker I sided with Lilly and tried to save Larry. As much as I hated Larry from episode 1, I felt like I'd be a complete douche if I didn't try to help him. This is after I mainly tried to side with Kenny or play it sort of in the middle as a voice of reason.
As for your OP, I tried several ways to free the teacher. I eventually broke down and cut him free. It was practically a death sentence either way. If it was me I would have rather been cut free than be eaten by walkers. Though there was another option I would have preferred if given the opportunity.
I tried to help Larry in the meat locker and there were a few reasons why. I'm pretty ignorant regarding the statistics of saving someones life with CPR, especially considering you can't get any outside medical help. I figured we'd have a little time to at least try before he was changed into a walker. It's never an immediate change. Like the first choice, I would've preferred to handle the situation differently but you don't always get the choice. A humorous side note about this situation was I mainly tried to help because of how awesome Lilly's VA performed in that scene (it made me laugh after the fact, I'm not so sure I would have made the same choice in hindsight). I don't know if it matters but I wasn't one of the people that disliked Larry. I respected his reasoning behind the actions he took regarding Lee.
As for your last question, I opted to give her the gun. I can understand not wanting to be a walker. As with all these scenes though, I would have handled it differently. Once the others went back to the car I would have offered to pull the trigger myself. She seemed like a highly religious person. I understand most look down on suicide and would have given her the option. It sounds cold but I'd hope someone would have shown me the same kindness in the same situation.
I rambled a bit but if you have any other questions let me know! I've been too busy to check this board recently and I'm interested in others reactions to the same situations. The one really cool thing about this game are the discussions it's lead to. The conversations I've seen regarding the St. Johns were a lot of fun.
I've seen this opinion before, and I don't really understand the moral distinction between suicide and mercy-killing in this case. I understand the practical points Rommel made, but if you believe it's morally wrong for Irene to kill herself, how is it less wrong for Lee to kill her because she asked?
I sided with Kenny in the meat locker. After a heart attack like that, Larry's chances of survival were extremely slim (I'd honestly say it was less than 1%), especially without medicine. The only way he would have woken up would have been as a zombie.
I gave Irene the gun. If she doesn't want to come back as a zombie, that's her choice, and we shouldn't try to deny her that.
Woah.. That's terrible. I've never thought of it that way. That brought a tear to my eye, not even joking.
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*presses x* You've got to let it go...
Back on topic, I've realized that I haven't shared MY answers with everyone yet!:p
When I cut off the teacher's leg, it was pretty clear to me that he was going to die. I don't know what kind of medical care we had, but I was pretty darn sure that we didn't have the kind that could help someone survive being amputated by an axe. Like a lot of people have said, though, it was a preferable death to being eaten alive by the Walkers.
I didn't side with Lilly in the meat locker, but my honest assessment of Larry was that he had less than a ten percent chance of revival. I've also said before that, even SHOULD we save his life, he would have been a serious drag on the group trying to escape from the cannibals (I doubt he would have been conscious).
As for Irene, I didn't give her the gun. Why? Mostly because she was consciously giving up on herself. I wouldn't want to become a Walker, either, but I would at least have wanted enough time to know without a doubt that I was going to die. We could have taken her in and cared for her until we were certain that she was dying, and then mercy killed her (and we probably could have found something in the pharmacy to knock her out before hand, so she wouldn't have even known!). I didn't buy the shtick that Larry was pushing, that being bitten meant that you automatically turned in a few seconds. That, and like a lot of people said, why would I give a gun to a crazy woman? I would at least have liked an option to kill her myself.
In the meat locker I sided with Kenny. Even though they both had good points, I was torn and sided with Kenny at the last inute only because my cursor was closer to him.
I gave Irene the gun because she didn't want to become a zombie. I agreed that it would be more merciful and I couldn't let anyone suffer like that, knowing they were transforming into a flesh eating, unfeeling monster.
being bit = zombie, not in a few seconds but it will happen (is how i understand it), personally if i was bitten i would leave the group and allow myself to turn into a zombie, mainly out of curiosity but also because i would never kill myself, however i believe in certain extreme cases (not depression) people should be allowed to take their own life or have help to die
Did you kill one or both of the brothers? Would you have let Brenda live if there was a way to get the gun from her without her getting "nabbed"?
I did not kill any of the St. Johns. I couldn't kill Danny because he had been hurt by me and Lilly, as well as stepping in the bear trap. He wasn't going anywhere. As for Andy, he wanted Lee to finish him off. He had pretty much given up on life, so why not let him get a taste of his own medicine and get eaten by the zombies? With all the gunshots, the zombies were bound to appear sooner or later. I also would have let Brenda live. She couldn't kill anybody. She needed Katjaa alive and she just couldn't kill Lee (only if he doesn't choose a threatening option).
If you're tracking my choices, I like to play Lee as a guy slightly in over his head prone to kicking too much ass to get results. He'll be shocked that someone would want to kill themselves, but stab some smug fucker with a pitchfork if he needs to.
My medical background is limited. I know first aid and CPR. When Larry collapsed for the second time (remember his first collapse, that Lee observed, was at the pharmacy) I thought Larry had a similar episode and would be okay (just like at the pharmacy since he stabilized even without his pills) up until Lilly called for help.
Once we began CPR I put his revival at 25%. His chance of revival would have been higher if Kat was present.
so the only failure on this scene is no one gave larry mouth to mouth. yes his heart 'stopped' but no one checked his breathing..
so some could argue if his heart started again he'd wake up but he would of been deprived of oxygen for most of the 4 mins so it's a bit of a 5050 he could live or turn..
cos we aren't sure of how quick the virus takes over
I killed both brothers. I would not have let Brenda live. Keep in mind that these running dogs murdered Mark a member of my group and friend. Then they served up his legs with potatoes and gravy. Let the punishment fit the crime.
I did not give the gun to Irene. I'm okay with people wanting to "opt-out" of a ZA. They just need to do it quietly. That mission was going fairly well because we were using stealth. I wanted to avoid any loud noises like a gunshot.
I was able to get in 4 chest compressions before his head went splat. Had we been able to continue CPR, Lee would continue with the compressions and Lilly can do the rescue breathing...who says chivalry is dead.
I didn't side with Lily or Kenny in the meat locker. I hate both of them (well, I hate Kenny by association with his retarded devil-spawn, Duck) and didn't want to do anything that would result in their being grateful to me. I think Kenny was in the right, but I could not agree with him. Larry was obviously dead at that point - I felt he had a 0% chance of returning and Lily was simply being selfish by not giving her consent.
In episode 1 I gave Irene the gun. The reasoning here being that taking another human life is wrong in all cases except in taking your own. Since I could not kill her and she wanted to die I let her take her own life. It was actually NOT a smart idea to give her the gun, though, as people who are about to commit suicide become untethered from traditional morality and it was possible she could have turned the gun on others first.
I killed both brothers because both were guilty of the same crimes and deserved equal treatment. It's hard to call it justice without a society to protect but the notion that murderers should be met with equal punishment still clung to me.
I felt the same way as you with chopping off the teacher's leg. This is TWD, how else are you supposed to get him out of the bear trap?:rolleyes:
But yeah, I thought that this is totally unrealistic. If you cut off somebody's leg that person dies from bloodloss in less than minutes unless you stop the bleeding (I'm not a doctor). I figured he was pretty much dead anyway and being a new character who I had no ties with, it wasn't a big deal. I realise that he was meant to die.
He seemed like cannon fodder for the plot. Maybe they could have had the teacher tell a touching story before they went off, so that I would have cared a little more.
"I was about to retire! Look at these pictures of my wife! Tell Scarlet I DO give a damn!"
No, that's a horrible idea. If someone's pointless, get them offscreen without any hackneyed tricks.